a very good thursday morning to you i'm jim sciutto. >> i'm poppy harlow. in minutes a key witness will be on capitol hill delivering testimony. it is something that his boss, secretary of state mike pompeo tried to prevent. kurt volker, formerly nato ambassador, ambassador to ukraine, he will testify behind closed doors. we're learning dozens of pages were already delivered ahead of his deposition today. a source says that volker was, quote, never on the trump train. that's a line the administration may be rolling out what could be damaging testimony in the impeachment inquiry stemming from president trump's pressure on the president of ukraine to dig up dirt on potential rival in 2020 joe biden. democrats say more subpoenas would be coming if the white house refuses to release more documents related to that effort, and yet another person on that ukraine call, "the

washington post" is now reporting a top aide for vice president mike pence was also listening in. meanwhile, the president is set to leave next hour for florida where he will follow up on his bruising back and forth with reporters yesterday, most likely but he might not take questions. we'll see. our team is covering all of this from all the angles. let's start with our congressional reporter lauren fox on capitol hill. what are we expecting from this testimony, lauren? >> well, in just a short time, volker will be up here on capitol hill. you can expect that lawmakers are going to have a lot of questions for him, specifically about what his role and connection was with rudy giuliani and whether or not he accommodated any of these meetings between ukrainian officials and julianmy. giuliani was trying to figure out what was going on with the bidens in ukraine. i will tell you those text messages giuliani released last week which caused the former special envoy to ukraine to resign on friday, all of that is

going to be of interest to committee aides and to members who will want to ask about that. that's coming up in just a short bit, poppy. >> so the intelligence community, inspector general, will be on the hill tomorrow. and there is a lot that he is going to be asked. what is the most pressing thing that you're hearing from lawmakers about what they want to know, in addition to all of the documents they've already seen in the transcripts? >> well, you know, one of the biggest issues that they want to talk about is the transcript and then that formal complaint. they want to hear precisely more about some of the claims that are in that complaint that came out last week. this is going to be an opportunity for aides to push on exactly what was in the complaint. you can also expect that republicans are going to want to keep asking questions about, you know, whether this was the whistle blower's firsthand knowledge or not. that is something that they have continued to push, that this was not something that the whistle blower had firsthand knowledge of. of course, the icig has pushed back on that, poppy. so all of that is going to be

part of the conversation tomorrow. >> and republican senator chuck grassley made the point -- >> doesn't matter, right? >> it doesn't matter, yeah. >> let me ask you this. there was a lot of anticipation leading up to this document dump, as it were, by the state department on the hill yesterday. a lot of speculation as to what that was in the end. can you explain to us what it was and how significant? >> well, i will tell you that aides coming out of that briefing yesterday were very puzzled as to why this was such an urgent matter. one, i had an opportunity to take a look at some of those documents. and they included many unfounded claims about the bidens, rudy giuliani had put together some information related to these unverified claims. that was part of this document. it also included state department emails, where a state department official seemed to be talking about articles that were in the hill, pushing a narrative about the former ambassador to ukraine and basically those state department officials remarking that those were an

unverified narrative, a fake narrative, is the term they used. so all of that was in that document dump. but aides coming out of the briefing were very puzzled as to why this was so urgent and why this had to happen yesterday. of course there was a lot of buildup as we were trying to figure out exactly what that briefs was going to be about. jim and poppy? >> lauren fox, thanks very much. cnn's joe johns is at the white house where president trump will leave for florida within the next hour. there's been a lot of questioning about what is going to be the administration's response to the impeachment inquiry, will there be a war room. it strikes me we can see the strategy playing out before our eyes, attack, attack, attack, consistent with the mueller probe, go after the credibility of witnesses, create alternative narratives. is that the strategy we're going to see going forward? >> that's the big question here at the white house because we do know that the president has very much been on the attack both in person and in front of the camera as well as on twitter.

he has really gone after all of this and sometimes not necessarily to his benefit simply because of the way it comes off. i think we saw that yesterday in that news conference with the president of finland. now, he's also been seeking very much to discredit the russia investigation, which he sees as a black mark on his administration to that end, cnn has reporting that the president has enlisted both a new prime minister of uk as well as of australia, boris johnson and scott morrison in an attempt to try to discredit the russia investigation. we know australia's important because they're one of the countries mentioned as raising the red flag on the russian investigation in the mueller report. and the president very much has wanted to try to change the narrative even so much so as sending his attorney general into looking into the origins of the russia investigation. so, this has been a multi-prong

attack and it's expected to continue. back to you. >> joe, what are we hearing about the vice president, his involvement, with ukraine, with any pressure on ze len ski and in terms of knowledge or lack thereof of that phone call? >> well, lack thereof is what we're getting out of the office of the vice president, at least so far. we know his name has come up multiple times, for one thing, it's on the record that he actually had to cancel a trip to the inauguration of the president of ukraine of slod mere ze lin ski and he had to not go because the president of the united states told him not to go. that of course sent a message to the government of ukraine. and later, in a meeting with zelenski said aid was being held up to that country, aid that country needs very badly to protect itself essentially in order to get that country straight on the issue of

corruption, which the president said is his issue and many on capitol hill suspect was pretext for trying to get dirt on the bidens. back to you. >> joe johns at the white house, thank you on both of those fronts. let's talk about with susan glasser, staff writer for the new yorker and former federal prosecutor laura coates. susan, let me begin with you. if we were in the room today, as volker is answering these questions, this is the first actual witness in this official impeachment inquiry. what is the most important question to get a straight forward answer to? >> well, you know, the old watergate question is going to apply to all these witnesses which is what did you know and when did you know it? and the timeline is very significant here, both the timeline of kurt volker's interactions with rudy giuliani, which can establish what exactly was the nature of the -- what appears to be rogue foreign policy, that giuliani and trump were wanting. and what were his instructions

or communications with secretary of state mike pompeo? and other trump administration officials. this is very important because it establishes -- we've seen the white house's transcript of the phone call. what we need and i think will be trying to establish in this investigation is what is the evidence surrounding that phone call? for example, it's my understanding that kurt volker was a participant in some of the meetings at which the president's personal instruction to freeze the military aid to ukraine was discussed. what was said in that meeting? what did he learn about it? you know, the president's instructions were conveyed, but was any rational conveyed for it? is it the same as the public rational, the president is now after the fact offering? so i think that kurt volker really is a crucial witness here, and you know, i believe he will tell the truth. you know, i think we all expect that. >> laura, i want to ask you a

legal question here because one thing is clear now is that this effort by this administration internationally was not just ukraine and seeking dirt on the bidens. now you have bill barr traveling around the world, the president looking for help from the brits, the australian, the italians on a doj inquiry into the origins of the 2016 russia investigation. legally, is that a different and arguably more acceptable, whether you think there's anything there there, but acceptable line of inquiry for this administration, to look at those questions as opposed to ones that are specifically targeting his potential opponent in 2020? >> i think if you're looking at it in the context of which is more palatable to people to understand and which is more appropriate, certainly one that involves an abuse of power and trying to use the leverage of congressionally appropriated funds for the national security of an ally is going -- for your own political gain is going to be far more problematic than say asking for cooperation in an international effort to figure

out if there is something about the intelligence community or information you received that would compromise the process that you had in your underlying agencies. but thematically they're really the same here because what it's talking about is necessarily the use of official diplomatic and political channels not for the security of the nation, not in the interest of united states of america per se, but either to barry an ax, to grind an ax or even have some sort of political leverage over a perceived democratic front-runner. thematically it's the same thing but you're absolutely right, jim n your question if you're a member of congress and in impeachment proceedings, what are you going to prioritize knowing that you have the ambassador former ambassador of ukraine coming, in kurt volker, what's your priority? your priority is the president of the united states. >> laura, one more legal question for you on something slightly different, "the washington post" reporting that i know you've seen on rudy giuliani consulting with now

imprisoned former trump campaign manager paul manafort on something around ukraine, all kosher, something smell there? >> of course it smells. it smells toxic and it's offensive. the reason you're looking at this and the reason why, of course, the idea of ukraine is extraordinarily problematic for the president of the united states is because he doesn't seem to have learned his lesson about his operations. paul manafort, people were condemning the mueller probe, saying this is so far fetched. why on earth is this at all relevant to the trump campaign? this is his own private and personal and business dealings outside of the campaign. now you're finding out that somehow that was tapped into for the benefit of a current administration and a perspective capacity. that's far more interesting if you're talking about an impeachment probe. criminally speaking, i don't know that you have anything there. >> as you're speaking, we see kurt volker, now arriving on the hill for his closed door

testimony. we'll follow that as we learn more. very quickly before we go, susan, you heard cnn's reporting before we came to you that now folks are saying about volker that he was, quote, not on the trump train. which is a frequent tactic we have seen with critics of this president even ones he appointed and served in the administration, if they go off the party line, then they were either disloyal or always a never trumper or something. is that what we should expect if he gives potentially damaging testimony here? >> no. i think that's a real inaccuracy truthfully. i know kurt volker from following russia for all these years. and i've spoken with him throughout the trump administration. and he made a conscious choice to serve the administration he was asked to do this job by rex tillerson. many of his colleagues, executive director of the mccain institute, signed the never trump letter. he did not do so. not because i think he was pro-trump but because he thought it was important that there still be people who would serve their country. and throughout the

administration when i spoke with him, this was always very consistent. he did not see himself as a partisan. he saw himself as representing an important american interest. and seeing whether there was any progress that was possible to end this military conflict that has been going on in ukraine for years. >> which is what you want him to do but certainly won't stop partisan on the president's team painting him in that light as they have often done. >> sure. >> susan glasser, laura coates, great to have you. still to come this hour, former u.s. special envoy as we said kurt volker is on the hill. he arrived just moments ago. that's him. he'll be before the foreign affairs committee. a member of that committee is going to join us next. and former vice president joe biden launching his strongest response yet to the president's attacks. you'll hear what he said. and a powerful moment inside of a dallas courtroom as a man offers forgiveness and hugs the ex-police officer convicted of murdering his brother.

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york, of course he is the senior member on the foreign affairs committee. thank you very much. appreciate you being here. >> thank you. >> look, i know you're in chicago and you're headed to london for an important nato meeting. you're not there. aides for you and others on the house foreign affairs committee are questioning volker today. my question to you is what is the most important question that they get a straight answer to or if you were there, what would you ask him? >> i want to know what was the dialogue and conversation between volker and president's personal attorney, giuliani. giuliani has put out there on a continuous basis he was acting on behalf of the state department. i think mr. volker would be able to answer that question so we can see whether or not there was pressure put on mr. volker to arrange either contacts with the president of ukraine and what that was all about. so that dialogue and conversation and connection between mr. giuliani and others within the administration and what they were trying to find

out with regards to the ukrainian president and what that subject matter would be very important to know. >> so, what if volker testifies that the request to him, you know, to meet with giuliani, came from the ukrainian side, that the effort was really on that side? if you look at page 3 of the transcript, president zelensky says i will tell you one of my assistants spoke with giuliani recently. we're hoping that mr. giuliani will be able to travel to ukraine and we'll meet with him once he comes to ukraine? >> well, i think that this is why this inquiry is must -- is very important, must happen, so we can find out what those facts are. to not know what the facts are, and that's why we're doing an impeachment inquiry, so we can gather all of the facts and know what the truth is. i think that mr. volker, who, you know, for whatever his reasons were, decided to step down as ambassador and testify today in the documents that he presents, soon we will know what they were and what happened. that's what this is, it's a quest for the truth so the

american people deserve to know what the truth is. >> one of the difficulties that you and your fellow members of congress have faced in getting to the truth is stonewalling from the administration, a lack of testimony, people not showing up for testimony, empty chairs, documents not turned over, but a tool that you guys have not yet used is holding those people in contempt or the inherent contempt tool. that hasn't been used in, as you know, over a century. and i wonder if you think it is time for congress to use that authority? >> well, i think that you will see us using it. i think that when you have the question of whether or not a president has abused his power, betrayed the constitution, and put our national defense at risk by with holding money that was appropriated for ukraine, knowing that russia is on its solvent property, there is a responsibility. in fact, i know secretary pompeo has said before it would be

malpractice for us not to -- at that time to investigate secretary clinton it would be malpractice for us not to utilize every tool to make sure that we get a quest and answers so we know the truth of what took place. >> okay. let me ask you about something that was tweeted this week by your fellow democrat in congress, congresswoman maxine waters wrote, quote, impeachment is not good enough for trump. he needs to be imprisoned and placed in solitary confinement. now, you didn't jump to impeachment. you just got there, you know, i think it was september 24th. do statements like that from her make this case harder for democrats because it looks extreme some would say and it looks purely partisan? >> look, i will only tell you the words of the speaker, nancy pelosi i this is a very serious time -- >> i really want your take on this because it matters, the rhetoric coming out of those in your party at this point. and do you believe that language like that from congresswoman

mixine waters saying impeachment isn't good enough, the president needs to be imprisoned and placed in solitary confinement. >> what i know is we are doing a very thorough investigation as to what has taken place. this is a very serious matter. and for me personally, it is very serious. it is why i did not go on the impeachment bandwagon. i wanted to make sure that we had the facts and that we move forward. you know, we don't want impeachment to be something that's just a political game. this is a very -- when you talk about betraying your trust to the american people, when you talk about the abuse of power, it is something that i don't take lightly. i took an oath of office to protect the constitution. >> that's why i'm asking you if you think language for a sitting congresswoman to say to the president should be put in solitary confinement, sounds to the american people, does it, like a political game rather than a very solemn choice, one you just made? >> i think that if you listen to

the chairmans of the committee that has jurisdiction, the three chairman put out a statement. i think if you listen to the speaker and overwhelming number of members of the united states congress, that you will find -- and even congresswoman waters, that she is doing a meticulous and very refined investigation and trying to get the documents that are important here. you've got a president who has been obstructing congress from doing its job. >> uh-huh. >> and obstruction should not take place here. the president has not been forthcoming. >> yeah. and i'm not questioning her work. obviously she has a key role on the financial services committee, et cetera. i'm questioning the rhetoric and your thoughts on that. i appreciate your time, congressman meeks. have a good, informative trip. let us know how it goes when you get back. >> thank you. sources say the gop is getting more and more concerned with the white house impeachment

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so there are certainly a lot at stake as well as control of the senate. here with me now to discuss, national politics report ert for the "wall street journal" and cnn political analyst and host of "you decide podcast"er roll lewis. i want to get your sense of where the politics are here on impeachment. it appears there's a lot of contradictory data. you have our own good reporting that republicans are nervous but also nrcc is finding that in their target districts two thirds of voters, not just republicans, believe impeachment is sort of a waste of time. they want to talk about other issues. >> look, nrcc may be whistling past a graveyard, frankly. they have a big problem. they have a lot of incumbents who are retiring, walking away from these races. they may be able to hang on to what they have, but what they have is a minority in the house of representatives, which is why impeachment is going forward in the first place. >> i hear from democratic and

republican lawmakers that when they go to their home districts, people aren't exactly clambering for an impeachment inquiry. the public polling has moved. >> look, it depends on you're asking the question. it won't be top of mind. top of mind will be jobs, education, health care, the usual cast of characters. if you ask is this warranted, is it okay for the president to publicly ask for a foreign leader to interfere in our election, nobody is going to be voting for that. so the way that the democrats structure this question and this is where nancy pelosi's strategy comes in, how they structure the question and when and how and why they put it forward will be really make the difference. >> to errol's great point and what jim brings up because i hear from people as well, the democrats have to deliver on key things. they have to prove that their energy and their work is going elsewhere as well, which would make getting usmca past of critical importance to them to be able to show their voters, for example, we -- you know, we

delivered on something. we're not just doing impeachment inquiry in washington. do you agree with that assessment? >> absolutely. i think that democrats have been engaged in that balancing act ever since they took control of the house of representatives last january, even as the mueller investigation continued to unfold and the now democratic-led committees in the house have pursued various avenues in terms of investigating both the president and his allies. they've also at the same time had to balance that with their messaging around issues like medicare for all and other health care proposals, anti-corruption bills they passed through the house, anti-gun violence legislation they also passed through the house. when they go out on the campaign trail, i think there is going to be a very key component to the messaging. and one of the democratic strategists i spoke to framed it this way, he said that the key for democrats is going to make sure that they don't frame themselves as the pro-impeachment party, they frame themselves as the

anti-corruption party. this dove tails into the messaging they've had this notion of corruption throughout the administration, but one of the things that does make the messaging on this easier for democrats is that the evidence really is in what the president already said in that summary of the call that his own white house put out in public, which really is the president explicitly asking a foreign leader to investigate his political opponent. that's a lot more cut and dry for people than the russia investigation and easier for them to comprehend. >> yeah. take over drain the swamp message, could attempt to, i suppose. joe biden, of course, as you know, errol is a target of the president here and these efforts. listen to how he responded. he pushed back in stronger terms than he has previously and i want to get your sense of it. have a listen. >> now let me make something clear to mr. trump and his hat chet mend and the special interest funding attacks against me, i'm not going anywhere.

you're not going to destroy me. you're not going to destroy my family. i don't care how much money you spend, mr. president. or how dirty the attacks get. >> effective response from the vice president there? >> it's heartfelt. it's understandable. on the other hand, you have to keep in mind, joe biden has to keep in mind, the president doesn't need to destroy him. he just needs to create enough confusion that this assumes the kind of dimensions of the email scandal around hillary clinton where swing voters, undecided voters, independent voters start to say i don't know what this is all about, but i don't like this guy. maybe i stay home. >> is this email server 2.0, sabrina? >> well, i don't think that there is a direct line to former vice president joe biden here. it's very complicated, i think, for a lot of people to understand -- >> i'm saying in the messaging, right, muddy the weather,

confuse people. >> i think there is an element as to whether this effects the notion of electability upon which he has centered his campaign and does it re-enforce this idea that he's someone who comes into the race with a lot of baggage. if republicans and the president are successful as they're trying to do in pushing this idea that there is something shady that was going on behind the scenes, even if the evidence does not support any wrong doing on the part of biden, that's what will become a problem for him, but so far we haven't necessarily seen evidence in the polls that this is moving the needle, but it's very early on and i think that's part of why you saw the vice president last night want to go on the offense and try and get out ahead of this. also i do think one of the things that his campaign has pointed out is if the president wants to engage, there is a response that you might see from democrats where they'll bring up a lot of the ties that the president's own children, his adult children, have to businesses overseas and the ways they tried to profit off of the

presidency. they believe this sort of negates itself in terms of an attack. >> two who work for the white house in taxpayer funded roles. >> very good point. thank you, sabrina. appreciate it. thank you, errol. right now special envoy to ukraine cukurt volker is on the hill. what will he say? the latest on that testimony ahead. of your daily routine. so why treat your mouth any differently? listerine® completes the job by preventing plaque, early gum disease, and killing up to 99.9% of germs. try listerine® and for on-the-go, try listerine® ready! tabs™

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this is a story we've covered and will continue to cover. it is one year and a day since the brutal killing of washington post journalist jamal khashoggi. there are still very few questio answers, lots of questions. now they continuing investigate into mohammed bin salmon the suspected man who directed this murder. two washington attorneys are calling for that investigation. they say the saudi crown prince is responsible for the kidnapping, torture and assassination of khashoggi along with other crimes against humanity. yesterday, of course, marked one year since the murder and disappearance. dozens gathered outside the saudi consulate in istanbul to remember him including his fiance and washington post order jeff bezos.

a memorial stone was unveiled displaying his birth and death dates. soon the former state employee and former u.s. special envoy to ukraine kurt volker will face questions from three congressional committees about the ukraine investigation. did the president pressure ukraine to dig up dirt on a political opponent? this as the state department seems to be in something of turmoil here, internal conflict over this. joining me now cnn national security reporter kylie atwood. good to have you on this morning. volker facing those questions now. do we know what story he's going to tell here? >> reporter: we don't exactly know what story he's going to tell, but according to those who are close to him, i've had a bunch of those conversations. and over the past few weeks they kind of described what he thought he was doing when he connected giuliani with that zelensky aide, he wanted to table the issue. give the political issues to giuliani so that he could continue to do his work. so i assume that that is something that he is going to be explaining to the committee

today. but we also know, however, that giuliani was showing off text messages between he and kurt volker on fox news last week and the state department never really came out and defended kurt volker. then of course kurt volker decided to resign last week. so clearly the volker is going to want to defend himself here. it's going to be his opportunity to bring his side of the story forth because he has remained largely publicly silent and so has the state department. now we know that just yesterday a bunch of the documents for his deposition were brought to congress so that they could review him before -- review those documents before today. and tomorrow is the big deadline for the state department because those documents that have been subpoenaed, forced to be compelled to produce to congress by pompeo and by the state department on the connections between ukraine and the state

department are expected to come tomorrow. but we'll have to see if the state department actually complies with that subpoena because as you said, jim, there is some inner turmoil here. secretary pompeo has tried to prevent those five current and former state department officials from attending the deposition in the time period that the committee requested. >> and you know what, some of them are defying the secretary of state. great to have you on the show, kylie atwood. significant moment on the hill today, it's really the first official interview or testimony in this impeachment inquiry. >> it is. and it's important. there will be a lot to follow. ahead, bernie sanders off the campaign trail indefinitely right now after a heart procedure. how is he doing? we'll get a check on that ahead. . so why treat your mouth any differently? listerine® completes the job by preventing plaque, early gum disease, and killing up to 99.9% of germs. try listerine® and for on-the-go, try listerine® ready! tabs™

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this morning senator bernie sanders wife is with him in las vegas as he recovers from a procedure to treat a blocked artery. the democratic presidential candidate has canceled his scheduled appearances. he is off of the campaign trail until further notice. >> sad news for him and his family. he experienced chest discomfort tuesday night. he asked for a chair to sit dune in the campaign event. he stated yesterday that he's feeling good and is, quote, lucky to have good health care.

notable. ryan nobles has the latest from washington in the came as something as a shock yesterday. tell us what you've been hearing from the campaign in the last 24 hours, particularly as to how seen can get back on the campaign trail. >> reporter: well, the short answer is the skpcampaign is be vague about what's in store for him. he is feeling much better after having those two stents placed in the artery that the blockage. we've checked in with them this morning and they said no updates as of yet. i think there's right now an internal deliberation about what the next step should be for senator sanders. i think at least the first 24 hours is about making sure that his health is in order and that he's able to make a full and complete recovery and then they will begin the conversations about what this means for the campaign going forward. but most notably of course, jim and poppy, right after they made the announcement that senator

sanders was dealing with this health condition, they also canceled a $1.3 million ad buy in iowa. so that's at least some indication that there's at least a deliberation going on within the campaign about what happens next. >> that's interesting. >> i hadn't read that. that's interesting, ryan. before you go, obviously we're talking about politics, he's running for president. the most important thing is he's okay. first and foremost we hope he is doing okay. on the political side, there's important dates. the cnn debate, october 15th. other big things. are those in doubt for him now? >> at this point the campaign said that he is off the campaign trail indefinitely. first you mentioned the debate on the 15th, that's going to be vitally important but there's the lgbtq town hall that they're hosting on october 10th which is a little more than a week away that he had agreed to participate in. i think those are the two big watermarks to see whether or not his health improves enough to

get him back out on the campaign trail and those two big events. >> yeah. all right. wishing him the best, ryan. thank you for your reporting. you were great yesterday. you jumped on the news right away. thank you very much for that. >> thank you. so watch this next story coming up because we have so much bad news, we have so much divisive news, but an emotional moment inside a dallas courtroom. the brother of a murdered man right there hugs and forgives the ex-police officer who killed his brother in his own apartment. >> wow. we're also moments away from the president leaving the white house. he's heading to florida, but will he stop and speak to reporters and answer their questions? this is all while his administration special envoy to ukraine is deposed on kplil behind closed doors. a lot going on. stay right there. so why treat your mouth any differently? listerine® completes the job by preventing plaque, early gum disease, and killing up to 99.9% of germs. try listerine® and for on-the-go, try listerine® ready! tabs™

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so, folks, if you missed this moment you do want to watch it. dramatic, highly emotional. i can't say i've ever seen anything like this in a courtroom. >> i never have. >> this in dallas just moments after former police officer amber guyger was handed a ten-year science sentenentencedg an unarmed black man, his brother confronted her directly. have a look. >> i love you as a person.

and i don't wish anything bad on you. i don't know if this is possible, but i can give her a hug, please? please? >> yes. >> wow. the judge, tammy kemp, also hugged guyger and then gave her that bible. jean's father, meanwhile, spoke to cnn last hour. he says of course he is hurting in deep pain and describes his son and their entire family, though, as for giving.

>> grew up in church, he loved to sing. that was amazing to watch him develop into the great song leader. i call him the gentle giant because of his size, but he was so soft and just embrace everyone. >> of course he said his son's death is still very fresh, but also that he has no hatred for guyger and would, if you can believe it, like to befriend her. good morning, everyone. top of the hour, i'm poppy harlow. >> and i'm jim sciutto. right now the first witness in the impeachment inquiry is on capitol hill testifying. kurt volker, former u.s. special envoy to ukraine spoke behind closed doors in front of three committees. we're learning that dozens of pages were delivered ahead of his deposition this morning. >> this was all sparked by president trump's