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ukraine ukraine what partisan hacks in biased media won't tell you is why ukraine has become part of america's political drama you'll only hear it here on crossfire. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest dmitri bobbitt she's a political analyst and editor at innocent me internet media project and in london we crossed alexander material he is a writer on legal affairs as well as the editor in chief of the duran dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate alexander let me go to you in london i'm so pleased to have you in on the program here just the 2 of you because it gives you more time to talk about a story that is much more complex and longer than audiences in the west are being given by the mainstream media everyone is talking about the 2016 election well i would go a little bit further back and the very least i'd go back to 2014 would be illegal overthrow of a democratically elected government with the support of the e.u. and the united states now the predicate of all of this the larger th
ukraine ukraine what partisan hacks in biased media won't tell you is why ukraine has become part of america's political drama you'll only hear it here on crossfire. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest dmitri bobbitt she's a political analyst and editor at innocent me internet media project and in london we crossed alexander material he is a writer on legal affairs as well as the editor in chief of the duran dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you...
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but it wasn't quite so simple for ukraine the truth is ukraine has never been a united country. when world war 2 broke out a large part of western ukraine's population welcomed the german soldiers as liberators from the recently forced upon them soviet rule and openly collaborated with the germans. the real scale of collaboration was not announced for many years after the war but we now know that whole divisions and battalions were formed by ukrainian collaborators such as s.s. c. and not to go and roll into battalions. just in the beginning of the war more than $80000.00 people from college cina region voluntarily enrolled into division s.s. galad seen in a month and a half notorious for their extreme cruelty towards the polish jewish and russian people on the territory of ukraine. members of these military groups came mostly from the organization of ukrainian nationalists b o un founded in 1929 this organization had an ultimate goal of creating an ethnically pure independent ukraine and considered terror an acceptable tool for achieving their ends their official flag was black
but it wasn't quite so simple for ukraine the truth is ukraine has never been a united country. when world war 2 broke out a large part of western ukraine's population welcomed the german soldiers as liberators from the recently forced upon them soviet rule and openly collaborated with the germans. the real scale of collaboration was not announced for many years after the war but we now know that whole divisions and battalions were formed by ukrainian collaborators such as s.s. c. and not to go...
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in ukraine gate. and we're going to be a mother we had great people paul martin for good point you know when we crossed arad scandalous articles about him in the washington post by and have a warm august basically they all forgot to mention that he didn't do anything in russia he did everything he knew graeme and so did the d n c and he was i'm sorrier but at least he walked on his specialty he was a political consultant he got millions for that but the bidens look millions for something he didn't understand here showing him because his father's name but he was his father son he didn't understand anything in their street or in energy where did you come to buy them get education in energy star gets you know so the 4th story isn't what i'm going to run into and break from what i understand. knew a lot about pharmaceuticals if you know what i mean we're going to go to a short break here and after a short break we'll continue our discussion and some real news stay with our team. live. oh. please. please.
in ukraine gate. and we're going to be a mother we had great people paul martin for good point you know when we crossed arad scandalous articles about him in the washington post by and have a warm august basically they all forgot to mention that he didn't do anything in russia he did everything he knew graeme and so did the d n c and he was i'm sorrier but at least he walked on his specialty he was a political consultant he got millions for that but the bidens look millions for something he...
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william taylor is an expert on ukraine. he served as george w. bush's ambassador to ukraine. and after donald trump forced out marie yovanovitch as ambassador, william taylor is serving as acting ambassador to ukraine. he testified for ten hours today under oath about what rudy giuliani and donald trump have been doing with ukraine, yes, william taylor delivered testimony devastating to president trump. one freshman member of the committee hearing his testimony today said after the first couple hours of william taylor's testimony that it was, quote, my most disturbing day in congress so far. that congressman will join us in a moment. william taylor's testimony could make the impeachment of donald trump bipartisan. his testimony could turn some republican votes in the house of representatives and it might be the testimony that convinces republican senator mitt romney to vote to convict and remove donald trump from office. donald trump's very rich and totally incompetent and unqualified ambassador to the european union, gordon sondland, could face perjury charges after william
william taylor is an expert on ukraine. he served as george w. bush's ambassador to ukraine. and after donald trump forced out marie yovanovitch as ambassador, william taylor is serving as acting ambassador to ukraine. he testified for ten hours today under oath about what rudy giuliani and donald trump have been doing with ukraine, yes, william taylor delivered testimony devastating to president trump. one freshman member of the committee hearing his testimony today said after the first couple...
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here for example as ukraine's national and t. corruption bureau chief sit nick recorded bragging about how he helped hillary clinton during the 2016 election. not trump but hillary i help to hillary belongs to the co-hosts of politicians who comprise the her germany in the us both in the us and in the entire world for runs that is sort of better oh you could definitely film sensitive 3 with these guys but the audio is real confirmed by ukraine's attorney general it was mr sit nick by the way who published dirt on trump's campaign manager in 2016 in the real last anyway but the fellow tried so what if you don't have guns to sell or elections to win what if for example daddy wants to get in. is young boy a nice cushy job where he didn't have to do much well ukraine's the help booth john biden's son and john kerry's stepson landed executive jobs at the ukrainian energy company now strap yourself in hunter biden earned $50000.00 a month 50000 in a country where the average wage is a few $100.00 and you know what in the weird and wack
here for example as ukraine's national and t. corruption bureau chief sit nick recorded bragging about how he helped hillary clinton during the 2016 election. not trump but hillary i help to hillary belongs to the co-hosts of politicians who comprise the her germany in the us both in the us and in the entire world for runs that is sort of better oh you could definitely film sensitive 3 with these guys but the audio is real confirmed by ukraine's attorney general it was mr sit nick by the way...
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and issues of corruption in ukraine. that was all we discussed. the simple truth is that those are the same issues that the president raised with president zelensky in their call. anyone who looks at the president's transcript will see that the president was raising issues that were appropriate, that were of genuine interest to the american people. >> greg miller is national security correspondent to "the washington post" i'm such a fan of all your reporting but this story jumps off the page, how is it going to land with the guy in the office with no corners? it seemed to me that pence did a little bit of dancing today. >> yeah, i mean, i think he's in a tough spot. he has so far in this presidency walked this tightrope where he sort of is supporting the president at every step but simultaneously keeping some distance away from him, enough distance that he hasn't been terribly tainted by all these scandals. i think in our story today we were trying to write about just how difficult it is to kind of accept that assertion
and issues of corruption in ukraine. that was all we discussed. the simple truth is that those are the same issues that the president raised with president zelensky in their call. anyone who looks at the president's transcript will see that the president was raising issues that were appropriate, that were of genuine interest to the american people. >> greg miller is national security correspondent to "the washington post" i'm such a fan of all your reporting but this story jumps...
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nancy pelosi took money from ukraine lobbyists. they have no problem with it when it salacious of their campaign and jobs for their benefit when asking ukraine for dirt and when it's funding a dossier to bring trump down. in any case, elected leaders always wear their government hat and that of a politician. every conversation, every meeting there thinking about politics. the idea that donald trump can make an abuse of power is a joke. they all do it. i thought myself with president obama and david cameron. today, the impeachment fanatics recite dirt on the protocol arrival but with ukraine and biden it's not just any rival. if he was asking them to look for andrew yang who worked on one of his startups that would be different. we will laid out for you in detail in tonight swamp watch. is the former vice president and his family acted correctly in another country. [inaudible] the reason there so up in arms about it is that it's exposing a central feature of their swampy business model. what's not okay is using government policy and
nancy pelosi took money from ukraine lobbyists. they have no problem with it when it salacious of their campaign and jobs for their benefit when asking ukraine for dirt and when it's funding a dossier to bring trump down. in any case, elected leaders always wear their government hat and that of a politician. every conversation, every meeting there thinking about politics. the idea that donald trump can make an abuse of power is a joke. they all do it. i thought myself with president obama and...
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a secure and prosperous and democratic ukraine. starts in a city in the world it will slowly new democracy just go to. the with. some of them but obviously the funds had to keep coming and the conflict had to keep going again. and more bloody and deadly. so mayst. as parties from both sides were using more sophisticated and lethal weapons. that's why do you. want. us. to do. you know. the world seemed too busy welcoming this new democracy in kiev. to notice what was being done as it spread its wings over the country. many in southern ukraine had been viewing the revolution with concern. and an anti mind on movement formed in the city of odessa in early january 2014 the protesters set up their camp in front of the trade union house a building which would soon become a monument to a massacre of its own it's difficult to overestimate the importance of odessa it is strategically located on the black sea and it's ukraine's largest seaport it's not surprising that ukraine's new authorities were watching the situation unfolding there with
a secure and prosperous and democratic ukraine. starts in a city in the world it will slowly new democracy just go to. the with. some of them but obviously the funds had to keep coming and the conflict had to keep going again. and more bloody and deadly. so mayst. as parties from both sides were using more sophisticated and lethal weapons. that's why do you. want. us. to do. you know. the world seemed too busy welcoming this new democracy in kiev. to notice what was being done as it spread its...
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policy towards ukraine since ukraine's independent from the soviet union has been fairly consistent in pushing ukraine on anticorruption reform. that's been one of the corner stones of u.s. messaging in ukraine for decades, and that's been fairly consistent, both under barack obama and under president trump, and you know, under the obama administration this was very much carried by his ambassadors to ukraine who have long played a strong role in kiev in working with politicians there to try and convey the message of, look, you need to clean up corruption. >> what was then vice president joe biden's role? >> so joe biden was obama's point person in ukraine, and he really carried that message for the president. he also oversaw the u.s. response -- perhaps not the u.s. response but the u.s. messaging when it came to conflict in ukraine, the russian annexation of crimea, it was 2014 where you had russia lops off a chunk of ukraine, annexes crimea and then the war begins in eastern ukraine in the spring of that year. it was the first hot war in the region in an extremely long time, and you
policy towards ukraine since ukraine's independent from the soviet union has been fairly consistent in pushing ukraine on anticorruption reform. that's been one of the corner stones of u.s. messaging in ukraine for decades, and that's been fairly consistent, both under barack obama and under president trump, and you know, under the obama administration this was very much carried by his ambassadors to ukraine who have long played a strong role in kiev in working with politicians there to try and...
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so i got ukraine. and i remember going over, convincing our team, others to convince that we should be providing for loan guarantees. i went over i guess the 12, 13th time to kiev and i was supposed to announce that there's another $1 billion loan guarantee. i had gotten a commitment from porshenchingo and from yatsen that they would take action against the state prosecutor, and they didn't. so they said they were walking out and said, i'm not going to -- we're not going to give you the billion dollars. they said you have no authority. you're not the president. the president said. i said call him. i said i'm telling you you're not getting the $1 billion. i'm going to be leaving here, i think it was six hours, i'm leaving in six hours. if the prosecutor is not fired you're not getting the money. well, son of a --, he got fired. and they put in place someone who was solid. at the time. well, still so they made some genuine substantial changes institutionly and with people. but one of the three institutio
so i got ukraine. and i remember going over, convincing our team, others to convince that we should be providing for loan guarantees. i went over i guess the 12, 13th time to kiev and i was supposed to announce that there's another $1 billion loan guarantee. i had gotten a commitment from porshenchingo and from yatsen that they would take action against the state prosecutor, and they didn't. so they said they were walking out and said, i'm not going to -- we're not going to give you the billion...
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of ukraine. "the washington post" reported, for example, that it a former senior administration official who were people he discussed the issue with president trump said that the president thought "what we were doing in ukraine was pointless and just aggravating the russians." the official went on to say the president position basically is we should recognize the fact that the russians should be our friend, and who cares about the ukrainians? times" had a similar report, saying that president trump has had harsh words about ukraine, and they are terrible people, he is quoted as having said. they are all corrupt and they try to take me down. and it is this sense where the president and his personal attorney have been arguing that, in fact, it was ukrainian collusion with the democrats and the clinton campaign, not russian collusion with the trump campaign that should be the focus of investigation. in addition, mr. giuliani has been trying to push for further vista geisha and of former vice preside
of ukraine. "the washington post" reported, for example, that it a former senior administration official who were people he discussed the issue with president trump said that the president thought "what we were doing in ukraine was pointless and just aggravating the russians." the official went on to say the president position basically is we should recognize the fact that the russians should be our friend, and who cares about the ukrainians? times" had a similar...
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with the ukraine. it would appear the trump administration has been trying to make headway on that front for russia too. "the new york times" made kind of an offhand reference to that this weekend when they reported that president trump has, quote, quietly been urging a deal that would pave the way for a removal of western sanctions on moscow over their ongoing conflict in ukraine. obviously the removal of those western sanctions is, quote, long a goal of president putin's. president trump himself said as much back in august when he was asked whether or not he planned to invite the ukrainian president to the white house. he said at the time, quote, i think he's going to make a deal with president putin and he will be invited to the white house. meaning, yeah, i would like ukraine and russia to make a deal, i would like the ukrainian president to go make a deal with vladimir putin. then that guy can come to the white house. why does the u.s. president want ukraine to make a deal with russia over russia
with the ukraine. it would appear the trump administration has been trying to make headway on that front for russia too. "the new york times" made kind of an offhand reference to that this weekend when they reported that president trump has, quote, quietly been urging a deal that would pave the way for a removal of western sanctions on moscow over their ongoing conflict in ukraine. obviously the removal of those western sanctions is, quote, long a goal of president putin's. president...
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reporter your top diplomat in : ukraine said you held up military funds because you wanted ukraine to investigate the 2016 election and hunter biden's debt. are you calling him a liar? president trump: here is the problem. he is a never trumper and his lawyer is a never trumper. reporter: why would you hire him? president trump: everybody makes mistakes. mike pompeo, everybody makes mistakes. he is a never trumper, his lawyer is a never trumper, they are a dying breed and they are still there. the other problem, you are with cnn and you are fake news. reporter: [inaudible] president trump: well, the democrats don't have any time to work on anything. they have to do usmca, they have to do guns, they have many things. we want to reduce drug prices even more. we can go so far but we can work on drug prices. the democrats, the do-nothing democrats have no time to do it. reporter: [inaudible] president trump: which one? we have a great republican plan and if we take over the house, which we should, especially because of what they are doing impeachments, i think we will take over the house
reporter your top diplomat in : ukraine said you held up military funds because you wanted ukraine to investigate the 2016 election and hunter biden's debt. are you calling him a liar? president trump: here is the problem. he is a never trumper and his lawyer is a never trumper. reporter: why would you hire him? president trump: everybody makes mistakes. mike pompeo, everybody makes mistakes. he is a never trumper, his lawyer is a never trumper, they are a dying breed and they are still there....
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western oriented ukraine and those who i would call it pro russian ukraine i would say a truly independent ukraine having an autonomous its own vision of its own foreign policy and you can about i mean. we have to get away from this false dichotomy. but these protesters and forces have a very tenuous relationship with the west because it's all about what is the west doing for ukraine which is at the forefront at the the ball work and he russian. and he russian policy to the extent that the west and i think it's clear is not going to support that kind of long term anti what the russian initiative these forces in western ukraine are going to be disillusioned with the west and one already sees this in. the statements of current members of parliament for example that maybe we should rename the party servant of the people which is their dance party into servant of the i.m.f. because the i.m.f. really has us by the throat and is never going to let go and this is just one example of the of the true attitude of the west toward the would be but you know we would have predict we predicted this long
western oriented ukraine and those who i would call it pro russian ukraine i would say a truly independent ukraine having an autonomous its own vision of its own foreign policy and you can about i mean. we have to get away from this false dichotomy. but these protesters and forces have a very tenuous relationship with the west because it's all about what is the west doing for ukraine which is at the forefront at the the ball work and he russian. and he russian policy to the extent that the west...
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involving ukraine and joe biden. >> did you ask the ukraine to investigate joe biden? >> no. >> you're not going to intimidate me. i actually found facts that are true. >> shut up, moron, shut up -- >> just be careful about what you say. i asked you did you look at joe biden? >> you don't know what you're talking about, idiot. >> let me finish. >> keep your lying mouth shut. >> you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden? >> of course i did. >> you just said you didn't. >> giuliani's theory was based on one fact, that biden, as vice president, had used his authority to push for the removal of ukraine's prosecutor general, victor shokin. but giuliani went on to claim that biden got rid of shokin in order to protect his own son, hunter, and the burisma energy company. >> when giuliani says that vice president biden removed shokin to protect his son, hunter biden? is he right? >> it's [ bleep ]. from first word to the last word. >> did people here in ukraine, investigators like yourself, anti-corruption activists, think that shokin was doing a good job that he was effectiv
involving ukraine and joe biden. >> did you ask the ukraine to investigate joe biden? >> no. >> you're not going to intimidate me. i actually found facts that are true. >> shut up, moron, shut up -- >> just be careful about what you say. i asked you did you look at joe biden? >> you don't know what you're talking about, idiot. >> let me finish. >> keep your lying mouth shut. >> you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden? >> of course i...
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this issue with ukraine is not new. we are seeing a spike right now, certainly, because of the impeachment inquiry, but give us a little bit of the background and why did it take the impeachment inquiry why, did it take this instance, this time around, to get this sort of attention right now. >> what is interesting to me is right now we're really learning the value of a whistle-blower. and this potential second whistle-blower. because we have known some of the details of this case for a long time. since may. when the times began reporting about how the president and rudy giuliani were interested in the ukraine, for political reasons. but it really didn't break until we saw this whistle-blower. what i think is so interesting is what we're seeing in this particular moment is just how much faith all of us journalists, included, have in our institutions and what they tell us, because we had all of the evidence, but it took someone raising their hand and saying, listen, this isn't right, for all of us to shift our perspectiv
this issue with ukraine is not new. we are seeing a spike right now, certainly, because of the impeachment inquiry, but give us a little bit of the background and why did it take the impeachment inquiry why, did it take this instance, this time around, to get this sort of attention right now. >> what is interesting to me is right now we're really learning the value of a whistle-blower. and this potential second whistle-blower. because we have known some of the details of this case for a...
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to ukraine. then we take you to wednesday, the 23rd. phillip reeker and office of michael duffy, those two were set to be deposed. let's header for you. we have deputy assistant secretary of defense, laura cooper whose testimony was posted from friday along with national security council director of european union affairs, alexander vindman. and then on friday for you, october 25th, foreign service officer in kiev and the top russia adviser for the national security council, timothy morrisson, both of them. 12 subpoenas issued so far, eight have not been complied to. those include secretary of state mike pompeo and president trump's personally lawyer, rudy giuliani. joining us now, msnbc contributor charlie savage. counselor to the house judiciary committee, attorney michael conway. democratic strategist and form executive director of the new york state democratic party, basil smikle, and noelle nick pour. take your pick of all those coming to the hill to be deposed. who do you think will be the
to ukraine. then we take you to wednesday, the 23rd. phillip reeker and office of michael duffy, those two were set to be deposed. let's header for you. we have deputy assistant secretary of defense, laura cooper whose testimony was posted from friday along with national security council director of european union affairs, alexander vindman. and then on friday for you, october 25th, foreign service officer in kiev and the top russia adviser for the national security council, timothy morrisson,...
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ukraine said no pressure. joining me now, a woman who served in the clinton administration, special adviser to samuel berger and she was under secretary of state -- sorry, she was formerly the undersecretary of state in public affairs during the obama administration. and cynthia alksne, a legal analyst for msnbc. the president says read the transcript. not really a transcript, but a memo of the phone call and it will prove that the ukrainian president said no pressure. just to be clear because donald trump can sometimes be confusing about these things, nowhere in the transcript is that the case. the ukrainian president has subsequently said including again today to one of our reporters that there was no pressure but that -- but if you just read the transcript you would not come away with that conclusion. >> and it doesn't matter. he has no choice but to say because his country is dependent on us, but the abuse of power doesn't have to do with what zelenskiy thought, but it was the abusing of the american power
ukraine said no pressure. joining me now, a woman who served in the clinton administration, special adviser to samuel berger and she was under secretary of state -- sorry, she was formerly the undersecretary of state in public affairs during the obama administration. and cynthia alksne, a legal analyst for msnbc. the president says read the transcript. not really a transcript, but a memo of the phone call and it will prove that the ukrainian president said no pressure. just to be clear because...
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and people related to the ukraine -- related to ukraine inside of the government. and he was asking the white house at different points to work with him on those issues. he sat with vice president pence in warsaw in september as he met with president zelensky. so he has been involved. that's the challenge when you talk to white house advisers tonight. they say rudy giuliani is out there on a limb with these associates doing his own investigation without any kind of approval from the government. that's at least formal approval. and then you have secretary perry with his energy issues and his friends in the energy business. and they're not really sure what's going to happen next. and that's why congress is seeking those documents. >> again, absent an announcement by the cabinet secretary, there were reports of his pending departure right around the time the ukraine story broke. now robert, it occurs to us that robert mueller didn't have this luxury. the luxury of air support on a given charge where people from inside came forward and said yeah, i was there. it was aw
and people related to the ukraine -- related to ukraine inside of the government. and he was asking the white house at different points to work with him on those issues. he sat with vice president pence in warsaw in september as he met with president zelensky. so he has been involved. that's the challenge when you talk to white house advisers tonight. they say rudy giuliani is out there on a limb with these associates doing his own investigation without any kind of approval from the government....
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the presidents communications with ukraine's president. zelensky said there was no pressure. his words were no one published. a clear reading of the transcript shows there was no quid pro quo in the president's call. the american people should read the transcript. and they do well to do that. the chairman of the intelligence committee manufactured a version of the transcript and read it into the record. we also see the chairman of the committee misrepresented his context with the missile blower -- with the whistleblower and repeated interviews. the american people need to look no further than the plain reading of the transcript. there was no pressure, no quid our focus was entirely on the president's desire to see europe contribute more to ukraine security and sovereignty and to see president zelensky make good on his own election commitment to pass significant corruption reforms in ukraine. we have been pleased with the progress he has made on that front. we are pleased the aid that we provided is continuing to provide security assistance
the presidents communications with ukraine's president. zelensky said there was no pressure. his words were no one published. a clear reading of the transcript shows there was no quid pro quo in the president's call. the american people should read the transcript. and they do well to do that. the chairman of the intelligence committee manufactured a version of the transcript and read it into the record. we also see the chairman of the committee misrepresented his context with the missile blower...
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it was all out of ukraine. so that's what the president in that debunked theory that we had tom bossert say there was no truth to that. others around him constantly telling the president, there's no truth to this. the one person that was promoting it obviously our emissary to ukraine unbeknownst to us, rudy giuliani. >> those may be two different things though. investigating ukraine's role in the russian investigation may be conspirator i can't tell and tinfoil hat, but having them investigate your political opponent is a different level. there is evidence in these text messages that that part was a requirement to meet donald trump -- >> to get military aid. >> to get military aid or a meeting. to get anything. to get something. and rudy giuliani according to volker's testimony, we understand, yesterday wasn't satisfied until the ukrainians wrote down or spoke out loud were investigating baresma which is biden. >> it makes a difference legally as well. everyone's been saying it. i will say it here. you do not n
it was all out of ukraine. so that's what the president in that debunked theory that we had tom bossert say there was no truth to that. others around him constantly telling the president, there's no truth to this. the one person that was promoting it obviously our emissary to ukraine unbeknownst to us, rudy giuliani. >> those may be two different things though. investigating ukraine's role in the russian investigation may be conspirator i can't tell and tinfoil hat, but having them...
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and the impact it has had on the president's ukraine policy. tst: catherin -- katherine joining us. she has a story published today you can find at rollcall.com. we will talk about the release on these procedures. your thoughts on it. republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. and independents, 202-748-8002. it was hakeem jeffries yesterday talking about these next steps, the role democrats will take. [video clip] where we in a phase are moving from information gathering primarily through depositions into the public truthtation of facts and to the american people and consistent with that process moving forward, it has been determined it is appropriate to willne how the transition take place from the investigation that is ongoing now into the public presentation of witnesses, documents, information, and the truth to the american people. host: that took like -- place yesterday. from st. louis, missouri, democrats line first this morning, your thoughts on the process when it comes to impeachment. what do you think? caller: hello. i am fir
and the impact it has had on the president's ukraine policy. tst: catherin -- katherine joining us. she has a story published today you can find at rollcall.com. we will talk about the release on these procedures. your thoughts on it. republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. and independents, 202-748-8002. it was hakeem jeffries yesterday talking about these next steps, the role democrats will take. [video clip] where we in a phase are moving from information gathering primarily...
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ukraine investigation. did the president pressure ukraine to dig up dirt on a political opponent? this as the state department seems to be in something of turmoil here, internal conflict over this. joining me now cnn national security reporter kylie atwood. good to have you on this morning. volker facing those questions now. do we know what story he's going to tell here? >> reporter: we don't exactly know what story he's going to tell, but according to those who are close to him, i've had a bunch of those conversations. and over the past few weeks they kind of described what he thought he was doing when he connected giuliani with that zelensky aide, he wanted to table the issue. give the political issues to giuliani so that he could continue to do his work. so i assume that that is something that he is going to be explaining to the committee today. but we also know, however, that giuliani was showing off text messages between he and kurt volker on fox news last week and the state department never really cam
ukraine investigation. did the president pressure ukraine to dig up dirt on a political opponent? this as the state department seems to be in something of turmoil here, internal conflict over this. joining me now cnn national security reporter kylie atwood. good to have you on this morning. volker facing those questions now. do we know what story he's going to tell here? >> reporter: we don't exactly know what story he's going to tell, but according to those who are close to him, i've had...
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of ukraine's natural gas company. he's already said that he went there to speak about that. he represented some of his own constituents as possible consultants to the ukraine government. we know that giuliani when he was back there and the months before trump first made that phone call when he was digging for dirt on biden simultaneously parnas and fruman themselves were trying to get a taste of the ukraine natural gas company, the biggest company in the country. >> but can we just stop? how crazy is it that while he was calling and asking for dirt to be manufactured on the bidens, he was involved in corrupting -- >> because the bidens were corrupt and the bidens were feeding at the trough of the state resources, and they themselves -- which they weren't doing, by the way, it was never proven. they were trying to lay a claim on the bidens that they themselves were engaging in, which was a corrupt act. they were using the power of the presidency, the power of their constituents, the power possibly of perry's office to
of ukraine's natural gas company. he's already said that he went there to speak about that. he represented some of his own constituents as possible consultants to the ukraine government. we know that giuliani when he was back there and the months before trump first made that phone call when he was digging for dirt on biden simultaneously parnas and fruman themselves were trying to get a taste of the ukraine natural gas company, the biggest company in the country. >> but can we just stop?...
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and making sure that the president of ukraine was doing that as well. and joe biden somehow and hunter biden were the, you know, the exemplars of that according to the president. but from this ambassador, it was very clear she had an entire program in place of anti-corruption. i mean that seemed to be a major focus of legitimate u.s. foreign policy, and the president removed the person who was doing that. >> exactly. and the president has been using this word "corruption," but the only corruption that he's ever shown any interest in is joe biden's family. you know, of course it remains to be seen -- but the president says, i wanted corruption investigated. he didn't want corruption investigated. he wanted biden investigated, and that was the source, it appears, of a conflict with the ambassador. and that's why she got fired. >> yeah. jeff toobin, david gergen, maggie haberman, thank you very much. you need your whole hand to count how many court cases the president and his administration lost today. the latest rulings and what they mean for president tr
and making sure that the president of ukraine was doing that as well. and joe biden somehow and hunter biden were the, you know, the exemplars of that according to the president. but from this ambassador, it was very clear she had an entire program in place of anti-corruption. i mean that seemed to be a major focus of legitimate u.s. foreign policy, and the president removed the person who was doing that. >> exactly. and the president has been using this word "corruption," but...
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but the way this is going in terms of the president making these demands on ukraine and ukraine appearing to accede to those demands, this story is not getting better, it is getting worse. what the government has ordered and its impact. and i say that not to bum you out, but because i know that the news is moving really fast right now. it has been ten straight days of almost insane news days, in terms of the magnitude and importance of these stories. at its heart this is still very simple. maybe that is why it is moving so fast. there is an unrebuttable central claim here, it remains very simply that the president asked a foreign country, and now it seems foreign countries, plural, for help. against the democrats. for his re-election. that's it. that is potentially a crime, no american can solicit something of value for use in a federal election from a foreign source whether or not the president himself can or can't be prosecuted for such a crime. anyone else can absolutely be prosecuted for such a crime. ask michael cohen. but the president's involvement in this scheme, his direction of
but the way this is going in terms of the president making these demands on ukraine and ukraine appearing to accede to those demands, this story is not getting better, it is getting worse. what the government has ordered and its impact. and i say that not to bum you out, but because i know that the news is moving really fast right now. it has been ten straight days of almost insane news days, in terms of the magnitude and importance of these stories. at its heart this is still very simple....
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let's talk about the ukraine scandal, the impeachment probe and more. joining us the former top lawyer at the fbi jim baker now a cnn legal analyst. jim, thanks very much for coming in. do you think that mulvaney's attempt to do some clean-up changes potentially the president's vulnerability in all of this? >> i think the key word that you just said a second ago was "mess." this is a big mess that mulvaney pead last week and i think the efforts over the weekend to try to clean it up didn't work and people are responding to that and the president didn't seem to be supportive of him today at the cabinet meeting, we're left to guess what that means. but this is stressing because the chief of staff is such a critical role and for that person not to have the complete trust and confidence of the president and the rest of the country and congress is really significant for all of us. >> and for the president not to say anything is -- >> it is shocking really. >> when asked by reporters today over at the cabinet meeting about mick mulvaney, that says something.
let's talk about the ukraine scandal, the impeachment probe and more. joining us the former top lawyer at the fbi jim baker now a cnn legal analyst. jim, thanks very much for coming in. do you think that mulvaney's attempt to do some clean-up changes potentially the president's vulnerability in all of this? >> i think the key word that you just said a second ago was "mess." this is a big mess that mulvaney pead last week and i think the efforts over the weekend to try to clean...
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ukraine should be recognized. i don't think anyone is questioning ukraine's independence except for mr. putin, perhaps and people around him. a foreign policy success at ukraine's expense would not be a foreign policy success. i think the blowback from the congress, from the think tank, university community, everywhere , would be so severe that if the president tried to push some resolution that came at ukraine's expense -- i think that in order for it to be labeled a success, it cannot come at ukraine's expense. on crimea, turkey could make some claims on crimea since until mid- 18 century. in 54, it was given to the ukrainians. socialist republic. acknowledgment of agreement of that. ninety-four and 97 with the russia ukraine friendship treaty it is only mr. putin and those like him that want to eat erase all of that and claim that crimea actually belongs to russia. if we allow that to happen, then we are losing. in my view, the international community should never recognize crimea as part of russia. we never re
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former ambassador to ukraine who was recalled from her position to ukraine is scheduled to give a deposition to the committee next week. wall street journal reports ordered her removed -- it was just yesterday giuliani admitted to passing on some weird propaganda packet of conspiracy theories at the state department and joining me now is one of the members of congress at the deposition of the former envoy to ukraine today, and he's a member of both the house foreign affairs committee and house oversight committee. >> i heard some chilling things, but what i mostly heard, chris, was corroborative evidence of the whistle-blower complaint, and for that matter factual for the transcript of the july 25th phone call between president trump and president zelensky. >> after listening to volker, do you feel like you have a better sense of the effort which reporting now indicates was not just the president on a phone call and giuliani running around meeting with people but actually quite deeply involved volker and his colleagues at the state department. >> yes, i think this is really a grave moment it
former ambassador to ukraine who was recalled from her position to ukraine is scheduled to give a deposition to the committee next week. wall street journal reports ordered her removed -- it was just yesterday giuliani admitted to passing on some weird propaganda packet of conspiracy theories at the state department and joining me now is one of the members of congress at the deposition of the former envoy to ukraine today, and he's a member of both the house foreign affairs committee and house...
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his job at director of ukraine was to advance ukraine. this was part of his work, part of the responsibility, and the key question i'm left with is what happened to those concerns with the nsc legal directorate. they said the report to john bolton and to white house counsel, and i imagine something investigators will be looking further into. >> let me get your thoughts, you know, sarah, on a different issue. jared kushner gave an interview in israel on israeli tv, responding to joe biden's "60 minutes" interview. listen to what jared kushner said about biden. >> a lot of the work that the president has had me doing over the last three years has actually been cleaning up the messes that vice president biden left behind. look, he has his opinion. i think that president trump's entitled to pick his team and, you know, we've worked with him for a long time. i think we've done a good job of trying to help him be successful. >> biden had said on "60 minutes," if you remember, sarah it was improper for jared kushner or his wife ivanka to work in
his job at director of ukraine was to advance ukraine. this was part of his work, part of the responsibility, and the key question i'm left with is what happened to those concerns with the nsc legal directorate. they said the report to john bolton and to white house counsel, and i imagine something investigators will be looking further into. >> let me get your thoughts, you know, sarah, on a different issue. jared kushner gave an interview in israel on israeli tv, responding to joe...
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trump was up to in ukraine. they represented that bipartisan policy and it's not a surprise to me that they're the first people who are going to testify in front of that impeachment inquiry. the last thing, rachel that's really important is the republicans used to be more hawkish about this. the criticism we got in the obama administration from people like lindsey graham was we weren't doing enough to support ukraine. now republicans have done a 180, saying there's nothing wrong with this call transcript. it's a window into the cynicism of the republican party. how much they flipped on this issue just to protect trump. >> and ben, as we go forward and head into these next couple of days with mike pompeo essentially threatening that he's going to try to block those officials you were just describing from speaking to congress, we don't exactly know how this is going to go with these depositions and when they're going to happen and who exactly is going to show up and how much the state department is going to do to
trump was up to in ukraine. they represented that bipartisan policy and it's not a surprise to me that they're the first people who are going to testify in front of that impeachment inquiry. the last thing, rachel that's really important is the republicans used to be more hawkish about this. the criticism we got in the obama administration from people like lindsey graham was we weren't doing enough to support ukraine. now republicans have done a 180, saying there's nothing wrong with this call...
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envoy to ukraine. the statement committing ukraine to investigate conspiracy theories about joe biden and about russia not having hacked the democrats in 2016. "the times" says, quote, it is unclear if it was delivered to the ukrainian president but no statement was released publicly under his name. they continue, the drafting of the statement was an effort to pacify mr. trump and rudy giuliani and normalize relations between the two countries as ukraine faced continuing conflict with russia. mr. sondland and mr. volker believed that mr. giuliani was, quote, poisoning mr. trump's mind about ukraine and that eliciting a public commitment from mr. zelensky to pursue the investigations would induce mr. trump to more fully support the ukrainian government. as we said, all of this comes on a day when president trump asked yet another country, this time china, to investigate joe biden, erasing all doubt about whether he could or would or will happily collude with foreign powers in plain sight to boost his re
envoy to ukraine. the statement committing ukraine to investigate conspiracy theories about joe biden and about russia not having hacked the democrats in 2016. "the times" says, quote, it is unclear if it was delivered to the ukrainian president but no statement was released publicly under his name. they continue, the drafting of the statement was an effort to pacify mr. trump and rudy giuliani and normalize relations between the two countries as ukraine faced continuing conflict with...
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military support to ukraine was indeed contentioned on ukraine's willingness to
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embassy in ukraine right now? >> one of the major frustrations at the white house they haven't gotten a full read what every single person is saying because they're concerned what some of these administration current and former are saying and what the house democratic investigators are doing, slowly piecing together a picture of exactly what happened when this aid from the moment the aid was withheld until the moment it was released and what all of the reasons were around that. what we've seen so far, largely from the career folks on the state department side and the embassy and ukraine what we still don't have exactly is the picture of what did the president tell his chief of staff mick mulvaney directly or tell rudy giuliani when they met as they frequently do at the white house and the residence of the white house? those are the pictures that the elements of the picture we don't yet have. the question is whether or not democrats will need that or not to proceed. certainly this white house wants to have a better
embassy in ukraine right now? >> one of the major frustrations at the white house they haven't gotten a full read what every single person is saying because they're concerned what some of these administration current and former are saying and what the house democratic investigators are doing, slowly piecing together a picture of exactly what happened when this aid from the moment the aid was withheld until the moment it was released and what all of the reasons were around that. what we've...
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the explicit purpose is to help ukraine battle russia. okay. ukraine would be in favor of that but why should you be in favor? does it help america? does it make you safer? thank you for coming on. >> great to be here. >> tucker: if i were a ukrainian, i would be completely in favor of this. why should i as an american be in favor? >> you probably shouldn't. the crisis is over, the immediate crisis that was posed when vladimir putin took a small part of ukraine and then took crimea which instantly is mostly ethnically russian. right now you have a lot of aid going to ukraine, up to nearly $1.5 billion if you go back to 2014 when they have this political transformation. ton the problem is the place is crooked, it's corrupt. in a lot of places will report foreign aid over the years are corrupt and you get more corruption when you do it. transparency international says there's 120 in the world out of 180 and corruption. they're the most corrupt countre in all of europe except for russia. >> tucker: the posture i hear in washington, if i'm not real
the explicit purpose is to help ukraine battle russia. okay. ukraine would be in favor of that but why should you be in favor? does it help america? does it make you safer? thank you for coming on. >> great to be here. >> tucker: if i were a ukrainian, i would be completely in favor of this. why should i as an american be in favor? >> you probably shouldn't. the crisis is over, the immediate crisis that was posed when vladimir putin took a small part of ukraine and then took...
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ukraine testimony. president trump's former top russia adviser appears behind closed doors in the impeachment inquiry starting a week of expected testimony by key administration officials. what are lawmakers hearing today about rudy giuliani's efforts in ukraine? >> grave concern. president trump now promising sanctions against turkey for its attacks in northern syria. after senate majority leader mitch mcconnell rebukes the president's decision to draw forces from the region. is the president now reconsidering? >> tight race. a new poll shows joe biden and elizabeth warren in a close battle for the democratic presidential nomination on this, the eve of cnn's next presidential debate. will biden's new ethics offensive against president trump give him an edge? >> and deadly collapse. an urgent search for a worker believed to be trapped in the rubble of a hotel construction site that collapsed. killing two people in new orleans. but the building remains dangerously unstable tonight, making the rescue oper
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military aid was withheld from ukraine in part to pressure ukraine to investigate the democrats. it made headlines everywhere, but just minutes ago tonight, right before we came on the air, mulvaney trying to walk that back now? >> reporter: he's put out a statement, david, that accuses, quote, the media, of miscon trueing what he said. mulvaney is now saying there was absolutely no quid pro quo between ukrainian military aid and any investigation into the 2016 election. but david, that is not what he said in that briefing. in fact, when i followed up and asked him directly if he was saying it was a quid pro quo, not only did he not deny it, he said, as you heard, we do that, we do that all the time with foreign policy. now, mulvaney's statement came out after a statement from the president's legal team was released, distancing itself from what he said. the legal team said, quote, the president's legal counsel was not involved in acting chief of staff mick mulvaney's press briefing. david? >> jon, thank you. >>> meantime, the resignation making news tonight. late today, president
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government's support of ukraine. following the call, i again reported my concerns to nsc's lead counsel," that would be john eisenberg. colonel vindman stresses that he personally has had no direct contact or communication with president trump. and he also says he is not the whistleblower. he says, "i want the committees to know i am not the whistleblower who brought this issue to the cia and the committees' attention. i do not know who the whistleblower is and i would not feel comfortable to speculate as to the identity of the whistleblower." colonel vindman begins his opening statement with some basic biographical information. he says, "i have dedicated my entire professional life to the united states of america. for more than two decades, it has been my honor to serve as an officer in the united states army. as an infantry officer, i served multiple overseas tours, including south korea and germany, and a deployment to iraq for combat operations in iraq. i was wounded in an ied attack and awarded a purple heart. s
government's support of ukraine. following the call, i again reported my concerns to nsc's lead counsel," that would be john eisenberg. colonel vindman stresses that he personally has had no direct contact or communication with president trump. and he also says he is not the whistleblower. he says, "i want the committees to know i am not the whistleblower who brought this issue to the cia and the committees' attention. i do not know who the whistleblower is and i would not feel...
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and ukraine's independence. and this just put everything on its head and continues to in our work we must be doing with ukraine and the other baltic nations. zp really laid out there. a lot of food for thought given the scandals and levels. senator klobuchar, thanks for coming back on "the beat." >> president trump will be in my state claiming he can win it tonight, but that's where he is tonight and it's his first rally since this investigation opened. >> amy klobuchar, sort of anti-plugging the trump rally. >> that is exactly right. >> "hardball" is up right now. >>> flight risks. let's play hardball.
and ukraine's independence. and this just put everything on its head and continues to in our work we must be doing with ukraine and the other baltic nations. zp really laid out there. a lot of food for thought given the scandals and levels. senator klobuchar, thanks for coming back on "the beat." >> president trump will be in my state claiming he can win it tonight, but that's where he is tonight and it's his first rally since this investigation opened. >> amy klobuchar,...
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how narrow is the ukraine? there's a lot of concern -- >> so many other things. >> -- that the democrats are going tot narrow scope. but it is in that narrow scope most likely where democrats will be able to have the cleanest, most unambiguous argument about donald trump violating his oath of office. >> yeah, exactly, joe. think that's what speaker pelosi is trying to focus on right now. zroi democrats don't want this going on. we don't want to be dealing with impeachment when the 2020 caucus gets underway in february, which is slightly less than 15 weeks away. if you start expanding the scope of the investigation well beyond ukraine, this could drag on for god knows how long. for the short-term, i think speaker pelosi is doing exactly what she needs to be doing, which are is keeping the focus on ukraine. there's so much material on this issue for democrats to work with when it comes to impeachment. russia investigation for so many people was confusing because there were so many elements. this is pretty straigh
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ambassador to ukraine. if nothing else, her testimony today appears from the outside to have been thorough. she emerged from that closed door deposition after nine plus hours. she didn't get out until 7:40 eastern time. joining us now is tom melinowski. he was assistant secretary of state in both the state department and national security council. thank you for making time tonight. i know it's been a long day. >> thank you so much. >> i was struck by the congressman said there about how it was eight hours that went like a new york second that he seemed -- he seemed moved by the testimony. how would you describe the testimony today? >> i agree. you know, we spent nine hours with a diplomat, a patriot of tremendous courage and integrity who answered questions honestly, thoroughly and who set an example today that not only should you obey a legally binding subpoena, but you can. you can be a career civil servant or foreign service officer and despite the president's efforts to deny you the opportunity to compe
ambassador to ukraine. if nothing else, her testimony today appears from the outside to have been thorough. she emerged from that closed door deposition after nine plus hours. she didn't get out until 7:40 eastern time. joining us now is tom melinowski. he was assistant secretary of state in both the state department and national security council. thank you for making time tonight. i know it's been a long day. >> thank you so much. >> i was struck by the congressman said there about...
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in ukraine gate. and we're going to be a mother we had great people paul martin for good point you know when we 1st arrived scandalous articles about him in the washington post by and have a warm august basically they all forgot to mention that he didn't do anything in russia he did everything in ukraine and so did the d n c and he was i'm sorrier but at least he walked on his specialty he was a political consultant he got millions for that but the bidens or chameleons for something he didn't understand creation in because of his father's name but he was his father son he didn't understand anything in gas trade or in energy where did we come to buy them get education in energy studies you know so the 4th story isn't what i'm going to write or break for but understand. knew a lot about pharmaceuticals if you know what i mean we're going to go to a short break here and after a short break we'll continue our discussion and some real news stay with our team. just. in this context i'm almost a last chance
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state department approves the sale of millions of dollars worth of antitank missiles to ukraine but the country proving to be a rich source of money scandal and political intrigue for the us. plus 2 american presidential hopeful bernie sanders declares war on the super rich who gets massive public support including from surprisingly facebook's billionaire. the streets of new york if the one percent will ever be seen as the oppressed minority. pranced. i don't think they should be hated they don't believe in demonizing the successful . minority when. we can for good morning and welcome to the program this saturday live will be sent to moscow it's kevin are with you for this. starting with this then ecuador in the grip of a wave of violent protests offer a state of emergency was declared thursday demonstrations began over the government's decision to end fuel subsidies with petrol prices expected to more than double the number it. this is some of the end result she said transport workers have been leaving a national strike on the country's president's using emergency powers to put troops
state department approves the sale of millions of dollars worth of antitank missiles to ukraine but the country proving to be a rich source of money scandal and political intrigue for the us. plus 2 american presidential hopeful bernie sanders declares war on the super rich who gets massive public support including from surprisingly facebook's billionaire. the streets of new york if the one percent will ever be seen as the oppressed minority. pranced. i don't think they should be hated they...