our own armored combat vehicles that are produced, and we can eventually buy them, this is not such high-tech equipment, we can produce our own modules, we have several types of combat modules for armored vehicles, but we need modern air defense systems. this year, ukraine spent eight times more on the development of weapons inside the country than in the 23rd, these are the data... new york times. the publication also writes that the production of armored vehicles has increased by three times, by four times anti-tank missiles. it is publicly known about the development of an air defense system and long-range missiles 700 km. and about 200 companies deal with drones alone. but, despite all the growth of the defense industry, there are still enough problems with a shortage of personnel or open registers, which on the one hand reduce corruption risks, and on the other hand reveal the location of enterprises.

and help the russian command to plan missile attacks, unfortunately, the bureaucratic process that we had, it did not go anywhere, and just to create a production, create, launch such a production, pass tests, well, it is officially declared that it has become easier, in fact, titanic shifts have occurred only in the field of unmanned systems, and there are both unmanned munitions and drones themselves. in the armaments , there are direct drastic changes, simplification, we do not yet feel, that is why it is one side why it is difficult, and why it is risky, the other side is that as of today yes, the registers of manufacturers are not closed, data on defense-industrial enterprises of the complex are not closed, moreover, now, well , that does not concern us at the moment. but

for example, state factories, managers all state factories are declared, their places of residence, income and so on are indicated, well, it should be a little, i think, settled. management of military resources and development of the industrial base plays. a key role for victory in the long war of attrition, in this sense it is important for ukraine to develop its defense industry, but it is obvious that without western technologies and capacities it is impossible to surpass the russian military-industrial complex, if ukraine can theoretically still cover the need for drones on its own, then, for example, in anti-aircraft rockets, tanks or no planes. in the already mentioned new york times publication, it is said that last year there was an in-house force for the armed forces. purchased weapons for 10 billion

dollars, the amount for ukraine is huge, but still, it is almost five times less than in the package of military aid from the usa, which was voted by the senate, but has not yet been considered by congress. these were donbas realities, i'm yaroslav krechko, see you soon. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, about war and about our victory. today in the program. battle during the time of yar. the russians are intensifying mechanized attacks against the backdrop of a shortage of personnel and ammunition in the armed forces. is there a threat of a breakthrough? in anticipation of bold

decisions, while american aid is blocked, the european union is going to expand military support to ukraine. mobilization without demobilization. the draft law passed by the parliament is waiting for the signature of the president, will the new legislation help to win the war? we will talk about this and other things during the next hour with our political guests expert volodymyr tsibulko. americanist oleksandr kraev and politician boryslav bereza. the second part of our program will feature journalists olga len and oleksiy mustafin. however, before starting our today's big conversation, let's watch a video of repelling the attack of the russian invaders near chasovoy yar. heavy fighting is currently taking place there. we are watching a video of how the enemies were beaten by the ukrainians.

glory to the armed forces of ukraine, glory to the heroes! friends, we are working in... live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube platforms and facebook, for those who are currently watching us on social networks and on the youtube platform. please take part in our survey, today we are asking you about whether you would trust the power of the military police after the war, yes, no, everything is quite

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tv viewers, actually, that there is a draft law in this. the main provisions: those with limited fitness and those who received the second and third groups of disability after 20. on february 4, 22 , except for military personnel, must re -pass the vlk. all conscripts must clarify their data in the tcc, cnap or electronic cabinet within 60 days. all men must carry a military registration document and show it on demand authorized security forces. men who do not update their data or evade mobilization may have their driving privileges restricted. consular services will be limited to conscripts abroad for the time being. they will not update their data, the provisions on rotation and demobilization, as i said, after 36 months, will be spelled out in a separate law that will be passed later. mr. volodymyr, what will be the consequences of these changes to the mobilization legislation and

the mobilization procedure, well, first of all for society, and secondly for the war. well, first for war, for war. constant , uninterrupted training of specialists is necessary, especially since the war is moving into a more high-tech phase, the training of such specialists will have to be carried out for much longer, secondly, in many brigades, the combat-ready staff now has about 40%, which means that they need to be replenished as soon as possible, it is desirable to preserve the professions of the professions. and the skeleton of the brigades, it is very difficult, because most of the class specialists sit continuously at the front for two years, and if we do not come up with at least some rational rotation, then we remember 17-18 year, there for six months on the line

of hostilities, and then the brigade was taken to rest, now, of course, the intensity of the war is significant. higher, so it is necessary to find some form of financial stimulation, or, accordingly, more frequent rotations, because, first of all, it is noticeable that there is a lack of high-class specialists in the military specifically from all electronic warfare, er, further er , well, it is expected that ... the introduction of the aviation component, in a few months, in two months, probably, aviation will start to work, for aviation it is necessary huge infrastructure and engineering personnel, especially in the area of ​​aviation weapons, so there are a lot of challenges here, but at the same time

, the assault brigades are simply exhausted and you need to somehow understand, give them a rest, otherwise they are just people on the edge of... possibilities, this, it's just burning out, so to speak, the most valuable personnel, the most experienced, and it will be expensive for the armed forces. mr. volodymyr, i wanted to ask your attitude to the fact that, in principle, all the amendments that were also proposed by the people's deputies over the last two months, they have been virtually ignored, except in committee, and it looks like the bill that the government tabled on december 26, 2023 could be fully voted on in january, for example, or february. and time was simply lost for the development of these and for the preparation

of these amendments, and they, they, well, they simply, simply did not enter this law for one simple banal reason, because the deputies from the servant of the people were not in the session hall on april 10, they did not vote for these amendments, these amendments were simply all repealed as such did not get the appropriate number of votes, why was it necessary to follow all these procedures, what is all this for? it was necessary to arrange and show that the parliament was deciding something, when in the end everything was actually decided outside the parliament. well, here is a very important political point, the fact is that such laws as the law on mobilization, they should be a law on justice and a law on national unity in the face of external threats. in fact, the quality of the discussion of this law and the votes cast. by this law, they are very unconvincing, 227 votes is, in essence, such

a psychological experiment, even the position of zelensky himself is important here, because one of the first comments that appeared after the adoption of this law, zelensky himself says that the current legislation suddenly it turns out to be enough for the petitioners to be recognized as petitioners, but did this ... naked law bring more justice to the people in the army, the current people in the army, it was in the army that they hoped for 36 months, as a certain well, the term of such a cut-off, when a person who has spent a total of 36 months of being in combat operations and at the front, she must rest for at least a year, otherwise she will simply... professionally collapse and exhaust herself to the extent that, well, human psychology , she cannot stand

all this, but the fact that this norm on demobilization was not included in this law is also, in principle, the absence of this, well , conditional gingerbread, that is, for those who have already been mobilized and for those who is going to mobilize because it is unclear mobilization continues... but no one sets these terms, those who are already at the front do not understand when their service will end, when they will be able to demobilize, and those whom they are trying to mobilize also do not understand how far they are going or at whole life or there until some injury or some statue, mr. serhiu, the most regrettable thing in this whole story is that the legislator refused to make a mandatory surcharge for being on the front line. well, the amount was fixed there, in my opinion 70 00 hryvnias, and the legislator refused it

to introduce, and the cabinet of ministers introduced it, well, formed it in the form of a resolution, a resolution is not a law, that is, considering how non-binding the ukrainian cabinet of ministers is in relation to the military, this refusal to include a financial incentive in the law also looks like a mockery of common sense makes sense, in general , a progressive scale of surcharges should be introduced, for example, after 12 months , additional payments to the military would have to be increased by 50%, after 244 by another 50%. plus, everyone there is remembered in the 17-18 years for the destruction of enemy equipment were good premiums, where are these premiums now? i believe that they should be introduced,

we do not have answers to these questions, but we see that despite all the complexity of this law, it has been adopted, and obviously the president will sign it, or if he does not sign it, then he must return it with a veto with his own, well use the veto and come back with your amendments, in this process that is taking place. during the last few days, we still did not see these leadership positions of the supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, after all, he was not the one who convinced the people's deputies of ukraine to vote before that. he recorded a video and said: well, now we are having conversations with the parliament so that they, that is , zelensky's distancing from this law, from the very process of mobilization, the intensified process of mobilization, because now there will be rules for all conscripts, for those with limited suitability, they have already been canceled, now they are either

suitable or unsuitable, that is, a lot of questions will arise, but it is not clear on whose side these questions should be put, on the side of the leadership of the armed forces, they say: "we only the customers of the mobilized." the verkhovna rada adopted this law, the supreme commander-in-chief says: "we, we convinced the verkhovna rada of ukraine." that is, why do you think there was no political leadership in this process, although the process of mobilization is a matter of life and the death of ukrainians, the question of the future of ukraine, the present and... the future as well, well , first of all, the mobilization is taking place according to the political decision of the political leadership, and not the decision of the military, secondly, zelensky's completely comical behavior, as if he, no, by introducing this bill, in the future he will not sign it, because he

will sign this bill, or he will not sign it, here the question is also an intrigue, if he signs this bill... draft, then he is a co-author of this bill, if they want to shift responsibility on the military, that it was the military that ordered such a law, it is not true, the political primacy of politics is always in, well, in the management of the troops, it is always preserved, the military are only executors of political decisions, no matter how ... i twist it, let's remember absolutely a paradoxical story with the lowering, with the law on lowering the bar mobilized from 27 to 25 years, the law was not signed by zelensky for more than a year, for more than a year, well, as far as i remember, the norms for signing the law are a month, that is, two weeks, a month,

a month, in fact, the law was not signed for a year, and in the end for... zelensky signed it, even this law, it is not corrupt, it really divides society into those, well, into serfs and not serfs, in fact, because it is very, very inconsistent and - well, i would say unconstitutional in its spirit, that is , perhaps there is no letter of unconstitutionality, but the spirit of unconstitutionality is that the part. society is placed in absolute inequality, an unequal position with the rest of the population, and in this regard, zelensky, no matter how he wriggles out, he will have to side with the military and be a co-author and bear full responsibility for this, well, i would say, not very popular among the people law. well , while the people are discussing a new law on

mobilization, switzerland is preparing a global one the peace summit, and putin and lukashenko, who met yesterday. in moscow, they criticize the world community and say that without russia, the issue of the future of ukraine cannot be resolved, and putin insists on returning to the draft of the so -called istanbul treaty, which was justified by the negotiating teams of ukraine and russia at the beginning of the large-scale invasion, let's hear what putin says about the upcoming summit of peace to switzerland, the idea is moving forward, the idea is moving forward. to hold a conference in switzerland, we are not invited there, moreover, they think that there is nothing for us to do there, at the same time they say that it is impossible to solve anything without us, and since we are not going there, it is already a kind of panopticon, they say that we refuse to negotiate, they do not invite us, but they say that we refuse,

it was it's not so funny as it is sad, i want to emphasize once again that we are in favor, but not... in the format of imposing some schemes that have nothing to do with reality. you know, i looked at this picture again and realized that the poptikom is right there, what was in the kremlin, did you see at what distance their filmed by journalists, that is, it is not at all clear who is sitting there, or it is just a sound track, some pranksters make this sound track, and the impression is that putin was not really there, mr. sergey, the comedy is that two military evils. the usurpers of power are teaching the democratic world how to act, this is it, well, this is the pinnacle of such, i would say bullshit, the fact is that... after such applications, the international criminal court finally has to decide not only with putin, but also with lukashenka , by the way,

lukashenko should have received the same a long time ago the warrant of the international criminal court, well , something is being delayed somewhere, it is obvious that it is necessary that our legal allies try to insist that... because the criminal international criminal court has already expanded the range of announced searches from two to four, well, lukashenko himself would so to speak, he could appear in a gag, well, something stops him from this noble gesture. at the very end, very briefly, what do you think the solutions can be at the global peace summit, and how far this peace will be in some perspective. we will be able to see this peace, well it seems to me that this global peace summit, it is a development, i remember two or three years ago, and then two years ago, on

the initiative of joseph biden , a global democracy forum was held, and it seems to me that this swiss summit can outline the construction of a secure eu policies for the future, for the next 100 years. thank you, it was... volodymyr tsibulko, mr. volodymyr, thank you for the conversation, and we continue our program, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are now watch us on youtube, please take part in our survey, today we ask you this, would you trust the political power of the military after the war? yes, no, everything is quite simple, on youtube, if you have your own opinion, please write in the comments, if you watch us on tv, take it in your hands. smartphone or phone and vote if you trusted the political power of the military after the war and trusted them with power 0800 211 381 no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to

these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up this vote. next we will be in touch with oleksandr kraiv, expert of the council of foreign policy ukrainian prism, americanist, mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you. thank you for being with us today, yes, congratulations, good evening to you, this, this week, mr. alexander, david cameron flew to washington from great britain and met with antony blinken and with donald trump, and the main topic of conversation, of course, was , this is ukraine's support in this difficult situation that is developing in our country state, just yesterday the prime minister of japan visited fumi there. sida, and he called on the united states of america to support ukraine and provide the necessary assistance. the question is quite simple: to what extent, in your opinion, is the congress

of the united states of america ready to make a decision on allocating $61 billion in aid to ukraine. if we are talking specifically about the house of representatives, because in fact the senate already is. has indicated his willingness to provide that assistance, the house is as prepared as speaker johnson is, speaker johnson is prepared to do so during the next one and a half, two weeks, because a vote of no confidence is being prepared against him, a vote of no confidence from his fellow party members, from the side of mardor taylor, and therefore in order to call for a certain set of votes in order to save him from this vote of no confidence, he necessary in one form or another. either from the side of the republicans, or from the side of the democrats, to present a certain aid package for ukraine, so in the next one and a half to two weeks

we can expect an aid package for ukraine, in what specific form it will be, it will landlist, whether it will be a loan, or whether it will be any other form of assistance, we cannot say yet, because speaker johnson simply did not give us the opportunity to talk about it, because he did not present the specific text of the bill, but... in the near future, we will see the specific work of the speaker, we will see specific decisions that can be put to a vote, and we will really be able to assess johnson's chances of political survival within the framework of american politics, and accordingly, the chances of passing a pro-ukrainian aid package for ukraine. the minister of foreign affairs of poland, radosław sikorski , in an interview with cnn, reproached the congress of the united states of america for the prolonged scare with the decision to help ukraine, which leads to the destruction, as he said, of the energy infrastructure and threatens new waves of refugees. let's hear what radislav

sikorsky said. i again call on speaker johnson, let democracy decide, the issue must be put to a vote so that funds and the necessary weapons can be supplied to ukraine, if not, russia will cause new destruction, and the trust in the usa will be in question. mr. alexander, when sikorsky and other... leaders are calling on johnson to pass the decision of the house of representatives, does that mean that this decision depends not only on johnson, but on the potential candidate for the presidency of the united states of america, donald trump, and precisely through the prism this, it is only through the prism of this that one must look at this situation. here we must be frank that johnson is not an absolutely one hundred percent independent politician.

in principle, until the beginning of march this year johnson was really just trump's spokesman, and american political scientists recognized it, independent political scientists recognized it, that johnson really broadcast only trump's policy in relation to the house of representatives in relation to congress as such. at this stage, johnson is trying to play a certain individual role, he is trying to find new allies, but in principle he continues to play within the boundaries of the trump fold. and within this. logic, indeed, what foreign leaders do, what cameron does, what sikorsky does, what macron is doing personally, all this influence that they have on the united states of america, it shows that a potential future leader of the united states of america needs to pay attention to the ukraine issue, to pay attention to the aid issue, so if trump really wants to be a global leader, if he wants to make a really potential impact on

the inter'. the national community, on its european allies within nato, he needs to be more pro-european, he needs to be more aware of ukraine's problems. therefore, what sikorsky is saying now what cameron was doing, although officially this visit was not as successful as everyone hoped, but it is all directed not so much at trump, but at johnson, it is directed at the fact that he should understand his potentials in terms of politics, he.. . must understand his potentials in terms of survival as the speaker of the united states house of representatives, and he must still put the ukrainian project, the ukrainian budget project to the vote, because this is his only chance to agree with the union to keep him in the position of speaker. with conservative republicans, with potentially democrats, it already depends on the text of the bill itself, so one way or another, but also the statement of sikorsky and...

cameron, which he made, it's all directed at johnson, it's all directed at trump and that that aid to ukraine, it is not exclusively a matter of foreign policy, it is a matter of domestic policy, and it is a matter of american elections. well, what is the interest, can you explain what is the interest of trump not to provide money to ukraine? his only interest is to sink biden's rating, because biden has been talking about ukraine for the past two and a half years. this is solely a question of his administration, this is solely a question of how active a foreign policy president he is, how much he is a transatlanticist, and now biden, or rather trump, now trump, who before that, as early as july 23, said that ukraine is a corrupt hole that is not worth investing in , that is worse than afghanistan, trump is now saying that he would be much

stronger than biden, he would be much... more effective and he could save ukraine, that is, in this case, ukraine is just a tool, a tool of the internal political struggle between biden and trump, and ukraine is the issue on which trump has been simply dulling biden's rating all this time, in all these 2.5 years, and now he sees that at this moment biden is unable to do anything with congress, and he himself wants to play a proactive role in helping ukraine, that is, ukraine. is not really an individual topic of conversation within the pre-election debates of the united states. ukraine is a tool. ukraine is a tool for trump to sink biden's ratings and to show that he is an active president in terms of foreign policy. well, while the united states of america is solving the ukrainian, the so-called ukrainian question regarding financing and regarding.