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all good. >> -- robert costello claims he met with michael cohen when michael cohen was first shopping for a criminal defense attorney to represent him in the stormy daniels case. and michael cohen told him that he paid off stormy daniels on his own without involving donald trump. here is attorney robert costello after he testified to the manhattan grand jury monday, claiming he contradicted michael cohen's testimony to that grandeur. >> and i listen to michael cohen standard from the courthouse and say things that are directly contrary to what he said to us. my obligation is to bring the truth to both the district attorney and to trump's lawyers. that's exactly what i did. i sent of all of this material that i talked about before. i have 330 emails in chronological order. i have a memo of a contemporaneous memo of the first meeting at the regency hotel. i have a memo of the two hour meeting i had to assistant united states attorneys and two fbi agents in april of 2019. but i have a memo of a meeting that i had in may of 2019, with the house intelligence committee. through their staffe
all good. >> -- robert costello claims he met with michael cohen when michael cohen was first shopping for a criminal defense attorney to represent him in the stormy daniels case. and michael cohen told him that he paid off stormy daniels on his own without involving donald trump. here is attorney robert costello after he testified to the manhattan grand jury monday, claiming he contradicted michael cohen's testimony to that grandeur. >> and i listen to michael cohen standard from...
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and he was there to contradict michael cohen. and he said that he had told a number of people, apparently, about this difference. his view of michael cohen's testimony a while ago. and the very last night he mentioned all these names. the very last name one of the very last names he mentioned was dan goldman. he met with dan goldman monday and goldman was on the staff of a house committee, met with him about michael cohen and stormy daniels and that whole thing and so tonight is the night. >> tonight is the night. >> we get to ask dan goldman, what was that all about? >> i want to know. >> what did that guy mean? >> i want to know what other lawyers think. i would very much like to know what dan goldman has to tell you. >> that's what we're gonna find out in this hour. thank you alex. well don trump has made it through another day of his life without being indicted. it could be the last indictment free day of donald trump's life. and trump supporters have made it through another day of their lives without protesting for donald tr
and he was there to contradict michael cohen. and he said that he had told a number of people, apparently, about this difference. his view of michael cohen's testimony a while ago. and the very last night he mentioned all these names. the very last name one of the very last names he mentioned was dan goldman. he met with dan goldman monday and goldman was on the staff of a house committee, met with him about michael cohen and stormy daniels and that whole thing and so tonight is the night....
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s office that i had a lot of information on michael cohen, none of which was good for michael cohen. i saw him on tv making statements that donald trump directed this and donald trump directed that. that statement that you put up on the screen earlier and read from, from february of 2018, that is very similar to what michael cohen told myself and my law partner. it's not just one onone with me. it's two-on-one and we took notes. that statement from february of 2018 that you just read is very, very similar. except for the fact that in april of 2018 when we met with him, he was suicidal. the mine was beside himself. his apartment and his law office had been searched pursuant to a warrant by the fbi. he said to us that his world is over. his family life is destroyed, his business life is destroyed. he was absolutely destroyed. he looked like he hadn't slept in a couple days. then he told us, by the way, i was up on the roof, the weekend before, which i think was one or two days before, seriously considering jumping off the roof. when i heard that, i didn't know whether he was being a dr
s office that i had a lot of information on michael cohen, none of which was good for michael cohen. i saw him on tv making statements that donald trump directed this and donald trump directed that. that statement that you put up on the screen earlier and read from, from february of 2018, that is very similar to what michael cohen told myself and my law partner. it's not just one onone with me. it's two-on-one and we took notes. that statement from february of 2018 that you just read is very,...
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castella says that he met with michael cohen in 2018 after michael cohen's home and office was subject to a search warrant by the fbi, when michael cohen was shopping for a criminal defense lawyer and that michael cohen was in a legal panic at the time. >> he was really files old, he looked like he hadn't slept in four or five days, and he just suddenly stopped in the middle of talking to someone pointed at us and said i want you guys to know, i will do whatever the f it takes, i will never spend one day in jail. he must have said that close to 20 times. this was his mantra, all day long. do you think a guy who has his mindset at that time, i -- shoot somebody, whatever it takes i am not going to jail? we went to jail. and now he is on the revenge tour. understand it, but i don't condone it. and that is why i went in there today to tell these people the truth about who the real michael cohen's, and what he was actually saying at that moment. >> mr. cartel stella said that michael cohen had signed a waiver with attorney client privilege in 2018 that allows him to now testify about his d
castella says that he met with michael cohen in 2018 after michael cohen's home and office was subject to a search warrant by the fbi, when michael cohen was shopping for a criminal defense lawyer and that michael cohen was in a legal panic at the time. >> he was really files old, he looked like he hadn't slept in four or five days, and he just suddenly stopped in the middle of talking to someone pointed at us and said i want you guys to know, i will do whatever the f it takes, i will...
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i think it's clear he needs michael cohen and he's going to rely on michael cohen. and as i said, john, that's a risky proposition. regardless of whether one may think michael cohen has turned himself around and i believe he has we heard earlier a clip of his lawyer saying this was entirely a personal payment and had nothing to do with contribution. you know who else who said that, michael cohen to the ftc. he'll have to explain why hut he said back then was a lie and why he should be believed. difficult jury to put in front of a witness of 12 average citizens. >> how likely is an indictment here? >> it seems very likely given the stage ware at, given michael cohen seems tuesday be one of the final witnesses and the d.a. has given donald trump now essentially his last chance to go into the grand jury. so i do think it's quite likely bordering uncertain we'll see an indictment soon. but i'll stress this every time i talk about the possibility of an indictment of donald trump, an indictment and conviction are two very important things. >> and one book related question
i think it's clear he needs michael cohen and he's going to rely on michael cohen. and as i said, john, that's a risky proposition. regardless of whether one may think michael cohen has turned himself around and i believe he has we heard earlier a clip of his lawyer saying this was entirely a personal payment and had nothing to do with contribution. you know who else who said that, michael cohen to the ftc. he'll have to explain why hut he said back then was a lie and why he should be believed....
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and that is what michael cohen to jail. so that's my answer district about okay, but the southern district passed , right. i mean, they said that this was trivial, according to elie honig book and he broke it . they passed on taking that alvin bragg is gonna now prosecute. elie honig is inaccurate. he's making that up. there was no quote. then why didn't the then why didn't the feds why i have to ask this? why didn't the feds prosecute for these same facts? trump because he was an incumbent president. let me repeat that. how about when he got out? how about when he got out? prosecutors never once suggested that they didn't have a case against mr trump. in fact, they declared they had the same case against trump they did against cohen. they said that trump instructed cohen to pay hush money, but they couldn't prosecute that he was incumbent president. in fact, they called him and he he's not. he's not the president. now he's not the president. now. surely they took a look at him when he got out of office. so you're absolutel
and that is what michael cohen to jail. so that's my answer district about okay, but the southern district passed , right. i mean, they said that this was trivial, according to elie honig book and he broke it . they passed on taking that alvin bragg is gonna now prosecute. elie honig is inaccurate. he's making that up. there was no quote. then why didn't the then why didn't the feds why i have to ask this? why didn't the feds prosecute for these same facts? trump because he was an incumbent...
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donald trump wrote to michael cohen to cover up that payoff. and you imagine putting your client, donald trump, on the witness stand in manhattan, in his own defense. and then you hear him say to an audience of a few thousand trump fanatics in texas, that wouldn't be the one. meaning, i, donald trump, an expert on donald trump having a an affair, insisted you that's not a person donald trump would have an affair with. and then, as donald trump's criminal defense lawyer, you listen, hoping that your client donald trump can find a way of saying i love my wife. and he's never been under more public pressure in his life to say, i love my wife. and he cannot bring himself to say it. those words do not cross his mind. if you're donald trump's lawyers, and he is indicted in the stormy daniels case in manhattan, you know that your only chance of getting a not guilty with donald trump to put him on the witness stand to try to convince that jury that the only reason he participated in the stormy granules payoff scheme was not to hide stormy daniels story
donald trump wrote to michael cohen to cover up that payoff. and you imagine putting your client, donald trump, on the witness stand in manhattan, in his own defense. and then you hear him say to an audience of a few thousand trump fanatics in texas, that wouldn't be the one. meaning, i, donald trump, an expert on donald trump having a an affair, insisted you that's not a person donald trump would have an affair with. and then, as donald trump's criminal defense lawyer, you listen, hoping that...
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but cohen is telling a different story. do you trust michael cohen then or now? he admitted he lied in a court of law and pled guilty. that is what the bragg jury will have to answer. it's baffling right now when you consider that alvin bragg is famous for handing out plea deals like candy including reduced charges for rapists and robbers. he reduced 52% of every felony case to a misdemeanor including many that were caught on tape on camera. in other words, a slam dunk conviction. if trump is charged it would be the first and only case that bragg ramped up from misdemeanor to a felony that we know of. this seems risky for mr. bragg given he only gets a conviction in about half of the felony cases he tries. 49% of the time he charges somebody and has a trial, he loses 49% of the time. one of the lowest convictions rates in the entire u.s. and 17 points lower than the last d.a. bragg must like to lose. and campaign finance violations are typically charged at the federal level. the doj declined to bring any charges against trump. in 2018 a lawyer representing michae
but cohen is telling a different story. do you trust michael cohen then or now? he admitted he lied in a court of law and pled guilty. that is what the bragg jury will have to answer. it's baffling right now when you consider that alvin bragg is famous for handing out plea deals like candy including reduced charges for rapists and robbers. he reduced 52% of every felony case to a misdemeanor including many that were caught on tape on camera. in other words, a slam dunk conviction. if trump is...
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cohen that on the same day that trump had said michael cohen won't flip publicly that because that costello sends him a note that says you have friends in high places. sleep well tonight, michael and it's in the obstruction section. the mueller report. i could even imagine that brag, introduced that for the grand jury to consider as well and that's what we're going to. we're going to find out. i mean, i suppose eventually, but what? i'm curious about fairness, you've got 23 new yorkers going in, right? they get caught. they don't get called in one day. they're called in today. so then today they're called in the afternoon. everyone anticipates a lot of reporting is going to be about trump. maybe it happens today. then we find out this grand jury is called in and it's not about trump at all. what does that say to you? that just means that this was a case. this was a grand jury that was called for multiple cases, which is very common in these long term investigatory grand juries. they're normally for one or two or three cases, so it's just business as usual, but we don't usually see it becaus
cohen that on the same day that trump had said michael cohen won't flip publicly that because that costello sends him a note that says you have friends in high places. sleep well tonight, michael and it's in the obstruction section. the mueller report. i could even imagine that brag, introduced that for the grand jury to consider as well and that's what we're going to. we're going to find out. i mean, i suppose eventually, but what? i'm curious about fairness, you've got 23 new yorkers going...
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this is from michael cohen's own lawyer to the fec. "in a private transaction in 2016 before the u.s. presidential election, mr. cohen used his own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to ms. stephanie clifford, neither the trump organization nor the trump campaign was a party to the transaction with ms. clifford. is cohen lying under oath now or during that statement to the fec? now of course at the very center of the case is a completely legal, what's called an nda, over an alleged affair from 2007. there is zero evidence whatsoever that the trump campaign paid for this nda as a matter of fact, cohen says they did not. no evidence they played a role in the nda. in fact, there is no evidence that the affair in question ever took place. people can believe what they want, there is no evidence of it. according to the washington post of all places, stormy daniels denied the affair multiple times including in writing on january 30th, 2018. this is a letter obtained by tmz. take a look at your screen., "i am not denying this a
this is from michael cohen's own lawyer to the fec. "in a private transaction in 2016 before the u.s. presidential election, mr. cohen used his own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to ms. stephanie clifford, neither the trump organization nor the trump campaign was a party to the transaction with ms. clifford. is cohen lying under oath now or during that statement to the fec? now of course at the very center of the case is a completely legal, what's called an nda, over an...
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and michael cohen, michael cohen, michael cohen is that guy. but we've all known for about a long time that if there's a prosecution, the defense will stand on the idea that michael cohen as a liar and a fraudster. and of course, the prosecution will use michael cohen likely do while cooperating with witnesses, and say, okay he may be a criminal, but it takes a criminal to catch a criminal. but beyond michael cohen, this case will be a document case. and it's true there are checks made out to michael cohen, but they are made out to michael cohen, which may bolster trump's argument that in fact it was just doing what his lawyer told him to do and paid his lawyer directly. and joe tacopina is right and that michael cohen did go in and plead guilty, and did testify to the state that the payments were made to save trump and his family harm. and he is right, under federal election law, as long as that one reason is there, he may not even matter that there are additional reasons -- helping the campaign. so, if you had family embarrassment, that trump
and michael cohen, michael cohen, michael cohen is that guy. but we've all known for about a long time that if there's a prosecution, the defense will stand on the idea that michael cohen as a liar and a fraudster. and of course, the prosecution will use michael cohen likely do while cooperating with witnesses, and say, okay he may be a criminal, but it takes a criminal to catch a criminal. but beyond michael cohen, this case will be a document case. and it's true there are checks made out to...
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the chief witness, michael cohen, is .a convicted felon. his own lawyer calls a unreliably dirt bag. so what's behind all this hatred? they tried to destroy cavanaugh triedbecause they wanted to kep the supreme court seat open. they're trying to destroy donald trump because they fear a him at the ballot box to the conservatives out there, maket sure you vote . if you got friends, make suret e they vote. if you don't have ands maky fri. go make some friends. but yobut you need to help this. donald j. trump, they're trying to drain him dry. he's spent more moneyspent n on lawyers than mostlarcen peope spend on campaigns. they're trying to bleed him drty . donald j. trump .com go to night, give the president some money to fight this. t this this bul is going to destroy dest america. we're going to fight back atame the ballotfi box. we're not going to give in. ho how does this end, sean?end? trump win in court and trump wins in court and he wins the election. that's how this wins. ends and how do you get to thirty four counts on this, in your v
the chief witness, michael cohen, is .a convicted felon. his own lawyer calls a unreliably dirt bag. so what's behind all this hatred? they tried to destroy cavanaugh triedbecause they wanted to kep the supreme court seat open. they're trying to destroy donald trump because they fear a him at the ballot box to the conservatives out there, maket sure you vote . if you got friends, make suret e they vote. if you don't have ands maky fri. go make some friends. but yobut you need to help this....
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as legal fees to michael cohen. that is some of what the manhattan grand jury is studying, they may have more evidence than we know about, in today's reports indicate, possibly, possibly because of a previously scheduled holiday break for passover and easter in the work schedule of that manhattan grand jury, the grand jury might not be meeting again until april. and to address whatever confusion you've been feeling about that news today, we are very lucky tonight to have the best available expert to talk about that. no one currently working in the district attorney's office is, of course, available to us. but we are going to start off our discussion tonight with dan horowitz, former manhattan assistant district attorney who was a top prosecutor of the white-collar crimes unit, like the possible crime is being investigated by the trump grand jury. also with us, neal katyal, former acting us solicitor general, msnbc legal analyst. neil, let me begin with you in what is the latest news of the day, that is, donald trump
as legal fees to michael cohen. that is some of what the manhattan grand jury is studying, they may have more evidence than we know about, in today's reports indicate, possibly, possibly because of a previously scheduled holiday break for passover and easter in the work schedule of that manhattan grand jury, the grand jury might not be meeting again until april. and to address whatever confusion you've been feeling about that news today, we are very lucky tonight to have the best available...
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no. >> why did michael cohen pay this if it wasn't -- >> you would have to ask michael cohen. michael is an attorney, and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know, no. >> so to get to the point where they would indict a former president over a $130,000 push money payment, what evidence do you think they have at this point to say at this point we're going to do it? >> that's one of the big questions i think a lot of us have. this is something that you know, erin, the federal prosecutors looked at, one of the issues that they came -- that they had trouble with was the idea that who are you going to use as your main witness here. and it's going to be michael cohen's word versus trump's word. we do know obviously according to cohen that the hush money payments were reimburse to him, and so there is a trail of money. there is money that prosecutors will be able to show. and perhaps you can get witnesses who can say, well, trump never pace anything unless he knows what it's for, right. he's known to be very tight-f
no. >> why did michael cohen pay this if it wasn't -- >> you would have to ask michael cohen. michael is an attorney, and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know, no. >> so to get to the point where they would indict a former president over a $130,000 push money payment, what evidence do you think they have at this point to say at this point we're going to do it? >> that's one of the big...
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i mean, costello , uh, was casting doubt on michael cohen's testimony, michael cohen had said this was hush money payment was paid in order to not have some bad news come out that could damage trump in the election. costello saying , well, michael cohen told me it was, you know michael cohen's idea, and it was to avoid melanie trump being upset. so this testimony, i think was very important to shore up the credibility of michael cohen's testimony that the payments were related to the campaign. that's the most significant testimony and that david pecker has to offer. am i where he worked entered into a nonprosecution agreement with the federal government several years ago when they were initially investigating michael cohen for these payments, and in that nonprosecution agreement, and i agreed that these were campaign related expenditures. so as part of that agreement is that does he have to show up to testify. he has to be cooperative, and so it it. presumably the federal government is asking him to be cooperative with other prosecutors as well, as i mean, does indictment. over the wee
i mean, costello , uh, was casting doubt on michael cohen's testimony, michael cohen had said this was hush money payment was paid in order to not have some bad news come out that could damage trump in the election. costello saying , well, michael cohen told me it was, you know michael cohen's idea, and it was to avoid melanie trump being upset. so this testimony, i think was very important to shore up the credibility of michael cohen's testimony that the payments were related to the campaign....
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and let me just mention about michael cohen, michael cohen in front of the country and the world on television said i'm ashamed of what i did. now i'm going to tell truth to power from my family and for my country. so whatever donald trump thinks about attacking michael's credibility, michael didn't take the fifth amendment. as mr trump did, he went into a grand jury cooperated with congressional committees. but most importantly , erin in my philosophy when somebody owns wrongdoing and says, i apologize. as elijah cummings, who ran that hearing said to me, i believe in redemption. michael collins credibility surrounded by documents. this case is about documents, not just michael. i think his testimony will be credible. alright well, lenny, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. a lanny davis with me. and of course, now elie honig joins me. our senior legal analyst, former assistant u. s attorney for the southern district of new york. what do you make of the way he sees it. very interesting interview. so first of all, mr davis is correct when he says that the motives here can be mixed. it
and let me just mention about michael cohen, michael cohen in front of the country and the world on television said i'm ashamed of what i did. now i'm going to tell truth to power from my family and for my country. so whatever donald trump thinks about attacking michael's credibility, michael didn't take the fifth amendment. as mr trump did, he went into a grand jury cooperated with congressional committees. but most importantly , erin in my philosophy when somebody owns wrongdoing and says, i...
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but michael cohen is far from solid evidence. i wouldn't have touched a guy like michael cohen, especially if he's a convicted perjurier. >> i have the proof, the documentation, the da has documentation to validate every single statement i've made. >> reporter: now, cohen was on standby yesterday to potentially go as a rebuttal witness and testify before the grand jury. he never was called to go in. and he said yesterday he did not think he would be called back. as we're waiting for a decision on whether to charge the former president by the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg. there certainly is some crowds forming around here as people wait in anticipation to see what is going to happen. boris, jessica? >> on that note, let's talk for a second about security. we've seen various precautions they're taking, but walk us through those and explain what's being done in case donald trump is, in fact, indicted. >> reporter: right now the nypd has a lot more uniform officers on the street. we've seen a big uptick in presence here o
but michael cohen is far from solid evidence. i wouldn't have touched a guy like michael cohen, especially if he's a convicted perjurier. >> i have the proof, the documentation, the da has documentation to validate every single statement i've made. >> reporter: now, cohen was on standby yesterday to potentially go as a rebuttal witness and testify before the grand jury. he never was called to go in. and he said yesterday he did not think he would be called back. as we're waiting for...
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is it all about michael cohen? >> as it not all about michael cohen. after being outside the manhattan criminal court all week, it's clear, based on our conversations with sources, that the district attorney has documents in his possession that would be central to any case he eventually decides to mount, should it move in that direction, that it's not just about michael cohen's testimony. so often we hear about this case and we hear michael cohen's testimony would be the keystone for any sort of prosecution. it would certainly be critical but not the only component. >> do we have any details about what might be in those records? >> to build on rikki's point, we are hearing there are business records, e-mails, financial records, that district attorney has compiled, this is not just about bringing in michael cohen and bob costello, but we wonder who else is going to come in this week. we spoke to bob costello the final witness last night, and he told cbs news he does not expect to be called this week. >> bob costa, we'll continue to follow this story and
is it all about michael cohen? >> as it not all about michael cohen. after being outside the manhattan criminal court all week, it's clear, based on our conversations with sources, that the district attorney has documents in his possession that would be central to any case he eventually decides to mount, should it move in that direction, that it's not just about michael cohen's testimony. so often we hear about this case and we hear michael cohen's testimony would be the keystone for any...
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as michael cohen is . this letter here is so devastating to their case because it is them representing to a federal agency, the fec, the federal election commission ,that this was done without any thought of the campaign. of course it wasn't. look, i've said this before. anything that they're saying, assuming was 100%. okay, cohen and bragge and all that, it still does not make it a crime. because there's no campaign finance law violation here at all. if you take michael cohen in his own words and you have an opportunity to cross-examine him or i see a lot of, you know, joy came right to old case. there will be no meat left on that bone. ketanji al tv. but you're dealing with a convicted felon, an admitted liar, a serial liar, okay? and he was charged and imprisoned as a result. okay, how does he become their star witness? it's funny, i don't know, because alan breg, only a couple of months ago, if you read pomerance book and if there's any truth to that book, they call the time because they call zombie. b
as michael cohen is . this letter here is so devastating to their case because it is them representing to a federal agency, the fec, the federal election commission ,that this was done without any thought of the campaign. of course it wasn't. look, i've said this before. anything that they're saying, assuming was 100%. okay, cohen and bragge and all that, it still does not make it a crime. because there's no campaign finance law violation here at all. if you take michael cohen in his own words...
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now lanny davis, attorney from michael cohen is back with me. and obviously lanny and i spoke last night on the news of the indictment. so you just heard jim trustee. he's very confident he thinks they're going to be able to get this case dismissed. based on your exposure to this grand jury, your client's exposure, obviously, and the evidence in this case that you are aware of beyond your client, michael cohen, do you think that there is a chance of motion to dismiss could be successful very small because there's so much factual dispute on the material issues doesn't deprive a jury of making a decision. a motion to dismiss is a decision to deprive a trial by jury. and that's a very high standard. as a lawyer. it's very rare that a judge will deny a jury the right to decide factual disputes. i do want to correct the record. it's very important that i do. so you seem to respect this gentleman. i don't know him. who is the defense attorney for mr trump, but he got a basic fact wrong and he probably knows better and just didn't just misspoke. nobody
now lanny davis, attorney from michael cohen is back with me. and obviously lanny and i spoke last night on the news of the indictment. so you just heard jim trustee. he's very confident he thinks they're going to be able to get this case dismissed. based on your exposure to this grand jury, your client's exposure, obviously, and the evidence in this case that you are aware of beyond your client, michael cohen, do you think that there is a chance of motion to dismiss could be successful very...
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cohen, that it becomes whole picks, michael cohen, and on trump. the only way, it seems to me for trump to counter what we'v pretty much no will beat michael cohen's testimony abou michael cohen's communicatio with donald trump, is fo donald trump to take the witness stand, which is of course the biggest possibl challenge you could ever present to donald trump, to pu him under holes and hope tha she could possibly get off the witness stand without bein charged with perjury >> and bring him to heal the way a good cross examiner ca do and force him to answer he has to testify, but h cannot testify like so much else, this is all bound up now in the politics and he would be trul humiliated having into follow closely that the prosecuto would hold him under the alternative -- first of all, your hundred percent right, and there are people already in the da's office preparing a binder like this and relishing the prospec of him taking the stand. but probably, and they may pretend, that if it goes t trial that he will testify my best guess is that they wil r
cohen, that it becomes whole picks, michael cohen, and on trump. the only way, it seems to me for trump to counter what we'v pretty much no will beat michael cohen's testimony abou michael cohen's communicatio with donald trump, is fo donald trump to take the witness stand, which is of course the biggest possibl challenge you could ever present to donald trump, to pu him under holes and hope tha she could possibly get off the witness stand without bein charged with perjury >> and bring...
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letter from motorcycle allingal cohen's attorney that i read and michael cohen's statement that echos that. third thing stormy danielle in writing admitting it was not hush money. yol here is the kicker even if everything they said was true. whatever version of truth. michael cohen is a walking contradiction incapable of telling the same story twice. >> i bet you are nervous. >> i'm horrified i will be so nervous. i modify to pay trump to do that instead of the other way. that guy is a pathological y. don't make that deal. he will hold me to that t. it is done. he has a need for media attention. pled guilt tow criminal conduct and not just the hush money thing pled gallon tow lito congress. liing to the banks in his taxi medallion fraud. you know now. yoom like low irs. so he's a pathological liar and you know he is now reborn. and he is on ms nbc and their big star. i wander about the fact that he is on ms nbc yet now say nothing his book he was only forced plead guilty he is not accepting responsible. i will have a fold day >> he pled guilty. he was saying he was forcing to plea gui
letter from motorcycle allingal cohen's attorney that i read and michael cohen's statement that echos that. third thing stormy danielle in writing admitting it was not hush money. yol here is the kicker even if everything they said was true. whatever version of truth. michael cohen is a walking contradiction incapable of telling the same story twice. >> i bet you are nervous. >> i'm horrified i will be so nervous. i modify to pay trump to do that instead of the other way. that guy...
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. >> all eyes on the grand jury, as michael cohen testifies against his former boss. tonight, just how close ar prosecutors to indicting the e president. plus, how a handpicked conservative judge effectively hid an abortion pill hearing from the public. and as trump tackles desanti head on in iowa, hear th softball interviews. >> i'll tell you, you know, as governor, and if you are determined executive, you ca make things happen, and we'v done that in florida >> when all in starts righ now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening, everyone. from new york, i am ayma mohyeldin in for chris hayes there is a lot going on tonigh at this hour, as we watch tw big stories develop. earlier today, in manhattan, donald trump's former personal lawyer and fixer michael cohen testified for three hours in front of a grand jur investigation into the e president. we're gonna have a lot more on that story coming up but, first, to the potential economic crisis that unfolde over the weekend the federal government is no stepping in. it is taking extensive measure to shore up confidence all of this in
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and now here you are hearing michael cohen might be brought in again today. tomorrow i'm sorry as to kind of seal the deal. it appears it's unclear what would be going on here. what do you think is happening? i think they're having a little mini trial in the grand jury. grand juries are usually what they call bare bones presentations. you put the small amount of evidence in because the proof is much smaller. it's you just have to have probable cause that a crime occurred, but this is a much more fulsome presentation. you've had witnesses testified for long periods of time. and you had mr costello come in for almost three hours, so i think it's important to have to bring michael cohen back into for any questions the grand jury might have. and to rebut what was said by mr costello. okay so interesting stories in many trial, ryan. i guess the question i would have, then is, you know, everyone has said look, michael cohen is a convicted liar. so if you believe what he says or not, you would need other corroborating evidence. but then i'm thinking, gosh, they're s
and now here you are hearing michael cohen might be brought in again today. tomorrow i'm sorry as to kind of seal the deal. it appears it's unclear what would be going on here. what do you think is happening? i think they're having a little mini trial in the grand jury. grand juries are usually what they call bare bones presentations. you put the small amount of evidence in because the proof is much smaller. it's you just have to have probable cause that a crime occurred, but this is a much...
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cohen and donald trump, because if you recall michael cohen paid off stormy daniels $130, 000, really to very deeply damaging information about donald trump, hide that from the american voters. and we now know that when he, michael cohen, called donald trump to say, in a very real sense, boss, the climbers complete, apparently he didn't get to talk too long, trumpet kellyanne conway called him back, and what did she say? quote, i will pass on the good news. what she was saying was, she was going to pass on the news from michael cohen to donald trump, that mission accomplished. stormy daniels has been silenced. i think one of the important questions that da brags prosecutors will have to ask themselves is, was kellyanne conway knowingly in the conspiratorial loop, or was she unknowingly in the conspiratorial loop? either way, it's another important piece of the puzzle on the campaign finance violations that michael cohen has already testified he committed at the direction of and for the benefit of donald trump. >> you know, do you expect man prosecutors will meet with stormy daniels? >
cohen and donald trump, because if you recall michael cohen paid off stormy daniels $130, 000, really to very deeply damaging information about donald trump, hide that from the american voters. and we now know that when he, michael cohen, called donald trump to say, in a very real sense, boss, the climbers complete, apparently he didn't get to talk too long, trumpet kellyanne conway called him back, and what did she say? quote, i will pass on the good news. what she was saying was, she was...
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>> why did michael cohen make that? >> you have to ask michael cohen, michael's my attorney. you have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where you got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know. >> that turned out to not be true, maggie, it's interesting, the same office was looking at other potential charges against the former president. the district attorney chose not to pursue those. travis prosecutors resigned in the wake of, that this is now what they have. >> look, when i think michael cohen would say, as a witness and has said before, he lied on trump's behalf. i think you hear him say that in this case. you did have alvin bragg decide not to bring a prosecution against trump in connection with his actual business, despite proceeding against his business, they got a conviction across the board, in 17 counts in that case. it's different when you're prosecuting a company that is prosecuting a man. i do think it's worth noting here, putting aside issues of michael cohen specifically, or are the perspective thinness of the case. take it all together, it requires 12
>> why did michael cohen make that? >> you have to ask michael cohen, michael's my attorney. you have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where you got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know. >> that turned out to not be true, maggie, it's interesting, the same office was looking at other potential charges against the former president. the district attorney chose not to pursue those. travis prosecutors resigned in the wake of, that this is now what they...
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but michael cohen is far from solid evidence. this guy, by any prosecutor standard, and i used to be deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york, i wouldn't have touched a guy like michael cohen, especially if he's a convicted perjur. >> he served time for that. he admitted to paying $130,000 to stormy daniels just before the 2016 election to stop her from going public about an alleged affair with trump. now, the payment itself is not illegal. what matters here is whether it was improperly classified or not. and trump's hope is that costello could turn around an impending indictment and get alvin bragg, the manhattan district attorney, who's remain tight-lipped about the details of this investigation, to back off. so did costello deliver for trump? well, tonight the entire nation is on edge and waiting as trump stands by claims that he's hours away now from being arrested, and he is now calling on his supporters to protest in new york police setting up security cameras and barricades in washington o
but michael cohen is far from solid evidence. this guy, by any prosecutor standard, and i used to be deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york, i wouldn't have touched a guy like michael cohen, especially if he's a convicted perjur. >> he served time for that. he admitted to paying $130,000 to stormy daniels just before the 2016 election to stop her from going public about an alleged affair with trump. now, the payment itself is not illegal. what matters...
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he wasn't former trump fixer michael cohen joins me liv tonight. then - >> the greatest threat t western civilization today i not russia, it's probably, mor than anything else, ourselves. >> trump goes after the enem within as the internationa criminal court issues an arres warrant for vladimir putin plus, the massive oil projec approved in alaska, despit biden's campaign promise >> and by the way, no more drilling on federal lands, period, period, period >> when all in starts, right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. we are standing on the precipice of potentially seein the first ever criminal charge against former president as the manhattan distric attorney weighs an indictmen of donald trump. today nbc learned news learned that local state federal law enforcement security agencie are preparing for th possibility that trump will be indicted as early as next week they are conducting preliminar security assessments, and ar discussing potential securit plans in and around th manhattan criminal court i case trump is charged in conne
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michael cohen. and there is no doubt about it they were involved in this hus money scheme to gather to, you know, keep stormy daniel quiet. to deprive the american voters of sharply and deeply damaging information about donald trump in essence, robbing the voters of the full value of their votes. so i think the fact that we se michael cohen finally goin into the grand jury after 20 meetings with the prosecutors, it tells us that alvin bragg's team is at the end game. and of course they invited donald trump in, which is th absolute last task that we wil do in this kind of investigation to give th target an opportunity to convince the grand jurors that no, no, no, the prosecutor have it all wrong. i didn't do anything wrong and did not commit any crimes. not surprisingly, donald trump didn't accept that invitation. >> the, there was speculatio that in addition to a violatio of business records lost in ne york, which is a misdemeanor the prosecutors will want to have a felony attached to that which con
michael cohen. and there is no doubt about it they were involved in this hus money scheme to gather to, you know, keep stormy daniel quiet. to deprive the american voters of sharply and deeply damaging information about donald trump in essence, robbing the voters of the full value of their votes. so i think the fact that we se michael cohen finally goin into the grand jury after 20 meetings with the prosecutors, it tells us that alvin bragg's team is at the end game. and of course they invited...
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i can't get enough of michael cohen's accent. you know the murderer of but but, you know, i do think, though he's getting something wrong about donald trump, and i had a few interactions with him. not as many as lee has had but what struck me when i interacted with donald trump is that he is a true believer in the conspiracy theories and the extremist views that guide his governing philosophy and his policy beliefs. and i do truly believe at this point that he believes that we as a country or at civil war between red and blue, and that he is under attack. by the left, and in a sense, i think that he is becoming increasingly motivated by that not fearful, and that's what i find so frightening right now, because there is this potential that january 6th was a prelude. we have to constantly think back to and i appreciate it the very beginning of this segment that congressman zeldin called again for peaceful expressions of protest if those moments of protests come about, because donald trump certainly will not call for that, congressm
i can't get enough of michael cohen's accent. you know the murderer of but but, you know, i do think, though he's getting something wrong about donald trump, and i had a few interactions with him. not as many as lee has had but what struck me when i interacted with donald trump is that he is a true believer in the conspiracy theories and the extremist views that guide his governing philosophy and his policy beliefs. and i do truly believe at this point that he believes that we as a country or...
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. -- saying, well, hey, it sounds like what michael cohen did is a very serious crime, with donald trump. i guess that's video donald trump hadn't seen before -- >> hiring joe tacopina -- and now alvin bragg has -- joe tacopina -- which could literally take joe tacopina off of this case. -- trump's defense. >> and alex, during your hour, there's been a huge development in washington and jack smith's investigation and the grand jury -- ultra fast-tracked appeal process going on. luckily, we've got andrew weissmann here and others to discuss this. and later in the hour, because i am wondering how donald trump was feeling tonight, and because everyone who works for donald trump is a liar for donald trump, i don't rely on what the trump staff says, like the new york times does, about how donald trump is -- i'm going to ask them mary trump tonight. >> oh! >> -- how her uncle is feeling as they close in on him and prosecutors, officers, all across the country. >> that, lawrence, is called a deep cut and a must watch segment. i will be tuning in for than. >> thanks, alex. >> see you! >> -- for
. -- saying, well, hey, it sounds like what michael cohen did is a very serious crime, with donald trump. i guess that's video donald trump hadn't seen before -- >> hiring joe tacopina -- and now alvin bragg has -- joe tacopina -- which could literally take joe tacopina off of this case. -- trump's defense. >> and alex, during your hour, there's been a huge development in washington and jack smith's investigation and the grand jury -- ultra fast-tracked appeal process going on....
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>> no, no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> well, you have to ask michael cohen. michael's my attorney and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know when where he got to the money to make that payment? >> i don't know, no. >> that turned out not to be true. maggie, it's interesting because this same office was looking at other potential charges against the former president. they -- the district attorney chose not to pursue those, two of his prosecutors resigned in the wake of that, and this is now what they have. >> look, and what i think michael cohen would say as a witness and has said before is he lied on trump's behalf. and i think you would hear him say that in this case. you did have allen bragg decide not to bring prosecution against trump despite preceding in his business and they got conviction across the board in 17 counts in that case. it's different when you're prosecuting a faceless company than it is prosecuting a man. i do think it's worth noting here putting aside issues of michael cohen specifically or the perspective thinness of the case.
>> no, no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> well, you have to ask michael cohen. michael's my attorney and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know when where he got to the money to make that payment? >> i don't know, no. >> that turned out not to be true. maggie, it's interesting because this same office was looking at other potential charges against the former president. they -- the district attorney chose not to pursue those, two of his...
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you heard michael cohen coming out today moments ago. what's your response to him? >> i mean, look, allen bragg once said and i hope he remembers these words, he can't see a world in which he would base a prosecution of donald trump on the word of a convicted perjurer and felon like michael cohen. he's still a convicted perjurer and he's someone who is convicted of lying and it's not about vengeance. it's all about vengeance for him and putting that aside, erin. here's the question. does anyone actually believe, anyone, left, right, middle, whatever that if someone else were accused of paying hush money to avoid a public sex scandal in the manner that donald trump is allegeded to have avoided a public sex scandal they would be prosecute, the answer is 100% no. and we cannot as a society, pro-trump, anti-trump, left, right, want the weaponization of the justice system or a prosecutor's office to pursue political opponents with -- with rule of law. it's just not right and that's exactly what's happening here. >> i want to ask you about that, but first on the point you
you heard michael cohen coming out today moments ago. what's your response to him? >> i mean, look, allen bragg once said and i hope he remembers these words, he can't see a world in which he would base a prosecution of donald trump on the word of a convicted perjurer and felon like michael cohen. he's still a convicted perjurer and he's someone who is convicted of lying and it's not about vengeance. it's all about vengeance for him and putting that aside, erin. here's the question. does...
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he happens to be a former legal adviser to michael cohen. who admitted to paying out the 130,000 dollar to stormy daniels. now castella and cola both fear today about having criminal courthouse, where a grand juries investigating that scheme. only costello testify today though. he appeared at the request of trump's team to counter cohen's testimony. he was there for nearly three hours, cohen was available for a battle but ended up not being needed according to his lawyer. the question of course did costello say anything today that would prevent trump from being charged in this game. he says he told gradually that cohen wants told him specifically that trump flat out did not know about the payment. >> that's what he said at the time, is it true, i don't know. >> did he tell the grand jury? that >> yes, i did. but i needed to force that into an answer. >> now, cohen blasted costello for making, quote false statements about, him during his testimony. >> bob costello, if he was anymore imaginary in the statements that are coming out of his, mult
he happens to be a former legal adviser to michael cohen. who admitted to paying out the 130,000 dollar to stormy daniels. now castella and cola both fear today about having criminal courthouse, where a grand juries investigating that scheme. only costello testify today though. he appeared at the request of trump's team to counter cohen's testimony. he was there for nearly three hours, cohen was available for a battle but ended up not being needed according to his lawyer. the question of course...
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and ryan, so michael cohen was not asked to testify. he was there to be prepared for a rebuttal, costello testified, and then they said they did not need michael cohen, which we'll see if that's significant, but then cohen obviously went out and gave a television interview, and here's what he said. >> typical donald j. trump play out of the playbook, figure out how you're going to muddy the water as best as you possibly can, denigrate the person, disparage them, they did the same thing to cassidy hutchinson, they did the same thing to anyone and everyone that is for the truth. >> so he goes on to say the beauty is that i have facts. okay? now, obviously you heard what john sails said about costello about his reputation, but what does this come down to then for a grand jury? >> so i think in part it might come down to cohen testifying but then what is there to corroborate what he has to say. prosecutors often have to include accomplices to the crime or some bad actors, especially when they're prosecuting, for example, organized crime, so
and ryan, so michael cohen was not asked to testify. he was there to be prepared for a rebuttal, costello testified, and then they said they did not need michael cohen, which we'll see if that's significant, but then cohen obviously went out and gave a television interview, and here's what he said. >> typical donald j. trump play out of the playbook, figure out how you're going to muddy the water as best as you possibly can, denigrate the person, disparage them, they did the same thing to...
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a few months ago, he would not have trusted michael cohen for anything. there is no world -- >> joe tacopina, why would anyone trust cohen? the man is convicted of perjury and lying to congress. now, all of a sudden there is as problem with donald trump. joe tacopina, i must tell you, this is making america a banana republican of the term of our system and inequity that's going on. stay in touch with us and let us know what you hear in this and whether or not this will go forward. yyou yy yyou senses that it will? >> i still hope. i hope that some sort of sanity is going to -- i am holding out hope that justice will prevail. if it happens, there is no charge. it is a case that'll die. this will be a lasting stay on the legacy. they won't play this case, i promise you that. they'll not win this case. we'll win it on the law and the facts and wherever we go, we'll win this case. >> joe tacopina, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >>> the past several years, new york county have been busy investigating every aspect of donald trump's life. the old sovi
a few months ago, he would not have trusted michael cohen for anything. there is no world -- >> joe tacopina, why would anyone trust cohen? the man is convicted of perjury and lying to congress. now, all of a sudden there is as problem with donald trump. joe tacopina, i must tell you, this is making america a banana republican of the term of our system and inequity that's going on. stay in touch with us and let us know what you hear in this and whether or not this will go forward. yyou yy...
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>> michael cohen is the lynch p linchpin in this case here. there's a little bit of truth that they didn't like michael cohen as a key witness. but also in his book, he said that the reason why the fed dropped the investigation into donald trump was because bill barr told them to do so. also remember, the department of justice has an internal policy against indicting a sitting president. why didn't the sdny prosecute trump for this after bill barr left? and i think the answer is by that time, you had january 6th and so there are a lot of bigger fish to fry involving donald trump than this matter. so i don't think costello's explanation really holds water. and i don't think he made a very good witness in front of the grand jury which is is why the prosecutors didn't call michael cohen back as a rebuttal witness. >> elliot, i wanted to ask you about that. they didn't call back imagine cohen after hearing that testimony from costello. what do you read into that and also what do you think -- how do you think the next several days will play out? >>
>> michael cohen is the lynch p linchpin in this case here. there's a little bit of truth that they didn't like michael cohen as a key witness. but also in his book, he said that the reason why the fed dropped the investigation into donald trump was because bill barr told them to do so. also remember, the department of justice has an internal policy against indicting a sitting president. why didn't the sdny prosecute trump for this after bill barr left? and i think the answer is by that...
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michael cohen's house was raided by the fbi in 2018, robert costello sent an email to michael cohen saying, quote, sleep well you have friends in high places. later, it was referenced that it was donald trump he represented st ed steve bann is currently representing rudy giuliani robert costello continues to have deep ties to the maga world here for michael cohen, there's a reason that the manhattan district attorney has him on standby, ready to come back in before that grand jury here later this afternoon to potentially rebut costello's own testimony. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you very much for that insight >>> still ahead on "morning joe," we go live to baghdad on the 20-year anniversary of the u.s. invasion of iraq. >>> plus, china's president is in moscow this morning for meetings with russian president vladimir putin surrounding the war in ukraine, we'll get a live report from beijing straight ahead you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. veryday pro. ...designed smarter. like a smart coffee grinder - that orders fresh beans for you. oh, genius! for more breakthroug
michael cohen's house was raided by the fbi in 2018, robert costello sent an email to michael cohen saying, quote, sleep well you have friends in high places. later, it was referenced that it was donald trump he represented st ed steve bann is currently representing rudy giuliani robert costello continues to have deep ties to the maga world here for michael cohen, there's a reason that the manhattan district attorney has him on standby, ready to come back in before that grand jury here later...
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evidence that michael cohen committed a crime, at the request of president, trump and for the benefit of president, trump they never charge president trump, and that was flexing for a long time. but we do now, with the benefit of hindsight, we now have clarity on how that came to pass we now know because the u.s. attorney at the sdny right now has spilled the beans about it we now know that trump's appointees at the department of justice ordered sdny to stop the investigation to stop that case after michael cohen was charged according to former u.s. attorney jeffrey berman the trump justice department repeatedly interfered with a hush money investigation for mineral book about it this fills it all out he said when bill barr took control he not only tried to but incredibly he suggested that michael cohen's conviction ought to be reversed barr summon fd and why officials to challenge the basis of cohen's plea and the reason behind pursuing similar campaign charges against other individuals so why did federal prosecutors never pursue this against donald trump will estimate why was ordere
evidence that michael cohen committed a crime, at the request of president, trump and for the benefit of president, trump they never charge president trump, and that was flexing for a long time. but we do now, with the benefit of hindsight, we now have clarity on how that came to pass we now know because the u.s. attorney at the sdny right now has spilled the beans about it we now know that trump's appointees at the department of justice ordered sdny to stop the investigation to stop that case...
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a federal prosecutor who sent michael cohen to prison for facilitating the stormy daniels hush money conspiracy theory said michael cohen committed his crimes in coordination with, and at the direction of, individual one. individual one of course is donald trump. prosecutors said the conspiracy was designed to quote, affect the presidential election. without the crimes michael cohen committed in coordination with and at the direction of donald trump to silence stormy daniels this country, and the world, might never have had to endure for years of a donald trump presidency. something to keep in mind when you are trying to decide which of the criminal investigations and, prosecutions of donald trump, is the most important. leading off our discussion tonight charles coleman a former federal prosecutor and former senior assistant district attorney in brooklyn new york. he is now a civil rights attorney at msnbc legal analyst and also with us andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the criminal division in the eastern district of new york. he is a professor of pra
a federal prosecutor who sent michael cohen to prison for facilitating the stormy daniels hush money conspiracy theory said michael cohen committed his crimes in coordination with, and at the direction of, individual one. individual one of course is donald trump. prosecutors said the conspiracy was designed to quote, affect the presidential election. without the crimes michael cohen committed in coordination with and at the direction of donald trump to silence stormy daniels this country, and...