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are now during on campus after ys of pro-palestinian monstrations at some of the country's foremost universities. good evening. toda 12 new york city jurors and six alternates. got there. first peek inside a high-stakes world far removed from the everyday white-collar charges they've been chosen to hear a world of celebrity tycoons, porn stars, allege payoff sleazy tabloids, and legal fixers safe to say 34 counts of falsifying business records never looked like this before, and no president or presidential candidate has ever been where this one is or demonstrably less in control of his its own faith a donald trump, which seemed to be written on his face as he sat through opening statements, then watched his onetime tabloid publisher friend testified for the prosecution. trump is facing possible present time if convicted and fines for allegedly violating a gag order in trying to explain that he did not do with the prosecution alleges, namely, cover up hush money payments to a porn star to keep voters from finding out this is a case

where you pay a lawyer so they call it a legal expense. that's the exact term they use legal expense in the books. >> they didn't call it construction, they didn't say you're building a building but he puts in an invoice or whatever a bill and they pay and they go to legal expense. >> i got indicted for that. >> today. the trial began in are seen as kara scannell starts off, she was inside the courthouse during the trial. >> now she's outside. so what was it seems like what was it like behind closed doors so interesting, you said donald trump sitting at the defense table, he was taking notes and handing pieces of paper to his attorneys during the prosecution's opening statement. >> and then when his lawyer took the lectern to address the jury, trump had turned to face those jurors and more than half of them raise their hand when the judge asked anyone wanted a notepad and a pen, so they were actively involved paying close attention, but also in an extraordinary move today, the chief administrative judge

agreed to publish a transcript of the proceedings every day, so the public could follow word for word. this historic proceeding as opening statements got underway today i think you'd weren't very well prosecutors open their case today. saying it all boils down to a conspiracy and cover up that trump orchestrated a scheme to corrupt the 2016 presidential election and covered it up by lying in his business records assistant district attorney, matthew colangelo's saying it was election fraud pure and simple. trump attorney todd blanche argued the former president is innocent. blanche also claimed there is nothing wrong with trying to influence an election in his remarks, colangelo, a lead prosecutor on the case. so the alleged crimes began at an august as 2015 meeting between trump, michael cohen& x national enquirer publisher david the first witness to testify in the trial on monday

colangelo's said the three formed a conspiracy at that meeting to influence the presidential election by concealing negative information about mr. trump in order to help him get elected. the prosecution said agreed to help by damaging information on trump to make it go away, a move known as catch and at the center of the case, a $130,000 payment to adult film star stormy daniels just weeks before election day in 2016, the prosecution said a sexual infidelity, especially with a porn star on the heels of the axis hollywood tape would have been devastating to his campaign. so at trump's direction cohen negotiated the deal to buy daniel story to prevent it from becoming public before the election, trump has denied having an affair with daniels prosecutors said trump did not want to write the check himself. so cohen put up the money, colangelo's argued trump cohen and former trump organization cfo allen weisselberg agreed cohen would be paid back in monthly

installments through fake invoices to the trump organization in a nod to cohen wins past credibility issues. prosecutor said key witnesses like cohen have made mistakes in the past and encourage the jury to keep an open mind and carefully evaluate all of the evidence that corroborates michael cohen's testimony then it was trump's attorneys turn blanche said the da's office should never have brought this case. he said the prosecution story is not true and the jury will find plenty of reasonable doubt. he pivoted to paint trump as a husband and father, saying he's a person just like you and just like me, trump's team suggested the payments trump may tacoma when we're not a payback for funds paid to stormy daniels, but instead payments to his personal attorney. trump defended himself against these charges after court on monday so whatever bill and they pay me the legal expense i got indicted for that plant, shifted blame to cohen saying the reality is mr. trump is not

on the hook, is not criminally responsible for something mr. cohen may have done years after the fact blanche said the prosecution's outline of a supposed catching killed deal with was not a scheme, but completely irrelevant and not illegal. >> in the afternoon, as briefly took the stand, he did not look at trump, but trump i'm blocked directly at him as he testified qarrah, what was david what did he talk about on the stand because it was limited his time today yeah david was on the stand for about 20 minutes and he started to describe to the jury how the national enquirer operates, telling them that they engage in checkbook journalism, meaning that they would pay for stories. now you also said that he had to email accounts, including one that he used for confidential and sensitive matters, will be back on the stand tomorrow. crow and he is expected to testify about these catch-and-kill deals at the heart of the case anderson curves canal. >> thanks so much, shawnees. now, jury consultant jill huntley, taylor, former trump campaign adviser, davidai urban, bestselling author and former federal prosecutor jeffrey toobin also form and

hadn't chief assistant district attorney karen friedman agnifilo, and timmy aganga-williams, who served as senior investigative counsel to the house january 6 committee. a lot to talk about, geoff. i just re-read your piece from the new yorker years ago about david a profile of him what stood out to you today about why is he the first witness? why is he so important? well, you could see that in the way coenzyme a talked about the how this case is going to work. >> that's the prosecutor. prosecutor which is this was a conspiracy to help donald trump win the election through the suppression of bad news stories us three of them, one of them being karen mcdougal the one legend affair with the alleged affair. >> the other was adore man who alleged falsely that trump was the father of a child. >> and the third, of course, with stormy daniels, who is the basis for the charges in the case. and david is the key figure in all three of these,

who basically controlled the money or at least for two of them, he controlled the money for how these these stories we're going to be suppressed and that, that's what, that's what coenzyme talked about in the opening statements. and that's what cracker began to testify in his testimony today. and qarrah, why is the suppression of these stories matters because at the time and they were trying to do in the opening statement and what they're going to try to do through the witnesses is take the jury back to 20 and 2016 when none of this information was out in the open and the access hollywood tape just come out and the campaign very much did not want these negative stories. >> trump was not the candidate that he is today with the popularity that he has now, he was sort of a a candidate that, that was a long-shot candidate and he was trying to suppress these stories. it was very important to his candidacy to

suppress these negative stories on the heels of the access hollywood tape, i think the insiders, like hope hicks, like david like michael cohen, are going to really take us into what it was like back then and why they were so desperate to get these stories suppressed and the defense said, and they're open bring statement, spoiler alert. there's nothing wrong with trying to influence an election is called democracy. so what's wrong with trying to influence an election by suppressing these stories well, i think what there what the prosecution is going to argue& is arguing that these war unlawful election contributions in part write that here, donald trump, he could have paid for catherine kill. >> that's fine. right. you're. allowed to enter ndas. that's fine. what you can't do is getting this kind of conspiracy here to have fonz going to impact an election because we have rules and regulations as to how you can spend money election and have it has to be reported. donald trump here, the accusation being that he took bunny he had it paid out, didn't report it like would be

required and then engage in this concealment. and that's part of those business records. so it's the underlying business records crime, and it's done to conceal a separate crime here potentially being this election fraud. so i think that's what's interesting here, is that there's really going to be approving up of initial crime that is in charge bridges that focuses on election schemes or whatnot. and i think later on we're going to get to the less kind of, the more boring crime which is these documents, these 34 misrepresentations allegedly by the prosecution, but it's all going to come down to why were these payments made? was donald trump just a husband trying to protect a wife perhaps, or was he actually canada trying to protect the campaign? and that would make it unlawful. >> urban is lavish chocolate i actually have a little bit of hope there. >> let's actively die. explain that. i was like, wow, if a jury has got to buy that, maybe we're gonna get a hung jury. maybe we get a not guilty because that is a lot of if it's an ifs that ifs and it's a lot of connective tissue to get to the actual crime. hear what trump is saying in what he

just said was, look, it said on the 34 things that are signed legal fees or whatever the exact wording of it what i mean if it's a payment to an attorney, he's saying it's the legal fee so any payment to an attorney is illegal. arguments have great jury appeal. i mean, they have great jury appeal. there's simple. they make sense. it's like why i paid i paid a lawyer. that's a legal fee that makes sense. i can influence election, of course. of course everybody does that. that's democracy. he makes these very simple arguments. and no matter how complicated the case is, a jury is going to make it simple. >> but i thought the defense pointed out what appears to be a real weakness in the government's case today, which is, i don't think the jury is going to have any doubt that this was hush money. i you know, this this whole idea that it was just money to to cohen, i think it's ridiculous, but the charge in this case is that donald trump cause these

documents to be filed falsely and donald trump was the head of a very big company and a bookkeeper filled out these forms how did trump tell the bookkeeper? for what to do when it appears that trump had no contact with the book. but what were some of these checks done in the white house itself? i'm in trump's sign these chairs, right? i mean, i don't think there's any doubt that trump sign the checks, but the issue is how were they recorded in the corporate records of the trump organization? >> the charge here is that that was false and how trump made those entries in the corporate records false, that leap is something i haven't heard how the government is going to prove it. we have a long way to go, but that's something i think is raising a question. >> is it to influence the election or stay off the couch? all right i mean, you embarrass wife embarrass family. >> i mean, is that what it was paid for? >> the argument against that is he then later on after the election, sort of at my understanding, is asked michael

cohen, do we have to actually go through and pay stormy daniels? so if he was really concerned about his wife finding out, i'm not sure here would be in question whether or not he needed to pay. well, that's what michael cole and get on the stand and testify and have somebody were about that. >> right. >> but i think the timing context is going to be everything here. i think i do not think they're gonna be able to prove up that he was a caring husband that was worried about what his wife at home thought i mean, one does inconsistency with the behavior of potentially would still be daniels that he was just caring husband and the defense lawyer suggested in their opening, but the timing is going to be everything this worth this will camp in michael cohen had a campaign email address. these are individuals hope hicks, she's not she's not working for him personally. these are folks are trying to get this man elected president. and that's a contact by which it's happening. and if after the election he no longer thinks he as a follow through, he still married to millennia. so if he was concerned a motivated by protecting her from formation, why would the fact that he's now president changed his views if it was really a family personal issue, he would still be as committed

to protect information from her. >> i would just simply say that maybe it's not maybe the store is not that interesting. what he's elected it's a lot of other things coming down the pike, right. and it just kind of an adjunct to this just real quickly to raise republicans look at this and saying, this seems awfully similar to what happened with the hunter biden laptop pre the 20 election. you're hearing a lot of that. from republicans no jobs, so it doesn't take as it has enough, don't know with hunter biden? it does. hold on for a second. let me explain, right. so people will say the biden story was put put out there and saying 75 intelligence officials said that this was all russian propaganda and didn't get in the news. nobody really looked at it before the election, right? there was a conspiracy, a coordinated effort to keep it out of the media until after the election, right? and people say, nobody peel back the onion that no one is looking at that. and so why, why does trump and jeff again, it seems like playing people in congress are looking at things. they just haven't really found anything. so when they do, we can talk it's about the conspiracy to keep it out of the media before, but nobody took it seriously before the

lab hunter biden has never run for president, has never been subject to campaign finance regulation since we're talking about candidate trump running for president. >> so i think that's a clear distinction what stood out to you about the former president's? >> did anything stand about the foreign persons behavior today? >> yeah, a lot stood out to me the main thing though is that he once again violated the gag order. he walked out of court and started talking about michael cohen and tomorrow morning, court is not starting until 11 or the jury's not coming back in till 11 because there's a hearing in the morning in order to determine whether donald trump violated the gag order. ten other times, but then he walked out yesterday or this morning, i should say. and talked about it again, was to talk about he's not supposed to talk about the witnesses d so it's going to be can you calhim a liar and fraud and a uple other things. and so i think the judge that i think that's really what's going to what's going to happen tomorrow is going to be very interesting because inside the courtroom,

he's on his best behaviori think he learned from his previo civil trials that outbursts and court don't win over a jury because the jury really came down hard against him in the e jean carroll cases, for example, those big vertex. anso i think he, i think he's learned that in t. i think judge meran is doing good job of keeping control of his courtroom. but outside thcour he's still violating the gag order. so tomorrow it's going to be very interesting to see what the judge does and does the argument is that michael cohen's live streaming probably rht now on facebook for the next five hours. >> michael, he's not the defendant. i understand jeff for this is this is the trump argument that he could go on on an fight& at trump's being one hand, you've made the point that, that you don't think the arguments about like michael cohen, people were sort of public figures now is a strong as going after other witnesses who were other women this is and the comments about the jury. he he made some comments about the jury last week, which i think the judge is going to be especially concerned about because judges quite properly

are very concerned about protecting the anonymity, protecting the safety of jurors they didn't sign up for this. michael cohen is a public figure. stormy daniels is a public figure, but these jurors are not public figures. and private information is already leaking out about these people. and i think the judge quite properly is going to be very concerned about making sure these people can stay to the end. and not just throw their hands up and say, i'm not i'm not going to be part of this cr everyone. >> thanks, karen mentioned judge merchan, we want to bring in john e. jones, the form, the third, the former chief judge for the us middle district of pennsylvania, joe jones. appreciate you being back with us. what was your biggest takeaway from opening statements well, it's interesting. >> i think the opening statements we're not unexpected but there's a lot that the prosecution didn't say and i'm curious about that i think they're kind of playing hide the ball, not inappropriately with some witnesses. i agree with your panelists had hope hicks is

going to be a very interesting and maybe a pivotal witness to tie the former president or not to what happened from the defense's standpoint. i was curious about todd blanche is statement that it is not illegal to influence an election. i'm not sure where he's going with that because i why he raised that is a little unclear to me. but those are the first takeaway is i had from the from the opening statements i i was surprised that judge merchan ended cord early because an alternate juror for ahead of appointment. >> i know dozens appointments are tough to get in your city and you kinda want to hold onto when you do get them, but did that seem odd to you? i mean is it important to balance lives with the court schedule? >> it didn't. >> but i think he's not going to make a habit out of it. he's trying to be solicitous and he adjourned a little bit early. you try to accommodate but eight your jurors look, they're going to be out of pocket for as long as six to

eight weeks. so you have to give him a little bit of latitude. i would think if there's a run on dentist appointments, he's he's got to toughen up a little bit, but that didn't strike me as that odd. >> how much do jurors take cues from a judge? maggie haberman, whom i'm going to talk to shortly reported from inside the courtroom, the george were intently watching judges sean today they are extremely responsive to the judge. >> and i thought that in president trump's prior trial in the defamation trial, that one of the things he did is he alienated the jurors because he was running rough shod over the judge and jurors don't like that. the judges there keeper, he greets them in the morning he gives some instructions at the end of the day you know, he he does things like hill, let them go for tennis appointments are typically there's a bond between the judge and the jury, so they are they feel a certain closeness to the judge through

the trial and that grows by the way, in your center as the trial proceeding and karen was talking about this before the trial resumes tomorrow, the judge is holding a hearing on the da's motion to sanction trump for violating the judge's gag order barring discussion of witnesses. how do you think that's going to play out? because i mean, there's not that many options. the judge really has. are there well, i'll tell you one thing. >> the trial is rolling now and what judge merchan doesn't want to do is interrupted for a sideshow. judges get focused on getting the trial and he knows that he's got these people that are inconvenienced as i just said, and their lives are disrupted by this. he's going to give everybody some time tomorrow, but he's not going to burn the de. i don't think on sanctions i think in the end he probably won't sanction the former president. i think what you'll probably do is admonish him, draw some bright lines about what he can and can't say. i think some of the stuff that the former president was doing was two cubed by half then he's going to say, look,

i'm going to give you a warning, but if it continues then you can't do it. and by the way, the statements he made outside the court today your panelists didn't comment on that per say, but it strikes me that where the president, the former president, is doing is he's testifying outside the courtroom as your lawyer panelists know that's usable if he decides to testify, he can be impeached by the statements that he's making publicly. again, i think it's attorney can control but he should not be doing that in 100 cases in 99.9 of them the lawyer would not allow the client to go out and talk about the merits of the case and paint himself into a corner. i found that to be very interested. >> we should point out in the video, we're showing, that's his lawyers standing right next to i initially thought maybe it was a secret service agent and i realized, oh, no, that's taught that is his attorneys. so he's obviously listening very closely to anything that his client says to reporters.

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grainger.com or just that by granger for the ones who get it done. >> how it really happen. >> sunday at nine on cnn as much as still photos and courtroom sketches convey about the foreign presence demeanor as a defendant, these historic proceedings are not televise, which is why it's good to be joined now by new york times senior political correspondent maggie haberman, and only has spent time inside the courtroom, but it's also trump biographer. >> so what do you make? the former president's demeanor today? what was it like? >> there were a couple of things that were striking. he looked very unhappy, he looked very unhappy on the monitors where you can see his face. he looked in court were well behind him so we can't see his face when we're in there, we have a better view and we're in the overflow room. >> so there's overflow room that has and there's monitors in the courtroom too, but it's much easier to see the monitors and the overflow room there right up at your face, it's just different he looked unhappy when he left for break. he looked unhappy when he left when court ended for the day,

it was tense in the room when david was on the stand, it was tense in the room when hello angelo the prosecutor was going through the narrative of the case and talking about stormy daniels and access hollywood, and karen mcdougal and all of these things that trump does not want to hear about. >> i said this under your earlier today when recovering this, but i just kept imagining what is going through through trump's mind when he's sitting there at the defense table watching david his former friend, ish, who knows a lot of secrets about him going back a long time on this stand it's just it's fundamentally different than what we have seen with trump over many years now, which is a lot of former aide it's are allies or adviser is going on television or writing books. this is a courtroom, and this is under oath, and this is david opening his testimony. >> we only heard a little bit of time teimony is coming back tomorrow. but him opening saying we pracced& i'm paraphrasing, but we practice checkbook journalism. that is a quote at the natnal enquirer, we paid for tips about

celebrities. and so forth. and trump knows what that means and he knows what kind of information that meant that david had and david was very poised and i think that he's going in to tell a story that the jury is going to find pretty compelling. >> david vigor essentially made a deal. i mean, for a non-profit has a non-prosecution agreement and so that's why i mean, he's testifying. >> yeah, he's testifying under subpoena. he is not doing this because he was he was the prosecutor say he's a coconspirator act. he is not there because he he wants to be there. but the prosecutors are going to try to suggest that he is testimony the same way they're going to try to say this with michael cohen is credible for xyz reasons and that these are things trump just didn't want to have come out the defense of form, present. i mean, there's no family with him,o for instance, just got his legal team understand he was he he talked about this. he was upset about thlack of proximity of supporters outde the courthouse. >> yeah. so has bn striking that there's no family because i know that there was some discussion at some point in the last couple of weeks about who would b with him in court anlast week, which was just jury

selection, there weren't that many people today. >> there was a phalanx of laers from his otherases. es n fm the trumorg, who showed up in court, but i think it's becausthey were next attorney general appeal he ik he' himself and when he feels boosted is by his supporters. and so he has been hoping for sething of a circus around his trial. but the reality anderson is that it only two to three dozen supporters max over the last week have shown up and they're positioned to protests last demonstrates slash whatever across the street from the courthouse, trump's started trying to suggest country social that's why the number has been so small is that they're all being blocked. but that's not it. it's the people are not showing up. you also wrote a really interesting piece for the new york times about how the trial is. >> strip's trump of control. and i mean, you really see that there was the famous example, just the other de of he got up to leave and the judge admonishes him, said, sit down, we're still session. but it's just i mean for anyone who's been in those courtrooms, it's a dreary i mean, it is like it's like old new york. >> it is, it is trapped in

amber, 1980. tom wolf, new new york. and it's the new york that trump thrived in. but this is not the part of it. the trump ever wanted to be captured by, and he has to sit there no cell phone board, which is not something he ever handles well, while he is being insulted or describe negatively, he doesn't have the same methods to push back. remember there is a hearing about whether he is whether the judge agreed with prosecutors that he has repeatedly violated a gag order against attacking witnesses and others in the case tomorrow and there are people around him who believed that this is part of the goal of the prosecution is simply that this process is is so shrinking and small, but courts and particularly state courts are really their own nations. essentially, there are rules that get made from on high and you are at someone else's women will it is your life is not yours. >> thank you, everyone. thank you now, major development in the documents case, it's one

that if a witness's account is true, could show what the foreign present did to secure the cooperation, loyalty d other co-defendants, he and his empress joins us now with breaking news talk about what you've learned what anderson, this is a witness who is not identified is only by number witnesses 16. and what this person was totally telling the fbi in november 2022, interview was that walt nauta has said that he was in offered a pardon that this was an offer those made by the former president's people, it's only referred to as the president's foreign presidents, people and it was characterization of the investigation are really just a part of what the fbi interview says. it says that the nada was told by the former president's people that is investigation was not going anywhere. where that it was a politically motivated and much of dual about nothing and said that if, even if nauta was indicted if he was charged he was for lying to the fbi that the former president would pardon him in

2024. now, we don't know again what this person, who this person is. we do know that according to this this transcript that was that was submitted in court that he worked or this person worked for the trump white house and has had very limited contact since leaving them. i will note one last thing here, that this person, this was a witness who also apparently had talked directly to the former president and encouraged them to cooperate to return those documents. the classified documents. and it said something like, let them come here and get everything, don't give them a noble reason to indict you because they will anderson has nada or trump responded at all to this? not as attorney declined to comment the former president's legal team has not responded, but i will note anderson that this is part of the defense by walt nauta to fight against the obstruction charges because he's charged with being in a conspiracy with the former

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her relationship with trump. here's what she told me once donald trump won the republican nomination, right? kites, you're saying ami suddenly came back to you with interests to keith? yes. to us for the story. yeah. >> what do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back they wanted to squash story you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump i'm assuming so. yeah. >> if donald trump hadn't been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami knowing what you know now, probably not know how for not you're pretty you're convinced now this was an effort to do a favor for donald trump in the last few months of the presidential race unfortunately, yes how is new yorker contributing writer ronan farrow, author of catch and kill lies, fires, and conspiracy to protect predators

david was obviously central to a lot of your reporting. i'm running what you make of him being called as the first witness. well, he's an obvious choice for a sort of star witness. >> there's a reason prosecutors are putting him first. he's right at the heart of this scheme. he was the guy in the position of power at am i the parent company of the national enquirer. and he was present for this meeting that prosecutors have focused on so much in august 20 where allegedly this whole scheme was brokered and this was a meeting between him, michael cohen, and donald trump. >> that's right at trump tower. and the crux of this was that there was a very explicit agreement made that they talked to openly about this being about how can you the enquirer help during the election and saying, well we can buy up stories saying, i bought a b, your eyes and ears essentially? yes. exactly. so we didn't get into all of the meat of that in the testimony that happened today, it was very preliminary. he was on the stand briefly, but what he did do was say yes, we bought stories. he called a

checkbook journalism. he said he had to personally authorized anything over ten thousand dollars, which would apply to these pivotal transactions that the prosecutors are trying to establish. and we'll hear more about that tomorrow. it was the defense in their opening statement said that there's nothing wrong with trying to influence an election gen prosecutors would argue otherwise, and the the very meaningful distinction here is whether you are paying to influence the election and acknowledging that as an electoral cost prosecutors are arguing that is not the case. >> manifest late appears not be the case. right? these were not listed that's campaign expenditures so it is the hidden aspect of it that this turns on. >> i was so fascinated. i mean, i said this earlier to try to imagine what is going through donald trump's mind, sitting there watching david, there's guy who knows all his secrets. i mean, more secrets than even what he's there to testify yeah. >> i mean, one of the things i reported on was there were ami sources who saw larger lists. i was actually shown from a

senior ami source, a larger list of trump's stories. some of them more consequential than others, not all of these were barn burner. some of them morgan about his feud with rosie o'donnell is all of the stuff they had amassed over the years, but they really did keep tabs on that. and during the election, they made sure that that list was in a safe. there were sources who claimed that there was shredding of certain documents. so people at am i knew that they did as you say, have trump's secrets & that that could be a source of leverage and potentially collaboration with him. so i think it's a pretty startling about face for trump to have to listen to this stuff in court. >> what do you think was in this for david i mean, was it proximity to donald trump's? he did he really think that they were friends? >> proximity, i think is the answer. and this was a tried and true model for david and the national enquirer. they used these tactics, this combination of carrots and sticks will buy up stories for you, maybe will threaten you that we're going to expose those stories. maybe we'll buy

them up and keep them secret for you with other celebrities before there's a laundry list of famous people that they did this with as the election june year, they saw an opportunity to do this in a much more consequential setting, right at the heart of power in this country. and then i think very quickly they realized that this was something that could backfire as it clearly has as president donald trump. >> thank david. by having him to the white house sort of giving him the grand tour. >> there were some early and knowledge of the alliance, but it's also true that by the time the stormy daniels transaction came around, and this is after the transaction over the rumor of a loved child at trump tower the transaction around karen mcdougal, this other affair at a certain good point, it started to become the parent to the people inside the national enquirer that there was too much heat around this. there was too much risk. and i think that's why you see the stormy daniels transaction looking so different through colon and there was a report that 3,030,000 wasn't dollars

was too much and pass it on to cohen. >> it started to get both overly expensive and risky looking risky specifically in the sense that it might ultimately have the potential to put people in legal jeopardy what else do you think what's the most important thing you think will be used for on the stand tomorrow. i think speaking to that meeting. and what was said in that meeting and pushing back on what we already heard in the opening statements today from the trump defense team, which is, hey, this is just a guy trying to protect his personal life, trying to protect his marriage by saying no so there was a meeting that catalyze this in which it was explicitly said, this is about helping donald trump during the election that's something that david can speak to in an almost unique way and while michael cohen, who is also going to be called as a witness, can speak to it, too, and different way he's also a more fraught kind of witness. he has been accused of lying and various formalized

settings. he's admitted to lying and various formalized settings. i think that will be explosive and meaningful testimony as well. but david today especially came off as sort of sober sanguine. he said he was there under subpoena, but that he was going to tell the truth. and i think prosecutors are relying on on that sense of relative credibility. he has referral question. thank you so much. appreciate it. still aheads and their pro-palestinian protests and charges of anti-semitism is working heightened tensions and arrested some of the nation's top universities. volvo lab report from columbia university were protests are now now in their sixth day. we'll be right back shop etsy until may 12 and get up to 30% off special mother's day gifts that go beyond the usual suspects but if she wants candles, our selection is lit order until may 12th for up to 30% off personalized jewelry. fresh start original decor and other things. moms actually loved

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investigate. here's what he found we're on the steps of columbia university. >> there is a jewish group here that's actually giving out free matzo as they get ready for passover. just across fromow is the encampment, which has stirred much emotion here on the campus with some of the jewish students feeling unsafe i consider myself a very brave person, but i won't deny that i've been physically intimidated and harassed. >> i've felt like this is not a welcoming environment. i think it's a very difficult time for a lot of jewish students. >> judges seventh of october over the weekend, the protests turned rowdy, disturbing videos show some protestors harassing jewish students. amid all this, a rabbi linked to the university urged jewish

students to stay home, saying recent events at the university have made it clear that columbia university's public safety and the nypd cannot guarantee the jewish students safety this is the center of columbia university with their colleagues the gaza solidarity encampment and an occupation here at the school as they want certain demands to be met by the school in terms of their support of israel. >> why is it important for you to be out here? sleeping out here yeah, just to show solidarity with the students that have already been arrested. >> and obviously, the people in gaza, this is the tarp area. this is where many of the medical source applies the food. >> there's coffee here, there's other goodies that just essential needs that many of the people may need who had been out here for several days.

>> so i'm jewish. a lot of focus has been on like, you know, supporting jewish students who have been facing semism. but there has not been a wanna focus on palestinian students who have been feeling anti islamic sentiments. >> how do u have parents? let's feel about good. >> proud of me and time proud of them for that last week, over 100 protesters, including some students, were removed from campus by new york police at the behest that the university and arrested on suspicion of criminal trespass. the mo stirred more tension onampus d by monday morning colombia's president mnuchin a pheic, declared that all classes would be virtual for the day and that a reset was needed. i am deeply saddened by what is happening on our campus. she wrote in a saint human these tensions have been exploited and amplified by individuals who are not affiliated with columbia, who have come to campus to pursue

their own agendas many of the students here are saying who are graduating are saying they're not sure what graduation is going to look like this here. and those who are part of the encampment are saying that they tend to be here for graduation, that they are not leaving additional pro-palestinian protests are taking place at universities ross the country, cluding ya, nyu,nd mit and today, anderson, a number of faculty members and emoyees of the school actually walked out to stand in solidarity. we with the students who are protesting in the middle of the campus, but also they're ptesting what thechool did here in ordering the arrest of those students last week, derson shimon prokupecz. thanks very much. just a head. how will the form? all are the republican party respond after house speaker mike johnson's stood up to them on aiding ukraine that with the former president just said about it next merely to turn off the amelia, whether

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congresswoman marjorie taylor greene called house speaker mike johnson, have traitor to his party in country after the ukrainian aid vote over the weekend, ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy today thank johnson. >> and others for the tens of billions of dollars in the city of kharkiv near the russian border, which has seen a lot of shelling a giant tv tower crash to the ground after a russian missile strike zelenskyy told president biden by phone today that the russians are trying to make the country's second-largest city uninhabitable. melanie zanona join us on the aftermath of this weekend's funding fight. so how much support does green actually happen? among hardliners? well, at this point there are only three republicans who have officially signed on to the motion to >>ut greene is hoping th as republics were turned me into their districts this week r the recess, hear from their constituents and see how angry the gop base is that there will be a pressure campaign that pushes more republicans the heart camp. but anderson one republican who does not appear eager to join greene in her effort is donald trump. he had

previously said that he stands by the speaker. >> and tonight, he said that he continues to defend johnson's leadership. >> take a listen we have a majority of one yes. >> okay it's not like he can go and do whatever he wants to do. i think he's a very good person. it's a tough situation when you have one and i think he's a very good man. i think he's trying very hard now, greene is one of trump's biggest cheerleaders on capitol hill. >> so he's being very careful to not directly criticize her to tell her to back off, but even just having trump staying neutral in the fight and reiterated his support for johnson is a big boost for the speaker since trump does have a lot of sway over this republican party greene does force a vote. would democrats jump into save johnson so democratic leaders have not officially committed to putting up the votes to either block or kill a motion hey, kate, but behind the scenes, there is real interest in helping johnson, and that is because democrats really admired that johnson defied his right flank,

put this package of foreign aid bills on the floor and there was really serious doubts about whether johnson was ever going to do that. >> and so the conventional wisdom, at least at this point, is that democrats ultimately will throw johnson some type of lifeline. >> and what's greens next move so the house is out for the rest of this week, which means the earliest that she could force a floor vote on removing johnson is next week, but she still has not even recruited a replacement for johnson. >> so that's certainly could work towards his advantage. anderson, who are the others who are along with john? >> with green in this gosar, the other two republicans that's paul gosar of arizona and thomas massie of kentucky, all hardline members of the house, republican party. >> they are trying to build support. that is why green hasn't moved forward just yet on her motion to vacate. she does say that there's a couple more at least behind the scenes, but we'll have to wait and see whether anyone else this comes out in the coming days and weeks, anderson. all right. melanie zanona. thanks. the news continues here on cnn