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will be that of karen mcdougal. >> well, that's impressive. i'm so glad you said paulo, because you're tightening his grip because the prosecutor just ask david, quote, do you know somebody named karen mcdougal obviously that is going to be the second story here. and this one is going ally fcinating. because they just laid out the mechanics of how these agreements worked and how for the first time they bought a story. we do now know karen mcdougal, who store. they also bought and you're saying yes, i do. as they are now getting into this story this is incredibly significant fill in this moment just given karen mcdougal story, was bad, david was worried when they bought that story, that they were violating campaign finance rules? >> yes. actually did research to make sure that they weren't are trying to make sure that they were on the right right side of the wall, which i imagine you're probably going to be hearing about that process because corporations can't spend 100 and over $100,000 from them as to what they can actually spend on that. and
will be that of karen mcdougal. >> well, that's impressive. i'm so glad you said paulo, because you're tightening his grip because the prosecutor just ask david, quote, do you know somebody named karen mcdougal obviously that is going to be the second story here. and this one is going ally fcinating. because they just laid out the mechanics of how these agreements worked and how for the first time they bought a story. we do now know karen mcdougal, who store. they also bought and you're...
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karen mcdougal story. and when you look at the charging documents here for trump, there are some hints about where this goes. next david pecker ends up paying her, but at some point, he decides to not get reimbursed from trump world and i'm curious as to why that happened. so this is the opening salvo, but there's more to counter. so again, you're not going to find the crime a to z found in any one paragraph of testimony, prosecutors have to build a case here and i think two things jump out at me from the transcript. one, this is a full nine alarm fire in trump world and in the national acquire in pecker's environment, they are i mean, they're pulling each other out of meetings. they're borderline panicked okay. the other thing is that establishes a really important chain of communication because this is one of the rare instances. there's a few were david pecker has direct contact with donald trump. most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that
karen mcdougal story. and when you look at the charging documents here for trump, there are some hints about where this goes. next david pecker ends up paying her, but at some point, he decides to not get reimbursed from trump world and i'm curious as to why that happened. so this is the opening salvo, but there's more to counter. so again, you're not going to find the crime a to z found in any one paragraph of testimony, prosecutors have to build a case here and i think two things jump out at...
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between karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. he talks about not wanting to get involved in stormy daniels. he says, i am not purchasing this tour i am not going to be involved with a porn star. as i've suddenly this is a line. he's going to draw it. i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial. he's the one who negotiated the ndas with mcdougal and with stormy and the timeline is professor kim knows is crucial in any prosecution in august of 2016, keith david rohde will say this is public, that he had a meeting with dylan howard who unfortunately is not a key witness, has been brought u
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they're going from their sabotaging karen mcdougal. they talked about, but door man who would made allegations which were proven to be false about a child, but trump's father was false. now, you're on stormy daniels, where are we in the testimony of david pecker? we're almost at the end because he is also talking about that trump tower meeting was what prosecutors have called the thank-you meeting where he talks to he goes and he sees trump. >> trump. thanks, tim taking care of this? he also invites him to the inauguration. david pecker said he didn't go, and then there's one more meeting that prosecutors have flagged. so this is what i expect david pecker will be asked about when in return soon for after lunch, was that it was in the spring or summer of 2017 after trump has been president, he invites david pecker to the white house, keep i'm sorry. i keep davidson. i'm dylan howard goes along with him and it was the thank you dinner. and he thinks him then trump thinks david pecker for everything he's done for the campaign. so that is
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i mean, yeah. >> there's hello surrounding karen mcdougal? yes, there's no question for exclusively when you're a weekly publication and you need to hold someone from speaking to another media organization for a week's time, you're going to put them under some type of exclusivity. it could be a couple hundred dollars, it could be several thousands of dollars. i mean, we operate in no differently. i mean, we were bowl hold about the fact that we practice checkbook journalism and certainly there were individuals who called the enquirer tip line specifically because they were looking for money, but television shows would pay for video. they would pay still pay for somebody's scrapbook are still photos. it would justify some pain minutes, but they weren't as direct as the national enquirer in terms of what it's become i mean, it is a shadow of its former self in terms of readership. and in terms of do you think that they, do you think it will continue? >> i mean, that's you know, that is so hard to say. i feel a great deal of sadness over the way
i mean, yeah. >> there's hello surrounding karen mcdougal? yes, there's no question for exclusively when you're a weekly publication and you need to hold someone from speaking to another media organization for a week's time, you're going to put them under some type of exclusivity. it could be a couple hundred dollars, it could be several thousands of dollars. i mean, we operate in no differently. i mean, we were bowl hold about the fact that we practice checkbook journalism and certainly...
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mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be funny to hear. no, no. >> it's humiliating for sure. >> obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday. here's what he said this morning. >> i want to start by wishing my life were you happy birthday? >> i should be with her, but i'm the courthouse for rnc. >> so far. >> i'll be going there this evening absolutely. >> case furnishes out with this horrible unconstitutional okay now, you also posted a two-minute video on social media for her birthday, highlighting her time as first lady, and that is what really stood out to you today's stephanie, how come you know, i rolled my eyes when he did that, it was it was so beyond inappropriate, but yet so donald trump that on the way into a trial where they are t
mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be funny to hear. no, no. >> it's humiliating for sure. >> obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday....
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that's largely about karen mcdougal. there's a passing reference to stormy daniels in the story, but that is, that is a story that was published in the aftermath of access hollywood right before the election that was really back here, mcdougal now, the prosecutor is getting back into the notion of stormy daniels, and that is why so much of david pecker's testimony is about mcdougal or the doorman because that's what ami was involved with. i actually the stormy daniels thing, as we know, pecker said he wanted no part of that. is magazine is at walmart and that will look so good or what have you. and then this is on michael cohen and donald trump dissolve. and so they want to i guess the prosecutors now, if you look here, pecker says of daniel, sorry, that he wasn't going to print it or buy it or be associated with they wanted him to reassess sir that this issue, stormy daniels, which is what all the paperwork in this case is about those payments. that squarely in donald trump's lap via michael cohen were standing by to ge
that's largely about karen mcdougal. there's a passing reference to stormy daniels in the story, but that is, that is a story that was published in the aftermath of access hollywood right before the election that was really back here, mcdougal now, the prosecutor is getting back into the notion of stormy daniels, and that is why so much of david pecker's testimony is about mcdougal or the doorman because that's what ami was involved with. i actually the stormy daniels thing, as we know, pecker...
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so starting with karen mcdougal could, because i think this is actually fundamentally different. we were just talking about from stormy daniels. this was longer term, this was something that trump i mean, he's still denies actually the karen mcdougal relationship. what are you expecting from her? >> this one's more complicated. she has not been antagonistic about donald trump. she still speaks with him with some affection she described in her interview with anderson cooper, she described that they were in love. it was a very an actual relationship and that she ended it because she felt very bad about it being an affair. she's a religious woman and i think it's gonna be very different for him to see her in that courtroom versus stormy daniels or that was a more surface level? bowl, a fair it was a transactional. >> they were talking about a roll on celebrity apprentice for stormy daniels. it was not an emotional affair where he talked about having a child and karen mcdougal in her account, i think it's much more emotional thing than the stormy daniels that's really fascinating. i
so starting with karen mcdougal could, because i think this is actually fundamentally different. we were just talking about from stormy daniels. this was longer term, this was something that trump i mean, he's still denies actually the karen mcdougal relationship. what are you expecting from her? >> this one's more complicated. she has not been antagonistic about donald trump. she still speaks with him with some affection she described in her interview with anderson cooper, she described...
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trump that was going to extend karen mcdougal's contract? it was for six months. the contract was up and i felt that from the last lunch that i had with her that we had fulfilled some of the obligations that she was looking for, specifically her beauty products and media training. so i was going to send her a new contract he thought that was on our original conversation. he thought that that was also a bad idea. so when i received the second call, when i got the call back and hope hicks and huckabee sanders, huckabee that sarah sanders when she was on the call, i explained to them to the two of them why i was going to extend the agreement and both of them said they thought it was a good idea. prosecutor asked, what was the reason that you gave for why you wanted to extend karen mcdougal's contract. pecker says, i wanted to extend or contract so she would not go out, not give any further interviews, are talked to the press, or say negative comments about american media or mr. trump? now you said that when you had your individual conversation with mr. trump, he was
trump that was going to extend karen mcdougal's contract? it was for six months. the contract was up and i felt that from the last lunch that i had with her that we had fulfilled some of the obligations that she was looking for, specifically her beauty products and media training. so i was going to send her a new contract he thought that was on our original conversation. he thought that that was also a bad idea. so when i received the second call, when i got the call back and hope hicks and...
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and karen mcdougal story. so then trump's lawyer saying confronting with him some notes that an fbi agent had taken after an interview, david pecker gave to them. and in those fbi notes the notes say the david pecker didn't recall any gratitude from donald trump's, so he was challenging on on that asking him about that david pecker says i know what i remember. this is going back to 2018. i didn't recall back from what i'm saying here is that during the fbi investigation, i know what i said yesterday happens, so i can't reconcile what the fbi interview was. if someone made a mistake or not beauvais says, so you can't reconcile because what you said yesterday is inconsistent with what's in this report, correct? pecker says yes, but i wouldn't be responsible for this report, but they said i understand. so you're suggesting that the fbi made a mistake here. pecker said, i know what the truth is. i'm not i can't state what the woods here why this was written, this way. i know exactly what was sent to me so interest
and karen mcdougal story. so then trump's lawyer saying confronting with him some notes that an fbi agent had taken after an interview, david pecker gave to them. and in those fbi notes the notes say the david pecker didn't recall any gratitude from donald trump's, so he was challenging on on that asking him about that david pecker says i know what i remember. this is going back to 2018. i didn't recall back from what i'm saying here is that during the fbi investigation, i know what i said...
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mcdougal's contract it should be extended. >> so just to remind people, karen mcdougal is 1998 playmate of the year, who alleged she had a long term affair and part of the catch and kill was to give her $150,000, david pecker did to have her not tell her story publicly it was not a script pecker said going on to confirm he wasn't surprised by any questions from the prosecutor. that's about the separate issue about whether they're not the defense or the rather the prosecution has coached him. in any case, karen mcdougal had this contract. she was she got $150,000. they bought the rights to her story, including her alleged a with donald trump and then david pecker calls the white house. and so should we, should we extend her contract? pecker said both of them hope and serous anderes said that they thought it was a good idea. >> now those are taxpayer funded employees of ours, of the white house at the time giving recommendation that karen mcdougal's contracts should be extended? >> that's that's pretty interesting. >> i don't think either of them were thinking also about trump's family or
mcdougal's contract it should be extended. >> so just to remind people, karen mcdougal is 1998 playmate of the year, who alleged she had a long term affair and part of the catch and kill was to give her $150,000, david pecker did to have her not tell her story publicly it was not a script pecker said going on to confirm he wasn't surprised by any questions from the prosecutor. that's about the separate issue about whether they're not the defense or the rather the prosecution has coached...
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i mean, the he had an independent business relationship with karen mcdougal. she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines he i don't know why he wanted to do that, and obviously, trump did know why either and he was and you sent me off donald trump. what's up and down that well, it's not the first time. >> what i think is also significant about these passages is that it shows direct contact between david pecker and donald trump and a lot of pecker's testimony was going through michael cohen, the vast majority he was communications about karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. we're through michael cohen, but as prosecutor, you want to be able to point to these exact excerpts and say donald trump himself knew what was going on. it was very invested and not just conversation der conversations, but conversations and statements saying like we have an agreement with stormy daniels according to pecker, which gets to donald trump's state of mind that he knew there for these agreements in place because they were for his benefit. and that's the thing. is tha
i mean, the he had an independent business relationship with karen mcdougal. she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines he i don't know why he wanted to do that, and obviously, trump did know why either and he was and you sent me off donald trump. what's up and down that well, it's not the first time. >> what i think is also significant about these passages is that it shows direct contact between david pecker and donald trump and a lot of pecker's testimony was going...
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there's the one with karen mcdougal. and karen, there's also the one with stormy daniels. so these are bad acts that they're allowing alleged bad acts that they're allowed to bring in the prosecutor. yeah. well, this is this is the case. this is the meat of the case. so these are the charged conduct. interestingly, one of the things that matt colangelo's the de making the opening right now said which is david is a coconspirator of donald trump, not he acted as is coconspirator, not his publisher. so what he was saying is that's the conspiracy that meeting that happened in august of 2015 when they got together and they agreed they formed a conspiracy where they all got together and had an agreement that they were going to catch and kill these negative. >> and the first one according to the prosecutor, was this $30,000 payment to former doorman of trump tower, who alleged that trump had fathered a child outside of his marriage. there doesn't appear to be anything to that story at least now that we've seen no evidence that it's a real story, but the payment was made either wa
there's the one with karen mcdougal. and karen, there's also the one with stormy daniels. so these are bad acts that they're allowing alleged bad acts that they're allowed to bring in the prosecutor. yeah. well, this is this is the case. this is the meat of the case. so these are the charged conduct. interestingly, one of the things that matt colangelo's the de making the opening right now said which is david is a coconspirator of donald trump, not he acted as is coconspirator, not his...
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glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross this morning yeah no that. >> was the meat and bones of the prosecution's case in terms the idea that this was all tied to the campaign, that this wasn't a personal thing that wasn't what rudy giuliani is to talk about it. oh, was just disparate as family the embarrassment. >> no the entire criminal congruent between ami and donald trump threw my cohen was to assist the campaign to catch and kill these stories for the purpose of assist in this campaign. >> david pecker himself knew very well this was a campaign finance violations, but here's the catch. >> we're not charging him in new york wit
glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross this morning yeah no that....
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he was paying money for the karen mcdougal scheme but at some point they said, you we're done being the bank. we are no longer sort of your bank for paying off these people in the caching kill& that explains why it is that michael cohen had to take out this home equity loan that we were hearing about just as the testimony was ending today and explain that difference. now, there's why it is that the national enquirer wasn't paying for this third and final scheme with respect to stormy daniels, but it had to be paid for by michael cohen. so i think that is a very important new detail that we heard that helped flesh out the scheme that we, the basics of which we knew about your book breaks down the very colorful cast of characters in this specific case, but not necessarily trump's assisted rhona graff and michael cohen's banker, gary farro. these lower profile voices set up the record keeping in the accounting that are clearly crucial to this overall case. but how to prosecutors make those rather dry details that we were hearing? very compelling for the jury not every witness in a trial is
he was paying money for the karen mcdougal scheme but at some point they said, you we're done being the bank. we are no longer sort of your bank for paying off these people in the caching kill& that explains why it is that michael cohen had to take out this home equity loan that we were hearing about just as the testimony was ending today and explain that difference. now, there's why it is that the national enquirer wasn't paying for this third and final scheme with respect to stormy...
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and was asking him, how's karen doing referring to karen mcdougal? >> what trump's team has been trying to do today, and it may seem in the weeds, but it's important it is to undermine what they were saying about the mcdougal agreement, saying actually she did benefit from it because she had these columns published by ami publications that had her name on it to have benefited her career. they're arguing they're saying that they believe they misled michael cohen on whether that agreement with karen mcdougal is bullet-proof. they're basically trying to undermine that. this is all this big cover up and beauvais is asking pecker about that testimony. you were just talking about yesterday, when pecker said trump thanked him for the doorman's story, kristen, you talk to trump sources all day long. what have you been hearing from them as they watch by the way? because obviously there are no cameras in the courtroom. my impression from some trump people as they're watching what we put on the screen and what we've put on cnn.com, beauvais, tip pecker, quote,
and was asking him, how's karen doing referring to karen mcdougal? >> what trump's team has been trying to do today, and it may seem in the weeds, but it's important it is to undermine what they were saying about the mcdougal agreement, saying actually she did benefit from it because she had these columns published by ami publications that had her name on it to have benefited her career. they're arguing they're saying that they believe they misled michael cohen on whether that agreement...
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mcdougal what payment the evidence of karen mcdougal will come into this case because it's relevant as background, but it's not charged as a crime. >> and the reason is the state crime here is falsification of business records. the allegation, as i said before, is that they did that with stormy daniels because it was really a hush payment, but they called it attorney's fees, but they did not do that with karen mcdougal. it was structured separately. it was structured essentially as a catch and kill that was no falsification. they paid her for the story and then they killed it. so the state law doesn't quite apply here on top, which is the point you were making before. yeah, but that with karen mcdougal, there was discussion of the trump trump world giving ami basically back that money. am i didn't do that and that's the next step that did not happen in that case. it makes it different from what and rudy giuliani is on television in 2018 saying that michael cohen wasn't doing legal work for donald trump when he was paid that amount of money. it's higher than the $130,000. it's closer
mcdougal what payment the evidence of karen mcdougal will come into this case because it's relevant as background, but it's not charged as a crime. >> and the reason is the state crime here is falsification of business records. the allegation, as i said before, is that they did that with stormy daniels because it was really a hush payment, but they called it attorney's fees, but they did not do that with karen mcdougal. it was structured separately. it was structured essentially as a...
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karen mcdougal had a similar experience where initially when you look at the reporting, the offer was quite low for her story, it was someone who had suggested said, hey, you should tell your story. that guy is running for president. you want to be the one to tell your story. and then she came out with that also to speak to what this is all going to what these people at least believed it was about david pecker researched whether or not he was violating campaign finance laws when they were making the payment to karen mcdougal because obviously incorporations also cannot donate that much money to a political candidate. so he even thought that this was on the brink of violating the law and again, like look, i think i can't speak to the legalities of whether it's state or federal. >> but the way that the system also works in this country is that you can't just have people handing $130,000 to a candidate or corporation having $130,000 to a candidate. that's not how the system works to in order to protect the voter. i mean, there is an interest here in the voter& if we call this hush money,
karen mcdougal had a similar experience where initially when you look at the reporting, the offer was quite low for her story, it was someone who had suggested said, hey, you should tell your story. that guy is running for president. you want to be the one to tell your story. and then she came out with that also to speak to what this is all going to what these people at least believed it was about david pecker researched whether or not he was violating campaign finance laws when they were...
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this is where pecker testified trump asked him how karen mcdougal is doing, how significant is that? >> well, i think it could be very significant wealth. i mean, i think that you're seeing right now earlier today, we saw trump's lawyers trying to say jazz, the david pecker is memory was faulty asking questions about contradictory answers he had given in different interviews with prosecutors. and i think that you will see he that is a theme, but to your point about the picture, there's documentation that backs up. what the story of the pecker is telling. there were a lot of references to text messages to email so the fact that pecker and those are supposed to speak to pecker's credibility. the fact that pecker is saying that he had this conversation with trump where trump was knowledgeable enough about karen mcdougal to ask, how is she doing? i think could end up being significant. they also elicited the prosecutors will from david pecker, an answer about essentially his motivations where it was of animus for trump and david pecker is answer was he was my mentor. i'm paraphrasing, bu
this is where pecker testified trump asked him how karen mcdougal is doing, how significant is that? >> well, i think it could be very significant wealth. i mean, i think that you're seeing right now earlier today, we saw trump's lawyers trying to say jazz, the david pecker is memory was faulty asking questions about contradictory answers he had given in different interviews with prosecutors. and i think that you will see he that is a theme, but to your point about the picture, there's...
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deal and just to remind folks, the karen mcdougal deal, this was a playboy playmate who alleged having a ten to 11 month relationship with donald trump. she had a story and what happened was that the tabloid magnate david pecker in ami, his company hired her. i gave her $150,000 to write a column for a different magazine in their end-to-end prior, i think it was health or health and fitness or something like that. she never wrote anything. she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david pecker had an election attorney look at this. this deal was going on. >> i think right before the 2016 election as well. yeah. well, it the implication would be that there was no actual election law violation as a result of these types of deals. right. so he has a lawyer ticket over. apparently the lawyer blessed it. right. and the deal with stormy daniels is strictly shuffle actually very, very similar, right? so that's sort of the implication. i don't think it actually is that potent of an observation. i don't i doubt we're going to hear from that lawyer in the course of this trial, which would be
deal and just to remind folks, the karen mcdougal deal, this was a playboy playmate who alleged having a ten to 11 month relationship with donald trump. she had a story and what happened was that the tabloid magnate david pecker in ami, his company hired her. i gave her $150,000 to write a column for a different magazine in their end-to-end prior, i think it was health or health and fitness or something like that. she never wrote anything. she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david...
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so when he is back on this in on thursday, he will then begin to describe the karen mcdougal deal we got just the beginning of this today where they learned about her allegation of a romantic relationship with trump, and they're figuring out what to do with it. when he left us 20 today was that he was being called frequently by a by michael cohen who wanted to know where things stood. so that will pick up on thursday, understanding how this deal ended up being one of these caching kills were ami paid $150,000 start to go away and then shifting into the stormy daniels payment that is at the heart of this case. and what that transfer and how am i found out about it and how it ultimately led to michael cohen being the one to pay the $130,000 that then prosecutor peter say trump reimbursed in width so that we'll get to the key elements of this case when pecker is back on the stand on thursday. >> all right. kara scannell outside the courthouse in manhattan. thanks so much for joining us. sounded discuss is jeremy saland, a former prosecutor with manhattan district attorney, as well as tr
so when he is back on this in on thursday, he will then begin to describe the karen mcdougal deal we got just the beginning of this today where they learned about her allegation of a romantic relationship with trump, and they're figuring out what to do with it. when he left us 20 today was that he was being called frequently by a by michael cohen who wanted to know where things stood. so that will pick up on thursday, understanding how this deal ended up being one of these caching kills were...
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or he had just begun talking about karen mcdougal, the former playboy playmate, and his efforts to bury stories about her. this gets into a very important subject areas about what donald trump did and how he did it to keep stories from going public. and he could testify about stormy daniels later as well. there is more news though breaking overnight new charges in arizona against several donald trump's closest associates were trying to overthrow the election results. there former chief of staff mark meadows, is among those charged. now remember cassidy hutchinson worked for mark meadows and she spoke to cnn overnight, cnn senior crime adjusted reported katelyn poland's has the latest on that front, hard to keep up with it all galen yeah. >> john cassidy hutchinson is not likely to be a witness in this new york hush money trial, but she is someone who had a front row seat to the trump presidency. she was in the white house. she's someone who was very loyal to donald trump at the time it before becoming a key witness related to what happened during the 2020 election that led to other crim
or he had just begun talking about karen mcdougal, the former playboy playmate, and his efforts to bury stories about her. this gets into a very important subject areas about what donald trump did and how he did it to keep stories from going public. and he could testify about stormy daniels later as well. there is more news though breaking overnight new charges in arizona against several donald trump's closest associates were trying to overthrow the election results. there former chief of staff...
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mcdougal to get up there potentially. >> i just remind everyone what karen mcdougal has said about her alleged affair with donald trump when i got what ham actually, there was a there was a real relationship there, there was real if they were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just him. >> there was a rare relationship. there. were you in love with him? >> i want to and do you think he was in love with you? >> he was. yeah did don't trump ever say to you that he loved you all the time? i still me he loved me no. >> i don't maybe this is not a question, but is monitor angry are about stormy daniels or karen mcdougal? >> well, this is something i reported on back in the de for cnn and she's far more concerned, an emotional about karen mcdougal cool. because mostly of the things that she just said there to anderson cooper she was in her home, right? she don't jump took her to their their private personal home and he also according to karen mcdougal, said the elward's said that he loved are and that they loved each other. i think for millennia, john, that's far more
mcdougal to get up there potentially. >> i just remind everyone what karen mcdougal has said about her alleged affair with donald trump when i got what ham actually, there was a there was a real relationship there, there was real if they were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just him. >> there was a rare relationship. there. were you in love with him? >> i want to and do you think he was in love with you? >> he was. yeah did don't trump ever say...
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she also confirmed that he kept contact information for karen mcdougal and for stormy daniels who's said she saw at trump tower and assumed that she was being considered for celebrity apprentice from the transcript, am i correct that prior to starmer, stormy daniels coming up to the office at trump tower, you recall hearing president trump discuss whether stormy daniels would be a good contested answer? i vaguely the recall hearing him say that she was at one at one of the people who may be an interesting contestant on that show and then last step today you had michael cohen's former banker, gary farro, a connect the dots kind of witness said that cohen coordinated with him to try to create an account for an llc that cohen would use to pay stormy daniels at 130,000 bucks. >> now from the transcripts, they tell you what the new account would be four answer the same for real estate and did he express any type of urgency and opening the account answer every time moke michael cohen spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this is one of those times answer, this is one of those times. let'
she also confirmed that he kept contact information for karen mcdougal and for stormy daniels who's said she saw at trump tower and assumed that she was being considered for celebrity apprentice from the transcript, am i correct that prior to starmer, stormy daniels coming up to the office at trump tower, you recall hearing president trump discuss whether stormy daniels would be a good contested answer? i vaguely the recall hearing him say that she was at one at one of the people who may be an...
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pecker also discussed in earlier scheme involving former playboy model karen mcdougal. she alleged having a nearly year long relationship with trump, which the former president denies. pecker told the jury he would not have entered into the deal with mcdougal if it wasn't going to benefit trump's campaign saying, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. trump's attorney, emil beauvais, used his time cross-examining pecker to show how the mutually ben relationship between him and trump went back almost two decades before the 2016 election. he confirmed with pecker that he had been giving trump a heads-up about negative stories during that time, bove as pecker if it was standard operating procedure for media to work with politicians, including sometimes to win elections pecker replied, yes. >> today was breathtaking. this room. he went on, he was breathtaking and amazing testimony. before court, trump commented on pecker's testimony at a stop at a midtown construction site. prosecutors cited his words to the judge on thursday as
pecker also discussed in earlier scheme involving former playboy model karen mcdougal. she alleged having a nearly year long relationship with trump, which the former president denies. pecker told the jury he would not have entered into the deal with mcdougal if it wasn't going to benefit trump's campaign saying, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. trump's attorney, emil beauvais, used his time cross-examining pecker to show how the mutually ben...
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pecker was that your purpose and locking up the karen mcdougal story to influence the election. this is laura's point about repetition. again he says pecker says, yes. so cyclists, if i understand you correctly, running stories that praise mr. trump appealed to your readership. packers says yes, they did what they were doing here was suppressing these stories that appeal to the rigueur ship in a way that later on in this, he does say this was actually against our interest because we could have made a ton of money on this story but chose not to because it was in our interest to help out donald. >> how does that play marcus? >> well, i think it plays well, honestly, for the for the government's case, when we go to the reputation of, your going through these themes like instead of being the national enquirer where i'm going to post these trump stories. i'm going to keep it because i wanted to win the election and that's really important for proven up in the misdemeanor to the felony sayyed this false business records claims, and i don't know. i've heard a lot of commentators say th
pecker was that your purpose and locking up the karen mcdougal story to influence the election. this is laura's point about repetition. again he says pecker says, yes. so cyclists, if i understand you correctly, running stories that praise mr. trump appealed to your readership. packers says yes, they did what they were doing here was suppressing these stories that appeal to the rigueur ship in a way that later on in this, he does say this was actually against our interest because we could have...
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david is company made to buy the rights to former playboy model karen mcdougal story about an alleged affair with trump years earlier. >> ronen spoke to mcdougal in detail, the allergen patients and the scheme to kill her story tomorrow when the trial resumes, ronan's reporting will be a key piece of evidence. >> i i spoke to mcdougal in 2018, and the only tv interviewed she'd done about her relationship with trump. here's what she told me once donald trump won the republican nomination, right? kites, you're saying ami suddenly came back to you with interests to keith? yes. to us for the story. yeah. >> what do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back they wanted to squash story you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump i'm assuming so. yeah. >> if donald trump hadn't been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami knowing what you know now, probably not know how for not you're pretty you're convinced now this was an effort to do a favor for donald trump in the last few months of the presi
david is company made to buy the rights to former playboy model karen mcdougal story about an alleged affair with trump years earlier. >> ronen spoke to mcdougal in detail, the allergen patients and the scheme to kill her story tomorrow when the trial resumes, ronan's reporting will be a key piece of evidence. >> i i spoke to mcdougal in 2018, and the only tv interviewed she'd done about her relationship with trump. here's what she told me once donald trump won the republican...
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mcdougal the one alleged affair with alleged affair. the other was adore man who alleged falsely the trump was the father of a child. and the third, of course, with stormy daniels, who is the basis for the charges in the case. and david is the key figure in all three of these who basically controlled the money, or at least for two of them he controlled the money for how these stories we're going to be suppressed. and that, that's what that's what colangelo's talked about in the opening statements, and that's what cracker began to testify in his testimony today. and qarrah white is the suppression of these stories matter? >> because at the time hi and what they were trying to do in the opening statement and what they're going to try to do through the witnesses is take the jury back to 2015 and 2016 when none of this information was out in the open and the access hollywood tape had just come out and the campaign very much did not want these negative stories. trump was not the candidate that he is today with the popularity that he has now,
mcdougal the one alleged affair with alleged affair. the other was adore man who alleged falsely the trump was the father of a child. and the third, of course, with stormy daniels, who is the basis for the charges in the case. and david is the key figure in all three of these who basically controlled the money, or at least for two of them he controlled the money for how these stories we're going to be suppressed. and that, that's what that's what colangelo's talked about in the opening...
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it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about. and he just keeps going. i don't know what are we getting. cohen says, leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry i'm handling that's the crop that that would be what i would argue and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much, but i won't concede this, right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with credible arguably, but at some point the notion. so i was involved in the scheme to make an illegal campaign donation and i was involved in this scheme to sort of pay off michael cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. now, arguably that is the defense that is their best defense. but at some point, if he's involved in all the other parts of this scheme, i think it's reasonable to say, well, maybe he was in involved in this part of it was checking to make sure that the payment was made in cash. >> that does point to a level of of
it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about. and he just keeps going. i don't know what are we getting. cohen says, leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry i'm handling that's the crop that that would be what i would argue and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much, but i won't concede this, right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with credible...
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let's michael cohen, karen, that's karen mcdougal is a nice girl. is it true that a mexican group is looking to buy the story for 8 million. so trump is saying to hit david pecker that he talked to michael cohen. this is trump talking and says michael collins says karen's a nice girls is it true that a mexican group is seeking her story for $8 and pecker says he told trump, he absolutely did not believe that was true. $8 million from some mexican. and this is important because david pecker has direct contact here with donald trump. a lot of what david pecker was testifying about before he was communicating with and through michael cohen. so trump says to david pecker, according to pecker, what do you think i should do this is about the fact that karen mcdougal is allegedly out there with her story of a ten, 11 months relationship with donald trump this is in 2016, by the way, what he's running for president, he does not want the story out. pecker recalls he told trump, i think you should by the story and take it off off the market. that's, catch and
let's michael cohen, karen, that's karen mcdougal is a nice girl. is it true that a mexican group is looking to buy the story for 8 million. so trump is saying to hit david pecker that he talked to michael cohen. this is trump talking and says michael collins says karen's a nice girls is it true that a mexican group is seeking her story for $8 and pecker says he told trump, he absolutely did not believe that was true. $8 million from some mexican. and this is important because david pecker has...
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the transaction around karen mcdougal, this other affair at a certain point, it started to become the parent to the people inside the national enquirer that there was too much much heat around this. there was too much risk, and i think that's why you see the stormy daniels transaction looking so different through colon and there was a report that the $3,130,000 was too much and sort of pass it onto cohen. >> it started to get both overly expensive and risky looking risky specifically in the sense that might ultimately have the potential to put people in legal jeopardy. >> what else do you think i mean, what's the most important thing you think will be used for on the stand tomorrow. >> i think speaking to that meeting. and what was said in that meeting and pushing back on what we already heard in the opening stages. today from the trump defense team, which is, hey, this is just a guy trying to protect his personal life, trying to protect his marriage by saying no, there was a meeting that catalyze this in which it was explicitly said this is about helping donald trump during the elect
the transaction around karen mcdougal, this other affair at a certain point, it started to become the parent to the people inside the national enquirer that there was too much much heat around this. there was too much risk, and i think that's why you see the stormy daniels transaction looking so different through colon and there was a report that the $3,130,000 was too much and sort of pass it onto cohen. >> it started to get both overly expensive and risky looking risky specifically in...
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i just want to play what karen mcdougall said during the interview. or not, we don't have it. >> why would he have amended -- i don't understand why david would have amended the agreement with karen? >> is not clear to me either. he had an independent business with mcdougall she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines. i don't know why he wanted to do that. obviously, trump didn't know why either common he was thiss spirit. >> what i think is significant is it shows direct contact between pecker and donald trump. it was about this and as a prosecutor you want to point to these excerpts and say donald trump himself knew what was going on. >> not only indirect conversations but saying we have been agreement with stormy daniels according to pecker which gives to a state of mind he knew the agreement was in place. >> they were for his benefit. that is the thing. one of the issue is is did donald treat -- track did he do this to get elected. the quotes that you read showed that he knew that is why these agreements were in place and he was
i just want to play what karen mcdougall said during the interview. or not, we don't have it. >> why would he have amended -- i don't understand why david would have amended the agreement with karen? >> is not clear to me either. he had an independent business with mcdougall she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines. i don't know why he wanted to do that. obviously, trump didn't know why either common he was thiss spirit. >> what i think is significant is it...
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mcdougal google's silence being bought for $150,000. that would have been and i forget if i don't know if it was the prosecution or mr. packer, but tabloid gold was the term that was used because people who read the national enquirer would have bought a lot of copies of it to read the story about donald j. trump, and 1998 play of the year pecker was the first witness on the stand for four days what do you know having researched this so much for your book and for the article about karen mcdougal, what do you know about david pecker and his relationship with donald trump that the jury did not here well, one thing is that it was a wider, deeper relationship than is being admitted into this case. there was a safe that contained a lot of materials about trump those materials moved locations several times over the course of disk becoming an electoral issue. there was a list that i was shown by a senior ami source of trump's stories, not all of them terribly consequential. some of them were his feud with rosie o'donnell, but some of them were
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this election interference case doesn't involve just stormy daniels it involves karen mcdougal, karen mcdougal is a former playboy model who the new yorker magazine first reported had an affair and with trump. >> prosecutors say, and the enquirer were part of a scheme to pay mcdougal and stormy daniels for their stories about their alleged affairs with trump. and then to bury those stories. >> so it's called catch and kill as an approach, story is an episode that's, it might be incredibly embarrassing or damaging to donald trump as he ran for president might be acquired by the national enquirer and never see the light of day. >> trump has denied having affairs with both mcdougal& daniel's. prosecutors have given david immunity in exchange for his testimony his former company, american media, has signed a non-prosecution agreement with prosecutors. born in the brain rocks picker, didn't start his career with the tabloids, but was gradually drawn to that world i believe it's an accountant he had worked in book publishing but he saw an opportunity he thought in tabloid news with american
this election interference case doesn't involve just stormy daniels it involves karen mcdougal, karen mcdougal is a former playboy model who the new yorker magazine first reported had an affair and with trump. >> prosecutors say, and the enquirer were part of a scheme to pay mcdougal and stormy daniels for their stories about their alleged affairs with trump. and then to bury those stories. >> so it's called catch and kill as an approach, story is an episode that's, it might be...
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donald trump is asking a lot about karen mcdougal, this former playboy playmate. what impression does that leave the jury? >> well, sort of no using a worn-out analogy of the godfather here. if you think about the godfather sitting back and just sort of asking these benign questions, showing some interest in what's going on without maybe given the command to do the bad de or to continue to say well out of thinking about this, and this has been a very good idea. you've had there without actually giving the affirmative statement to go do something that's sort of what we're seeing. and i think that's going to be the argument the prosecution has to make you because there is no question michael cohen is the man in the middle doing the work. i mean, he's out there talking to david pecker and doing checks and running accounts. and i mean, that's his thing. and so he's gonna have his own problems on cross, but this, this effort by the prosecution makes a lot of sense to me whether it's successful, we'll see, but they have to tie trump for this. yeah, we can talk about tha
donald trump is asking a lot about karen mcdougal, this former playboy playmate. what impression does that leave the jury? >> well, sort of no using a worn-out analogy of the godfather here. if you think about the godfather sitting back and just sort of asking these benign questions, showing some interest in what's going on without maybe given the command to do the bad de or to continue to say well out of thinking about this, and this has been a very good idea. you've had there without...
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they named karen mcdougal, who's that? $100,000 payment to the former playmate of the year? he says that she had an affair and was in love with donald trump, at least 45 times. stormy daniels, 35 times, and david 64 times that's the opening files. what does that tell you that that's the focus. >> well, i'll tell you this the use of the word defendant is an important one terminology plays a big role in how attorneys frame cases. certainly the defense is trying to refer to the foreign president as former president trump, the prosecution is being very, very clear about referring to him as the defendant and using the term that defendant over and over again, we're trained this. we were all this is prosecutors use that term defendant to remind the jury that this person there is on trial. it doesn't matter what you think about them. you're not trying to humanize them at all you are reducing this individual you'll the facts now also, than all the other stuff backer i mentioned, this before times convey that coleman is not making that grade and the same level of their mentions, you k
they named karen mcdougal, who's that? $100,000 payment to the former playmate of the year? he says that she had an affair and was in love with donald trump, at least 45 times. stormy daniels, 35 times, and david 64 times that's the opening files. what does that tell you that that's the focus. >> well, i'll tell you this the use of the word defendant is an important one terminology plays a big role in how attorneys frame cases. certainly the defense is trying to refer to the foreign...
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now he began by introducing them to karen mcdougal. but tomorrow they're really going to get into the heart of that deal. and the role of ami, the role of michael cohen, the phone calls around this and how that came to be, and then move into the store let me daniel deal, which is at the center of this case, and bring the campaign into this even more so, he's expected to be on the stand, i think for quite awhile, maybe the whole day when the defense gets their cross-examination going, but he will be for the prosecution's witness to try to continue to establish these this catch and kill conspiracy. and then also the motive for which was to help donald trump's campaign. >> it's every day. what do you see? david pecker is role as this for the prosecution. >> i think for so long we've talked about michael cohen as the narrator, and i think what's so powerful here is that david pecker is really serving as that narrator, but he has the benefit of not having the hostility and credibility issues that are associated. michael cohen. >> but he's r
now he began by introducing them to karen mcdougal. but tomorrow they're really going to get into the heart of that deal. and the role of ami, the role of michael cohen, the phone calls around this and how that came to be, and then move into the store let me daniel deal, which is at the center of this case, and bring the campaign into this even more so, he's expected to be on the stand, i think for quite awhile, maybe the whole day when the defense gets their cross-examination going, but he...
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