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in response, petitioner raises concerns about potential abuses. but established legal safeguards provide layers of protections with the article 3 courts providing the ultimate check. the existing system is a carefully balanced framework. it protects the president but not at the high constitutional cost of blanket criminal immunity. that has been the understanding of every president from the framing, through watergate, and up to today. this court should preserve it. i welcome the court's questions. >> mr. dreeben, does the president have immunity? are you saying there is no immunity, presidential immunity, even for official acts? >> yes, justice thomas, but i think that it is important to put in perspective the position that we are offering the court today. the president, as the head of the article 2 branch, can assert as applied article 2 objections to criminal laws that interfere with an exclusive power possessed by the president, or that prevent the president from accomplishing his constitutionally assigned functions. that is the constitutional
in response, petitioner raises concerns about potential abuses. but established legal safeguards provide layers of protections with the article 3 courts providing the ultimate check. the existing system is a carefully balanced framework. it protects the president but not at the high constitutional cost of blanket criminal immunity. that has been the understanding of every president from the framing, through watergate, and up to today. this court should preserve it. i welcome the court's...
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. >> in one of the interactions between petitioner and a state official, petitioner is alleged to have said, i need you to find me 11,000 votes and change. i think if you look at that content, it's clear that petitioner is acting in the capacity as office seeker, not as president. we would look at that content. >> okay. the test -- i'm focused on the legal test. i'm not hearing any objections to it. >> other than, i think that the d.c. circuit placed more content consideration off limits than i would. >> all right. i wanted to understand, on the core immunity or whatever word we use, that it seems to me we are narrowing the ground of dispute here considerably, do we look at motives, the president's motives for his actions? for example, he has more power as we discussed, but he might use them to enhance his election, his personal interests. is that a relevant consideration when we're looking at core powers? >> i am thinking of this more as looking at the objective of the activity as opposed to the subjective motive in the sense that your honor is talking about. i think there's a lot of
. >> in one of the interactions between petitioner and a state official, petitioner is alleged to have said, i need you to find me 11,000 votes and change. i think if you look at that content, it's clear that petitioner is acting in the capacity as office seeker, not as president. we would look at that content. >> okay. the test -- i'm focused on the legal test. i'm not hearing any objections to it. >> other than, i think that the d.c. circuit placed more content consideration...
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. >> in one of the interactions between petitioner and a state official, and the state official, petitioner is alleged to have said all i need you to do is to find me 11,000 votes unchanged. i think if you look at that context it is pretty clear that petitioner is acting in the capacity of office seeker, not as president >> i am focus on the legal test. i am not hearing any objections to it. >> other than i think the d.c. circuit place more content consideration off limit then i went. >> i want to understand on the court immunity, or whatever word we use, it seems to me that we are narrowing the ground of dispute here considerably. do we look at motives? the president's motives for his actions? for example, he has lots of power as we've discussed, but he might use them to enhance his election in his personal interest. it is not a relevant consideration when we look at core powers? >> i think of this more as looking at the objectives of the activity as opposed to the subjective motives in the sense that you are -- i think there is concern about seeing a electoral motive to be reelected as su
. >> in one of the interactions between petitioner and a state official, and the state official, petitioner is alleged to have said all i need you to do is to find me 11,000 votes unchanged. i think if you look at that context it is pretty clear that petitioner is acting in the capacity of office seeker, not as president >> i am focus on the legal test. i am not hearing any objections to it. >> other than i think the d.c. circuit place more content consideration off limit then...
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private attorney who caused the filing and court of a verification signed by petitioner that contain false allegations to support a challenge. >> so sounds private. >> three private actors to attorneys, including those mentioned above, and a political consultant helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding and petitioner and a coconspirator attorney directed that effort you really quickly. >> i believe that's private. i don't want us so those acts you would not dispute those the private and you wouldn't raise a claim that they were official as characterize what we would say. your honor, if i may, what we would say his official was things like meeting with the department of justice to deliberate about who's gonna be the acting attorney general, the united states. sure. again, with the american public communicating with congress about matters of all enormous thank you thank you thank you. council. and what is the consequence in terms of going forward with your acknowledgement that those are private next, as oppose
private attorney who caused the filing and court of a verification signed by petitioner that contain false allegations to support a challenge. >> so sounds private. >> three private actors to attorneys, including those mentioned above, and a political consultant helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding and petitioner and a coconspirator attorney directed that effort you really quickly. >> i believe...
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in response, petitioner raises concerns aboential abuses. establhelegal safeguards provide layers of protections with thele three crts providing the ultimate check. the existing system is a refully balanced framework. it protects the president, but not at the high constitutional cost of blanket criminal immunity. that has been the understandg of every psident from the framing through watergate and up to today. this court should preserve it. i welcome the court's ons. >> does the president have immunity or are you saying that there is no presidential munity even for official act >> yes, justice thomas, but it is important to puin perspective the position that we are offeri court today. the pre as the head of the arclto bnc can assert as applied article two objections to criminal laws that interfere with an excluse wer possessed by the president or that prevent the preside fm accomplishing h cstitutional he assigned functions. at is the constitutional doctrine that currently governs the separation of powers. what petitioner is asking for is a
in response, petitioner raises concerns aboential abuses. establhelegal safeguards provide layers of protections with thele three crts providing the ultimate check. the existing system is a refully balanced framework. it protects the president, but not at the high constitutional cost of blanket criminal immunity. that has been the understandg of every psident from the framing through watergate and up to today. this court should preserve it. i welcome the court's ons. >> does the president...
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two sounds private petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing and court of a verification signed by petitioner that contain false allegations to support a challenge. >> sounds private three private actors to attorneys, including those mentioned above& a political consultant helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification jim proceeding and petitioner and a coconspirator attorney directed that effort you write it quickly. i believe that it's private that's seems to answer a lot. >> there it does, casey and that is the genesis of the concern, right? you have to now parse out. is they have private conduct from presidential conduct and then, you know, this sort of, this how the ambiguity right, is what i'm searching for. and so if you have that ambiguity, do you take it down to the lower court and does because the lower court make factual determinations as the justice did in her questioning as to what can be deemed to be private such that it can be prosecuted. and what could be deemed in the outer per
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what struck me is many of the justices were really tough on the petitioner. then they were tough on the solicitor general. it's one of those cases where they were going hard against each side. first i thought they were going hard on the petitioners, but they are coming at this from both sides? >> and that is what you would want. asking the tough questions to both sides. i do think that it is like a little interesting if they were to step backwards. how many times have justice alito and justice thomas asked questions about the fairness of a prosecution when it comes to the criminal defendant. they are not particularly known for that. so it is a little striking to hear so many of those concerns today, coming out of that segment of the court. when you think of the dominant methodology of the court right now is reading the statute, that it is just what the plain text says. here is the plain text that's so good for the government, lawrence. it says it is a crime to otherwise obstruct, influence, or impede any official proceeding. it sure seems like dollars to donu
what struck me is many of the justices were really tough on the petitioner. then they were tough on the solicitor general. it's one of those cases where they were going hard against each side. first i thought they were going hard on the petitioners, but they are coming at this from both sides? >> and that is what you would want. asking the tough questions to both sides. i do think that it is like a little interesting if they were to step backwards. how many times have justice alito and...
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>> petitioner turn to a private attorney, was willing to spread knowingly false claims of election fraud to spearhead is challenges to the election results. private, as i want to jamming, we do speed the allegation, but sounds private. >> sounds private petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing and court of a verification signed by petitioner that contain false allegations this is support a challenge. so sounds brian three private actors to attorneys including those mentioned above, and a political consultant helped to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding and petitioner and a coconspirator attorney directed that effort you ready quickly. i believe that private with b now is jack ray code. so that surprise winning author, historian and professor at stanford, he also signed onto an amicus briefs is court rejecting trump's immunity claim. thank you for joining us this evening. >> it sounds like this immunity question may not be close to being resolved completely and could actually go bac
>> petitioner turn to a private attorney, was willing to spread knowingly false claims of election fraud to spearhead is challenges to the election results. private, as i want to jamming, we do speed the allegation, but sounds private. >> sounds private petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing and court of a verification signed by petitioner that contain false allegations this is support a challenge. so sounds brian three private actors to attorneys...
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petitioners effort to remain in power by fraud. those allegations of private misconduct are more than sufficient to support the indictment. joining our discussion now is judge vance and she is cohost of the podcast, hashtag sisters in law and in msnbc analyst. just when we think we've heard all the arguments already on this issue, jack smith comes through with another brief, with new ways of saying these things, that become ever more powerful every time he's forced to restate >> i think that's right, you know, this is a technical legal brief and smith is making arguments predicated on what he hopes the supreme court will do, ruling that there's no immunity, and what he's afraid the court might do, ruling that there's limited immunity in which case, smith says to the court, no matter what you decide about what immunity might exist, donald trump isn't entitled to any immunity. you should send this case back to the district court for trial because his conduct involves a purely personal conspiracy and although we are entitled to use ev
petitioners effort to remain in power by fraud. those allegations of private misconduct are more than sufficient to support the indictment. joining our discussion now is judge vance and she is cohost of the podcast, hashtag sisters in law and in msnbc analyst. just when we think we've heard all the arguments already on this issue, jack smith comes through with another brief, with new ways of saying these things, that become ever more powerful every time he's forced to restate >> i think...
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. >> one of the root problems with petitioner's conduct is that he knew about the proceeding. he had said in advance of january 6 that he was prepared to storm the capitol, prepared to use violence. you wanted to intimidate congress. he said they can't vote if they can't breathe and he went to the capitol on january 6 with that intent in mind and took action including assaulting a law enforcement officer. that did appear the ability of the officers to regain control of the capitol. i think it is entirely appropriate for the government to seek to hold the petitioner accountable for that content with that intent. >> joining us now is katie porter who was a harvard law school student of professor elizabeth warren and was a professor of law herself. congressman porter, you were in the supreme court chamber today listening to that argument. i feel i should be addressing u.s. professor porter tonight in your law professor role. he spent years as a law student studying supreme court cases and here's as a law professor. what do you make of today's. >> it was incredibly impressive to s
. >> one of the root problems with petitioner's conduct is that he knew about the proceeding. he had said in advance of january 6 that he was prepared to storm the capitol, prepared to use violence. you wanted to intimidate congress. he said they can't vote if they can't breathe and he went to the capitol on january 6 with that intent in mind and took action including assaulting a law enforcement officer. that did appear the ability of the officers to regain control of the capitol. i...
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. >> we disputed the allegations but it sounds private. >> petitioner conspired with another private attorney to get a violation which was false allegations to support a challenge. >> that also sounds private. >> three private actors and two attorneys and a political attorney implemented plan to obstruct the certification proceeding and petitioner and co-conspirator directed that effort. >> you read it quickly, believe that is private. >> and then later he says trump's phone call with that infamous secretary of state where he says you'll find 11,780 votes i just need one more is not an official act. how big a big concessions on this. >> those are all huge concessions to the extent this does get ultimately remanded to the judge for additional findings that will fill her hand in terms of her ability to move the case forward. i don't think the supreme court is focused so much on the actual trump indictment as they are concerned about hamstringing future presidents in terms of restraints on their ability to act officially without fear of retribution by their successors. >> it sounds like
. >> we disputed the allegations but it sounds private. >> petitioner conspired with another private attorney to get a violation which was false allegations to support a challenge. >> that also sounds private. >> three private actors and two attorneys and a political attorney implemented plan to obstruct the certification proceeding and petitioner and co-conspirator directed that effort. >> you read it quickly, believe that is private. >> and then later he...
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petitioner turned to a private attorney. spread false claims of election fraud to spearhead challenges to the election results. private? >> we dispute the allegation. that sounds private. >> petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing in court of a verification that contained false allegations to support a challenge. >> sounds private. >> private actors to attorneys thought mentioned about and political consultant to obstruct the certification proceedings and attorney directed that effort. >> you read it quickly. i believe that's private. >> those acts you would not dispute. those were private and you wouldn't raise the claim they were official. >> what we would say is official is meeting with the department of justice to deliberate who will be the acting attorney general of the united states. communicating with the american public, communicating with congress with matters. >> thank you. >> and what is the consequence in terms of going forward with your acknowledgement that those are private acts
petitioner turned to a private attorney. spread false claims of election fraud to spearhead challenges to the election results. private? >> we dispute the allegation. that sounds private. >> petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing in court of a verification that contained false allegations to support a challenge. >> sounds private. >> private actors to attorneys thought mentioned about and political consultant to obstruct the...
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trump, petitioner versus united states. but many of the justices, if not most of them, seemed very, very focused on the precedent this case could set for future presidents, right? >> and just, just because they kept going back to that point, i think it's a it's a big win, frankly for the former president because that's one of the things his, his lawyers kept arguing. they kept saying that if you allow this to go forward this way, that other presidents could face prosecution for any acts they committed in office. and so you'll hear, justice gorsuch describing what he says he sees at play here. listen i'm not concerned about this case, but i am concerned about future uses of the criminal law to target political opponents based on accusations about their motives whether it's reelection or who knows what corrupt means in 15, 12 right? >> we don't know what that means maybe we'll find out sometime soon. but the dangerousness of accusing europe political opponent of having bad motives and if that's enough to overcome your core po
trump, petitioner versus united states. but many of the justices, if not most of them, seemed very, very focused on the precedent this case could set for future presidents, right? >> and just, just because they kept going back to that point, i think it's a it's a big win, frankly for the former president because that's one of the things his, his lawyers kept arguing. they kept saying that if you allow this to go forward this way, that other presidents could face prosecution for any acts...
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petitioner turn to a private attorney was willing to spread knowingly false claims of election fraud to spearhead is challenges to the election results. >> private shining, we dispute the allegation by the sounds private jet sounds private petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing& court of a verification signed by petitioner that contain false allegations to support a challenge. >> so sounds private. >> three private actors to attorneys, including those mentioned above and a political consultant helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates it's a presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding and petitioner and a coconspirator attorney directed that effort you really quickly. >> i believe dr.. it then later he says trump's phone call with the infamous one with the georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, where he says, you know, find 11,708 votes. >> i just need one more. was not an official act. >> how big of a concession is all of this? >> those are all huge concessions and to the extent that this does get ultimately rema
petitioner turn to a private attorney was willing to spread knowingly false claims of election fraud to spearhead is challenges to the election results. >> private shining, we dispute the allegation by the sounds private jet sounds private petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing& court of a verification signed by petitioner that contain false allegations to support a challenge. >> so sounds private. >> three private actors to attorneys,...
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as petitioners, but has this voted law brought more justice ... in relation to the people in the troops, the current people in the troops, it was in the troops that they hoped for 36 months, as a certain, well, the term of such a cut-off, when a person who has stayed in total, well, with coefficients, accumulates 36 months of being in combat operations and at the front, he must, well , at least a year rest, otherwise he will simply and professionally slouch, and... he gets tired as much , that human psychology cannot withstand all this, but the fact that this norm on demobilization was not included in this law is also, in principle, the absence of this, well, conditional gingerbread, that is, for those who have already been mobilized and for those who are going to mobilize because it is unclear, mobilization continues, but no one... sets these terms, those who are already at the front do not understand when their service will end, when they will be able to demobilize, and those whom they are trying to mobilize also do not understand how they go either for life, or to some injury or some
as petitioners, but has this voted law brought more justice ... in relation to the people in the troops, the current people in the troops, it was in the troops that they hoped for 36 months, as a certain, well, the term of such a cut-off, when a person who has stayed in total, well, with coefficients, accumulates 36 months of being in combat operations and at the front, he must, well , at least a year rest, otherwise he will simply and professionally slouch, and... he gets tired as much , that...
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to be recognized as petitioners, but did this ... naked law bring more justice to the people in the army, the current people in the army, it was in the army that they hoped for 36 months, as a certain well, the term of such a cut-off, when a person who has spent a total of 36 months of being in combat operations and at the front, she must rest for at least a year, otherwise she will simply... professionally collapse and exhaust herself to the extent that, well, human psychology , she cannot stand all this, but the fact that this norm on demobilization was not included in this law is also, in principle, the absence of this, well , conditional gingerbread, that is, for those who have already been mobilized and for those who is going to mobilize because it is unclear mobilization continues... but no one sets these terms, those who are already at the front do not understand when their service will end, when they will be able to demobilize, and those whom they are trying to mobilize also do not understand how far they are going or at whole life or there until some injury or some statue,
to be recognized as petitioners, but did this ... naked law bring more justice to the people in the army, the current people in the army, it was in the army that they hoped for 36 months, as a certain well, the term of such a cut-off, when a person who has spent a total of 36 months of being in combat operations and at the front, she must rest for at least a year, otherwise she will simply... professionally collapse and exhaust herself to the extent that, well, human psychology , she cannot...
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with another private attorney who caused the filing and court of a verification signed by petitioner that contain false allegations to support a challenge. >> so sounds private. >> three private actors to attorneys, including those mentioned above, and a political consultant helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of president shall electors to obstruct the certification proceeding and petitioner and a coconspirator attorney directed that effort you ready to quickly i believe that dr. so of today's arguments also focused on for president richard nixon and his legal entanglements and held that precedent reflects on today and what that means. i'm joined tonight by the former counsel to form president trump, jim trusty, former federal prosecutor, elliot williams, georgetown law professor victoria nurse, and former federal prosecutors chan woo, and also someone very familiar with the legal legacy left behind by richard nixon, the former president's onetime white house counsel, john dean and john, let me start with you, given how watergate i think we all knew it was going to c
with another private attorney who caused the filing and court of a verification signed by petitioner that contain false allegations to support a challenge. >> so sounds private. >> three private actors to attorneys, including those mentioned above, and a political consultant helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of president shall electors to obstruct the certification proceeding and petitioner and a coconspirator attorney directed that effort you ready to quickly i...
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petitioner in turned to a private attorney he was willing to spread knowingly false claims of election fraud to spearhead his challenges to the election results private. >> as alleged we dispute the allegation but a it sounds private. >> petitioner conspired with another private attorney who signed filing in court of a verification signed by petitioner that contained false allegation to. >> that sound private. >> they want to draw a distinction between official conduct tying to the president's constitutional responsibilities and so-called private conduct which is unrelated to that. to draw a distinction between the two in the immunity setting. so that you can get immunity for official acts, but not immunity for private acts. it sounds very clever and useful but it's an artificial construct. and the concern of justices, a lot of arguments are disingenuous. and think they know better. the problem with this argument, which i thought justice jackson arctic lathed jack articulated this well. we have a president who wants to assassinate someone hire a private hitman, if this doctrine is in p
petitioner in turned to a private attorney he was willing to spread knowingly false claims of election fraud to spearhead his challenges to the election results private. >> as alleged we dispute the allegation but a it sounds private. >> petitioner conspired with another private attorney who signed filing in court of a verification signed by petitioner that contained false allegation to. >> that sound private. >> they want to draw a distinction between official conduct...
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it instead underscores the unprecedented nature of petitioners alleged conduct. to the particulars of the case, jack smith wrote first, of presidents alleged criminal scheme to overturn an election and thwart the peaceful transfer of power to his lawfully elected successor is the. dramatic example of conduct that should not be immunized, even if other contact should be. second, at the core of the charged conspiracies is a private scheme with private actors to achieve a private and -- petitioner's effort to remain in power by fraud. those allegations of private misconduct are more than sufficient to support the indictment. joining our discussion of is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and professor at the university of alabama school of law. she has cohost of the podcast "hash text sisters-in-law," and nbc legal analyst. just when we think we've heard all the arguments already on this issue, jack smith comes through with another brief with new ways of saying these things that become ever more powerful every time he is forced to restate them. >> i think that is rig
it instead underscores the unprecedented nature of petitioners alleged conduct. to the particulars of the case, jack smith wrote first, of presidents alleged criminal scheme to overturn an election and thwart the peaceful transfer of power to his lawfully elected successor is the. dramatic example of conduct that should not be immunized, even if other contact should be. second, at the core of the charged conspiracies is a private scheme with private actors to achieve a private and --...
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in response, the petitioner raises concerns of potential abuses. established legal safeguards provide layers of protection, with the courts providing the ultimate check. the existing system is a carefully balanced framework. it protects the president, but not at the high constitutional cost of blanket criminal immunity. that has been the understanding of every president from the framing through watergate and up to today. this court should preserve it. host: we are taking your calls on the question of former president trump's presidential immunity. beverly is first in florida. good morning. caller: good morning. president trump needs immunity and the right to have no one take his in -- his election interference away from him. he did a good job in the four years. we are all in fear of a war with president biden in place. the reason president trump did question the election for president biden is because when we went to bed the night before we were supposed to get the totals. president biden was not in the lead in georgia. it was president trump. then
in response, the petitioner raises concerns of potential abuses. established legal safeguards provide layers of protection, with the courts providing the ultimate check. the existing system is a carefully balanced framework. it protects the president, but not at the high constitutional cost of blanket criminal immunity. that has been the understanding of every president from the framing through watergate and up to today. this court should preserve it. host: we are taking your calls on the...
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by petitioner that contained false allegations to support a challenge. >> that also sounds private. >> justice kagan had that same kind of line of questioning with trump's attorney. glen, how do you see that line of questioning and what does it tell you about the possible decisions that both coney barrett and kagan could have on this? >> yeah, great question, jose. that was an important concession by donald trump's attorney. and what it means is that there is an opportunity for the trial to move forward, even if only on those things that the attorney conceded were not official acts. so, even under donald trump's theory, as articulated through his attorney, the prosecution could proceed on those nonofficial acts. of course, that would only be giving jack smith half a loaf with respect to the crimes that he has indicted and the crimes that should be resolved with a trial. but here is the challenge. all of these discussions are purely academic because even if donald trump's defense attorney agreed, yeah, the charges with -- relating to these nonofficial acts could move forward, they ca
by petitioner that contained false allegations to support a challenge. >> that also sounds private. >> justice kagan had that same kind of line of questioning with trump's attorney. glen, how do you see that line of questioning and what does it tell you about the possible decisions that both coney barrett and kagan could have on this? >> yeah, great question, jose. that was an important concession by donald trump's attorney. and what it means is that there is an opportunity...
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. >> the tourney because the verification by petitioner that cause false allegations to support a challenge. >> three private actors to attorneys including those mentioned above and a political consultant help to implement a plan to obstruct the certification proceeding and petitioner and co-conspirator attorney directed that effort. >> you read it quickly i believe that is private. >> some of today's arguments also focus on richard nixon and his entanglements and how that reflects on today and what that means. i'm joined tonight by counsel and former federal prosecutor, law professor, and former federal prosecutor. also someone very familiar with the legal legacy left behind by nixon's one-time white house counsel john dean. let me start with you given how watergate, and think we knew was going to come up but this is how trump's attorney responded when justice raise this question about nixon. >> what was up with the parting for president nixon. if everybody thought that presidents couldn't be prosecuted then what was that about. >> he was under investigation for private and public conduct
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and instead underscores the unprecedented nature of petitioners alleged conduct is essentially saying there just hasn't been a former president like trump exactly. and the fact back that no other president has tried to overturn an election in which he lost doesn't mean that you get a free pass when you actually do try to overturn the i mean, the idea that donald trump is different, that this conduct is different from any other president, former president is at the heart of this case. and the idea that because trump has done something so novel and so awful that he gets away with it is something that i don't think the supreme court is really going to buy. >> and congressman your former january >> 6 colleague, liz cheney said, are your january 6 committee i'll said recently that is very important. members of the supreme court recognized trump is just trying to run out the clock and not allow them to do that. do you think the court should take the timeline of the case into account? >> what really think they do? they should personally because look, this is going to be obviously very import
and instead underscores the unprecedented nature of petitioners alleged conduct is essentially saying there just hasn't been a former president like trump exactly. and the fact back that no other president has tried to overturn an election in which he lost doesn't mean that you get a free pass when you actually do try to overturn the i mean, the idea that donald trump is different, that this conduct is different from any other president, former president is at the heart of this case. and the...
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i think that's actually a virtue of our reading as compared to petitioners because i have not heard him articulate anything that would fall within c1 that wouldn't also come within c2. so on his reading, c2 really does just swallow c1 whole. >> i mean, in a way you're reading it c1, c2 almost exist in isolation, certainly not affected by c1 we don't deny it all that there is a relationship between the two provisions. justice thomas, does that relationship? the relationship is the one congress specified in the text. it's what follows the word. otherwise that is the relevant degree of similarity. what both c1 and c2 have in common is that they, they are aimed at conduct that obstructs an official proceeding. c1 does so when one way tampering with records and documents, s2 does so with respect to all other conduct that in a different manner, does that i think that this has to be the road the court goes down to look at what congress actually prescribed with respect to similarity, because in contrast, if you take up petitioners invitation to come up with some a textual gloss from c1 to port
i think that's actually a virtue of our reading as compared to petitioners because i have not heard him articulate anything that would fall within c1 that wouldn't also come within c2. so on his reading, c2 really does just swallow c1 whole. >> i mean, in a way you're reading it c1, c2 almost exist in isolation, certainly not affected by c1 we don't deny it all that there is a relationship between the two provisions. justice thomas, does that relationship? the relationship is the one...
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to the nine supreme court t justices this week, he was known as the petitioner, asking them to grant him immunity for criminal prosecution. we can now add one more child to that list. unindicted co-conspirator. that is the title donald trump has been given in two cases brought against loyalists who allegedly participated in the effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election. the latest indictment comes out of arizona, where this woman, the attorney general, chris mays, pressed charges against 18 people for their roles in that states the collectors scheme. they include rudy giuliani, parker meadows, and other me prominent trump allies, and, notably, lawyers. the indictment alleges those 18 defendants, "schemed to prevent unlawful transfer of the presidency to keep unindicted co-conspirator one, donald trump, in office against the nd will of arizona's voters." that news dropped in the middle of a very busy week for the former president and his attorneys. trump was also separately named an unindicted co-conspirator in michigan's investigation into the collectors scheme. 16 people h
to the nine supreme court t justices this week, he was known as the petitioner, asking them to grant him immunity for criminal prosecution. we can now add one more child to that list. unindicted co-conspirator. that is the title donald trump has been given in two cases brought against loyalists who allegedly participated in the effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election. the latest indictment comes out of arizona, where this woman, the attorney general, chris mays, pressed charges...
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she is an unofficial litigant petitioner before the court. >> she is. i would say to louis cheney and these other politicians, this is bigger than donald trump. this is about the presidency. if you can indict a president for his official acts, we are going to destroy the presidency and destroy our country. can they charge president obama for capital murder because his drone strike of two american citizens? can the trump justice system charge biden for his mass parole of illegal migrants into our country. do democrats want to go down this path? >> chief justice roberts is an institutionalist and likes to stand for the executive branch and others on the court do as well. this could put an end to these cases. there also might be, through the court wanting this, fear of their own credibility being put at issue, if they short- short-circuit -- the democrats attempt to short-circuit the election. >> you are right. he is an institutionalist and he wants to make sure the constitution is solidified in a way that allows each of these institutions, these three bra
she is an unofficial litigant petitioner before the court. >> she is. i would say to louis cheney and these other politicians, this is bigger than donald trump. this is about the presidency. if you can indict a president for his official acts, we are going to destroy the presidency and destroy our country. can they charge president obama for capital murder because his drone strike of two american citizens? can the trump justice system charge biden for his mass parole of illegal migrants...
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conduct on january 6, those counts do not require that petitioner have acted corruptly to obstruct an official proceeding are you have to translate that for me? >> yes. her point was representing the department of justice, elizabeth prelogar, that to not be able to use this law would not be able to hold many of the defendants accountable for what they did. they obstruct an official proceeding in the government's mind? and it didn't matter that some evidence was not destroyed freud, in the process and by limiting the government's use of this law, it essentially won't hold to fully account many of these defendants, including donald trump, who is also charged under this logic. >> okay. you're good at reading the court. do you think that they're going to side with the capital the january 6 defendants sierra ultimately majority? yes. yes. you do. i just want to say it doesn't mean that a bunch of people are going to be set free because many of these people, including joseph fischer, who came there to were charged with other things? yes. exactly. they are charged with other things where it
conduct on january 6, those counts do not require that petitioner have acted corruptly to obstruct an official proceeding are you have to translate that for me? >> yes. her point was representing the department of justice, elizabeth prelogar, that to not be able to use this law would not be able to hold many of the defendants accountable for what they did. they obstruct an official proceeding in the government's mind? and it didn't matter that some evidence was not destroyed freud, in the...
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. >> petitioner conspired with another private attorney caused the filing in court to the verification signed by petitioner that can date false allegations. >> that sounds private. >> three private actors and two attorneys and political consultant help the pullman plan to submit fraudulent claims of presidential electors to obstruct the proceeding and petitioner and co-conspirator attorney directed that effort? >> you read it quickly. i believe that's private. >> bozak she would not dispute. those were private and you wouldn't raise a claim? >> is characterized. >> is characterized those were private. conservative justice amy coney barrett, she's getting donald trump's lawyer to agree that a whole bunch of things that trump was indicted for in the january 6 federal case, punter those things are things that could not possibly be construed to be the official actions of a president. now, justice barrett emerge from the arguments today is potentially the swing vote on this overall issue. maybe which is crazy given how right-wing she is. of all the conservative justices, she seemed like the
. >> petitioner conspired with another private attorney caused the filing in court to the verification signed by petitioner that can date false allegations. >> that sounds private. >> three private actors and two attorneys and political consultant help the pullman plan to submit fraudulent claims of presidential electors to obstruct the proceeding and petitioner and co-conspirator attorney directed that effort? >> you read it quickly. i believe that's private. >>...
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the presidents are immune from current liability, and instead underscores the unprecedented nature of petitioner's alleged conduct. and he argues a bedrock principle of our constitutional order is that no person is above the law, including the president. this all comes in advance of oral argument scheduled for april 25th. while the eagle issues here are not complex, this is about whether the supreme court will act swiftly enough for trump to face trial before the election or whether they will basically bail them out by delaying. and second, the jack smith and his team both have to argue against absolute immunity, three of whom were appointed by donald trump. served as chief of the federal division of the u.s. attorney's office. she's also cohost of the prosecuting donald trump podcast, and she joins me now. mary, your top line impressions of this brief from jack smith's office? >> is a very strong brief. i think it's the best brief that the government has filed in this series of briefs, because remember, first they briefed in the trial court before george redken. and they briefed it before the d.c
the presidents are immune from current liability, and instead underscores the unprecedented nature of petitioner's alleged conduct. and he argues a bedrock principle of our constitutional order is that no person is above the law, including the president. this all comes in advance of oral argument scheduled for april 25th. while the eagle issues here are not complex, this is about whether the supreme court will act swiftly enough for trump to face trial before the election or whether they will...
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petitioner, however, claims that a former president has permanent criminal immunity for his official act and less he was first impeached and convicted, the theory would immunize former president's from criminal liability for bribery, treason, sedition, murder, and here conspiring to use fraud to overturn the results of an election to perpetuate himself in power. such presidential immunity has no foundation in the constitution. the framers knew too well the dangers of a king who could do no wrong. they therefore devised a system to check abuses of power, especially the use of official power for private gain. here, the executive branch is sourcing congressional statutes and seeking petitioner's alleged misuse of official power to subvert democracy. that is a compelling public interest. in response, petitioner raises concerns about attentional abuses but established legal safeguards, provide layers of protections with the article three courts providing the ultimate check. the existing system is a carefully balanced framework. it protects the president but not at the high constitutional
petitioner, however, claims that a former president has permanent criminal immunity for his official act and less he was first impeached and convicted, the theory would immunize former president's from criminal liability for bribery, treason, sedition, murder, and here conspiring to use fraud to overturn the results of an election to perpetuate himself in power. such presidential immunity has no foundation in the constitution. the framers knew too well the dangers of a king who could do no...
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the petitioner who brought it. the one man in this country's history who actively thwarted the peaceful transfer of power. it is unclear to us how or when the justices will resolve this. it is likely that this could add months of delay to the interference case. if that happens, this might not proceed to trial. this case may never proceed to trial at all. joining me is doug jones of alabama. on thursday, it was the room where oral arguments were held. senator, good to see you. thank you for being with us this morning. the tension between some of those justices and the arguments they are making was obvious. some members of the court were split on this. what was it like in that room? how did you sense what was going down? >> it is always a somber occasion when you are sitting in the supreme court listening to oral arguments. it is a very ornate courtroom. i for one was not that surprised that the nature of the arguments. even the hypotheticals. justices asked questions for a lot of different reasons. there was a lot o
the petitioner who brought it. the one man in this country's history who actively thwarted the peaceful transfer of power. it is unclear to us how or when the justices will resolve this. it is likely that this could add months of delay to the interference case. if that happens, this might not proceed to trial. this case may never proceed to trial at all. joining me is doug jones of alabama. on thursday, it was the room where oral arguments were held. senator, good to see you. thank you for...
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petitioner, however, claims that a former president has permanent criminal immunity for his official acts unless he was first impeached and convicted. his novel theory would immunize presidents for treason, sedition, murder, and here conspiring to use fraud to overturn the results of an election and perpetuate himself in power. such presidential immunity has no foundation in the constitution. the framers knew too well the dangers of a king who could do to wrong. they devised a system to check abuses of power, especially the use of official power for private gain. here, the executive branch is enforcing congressional statute and seeking accountability for petitioners' alleged misuse of official power to convert democracy. that is a compelling public interest. in response, petitioner raises concerns about potential abuses, but established legal safeguards provide layers of protection with the article three court providing the ultimate check. the existing system is a carefully balanced framework. it protects the president, but not at the high constitutional cost of linkage criminal immu
petitioner, however, claims that a former president has permanent criminal immunity for his official acts unless he was first impeached and convicted. his novel theory would immunize presidents for treason, sedition, murder, and here conspiring to use fraud to overturn the results of an election and perpetuate himself in power. such presidential immunity has no foundation in the constitution. the framers knew too well the dangers of a king who could do to wrong. they devised a system to check...
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mike, now she's an unofficial litigant petitioner before the court. >> i would say te coo liz cheney come i would say to liz cheney and these other watchdog lou republican politicians, this is so much bigger than donald trump. this is about the presidency.an if you can indict it president of the united states for his official acts, not his personal x, his official acts, we are going to destroy the presidency, and therefore disprove the mic destroyed the president. can the justice department charge president obama forca picapital murder for his extrajudicial drone strike of two american citizens, including a minor? ann thd the seven justice depart charge illegal mass parole of migrants into the country and resulting crimes? do the democrats really want to go down this path? >> laura: senator i think of chief justice roberts who was kind of institutionalist. he likes to stand for the executive branch, and i think othersr th on the court do as w. again, this could be put an end to all of these cases. but i'm concerned that there also might be through the court running this fear of their
mike, now she's an unofficial litigant petitioner before the court. >> i would say te coo liz cheney come i would say to liz cheney and these other watchdog lou republican politicians, this is so much bigger than donald trump. this is about the presidency.an if you can indict it president of the united states for his official acts, not his personal x, his official acts, we are going to destroy the presidency, and therefore disprove the mic destroyed the president. can the justice...
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opinion of some, they did not spend enough time on the specific case in front of them and the specific petitioner who brought that case, the one man who actively thwarted the peaceful transfer of presidential power. it's unclear exactly how the justices will resolve this. but it appears possible that their decision could add month of delay to trumps federal election interference case. if that happens, the case may not proceed to trial before the elections in november. trump is elected to another term, it may never go to trial at all. nearly two years ago in the january 6 million invited to participate in one of its hearings, the judge opened his testimony with these words. quote, a steak was driven to the heart of american democracy on january 6, 2021. in our democracy today is on a nice edge,". the statement has aged well. our democracy remains on a nice edge because justice has not been served, and we face the possibility that the supreme court could play a role in delaying it further. joining me now is the retired former federal judge, previously serving on the fourth circuit of appeals. cruci
opinion of some, they did not spend enough time on the specific case in front of them and the specific petitioner who brought that case, the one man who actively thwarted the peaceful transfer of presidential power. it's unclear exactly how the justices will resolve this. but it appears possible that their decision could add month of delay to trumps federal election interference case. if that happens, the case may not proceed to trial before the elections in november. trump is elected to...
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petitioner, however, claims that a former president has permanent criminal immunity for his official acts unless he was first impeached and convicted. his novel theory would immunize presidents for treason, sedition, murder, and here conspiring to use fraud to overturn the results of an election and perpetuate himself in power. such presidential immunity has no foundation in the constitution. the framers knew too well the dangers of a king who could do to wrong. they devised a system to check abuses of power, especially the use of official power for private gain. here, the executive branch is enforcing congressional statute and seeking accountability for petitioners' alleged misuse of official power to convert democracy. that is a compelling public interest. in response, petitioner raises concerns about potential abuses, but established legal safeguards provide layers of protection with the article three court providing the ultimate check. the existing system is a carefully balanced framework. it protects the president, but not at the high constitutional cost of linkage criminal immu
petitioner, however, claims that a former president has permanent criminal immunity for his official acts unless he was first impeached and convicted. his novel theory would immunize presidents for treason, sedition, murder, and here conspiring to use fraud to overturn the results of an election and perpetuate himself in power. such presidential immunity has no foundation in the constitution. the framers knew too well the dangers of a king who could do to wrong. they devised a system to check...
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it sounds private petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing blinken chord of a verification signed by petitioner that contain false allegations to support a challenge. >> sounds bright. >> three private actors to attorneys, including those mentioned above, and a political consultant helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding and petitioner and a coconspirator attorney directed that effort you ready to quickly i believe that it's private that's really significant. >> so a revision for what we've heard in the past. so the chief justice really laid out the next issue, which is that he and the other justices don't believe that the lower courts spent enough time when they rejected trump's argument, trying to suss out what exactly is an official act? what was he doing in his private capacity? so off it seems like we're we're going here. is that the court will likely set up some kind of test or parameters or the court will lay out how you figure that out, but then it sends the entire case b
it sounds private petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing blinken chord of a verification signed by petitioner that contain false allegations to support a challenge. >> sounds bright. >> three private actors to attorneys, including those mentioned above, and a political consultant helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding and petitioner and a coconspirator attorney directed...
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commander grimes, how is the cicp structured to ensure accessibility and fairness to petitioner's and how does this compare to vicp or even the traditional litigation system? >> thank you for that question. in the cicp we administer the program by statute . an individual we call a requester files a request for benefits and then must submit medical records to the cicp to show that there is compelling evidence to support it was directly caused by the user administration of a covered countermeasure. a covered countermeasure could be a covid-19 vaccine. it could be a smallpox vaccine. >> we will stay focused on covid-19. that's what our obligation is in this subcommittee. do you feel it is more appropriate to have commissioners for covid-19 fees to be paid by the manufacturer or the taxpayer? >> petitioner's are for the injury compensation program and those are through the routine administration with an excise tax levied on it were as the requesters for the cicp are paid for compensation of claims through appropriated funds and administration of the program is also paid for those appropri
commander grimes, how is the cicp structured to ensure accessibility and fairness to petitioner's and how does this compare to vicp or even the traditional litigation system? >> thank you for that question. in the cicp we administer the program by statute . an individual we call a requester files a request for benefits and then must submit medical records to the cicp to show that there is compelling evidence to support it was directly caused by the user administration of a covered...
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the m.o. was to make money from every state petitioner possible, and small-town hospital ceo pam davis looked like just another easy mark. but in this case, the whole shakedown process is recorded by the hospital executive who was getting shaken down. [laughs] woman: he needs to reset your wire. [laughs] oh, god, another wire. sorry for, uh... -i don't care. -just in here. uh, the governor really wasn't on my radar, um, at all until i experienced an extortion attempt through one of his, um, colleagues. pam's hospital system wanted to build a new facility in plainfield, illinois. seems pretty straightforward, but there were red flags right away when she went to get government approval for the project. davis: in my case, the governor had appointed individuals to this board who had either contributed money to his campaign, so they bought their way on, or individuals that were controlled by the governor and other individuals and would approve only those projects where a kickback was going to be given. turns out the board was willing to approve the hospital. all she had to do was use builde
the m.o. was to make money from every state petitioner possible, and small-town hospital ceo pam davis looked like just another easy mark. but in this case, the whole shakedown process is recorded by the hospital executive who was getting shaken down. [laughs] woman: he needs to reset your wire. [laughs] oh, god, another wire. sorry for, uh... -i don't care. -just in here. uh, the governor really wasn't on my radar, um, at all until i experienced an extortion attempt through one of his, um,...
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>> the idea that uncle red being gone, he was the youngest of the three, that of the two remaining petitioners are 109 years old means that there is just, by definition of nature very little time for them to get justice. they were little kids, they were babies, they were toddlers when it happened but they remember it. doesn't it feel like that should carry some weight ? people always try to say you can't do preparations because the victims are long gone. they are not gone. >> i think it's very interesting and you brought up my man, uncle red and we missed him. in my career of 20 years working on this issue, i've lost so many survivors. to be down to the last two, it felt like it was a powerful feeling to see the two 109-year- old women in court today but i was saddened they are having to spend these years in their life still going to the courthouse is trying to get justice. you said something, hey, this is special injury. some of the defendants were trying to say these two living survivors were not injured, particularly by the massacre. i think the court saw through that and i am just so thank
>> the idea that uncle red being gone, he was the youngest of the three, that of the two remaining petitioners are 109 years old means that there is just, by definition of nature very little time for them to get justice. they were little kids, they were babies, they were toddlers when it happened but they remember it. doesn't it feel like that should carry some weight ? people always try to say you can't do preparations because the victims are long gone. they are not gone. >> i...
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instead underscores the unprecedented nature of petitioners alleged conduct. this is, obviously it is written in a legal brief. i think it is an important, powerful message point that should be continued to be repeated. he is facing this despite what sherilyn just said, the supreme court should be arguing this because of his actions lisa, talk to me a little bit about that, why that was so important to include or whether you agree. >> it was hugely important to include in part because that is a principal argument on which donald trump has relied, that in our nations history, we have never seen a prosecution like this and you know that some of the superlatives that come out of his mouth, the hyperbole's, he is very fond of speaking in never before have we seen this or people always say, right? one of the things that he has incorporated into his legal filings is we have never seen anything like this before. so i think it was important for the special counsel to counter that and say we haven't seen this because nobody has acted in office like you have. and to you
instead underscores the unprecedented nature of petitioners alleged conduct. this is, obviously it is written in a legal brief. i think it is an important, powerful message point that should be continued to be repeated. he is facing this despite what sherilyn just said, the supreme court should be arguing this because of his actions lisa, talk to me a little bit about that, why that was so important to include or whether you agree. >> it was hugely important to include in part because...
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to the 90 people justices, he was known as the petitioner, asking them to grant him immunity from criminal prosecution. we can now add one more title to that list, unindicted co- conspirator. that is the title trump has been given in two cases brought against loyalists who allegedly participated in the effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election. the latest indictment comes out of arizona, attorney general christmas press charges against 18 people for their roles in that state speak electeds scheme. they include rudy giuliani, mark meadows, and other prominent trump allies and literally lawyers. the indictment alleges those 18 defendants "schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency to keep unindicted co-conspirator number one, donald trump, and office against the will of arizona's voters." that was dropped in the middle of a very busy newsweek for the president and his attorneys. at. trump's week began with opening statements on monday in his criminal trial in new york which was followed by the prosecution calling it's first witness. david pecker, over the course of fo
to the 90 people justices, he was known as the petitioner, asking them to grant him immunity from criminal prosecution. we can now add one more title to that list, unindicted co- conspirator. that is the title trump has been given in two cases brought against loyalists who allegedly participated in the effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election. the latest indictment comes out of arizona, attorney general christmas press charges against 18 people for their roles in that state speak...
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, which leaves in place the ninth circuit's decision to affirm the us district court's dismissal of petitioner's religious discrimination claim against the city of fremont. but lee says the fight is not over. she still has a case with the state of california and says a judge with the state's first district court of appeals recently ruled fremont must allow its citizens to get due process when getting a permit. she says the city now has to pass new laws. >> that's going to help a lot of people and also helping me, and then we would have to go through a new hearing, she says. >> her temple is still up and she will not make changes until the future court battles are settled in fremont. ryan curry abc seven news. >> pro-palestinian employees of google staged demonstrations today to protest the company's work with the israeli government. several dozen people rallied outside google's sunnyvale headquarters, while others occupied the office of google cloud ceo thomas kurian. the employees are looking to stop google cloud's $1 billion ai contract with the israeli government, named project nimbus. last w
, which leaves in place the ninth circuit's decision to affirm the us district court's dismissal of petitioner's religious discrimination claim against the city of fremont. but lee says the fight is not over. she still has a case with the state of california and says a judge with the state's first district court of appeals recently ruled fremont must allow its citizens to get due process when getting a permit. she says the city now has to pass new laws. >> that's going to help a lot of...
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mechanisms to contest the results in an election and outside the record, but i think of public knowledge, petitioner and his allies filed dozens of electoral challenges. >> trump lost those legal challenges to the 2020 election. end of june is the last we would hear from them. the latest we would hear from them. could be any time before that. >> dana: what are the top three things that could happen here? >> well, if the justices rule in favor of donald trump, we may not see a trial in washington, d.c. at all for attempts to try to overturn the 2020 election. if they rule against donald trump in some way, special counsel jack smith will move forward with his prosecution. the question is when that is going to happen because the judge paused the case in washington, d.c. while this went to the supreme court. so they need at least 2 1/2 months to get the engines back on to get things moving. the third thing, of course, it may go back down to the appeals level or trial level if the justices have some sort of piecemeal decision that further would delay things past the election and that's what trump's team
mechanisms to contest the results in an election and outside the record, but i think of public knowledge, petitioner and his allies filed dozens of electoral challenges. >> trump lost those legal challenges to the 2020 election. end of june is the last we would hear from them. the latest we would hear from them. could be any time before that. >> dana: what are the top three things that could happen here? >> well, if the justices rule in favor of donald trump, we may not see a...
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the petitioner's effort to remain in power by fraud. quote, nothing in constitutional text, history, precedent or policy considerations supports the absolute immunity that the petitioner seeks. although it will surprise no one that that hasn't stopped trump's lawyers from asserting that he could go so far as to direct s.e.a.l. team 6 to assassinate a political opponent. that's being said out loud now. that's where we are as a country, as a democracy. that is where we are. even beyond this epic question of the scope of american presidential power is the all important second question, right. that is what profound damage has been done, how far away from true north are we as a democracy that this question is being considered at all. no american president, not one, not even richard nixon asserted that a president should have such sweeping immunity. not even nixon did that. and yet the man who is making that argument in an attempt to avoid accountability for his actions, actions he barely denies just so happens to be the current republican no
the petitioner's effort to remain in power by fraud. quote, nothing in constitutional text, history, precedent or policy considerations supports the absolute immunity that the petitioner seeks. although it will surprise no one that that hasn't stopped trump's lawyers from asserting that he could go so far as to direct s.e.a.l. team 6 to assassinate a political opponent. that's being said out loud now. that's where we are as a country, as a democracy. that is where we are. even beyond this epic...
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it instead underscores the unprecedented nature of petitioners alleged conduct and he argues a bedrock principle of our constitutional order is that no person is above the law, including the president. this comes in advance of oral arguments that are scheduled for april 25th and while the legal issues are not that complex, this is all about whether the supreme court will act swiftly enough for trump to face trial before the election or whether they will bail him out by delaying, and second, jack smith and his team have to argue against absolute immunity before a new audience. mary mccord is former acting attorney general, and cohost of the prosecuting donald trump podcast. and she joins me now. mary, first to the top line impressions of this brief? >> i think it's a very strong brief, i guess the best . the government has filed in a series of briefs because first a brief in the trial court before the judge and they prevailed there than they briefed it before the d.c. circuit and they prevailed there. it go through all the arguments made before but in somewhat of a different level of cl
it instead underscores the unprecedented nature of petitioners alleged conduct and he argues a bedrock principle of our constitutional order is that no person is above the law, including the president. this comes in advance of oral arguments that are scheduled for april 25th and while the legal issues are not that complex, this is all about whether the supreme court will act swiftly enough for trump to face trial before the election or whether they will bail him out by delaying, and second,...