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in that case joining me now is arizona's governor katie hobbs, governor. thank you very much for joining us. i wonder what is your reaction to? >> the state's criminal charges now against trump allies, but also the decision not to trump to charge trump himself well, as secretary of state, i oversaw free fair secure elections in arizona and defended the votes of millions of arizonans. i am confident that attorney general mays conducted a fair and impartial investigation and grand jury process. and now the justice system will do its job the alleged actions of these extremists are shameful. they undermine the election process in our state and i hope to see them held accountable i do want to turn now to a huge issue in your state, which is the big moment in the state legislature, the house and arizona voting to overturn that civil war era abortion ban. the truth is, most republicans in your state and the legislature's still support the law remaining on the books, only three voted with democrats so why do you think that today ultimately was different for the fe
in that case joining me now is arizona's governor katie hobbs, governor. thank you very much for joining us. i wonder what is your reaction to? >> the state's criminal charges now against trump allies, but also the decision not to trump to charge trump himself well, as secretary of state, i oversaw free fair secure elections in arizona and defended the votes of millions of arizonans. i am confident that attorney general mays conducted a fair and impartial investigation and grand jury...
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i opposed today's ruling and i'm calling on katie hobbs and the state legislature to come up with an immediate common sense solution and then marianna, to your point, here's what ciscomani said. today's ruling is a disaster for women and providers. i'm a strong supporter of empowering women to make their own health care choices. and i oppose a national ban. >> yeah, listen, i mean, we should point out the kari lake and 2022 praise this law of 18 64 law and said you know, it could be a model for other states. she's in a very different position now. she wants carrie katie hobbs would do something differently she's prevailing on some of the same republicans who were in the state legislature, who also pushed for that 18, 64 law. and what's remarkable about this is the justices in arizona had a choice. they could go with 18, 64, or they could go with 2022. the 2022 law being 15 week ban vitro suppose 18, 64, right. you have democrats who really want to say that republicans or radical that they want to take the country back in. listen, they have been delivered a gift by the state supreme c
i opposed today's ruling and i'm calling on katie hobbs and the state legislature to come up with an immediate common sense solution and then marianna, to your point, here's what ciscomani said. today's ruling is a disaster for women and providers. i'm a strong supporter of empowering women to make their own health care choices. and i oppose a national ban. >> yeah, listen, i mean, we should point out the kari lake and 2022 praise this law of 18 64 law and said you know, it could be a...
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they're going after contraception this doesn't stop at abortion there's one governor, katie hobbs. i appreciate your time. thank you >> thank you. so now >> by maggie hebrew, senior political correspondent, the new york times and frank lunch, a republican pollster and communication strategies. so magazine we mentioned the foreign presence campaign said the position is that should be up to the state's. does he think? >> i mean, he clearly thought he could leave it at that yesterday, avoid maybe taking a position on your total bans like arizona's that does not include exceptions for rape and incest anderson, i think that he and his aides thought that he was going to have more than a day of buying time with that >> statement yesterday, a statement that was not clarifying. i mean, it was it was saying that it should or will be left up to the states. he didn't address where he is on a federal ban or if he would sign a federal ban of such a thing were to pass. however steep the odds are in washington, if he were president. and so now he's going to have to address this span. the argument
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if you could stand by for us because actually, governor katie hobbs in arizona, they're just reacting to this ruling. let's listen to what she said >> we don't need to call a special session to legislature is in session right now, and they can do this right now. they can do it today. and they should, they should listen to their constituents nine out of ten arizona to support access to abortion and do the right thing so that we are not living under the confusion and chaos and lack of access to health care that's needed as you heard from this two stories they can do it right now. >> all right. there you here at governor hobbs saying they don't need to call a special session, the legislature is already in session and could clear this up but obviously, that is very much in question. >> misty marris. thank you so much for being with us. obviously, a lot of breaking news here too. they is the arizona supreme court has said that the state has to go all the way back to this law 123 years old. but actually even older in its original formation all the way back the civil war, that makes abortion
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hobbs said, she's ready to fight for the fight over reproductive rights. >> and then near total civil war era ban that continues to hang over our heads only serves to create more chaos for women and doctors in our state as governor, i promised i would do everything in my power to protect our reproductive freedom >> all right, are panels here now, former senator doug jones, david froms, staff writer for the atlantic and sure. michael singleton, former deputy chief of staff at hud in the trump administration welcome all. thank you very much for being here. david, from i want to give you the first word on this as you look at how this played out in arizona, it's it's almost the perfect storm and encapsulation of this issue in a single situation, a law from 18, 64 being reinstated well, the abortion debate is one of the rare cases in 20 american 2024 were american democracy and politics are working the way they're supposed to so long as roe v. wade was in place, it created perverse incentives for everyone in politics. it radicalized people wanted to restrict abortion rights and gave them v
hobbs said, she's ready to fight for the fight over reproductive rights. >> and then near total civil war era ban that continues to hang over our heads only serves to create more chaos for women and doctors in our state as governor, i promised i would do everything in my power to protect our reproductive freedom >> all right, are panels here now, former senator doug jones, david froms, staff writer for the atlantic and sure. michael singleton, former deputy chief of staff at hud in...
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he said the court went too far and that the arizona governor, who of course is a democrat, katie hobbs, will bring it to reason. what is your reaction? >> when you are the cause of the problem? you don't get to come back and say that now the democrats should clean up your mess. so of course i'm not surprised that that's what we're hearing. but i know that in the future they're going to continue again to chip away at these rights. so i really think that it's the same scenario that we're looking at with these legislators in arizona. they're backpedaling now because of the consequences not because they understand that what they have done is wrong. nobody is taking accountability for the fact that this is their mass. they are the ones who got us here in the first place. and have to hold them accountable to that. you can't just say, oh, well, this was wrong. let's fix it you have to say what i did was wrong. i made a mistake. how do we fix this? and that's not what's happening. there's no accountability right now at the state level or from the press presidency, or from the former president
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it includes just one exception for the life of the mother arizona's democratic governor, katie hobbs vowing to fight the ruling well, areas on across the state are reeling from this decision that reinstates the most are >> carnian ban in the country this is a ban that as you said, was passed in 18, 64 before we are a state before women had the right to vote and it is a near-total ban with no exceptions for rape or incest. it requires prison time for doctors >> hobbs went on to underscore that arizonans will have the chance to vote on the issue in november that could present a significant political problem for republicans, arizona is a critical race in november, it could control, determine control of the senate, and that's before we even get to the presidential stakes. michael chanel, congressional reporter for the hill, is joining me now to talk more about this. michael. good morning. it's wonderful to see you. thanks for being here >> so >> the senate race in arizona again, just to score for everyone, the senate is balanced right on the edge, right? 50, 50 could easily go either way
it includes just one exception for the life of the mother arizona's democratic governor, katie hobbs vowing to fight the ruling well, areas on across the state are reeling from this decision that reinstates the most are >> carnian ban in the country this is a ban that as you said, was passed in 18, 64 before we are a state before women had the right to vote and it is a near-total ban with no exceptions for rape or incest. it requires prison time for doctors >> hobbs went on to...
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and i'm calling on democratic governor katie hobbs and the state legislature to come come up with an immediate common sense solution that arizonans can support. i have no idea what her personal view on this, but this is a very political statement. >> yeah, it's almost as though she saw this come out and realized that this could cost her the senate race in arizona is expected to be a very tight race and they are pouring a lot of money into it republicans want to win arizona and they do believe there's a sliver of hope they're not. if there is something like this going on in the state, they know how politically toxic something like this can be. we have seen it. i would expect to hear something from former president donald trump, who we have not heard from yet, that talks about exceptions 90, not actually talking about this particularly in arizona, are talking about how states should have exceptions, how they should be allowing women to have some time here >> they are >> really, as you said changing their tune and trying to come up with a solution. even though again, he was responsible
and i'm calling on democratic governor katie hobbs and the state legislature to come come up with an immediate common sense solution that arizonans can support. i have no idea what her personal view on this, but this is a very political statement. >> yeah, it's almost as though she saw this come out and realized that this could cost her the senate race in arizona is expected to be a very tight race and they are pouring a lot of money into it republicans want to win arizona and they do...
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hobbs. >> but >> mayes has vowed not to enforce any abortion law, especially not this one but couldn't that decision essentially be challenged by local attorneys and basically create chaos in your state well i will tell you i'm not a lawyer, but i am certain that they're going to be a number of challenges that we're going to see in the coming weeks. we only have a two-week stay on this 1800s band before it goes into effect. but we have been talking about this band and this band has been being litigated for much longer than two weeks. and so any effort by the courts to try to reverse or to alter this decision is going to take longer than that. and so we really need to have some sort of legislative action. now, in order to be able to protect this right for patients and arizona and to your point, i mean, this is going to be something that will affect women very. very soon if it's allowed to go into effect but you've also been urging your state to support a potential ballot member measure for later in november, the advocates who are working on this ballot measure say they have more than 50
hobbs. >> but >> mayes has vowed not to enforce any abortion law, especially not this one but couldn't that decision essentially be challenged by local attorneys and basically create chaos in your state well i will tell you i'm not a lawyer, but i am certain that they're going to be a number of challenges that we're going to see in the coming weeks. we only have a two-week stay on this 1800s band before it goes into effect. but we have been talking about this band and this band has...
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hobbs >> it is a dark day in arizona just now, the arizona supreme court issued its opinion, implant hurt parenthood vmas upholding one of the most extreme abortion bans in the country. while it is currently stayed, we continue to live under an unacceptable ban. a law that's still strips arizonans of their personal autonomy and has no exceptions for women who are the victims of rape or incest, or any regard for pregnancy complications? >> the attorney general in arizona, the attorney general and arizona has tweeted out saying that this is unconscionable and in front of freedom. and said, make no mistake. the court has risked the health and lives of arizonans if can show part of that tweet, it says that today's decision to reimpose there's a law from a time when arizona wasn't a state, the civil war was raging and women couldn't even vote will go down in history as a stain on our state. this as far from the end of the debate on reproductive freedom, and i look forward to the people of arizona having their say in the matter that goes on to say and let me be completely clear, as long as
hobbs >> it is a dark day in arizona just now, the arizona supreme court issued its opinion, implant hurt parenthood vmas upholding one of the most extreme abortion bans in the country. while it is currently stayed, we continue to live under an unacceptable ban. a law that's still strips arizonans of their personal autonomy and has no exceptions for women who are the victims of rape or incest, or any regard for pregnancy complications? >> the attorney general in arizona, the...
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hobbs, has already issued an executive order concentrating authority to prosecute violations of this law in your office, attorney general, this hasn't been tested in court though. so what's the stop? local prosecutors from charging doctors? >> so let's just stop them. wolf is that as you mentioned, the governor has a consolidated the authority for prosecuting abortion in my office. i have just said and said all along that i will not use our resources to prosecute doctors, nurses, pharmacists are women and i also have under arizona law supervisory authority over those local prosecutors. and i've made it clear to county attorneys here in arizona that they had better not try this. they had better not try to prosecute under that 18, 64 banned because it's unconstitutional and i'll use my supervisory authority to to attempt to stop it. >> the arizona attorney general, kris mayes, arizona attorney general. thank you so much for joining us. we'll continue this conversation to be sure. i want to get some analysis right now from cnn, political commentators, alyssa farah griffin and david axel
hobbs, has already issued an executive order concentrating authority to prosecute violations of this law in your office, attorney general, this hasn't been tested in court though. so what's the stop? local prosecutors from charging doctors? >> so let's just stop them. wolf is that as you mentioned, the governor has a consolidated the authority for prosecuting abortion in my office. i have just said and said all along that i will not use our resources to prosecute doctors, nurses,...
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here's the state's governor, katie hobbs talking about the ruling we're having a problem, a technical problem there with the sound. >> yeah, i will try to get that fixed as soon as possible. the case is just the latest high profile example of the battle over abortion access and the role that it's played in several states since the us supreme court overturned roe versus wade back in 2022 we had white house press secretary karine john pearce speaking on that in the last hour let's try and play that sound like >> what today's decision. millions of arizonans will soon face an even more extreme and dangerous abortion ban than they did before this arizona law, which was initially enacted in 18, 64, more than 150 years here's a fails to protect women even when their health is at risk. when the president's predecessor handicapped three supreme court justices to open returned roe v. wade it paved the way for the chaos and confusion we're seeing play out across the country today >> there is almost no doubt that this decision by the state supreme court could have huge electoral consequences. we'
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the governor, governor katie hobbs has called for that, so we are definitely watching at very closely to see if that's something that our state lawmakers will move forward in doing >> so, if that happens, then where exactly is arizona? considering that when you i just want to say considering when you look at this ruling, though, what the supreme court was saying here was the issue with the more recent 15 week ban. they said was that it was hinged on roe v. wade, which is obviously now irrelevant. so where would that leave arizona? >> so there's a possibility that if the 800s 64 band is repealed, then we could go back again to the situation we had on monday, which was the 15 week ban, which of course is nothing that arizonans can rely on as this as evidence of and so that's why we arizona for abortion access keep coming back to our measure to allow arizona voters to chime in on this themselves on the november ballot. and that would be a constitutional amendment which would stop all of this back-and-forth and political game play and give arizona and some peace of mind dawn. >> when will
the governor, governor katie hobbs has called for that, so we are definitely watching at very closely to see if that's something that our state lawmakers will move forward in doing >> so, if that happens, then where exactly is arizona? considering that when you i just want to say considering when you look at this ruling, though, what the supreme court was saying here was the issue with the more recent 15 week ban. they said was that it was hinged on roe v. wade, which is obviously now...
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she said i opposed today's ruling and i'm calling on the democratic governor, katie hobbs, and the state legislature to come up with an immediate common sense solution that at arizonans can support. but just two years ago, she actually praised this same law. what's the turnaround for the reasons liam talked about knowing it's a problem. >> well, kari lake is inconsistent. writ large, and so i'm not going to hold her to a standard that she just will never we're be able to meet and that's to tell the truth. >> but >> i think she she's seen the backlash. we saw kansas. we aren't just talking about in democratic states. i think that people think about this as a political issue. this is a person issue. we're talking about the people in this country the women that live in kansas, which is traditionally a red-state, my home state of ohio, where they just had a ballot initiative in kentucky, another red skate, a democratic governor. but in 2023, they voted because he ran a campaign forced or centered on abortion. and then in the midterms, the red wade that never happened is because of this issue
she said i opposed today's ruling and i'm calling on the democratic governor, katie hobbs, and the state legislature to come up with an immediate common sense solution that at arizonans can support. but just two years ago, she actually praised this same law. what's the turnaround for the reasons liam talked about knowing it's a problem. >> well, kari lake is inconsistent. writ large, and so i'm not going to hold her to a standard that she just will never we're be able to meet and that's...
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she wrote quote, i opposed today's ruling and i'm calling on katie hobbs and the state legislature to come up with an immediate common sense solution. that arizonans can support previously. she actually had this to say, let's listen >> incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already on the books. i believe it's ars 13, so it will prohibit abortion in arizona, except to save the life of a mother >> so clearly a flip-flop, they're outside of the policy how does that potentially hurt her with voters? this is someone who at least from what we've seen, will say just about anything even outside of the truth. if it stands to give her gain political well >> the etch-a-sketch of moving into a general election is nothing new. every candidate does it. you have a more i guess, extreme position in the primary. but as you go into a general election and you're appealing two independent voters and more moderate voters. and in this case, suburban women voters, you have a more moderate position on this. and i think kari lake, in this instance clearly sees the numbers and arizon
she wrote quote, i opposed today's ruling and i'm calling on katie hobbs and the state legislature to come up with an immediate common sense solution. that arizonans can support previously. she actually had this to say, let's listen >> incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already on the books. i believe it's ars 13, so it will prohibit abortion in arizona, except to save the life of a mother >> so clearly a flip-flop, they're outside of the policy how...
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hobbs is not going to sign into law something similar to the now repealed 15 week ban that was passed in 2020 to talk to us a little bit about whether you'd like to see an alternative to the initiative that we've already that we already know is in the works because of that mental health exception in why in particular, you have an issue with that >> well, right now, voters are going to have a choice between a territorial band and near complete ban on abortions. and the abortion access initiative, which i think goes it's too far. i haven't seen any specific proposal yet, but i do know that republican members are coming up with some ideas talking about that and i'll take a look at that. i'm proudly pro-life. i've supported efforts to respect women and protect two new life. i think that the 15 week timeframe is an appropriate time frame width exceptions that need to be included. so we'll continue to have those conversations with colleagues, but we need to provide voters this november with a real choice between respecting women and allowing for them to make a deeply personal decision with
hobbs is not going to sign into law something similar to the now repealed 15 week ban that was passed in 2020 to talk to us a little bit about whether you'd like to see an alternative to the initiative that we've already that we already know is in the works because of that mental health exception in why in particular, you have an issue with that >> well, right now, voters are going to have a choice between a territorial band and near complete ban on abortions. and the abortion access...
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if the repeal passes, the arizona state senate, then democratic governor katie hobbs is expected to sign it that would leave the states 15 week abortion restriction on in place. one signed by the previous republican governor. also in our healthily the us supreme court hearing arguments today in what could be the most significant abortion case. since dobbs when it overturned roe v. wade two years ago the nine justices on the court appeared deeply divided today over idaho's strict abortion ban, which outlaws abortions in nearly every circumstance. as cnn's paula reid reports for his now at issue in this case is whether the state is allowed to criminalized abortions in medical emergencies when the others life is at risk today, the supreme court heard another historic case on abortion as protesters on both sides of the issue gathered out front the high-stakes hearing focused on idaho's abortion ban and how it applies in medical emergencies. >> the state allows exceptions when the life of a mother is at risk, but the biden administration sued the state, arguing that federal law requires the s
if the repeal passes, the arizona state senate, then democratic governor katie hobbs is expected to sign it that would leave the states 15 week abortion restriction on in place. one signed by the previous republican governor. also in our healthily the us supreme court hearing arguments today in what could be the most significant abortion case. since dobbs when it overturned roe v. wade two years ago the nine justices on the court appeared deeply divided today over idaho's strict abortion ban,...
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and i hope to see them held accountable well, moments ago, arizona's governor katie hobbs responding act the state grand jury indicted seven trump allies and 11 so-called fake electors on charges centered around an alleged scheme to subvert the 2020 election. >> the trump associates now facing felony charges, includes this yearbook photo from a white house if staff mark meadows, trump's lawyers, rudy giuliani, age and ellis and christina, bob, as well as top campaign aide boris epstein. >> trump himself was not charged in this case, but he is named as an unindicted coconspirator. >> let's go and cosine national security reporter zachary cohen, who is in arizona right now. so zach, what do these indictments say about this so-called fake electors plot. and what are the charges they are now facing yellow or donald trump may not be charged in this indictment, but it does outline it and entire conspiracy alleged conspiracy it revolves around donald trump and it charges several people who are very close in on trump, especially in that period right after the 2020 election, where he was tryi
and i hope to see them held accountable well, moments ago, arizona's governor katie hobbs responding act the state grand jury indicted seven trump allies and 11 so-called fake electors on charges centered around an alleged scheme to subvert the 2020 election. >> the trump associates now facing felony charges, includes this yearbook photo from a white house if staff mark meadows, trump's lawyers, rudy giuliani, age and ellis and christina, bob, as well as top campaign aide boris epstein....
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now the democratic governor of arizona, katie hobbs and governor, i very much appreciate your time tonight. i mean, this is incredible. what's happening in your state, the republicans who control the state house are blocking efforts to move forward with a vote to repeal the law. so what's the bottom line for you tonight? you have hoped that the law can be repealed before it goes into effect or not well, there is absolutely no excuse for them for their failure on this. >> in 2022. many of these republicans voted for arizona's lot. that created a 15 week ban. that explicitly said, this does not repeal the 18 64 law. they knew that if dobbs the dobbs decision went the way it did, that this law would be the law and they've had years to figure out the consequences of this and figure out a plan of action. and now they're just failing to act. this law is so terrible for women in our state it will have devastating consequences, which is why i called for them immediately to repeal this they they went to the floor at last week. the democrats were ready to do it. the republicans blocked it last week,
now the democratic governor of arizona, katie hobbs and governor, i very much appreciate your time tonight. i mean, this is incredible. what's happening in your state, the republicans who control the state house are blocking efforts to move forward with a vote to repeal the law. so what's the bottom line for you tonight? you have hoped that the law can be repealed before it goes into effect or not well, there is absolutely no excuse for them for their failure on this. >> in 2022. many of...
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hobbs and the state legislature to come up with an immediate common sense solution that arizonans can support that would be fine if she just was breaking her silence on this issue. you might say, oh, who'd ever heard of a law from 18 64 will kari lake had and in fact, she had ardently supported this very law from 18 in 64. here she is talking about it two years ago >> we have a great law on the books right now. i'm incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already on the books. i believe it's arf 13, so it will prohibit abortion in arizona. accepted save the life of a mother. and i think we're going to be setting the paving the way and setting course for other states to follow so she didn't even just say, oh, i support this law in the book. she exactly said what the law did write, that only in the life of the mother. that's the 18, 64 long she made it very clear she knew what it was and she supported it lakes flip-flopping because she knows that arizona is not paving the way when it comes to the way the voters want. and arizona's civil war era law incredibly thr
hobbs and the state legislature to come up with an immediate common sense solution that arizonans can support that would be fine if she just was breaking her silence on this issue. you might say, oh, who'd ever heard of a law from 18 64 will kari lake had and in fact, she had ardently supported this very law from 18 in 64. here she is talking about it two years ago >> we have a great law on the books right now. i'm incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already...