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well first off if i was michael cohen's attorney, or if i was michael cohen himself, you know, maybe there's a different decision as opposed to pleading guilty and going to prison if you feel like you're being wrongfully accused, while then you fight that charge and you have your day in court. i don't know what else was. you know? i don't know what we don't know about the michael cohen case, but what we know is that he pled guilty to those charges, and he went to prison for that. donald trump. president trump is deciding that he is going to fight these charges and he'll have his day in court and have the prosecution will have to prove their case. i think one of the other flaws in this situation is that with alvin bragg, he he's not someone who is a consistent law and order guy who is enforcing laws across the board. as a matter of fact, what he's received. a lot of criticism for is that his first day that he was in office, he put out a memo that said all these different laws across the board. prosecutors are not allowed to prosecute and all of these other offenses you have to charge.
well first off if i was michael cohen's attorney, or if i was michael cohen himself, you know, maybe there's a different decision as opposed to pleading guilty and going to prison if you feel like you're being wrongfully accused, while then you fight that charge and you have your day in court. i don't know what else was. you know? i don't know what we don't know about the michael cohen case, but what we know is that he pled guilty to those charges, and he went to prison for that. donald trump....
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thank you very much we do want to bring in michael cohen. michael. thank you so much for being here with us. don and i obviously have a lot of questions for you. as do the american people have you back together? we appreciate you joining us. what a day. it is for you today. and so this took a lot of people by surprise, including the amount of charges against former president so this is expected to be a 34 count indictment. 34 felony charges. do you understand why so many? yes i understand. i can't go in and i can't discuss it. however 34 is a pretty significant number. it certainly goes well past the stormy daniels. hush money payments are some of these because you received multiple payments again. i can't go into any of the specifics of this case. it's just not right to due to the prosecutors. this is their case, one of the things that i continues to say is that at the end of the day, there is a presumption of innocence. since and you know we do have to respect the due process clause and this case will ultimately be known to all of us. we will have
thank you very much we do want to bring in michael cohen. michael. thank you so much for being here with us. don and i obviously have a lot of questions for you. as do the american people have you back together? we appreciate you joining us. what a day. it is for you today. and so this took a lot of people by surprise, including the amount of charges against former president so this is expected to be a 34 count indictment. 34 felony charges. do you understand why so many? yes i understand. i...
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because i want to know what corroboration there is from michael cohen. that's key, and we know that there is david pecker who will give corroboration i imagine for why these payments were made to stormy daniels and to karen macdougal because david pecker was part of conversations about them being part of campaign expenditures to help donald trump in his campaign, so david pecker is going to be critical people from the trump campaign like kellyanne conway and hope hicks will also be critical if they were involved in communications about those payments and can testify that they were to further donald trump's campaign interests. but i also want to know who from the trump organization has testimony and documents that will reflect how those payments were reflected in the business records of the trump organization, and for what purposes those records were used. john so a lot of things happening today. there will be a meeting today with the new york state court officers, the nypd that secret service to go through the mechanics of tuesday . there will also be a
because i want to know what corroboration there is from michael cohen. that's key, and we know that there is david pecker who will give corroboration i imagine for why these payments were made to stormy daniels and to karen macdougal because david pecker was part of conversations about them being part of campaign expenditures to help donald trump in his campaign, so david pecker is going to be critical people from the trump campaign like kellyanne conway and hope hicks will also be critical if...
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of michael cohen. does it help michael cohen stha says he's the guy that knows about it. >> it helps the case. that's a valuable piece of evidence for prosecutors because you show a jury. here's donald trump. he's lying right here. he's saying he does thot know about these payments. we know for sure that he knows about them. there's a separate question to criminal intent, but it shows he's trying to cover something up. i want to be clear. i do not think the prosecution's case is overwhelming or a slam dunk or a smoking gun, but they have a case. i did some reporting on the deliberations behind the scenes at the southern district of new york. two years ago they were considering this same pattern trying to decide whether to charge donald trump. the consensus among prosecutors was that there was enough evidence to charge. some felt it was close to the line. others felt it was beyond that. this case does have some proof issues. it's scouring president trump's personal for years. in search for crime needs t
of michael cohen. does it help michael cohen stha says he's the guy that knows about it. >> it helps the case. that's a valuable piece of evidence for prosecutors because you show a jury. here's donald trump. he's lying right here. he's saying he does thot know about these payments. we know for sure that he knows about them. there's a separate question to criminal intent, but it shows he's trying to cover something up. i want to be clear. i do not think the prosecution's case is...
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you'd have to ask michael cohen. of course, we've seen how that saga google look at his body language. he wasn't telling the truth. everybody knew that. thank you so much. thank sarah. we will continue obviously to follow this historic indictment of former president trump. but first newly released audio reveals some of the chilling 911 calls from the elementary school shooting in nashville as funerals for the victims begin. also russia has arrested an american reporter and accused him of being a spy. how the white house says it is responding. that's next. s spot, does it? obediently. o oh, boy. wonderful pistachios get cracking. this is my coffee shop. and that's mend my custom shirt from custom inc this week, we moved into a new, bigger spa and brought on anotr employee to celebrate. i ordered new branded gear for the whole team. everything was so easy to make with custom design lab. i just chose my products, added our logo and placed my order. our new gear really helps us look and feel like a team. bring your own t
you'd have to ask michael cohen. of course, we've seen how that saga google look at his body language. he wasn't telling the truth. everybody knew that. thank you so much. thank sarah. we will continue obviously to follow this historic indictment of former president trump. but first newly released audio reveals some of the chilling 911 calls from the elementary school shooting in nashville as funerals for the victims begin. also russia has arrested an american reporter and accused him of being...
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from michael cohen. i want to add that his attorney, uh, lanny davis just issued a statement as well, saying that cohen made the brave decision to speak truth to power and accept the consequences. and he has done so ever since. i'm proud to be his lawyer and his friend, and so you know, this has been a long journey for michael cohen. he did go to jail. ah as an attorney. he's talking here about presumption of innocence. um, which you know, michael cohen does not like donald trump in any way, shape or form. so you know, i think he's trying to say look, you know he's got to go through what i went through. he's he's got a he's got to go to a trial. he's got to be convicted or not convicted and, you know, i think from michael cohen, um this is a certain amount of vindication. i would have to say, but again, we don't know what the indictment is. we don't know what it says. and of course, donald trump has been denying this affair was stormy daniels so we'll have to see what what his response is and how he make
from michael cohen. i want to add that his attorney, uh, lanny davis just issued a statement as well, saying that cohen made the brave decision to speak truth to power and accept the consequences. and he has done so ever since. i'm proud to be his lawyer and his friend, and so you know, this has been a long journey for michael cohen. he did go to jail. ah as an attorney. he's talking here about presumption of innocence. um, which you know, michael cohen does not like donald trump in any way,...
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so they refer to michael cohen. the fixer. and so -- >> which is just three days after his story is broken. >> so this timing, the fact that she had tried to sell it for all these years and couldn't, but only now three days after access hollywood, a month before the election, trump now is willing to buy this story. that's what prosecutors will argue makes it a campaign finance violation because that shows that it was related to his campaign and not just to protect his wife or something like that. >> but was her assumption that they were going to publish this story? she didn't know at the time, her and her agent, they were buying the story to kill it to not let it be published? >> stormy knew what she was doing. >> she knew they were buying it and wasn't going to become public. >> she basically wanted to make money off this, at least to get some benefit because she felt she had been cheated after he promised her to put her on "the apprentice" and never did. >> what's at the heart of this? cohen pays her the $130,000. he has a s
so they refer to michael cohen. the fixer. and so -- >> which is just three days after his story is broken. >> so this timing, the fact that she had tried to sell it for all these years and couldn't, but only now three days after access hollywood, a month before the election, trump now is willing to buy this story. that's what prosecutors will argue makes it a campaign finance violation because that shows that it was related to his campaign and not just to protect his wife or...
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and that is what michael cohen to jail. so that's my answer district about okay, but the southern district passed , right. i mean, they said that this was trivial, according to elie honig book and he broke it . they passed on taking that alvin bragg is gonna now prosecute. elie honig is inaccurate. he's making that up. there was no quote. then why didn't the then why didn't the feds why i have to ask this? why didn't the feds prosecute for these same facts? trump because he was an incumbent president. let me repeat that. how about when he got out? how about when he got out? prosecutors never once suggested that they didn't have a case against mr trump. in fact, they declared they had the same case against trump they did against cohen. they said that trump instructed cohen to pay hush money, but they couldn't prosecute that he was incumbent president. in fact, they called him and he he's not. he's not the president. now he's not the president. now. surely they took a look at him when he got out of office. so you're absolutel
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he said you have to ask michael cohen. rudy giuliani went on fox news and said trump reimbursed michael cohen for this payment. trump does not part ways with money. i think that is such an important part here. >> but didn't the attorney -- the attorney, the whoun is representing him at least speaking for him on television, people don't like to be called that on tv attorneys, i thought it was a compliment. apparently someone took issue with saying that. but didn't he admit sort of that donald trump knew about it and that in this interview on another network and in a sense lied about it because he didn't want to break the agreement? >> yeah. kaitlan is right. that's a good piece of evidence for the prosecution. the fact that on air force one he denied he knew about it. we know he knew about it. the response from the lawyer is he felt like he was bound by this nondisclosure agreement. the better answer there is he denied making this payment for the same reason he made the payment in the first place. he was trying to avoid per
he said you have to ask michael cohen. rudy giuliani went on fox news and said trump reimbursed michael cohen for this payment. trump does not part ways with money. i think that is such an important part here. >> but didn't the attorney -- the attorney, the whoun is representing him at least speaking for him on television, people don't like to be called that on tv attorneys, i thought it was a compliment. apparently someone took issue with saying that. but didn't he admit sort of that...
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i think it's clear he needs michael cohen and he's going to rely on michael cohen. and as i said, john, that's a risky proposition. regardless of whether one may think michael cohen has turned himself around and i believe he has we heard earlier a clip of his lawyer saying this was entirely a personal payment and had nothing to do with contribution. you know who else who said that, michael cohen to the ftc. he'll have to explain why hut he said back then was a lie and why he should be believed. difficult jury to put in front of a witness of 12 average citizens. >> how likely is an indictment here? >> it seems very likely given the stage ware at, given michael cohen seems tuesday be one of the final witnesses and the d.a. has given donald trump now essentially his last chance to go into the grand jury. so i do think it's quite likely bordering uncertain we'll see an indictment soon. but i'll stress this every time i talk about the possibility of an indictment of donald trump, an indictment and conviction are two very important things. >> and one book related question
i think it's clear he needs michael cohen and he's going to rely on michael cohen. and as i said, john, that's a risky proposition. regardless of whether one may think michael cohen has turned himself around and i believe he has we heard earlier a clip of his lawyer saying this was entirely a personal payment and had nothing to do with contribution. you know who else who said that, michael cohen to the ftc. he'll have to explain why hut he said back then was a lie and why he should be believed....
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last week, michael cohen was back before the grand jury. he's actually with prosecutors today in case they need him to come in. trump testified, no, you have kellyanne conway and hope hicks. there's no question they're at the end but how do you make that decision? >> well, it's in the prosecutor's interest to have costello come in, because if the matter were to go to trial, you want to hear from costello anyway. you don't want the first time you put him on the witness stand to be the first time. it's important that the prosecutors have sussed out what their case is and figure out what the holes may be in the case. with the issues with michael cohen, bless you for making that point, but it's a very important one. you can still get convictions in drug and homicide cases where you have ugly and dirty witnesses, but you have to know what you have in court. >> but, please asked during the campaign early on, trump said he never heard of this payment, he didn't know anything about it. obviously now, the new excuse is, the new response to this is,
last week, michael cohen was back before the grand jury. he's actually with prosecutors today in case they need him to come in. trump testified, no, you have kellyanne conway and hope hicks. there's no question they're at the end but how do you make that decision? >> well, it's in the prosecutor's interest to have costello come in, because if the matter were to go to trial, you want to hear from costello anyway. you don't want the first time you put him on the witness stand to be the...
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joe tacopina on television essentially saying michael cohen can say of what he wants but michael cohen is a known liar. >> look, alan bragg once said, and i hope he remembers these words, he can't see a world in which he would base a prosecution of donald trump on the word of a convicted perjurer and felon like michael cohen. he's still a convicted perjurer. he's someone who's convicted of lying. and it's not about vengeance. it's all about vengeance for him. >> he's right in the sense that if michael cohen's on the witness stand a good defense attorney could pick apart his credibility. the question is, and i guess this is to michael cohen's point, does the prosecutor have enough documentary evidence to get around a witness who has a credibility problem? >> this would not be the first trial ever to take place if it actually were to go to trial where an individual has been convicted. and so that would be something that the prosecutors have to overturn. i do think it sounds like there are documents in this case, but i do think that the case does hinge heavily on the testimony of michael
joe tacopina on television essentially saying michael cohen can say of what he wants but michael cohen is a known liar. >> look, alan bragg once said, and i hope he remembers these words, he can't see a world in which he would base a prosecution of donald trump on the word of a convicted perjurer and felon like michael cohen. he's still a convicted perjurer. he's someone who's convicted of lying. and it's not about vengeance. it's all about vengeance for him. >> he's right in the...
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michael cohen was in two days last week as we have been discussing. he's the star witness, the person that connects the dots. there is no decision that has been made yet by the d.a.'s office. a lot of that is anticipation or speculation of what might happen. trump ahead the comments overthe weekend. the d.a.'s office, alvin brag, the district attorney said an e-mail to his staff saying they will not tolerate attempts at intimidation, and they are in contact with local, state and federal officials to make sure security is in place, no one at the office should be intimidated or threatened. >> kara scannell, thank you for the reporting. >> lots of speculation about what could happen. we have new reporting on two investigations, starting with the hush money case we have been talking about. you have been talking to a source about what this is going to look like if trump is indicted. you said arrested on truth social saturday. the likelihood is he'll be indicted. what are you hearing what that's going to look like, how it's going to play out? >> this is a s
michael cohen was in two days last week as we have been discussing. he's the star witness, the person that connects the dots. there is no decision that has been made yet by the d.a.'s office. a lot of that is anticipation or speculation of what might happen. trump ahead the comments overthe weekend. the d.a.'s office, alvin brag, the district attorney said an e-mail to his staff saying they will not tolerate attempts at intimidation, and they are in contact with local, state and federal...
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michael cohen is far from solid evidence. this guy, by any prosecutor standard, i used to be deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york, i wouldn't have touched a guy like michael cohen, especially if he's a convicted purger. >> i have the truth, i have documentation. let me rephrase, the district attorney has documentation in order to validate every single statement that i've made. >> clearly both men making their arguments in the court of public opinion. but yesterday cohen was at court but he did not go before the grand jury. it was thought he might be called in to rebut costello's testimony. >> it's fascinating if you have been following these people so long. robert costello used to be a legal adviser to michael cohen. i think the question now is when this indictment is going to happen. i think this is still a question even trump's legal team has. >> exactly. we don't know if and when he will be indicted. now for any other defendant, the way this would work is a grand jury would vote to ind
michael cohen is far from solid evidence. this guy, by any prosecutor standard, i used to be deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york, i wouldn't have touched a guy like michael cohen, especially if he's a convicted purger. >> i have the truth, i have documentation. let me rephrase, the district attorney has documentation in order to validate every single statement that i've made. >> clearly both men making their arguments in the court of public...
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obviously michael cohen is another. it seems to be moving at a brisk pace, and more likely than not charges appear to be on the horizon. >> alyssa farah griffon is also with us. how is news of stormy daniels involvement likely being received by the former president and his legal team? >> this is basically the worst news that trump world could be getting right now. not to get into the crass politic of it, but i will, you know, ron desantis is gaining on trump right now. the latest cnn polling has him within the margin of error of donald trump. and the sense in the trump world for some time if you'd said a couple months ago if this case was one he was even focused on they would say no. how rapidly the d.a. decided to move forward and pick back up a case many in trump world thought was settled and not going to be pursued is coming to the forefront as something creating a lot of unease. i think there's a lot of exposure here. the paper trail has always been there and trump world is worried about it. >> what does it tell you
obviously michael cohen is another. it seems to be moving at a brisk pace, and more likely than not charges appear to be on the horizon. >> alyssa farah griffon is also with us. how is news of stormy daniels involvement likely being received by the former president and his legal team? >> this is basically the worst news that trump world could be getting right now. not to get into the crass politic of it, but i will, you know, ron desantis is gaining on trump right now. the latest...
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cohen, michael cohen's the star witness. people can decide the jury will decide if they believe him. trump's team going to is going to point out that michael cohen has been convicted of perjury and fraud. personal animosity. i mean, to say the least, michael cohen despises donald trump, and they're going to argue that he's made inconsistent prior statements. but michael come with the prosecutors are going to argue he's backed up by other evidence, and you can believe him or other people which brags team may need. okay ellie. thank you so helpful, don. all right, ellie poppy, new york city ramping up security this morning they have been for a while. but yesterday and even the weeks before they're preparing for possible protests in the wake of the former president's unprecedented indictment, the nypd coordinating with federal law enforcement and the secret service, to be ready for whatever might happen. seeing his brand jen grass live near the manhattan courthouse for us this morning. good morning, bren police, other security
cohen, michael cohen's the star witness. people can decide the jury will decide if they believe him. trump's team going to is going to point out that michael cohen has been convicted of perjury and fraud. personal animosity. i mean, to say the least, michael cohen despises donald trump, and they're going to argue that he's made inconsistent prior statements. but michael come with the prosecutors are going to argue he's backed up by other evidence, and you can believe him or other people which...
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cohen that on the same day that trump had said michael cohen won't flip publicly that because that costello sends him a note that says you have friends in high places. sleep well tonight, michael and it's in the obstruction section. the mueller report. i could even imagine that brag, introduced that for the grand jury to consider as well and that's what we're going to. we're going to find out. i mean, i suppose eventually, but what? i'm curious about fairness, you've got 23 new yorkers going in, right? they get caught. they don't get called in one day. they're called in today. so then today they're called in the afternoon. everyone anticipates a lot of reporting is going to be about trump. maybe it happens today. then we find out this grand jury is called in and it's not about trump at all. what does that say to you? that just means that this was a case. this was a grand jury that was called for multiple cases, which is very common in these long term investigatory grand juries. they're normally for one or two or three cases, so it's just business as usual, but we don't usually see it becaus
cohen that on the same day that trump had said michael cohen won't flip publicly that because that costello sends him a note that says you have friends in high places. sleep well tonight, michael and it's in the obstruction section. the mueller report. i could even imagine that brag, introduced that for the grand jury to consider as well and that's what we're going to. we're going to find out. i mean, i suppose eventually, but what? i'm curious about fairness, you've got 23 new yorkers going...
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. >> why did michael cohen make that payment? >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael's my -- an attorney. you have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know, no. >> one of most significant questions of his presidency that he answered there, michael cohen said he has the receipts, personal checks that were signed by trump. our senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid is following this closely. what we're learning is the manhattan d.a. wants to hear from trump. it seems maybe unlikely he would do so, that an attorney would advise a client to go in. what could happen? >> seems highly unlikely he'll join the parade of high profile witnesses we've seen over the past few weeks testify ing befoe this grand jury who is hearing evidence about whether they falsified business records when paying cohen back for that hush money. now the fact that this invitation to possibly appear before the grand jury is coming now, certainly signal that's it's likely. their investigation could be wrapping up and an indictment c
. >> why did michael cohen make that payment? >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael's my -- an attorney. you have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know, no. >> one of most significant questions of his presidency that he answered there, michael cohen said he has the receipts, personal checks that were signed by trump. our senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid is following this closely. what...
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laura is attack michael cohen's credibility so you want to attack michael cohen's credibility. you want to defend michael cullen play i'm going to. i'm going to attack his credibility for a second year. okay because again, you think about it. if you are a classic, you know, defense attorney you're going to say, really the guy who has an obvious perhaps ax to grind against my client. he has been steadfast in his criticism. he essentially has had this air of why is it just me who was actually the person who was having this happen to and so in that respect, you're going to lead with that. it's better. this has happened before the idea of attacking someone's credibility. it is really key to any defense cooperating. witness the prosecution is going to argue. yes he has this history of lying. yes he was convicted of perjury. but he did that all when he was with donald trump, and since then they'll argue he's come clean, and they'll argue he's corroborated by documents, including the checks , which we've seen, which show the reimbursement payment to michael cohen signed by donald trum
laura is attack michael cohen's credibility so you want to attack michael cohen's credibility. you want to defend michael cullen play i'm going to. i'm going to attack his credibility for a second year. okay because again, you think about it. if you are a classic, you know, defense attorney you're going to say, really the guy who has an obvious perhaps ax to grind against my client. he has been steadfast in his criticism. he essentially has had this air of why is it just me who was actually the...
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and let me just mention about michael cohen, michael cohen in front of the country and the world on television said i'm ashamed of what i did. now i'm going to tell truth to power from my family and for my country. so whatever donald trump thinks about attacking michael's credibility, michael didn't take the fifth amendment. as mr trump did, he went into a grand jury cooperated with congressional committees. but most importantly , erin in my philosophy when somebody owns wrongdoing and says, i apologize. as elijah cummings, who ran that hearing said to me, i believe in redemption. michael collins credibility surrounded by documents. this case is about documents, not just michael. i think his testimony will be credible. alright well, lenny, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. a lanny davis with me. and of course, now elie honig joins me. our senior legal analyst, former assistant u. s attorney for the southern district of new york. what do you make of the way he sees it. very interesting interview. so first of all, mr davis is correct when he says that the motives here can be mixed. it
and let me just mention about michael cohen, michael cohen in front of the country and the world on television said i'm ashamed of what i did. now i'm going to tell truth to power from my family and for my country. so whatever donald trump thinks about attacking michael's credibility, michael didn't take the fifth amendment. as mr trump did, he went into a grand jury cooperated with congressional committees. but most importantly , erin in my philosophy when somebody owns wrongdoing and says, i...
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i mean, castello was casting doubt on michael cohen's testimony, michael cohen had said this was hush money payment was paid. in order to not have some bad news come out that could damage trump in the election. costello's saying, well, michael cohen told me it was, you know michael cohen's idea, and it was to avoid melanie trump being upset. so this testimony, i think was very important to shore up the credibility of michael cohen's testimony that the payments were related to the campaign. that's the most significant testimony and that david pecker has to offer and am i, where he worked entered into a nonprosecution agreement with the federal government several years ago when they were initially investigating michael cohen for these payments, and in that nonprosecution agreement, and i agreed that these were campaign related expenditures. so as part of that agreement is that does he have to show up to testify. he has to be cooperative, and so it it. presumably the federal government is asking him to be cooperative with other prosecutors as well. i mean, does indictment. i mean, over t
i mean, castello was casting doubt on michael cohen's testimony, michael cohen had said this was hush money payment was paid. in order to not have some bad news come out that could damage trump in the election. costello's saying, well, michael cohen told me it was, you know michael cohen's idea, and it was to avoid melanie trump being upset. so this testimony, i think was very important to shore up the credibility of michael cohen's testimony that the payments were related to the campaign....
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a guy like michael cohen. especially if he's a convicted purger. >> two questions. number one, do you agree with those who believe this is your check the box? let somebody who wants to headache the case attack michael cohen. and to his point about the credibility, can you build this case with michael cohen as your witness. what else do you need? >> first of all, yes, under new york law, i think they were smart. i think they needed to give the defense witness an opportunity to speak to the grand jury. i will say i think that's a bad strategy on trump's end. i really think they should have saved their witness for trial. putting a witness before the grand jury just gives the prosecutors time to find out what he's going to say, gives them to question him under oath, reveal some of the cards early. i would have held on to that witness. but in terms of michael cohen, he's a problematic witness, convicted of lying to congress, convicted fraudster. also somebody who made money off of selling books and podcasts and so
a guy like michael cohen. especially if he's a convicted purger. >> two questions. number one, do you agree with those who believe this is your check the box? let somebody who wants to headache the case attack michael cohen. and to his point about the credibility, can you build this case with michael cohen as your witness. what else do you need? >> first of all, yes, under new york law, i think they were smart. i think they needed to give the defense witness an opportunity to speak...
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and now here you are hearing michael cohen might be brought in again today. tomorrow i'm sorry as to kind of seal the deal. it appears it's unclear what would be going on here. what do you think is happening? i think they're having a little mini trial in the grand jury. grand juries are usually what they call bare bones presentations. you put the small amount of evidence in because the proof is much smaller. it's you just have to have probable cause that a crime occurred, but this is a much more fulsome presentation. you've had witnesses testified for long periods of time. and you had mr costello come in for almost three hours, so i think it's important to have to bring michael cohen back into for any questions the grand jury might have. and to rebut what was said by mr costello. okay so interesting stories in many trial, ryan. i guess the question i would have, then is, you know, everyone has said look, michael cohen is a convicted liar. so if you believe what he says or not, you would need other corroborating evidence. but then i'm thinking, gosh, they're s
and now here you are hearing michael cohen might be brought in again today. tomorrow i'm sorry as to kind of seal the deal. it appears it's unclear what would be going on here. what do you think is happening? i think they're having a little mini trial in the grand jury. grand juries are usually what they call bare bones presentations. you put the small amount of evidence in because the proof is much smaller. it's you just have to have probable cause that a crime occurred, but this is a much...
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s office while key witnesses, michael cohen, witness michael cohen testified before the grand jury for the second time this week. so joining us now for his first tv, on tv or in-person interview since those testimonies donald trump's former attorney michael cohen, author of the book revenge how donald trump weaponized the u.s. department of justice against his christa, the host of the mea culpa podcast and breakdown podcast. thank you for waking up early. your other interviews have been on the phone? >> no, my other interviews with the district -- >> i mean for television. >> yes. >> so so thank you. 21 or 22 times? >> i met with the d.a.'s 20 times for interviews and two times for grand jury. >> why are you cooperating with the grand jury? >> that was the pledge i made when i stood before the judge and said i will cooperate. i didn't need a 5k 1 agreement, i wasn't a part of a cooperation agreement. democracy is more important than anything and i know it sounds hokie, but my goal is to ensure that truth comes out and that truth to power is told. >> in as far as on the list of witnesse
s office while key witnesses, michael cohen, witness michael cohen testified before the grand jury for the second time this week. so joining us now for his first tv, on tv or in-person interview since those testimonies donald trump's former attorney michael cohen, author of the book revenge how donald trump weaponized the u.s. department of justice against his christa, the host of the mea culpa podcast and breakdown podcast. thank you for waking up early. your other interviews have been on the...
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no. >> why did michael cohen pay this if it wasn't -- >> you would have to ask michael cohen. michael is an attorney, and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know, no. >> so to get to the point where they would indict a former president over a $130,000 push money payment, what evidence do you think they have at this point to say at this point we're going to do it? >> that's one of the big questions i think a lot of us have. this is something that you know, erin, the federal prosecutors looked at, one of the issues that they came -- that they had trouble with was the idea that who are you going to use as your main witness here. and it's going to be michael cohen's word versus trump's word. we do know obviously according to cohen that the hush money payments were reimburse to him, and so there is a trail of money. there is money that prosecutors will be able to show. and perhaps you can get witnesses who can say, well, trump never pace anything unless he knows what it's for, right. he's known to be very tight-f
no. >> why did michael cohen pay this if it wasn't -- >> you would have to ask michael cohen. michael is an attorney, and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know, no. >> so to get to the point where they would indict a former president over a $130,000 push money payment, what evidence do you think they have at this point to say at this point we're going to do it? >> that's one of the big...
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michael cohen spent some time in jail for this exact thing. so you know my thoughts tonight are it's a somber moment. i think we should. there should be nobody in this country that is celebrating an indictment of former president we've been a country that hasn't had that yet . it's embarrassing that we do have a president has that. but let's wait and see what the indictment actually looks like before we start jumping to conclusions about this being political. i mean, obviously, that's great advice. but could it be more than the stormy daniels hush money payments? in other words, what do you expect to be in there? well, i think what's going to be interesting and i don't know, because you know, it's not a case i have investigated but what is the link to the business? what did the president know? what did he know about covering up the payment because, by the way, number a number of members of congress have been indicted for campaign finance issues like it's not like this is nothing. so you know. yeah. sometimes you have a campaign finance violati
michael cohen spent some time in jail for this exact thing. so you know my thoughts tonight are it's a somber moment. i think we should. there should be nobody in this country that is celebrating an indictment of former president we've been a country that hasn't had that yet . it's embarrassing that we do have a president has that. but let's wait and see what the indictment actually looks like before we start jumping to conclusions about this being political. i mean, obviously, that's great...
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so i don't know if he's the most reliable. >> michael. cohen >> yes michael cohen. and i think you have to get into it and intent type of thing, did he do it because he was concerned about the election or did he just not want this to come out? did he not want his wife to know that he cheated on her or something like that? it feels like it's hard to prove and it's not very high stakes. >> i don't want to be dismissive to your point norm. a violation of the law ought to be treated as anyone else who may violated that same law. we know that's not how our system works. people turn a blind eye more readily for some other than others. but the idea priorities and how this plays out in the court of public opinion. do you think that this case could be used if they do indict for trump to buttress his own arguments? saying see, they won't try anything. >> liberal democratic lydia coming after me. of course that's what he'll say. yes, trump will say that. here's -- what to the other republicans say? they have to defend trump. desantis will say this is political prosecution. hal
so i don't know if he's the most reliable. >> michael. cohen >> yes michael cohen. and i think you have to get into it and intent type of thing, did he do it because he was concerned about the election or did he just not want this to come out? did he not want his wife to know that he cheated on her or something like that? it feels like it's hard to prove and it's not very high stakes. >> i don't want to be dismissive to your point norm. a violation of the law ought to be...
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michael cohen spent some time in jail for this exact thing. so you know my thoughts tonight are it's a somber moment. i think we should. there should be nobody in this country that is celebrating and indictment of former president. we've been a country that hasn't had that yet . it's embarrassing that we do have a president has that. but let's wait and see what the indictment actually looks like before we start jumping to conclusions about this being political. i mean, obviously, that's great advice. but could it be more than the stormy daniels hush money payments mean? in other words, what do you expect to be in there? well, i think what's going to be interesting and i don't know, because you know, it's not a case i have investigated but what is the link to the business? what did the president know? what did he know about covering up the payment because, by the way, number a number of members of congress have been indicted for campaign finance issues like it's not like this is nothing. so you know. yeah. sometimes you have a campaign finance
michael cohen spent some time in jail for this exact thing. so you know my thoughts tonight are it's a somber moment. i think we should. there should be nobody in this country that is celebrating and indictment of former president. we've been a country that hasn't had that yet . it's embarrassing that we do have a president has that. but let's wait and see what the indictment actually looks like before we start jumping to conclusions about this being political. i mean, obviously, that's great...
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so what prosecutors are looking at there are falsified invoices that they say michael cohen or that michael cohen himself, says he submitted and then how it was recorded in the books. remember, cohen pleaded guilty in the federal case, and federal prosecutors in their charging documents said that this was recorded incorrectly as a legal expense because it was really this reimbursement, so that's a misdemeanor in new york. now for them to make it a felony. they'd have to show that this was done to concealer commit another crime. and the common thinking here is that would be campaign finance related really important point. paying hush money is not a crime. knowing about hush money payment is not a crime. the crux of the crime here is the falsification of the documents falsely logging them on the internal books of the trump organization as attorneys fees and so through all the noise, the key thing prosecutors have to show is that donald trump knew about that, or order it or blessed it so all the other facts here are important and relevant. but the heart of the matter is that donald trump know
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now lanny davis, attorney from michael cohen is back with me. and obviously lanny and i spoke last night on the news of the indictment. so you just heard jim trustee. he's very confident he thinks they're going to be able to get this case dismissed. based on your exposure to this grand jury, your client's exposure, obviously, and the evidence in this case that you are aware of beyond your client, michael cohen, do you think that there is a chance of motion to dismiss could be successful very small because there's so much factual dispute on the material issues doesn't deprive a jury of making a decision. a motion to dismiss is a decision to deprive a trial by jury. and that's a very high standard. as a lawyer. it's very rare that a judge will deny a jury the right to decide factual disputes. i do want to correct the record. it's very important that i do. so you seem to respect this gentleman. i don't know him. who is the defense attorney for mr trump, but he got a basic fact wrong and he probably knows better and just didn't just misspoke. nobody
now lanny davis, attorney from michael cohen is back with me. and obviously lanny and i spoke last night on the news of the indictment. so you just heard jim trustee. he's very confident he thinks they're going to be able to get this case dismissed. based on your exposure to this grand jury, your client's exposure, obviously, and the evidence in this case that you are aware of beyond your client, michael cohen, do you think that there is a chance of motion to dismiss could be successful very...
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between michael cohen and robert costello. look, michael cohen is a first amendment right. he's absolutely key player in this, but it could also be a key witness in the prosecution of the former president. doing this great. get by the way, great interview for him. i have a feeling he's gonna get a call for prosecutors today. this is what his attorney says lenny davis. says that you may think of him as a key witness. but there are three or four people who will back up what he says. so therefore, as you said, it's his first amendment right to be able to talk about this so he doesn't see it as a big deal or detrimental to the case that michael cohen is out doing interviews is naive. preposterous it's ridiculous. i can imagine that you just said the district attorney's office must be livid. you don't start singing and showing your anger and being glib helps build your credibility and keep a consistent story because the more you talk and the more you say, the more there is chance that you're going to say something that's going to come back and bite that case, and that's not what
between michael cohen and robert costello. look, michael cohen is a first amendment right. he's absolutely key player in this, but it could also be a key witness in the prosecution of the former president. doing this great. get by the way, great interview for him. i have a feeling he's gonna get a call for prosecutors today. this is what his attorney says lenny davis. says that you may think of him as a key witness. but there are three or four people who will back up what he says. so therefore,...
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former lawyer michael cohen who went to prison over that alleged hush money say yes. and trump knew about it. others said no way. >> that money wasn't campaign money. sorry. >> reporter: he leveled an insult at daniels as he insisted i did nothing wrng in the horse-face case. never had an affair with her. witch hunt. this story has been unwinding for years. and it is now full of many twists and turns. but it may finally now be time for a court to sort it all out. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >>> joey jackson is a cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney. he joins me now from new york. always good to have you with us. >> nice to be here. >> so, robert costello, a trump ally and michael cohen's former legal adviser, testified monday before a grand jury, investigating donald trump's alleged role in a hush money scheme. essentially saying that cohen is a liar and he's out for revenge. but cohen wasn't asked to get a rebuttal on that. what impact will costello's testimony likely have at undercutting cohen's creditability and the probe as a whole? >> it's important
former lawyer michael cohen who went to prison over that alleged hush money say yes. and trump knew about it. others said no way. >> that money wasn't campaign money. sorry. >> reporter: he leveled an insult at daniels as he insisted i did nothing wrng in the horse-face case. never had an affair with her. witch hunt. this story has been unwinding for years. and it is now full of many twists and turns. but it may finally now be time for a court to sort it all out. tom foreman, cnn,...
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we know they didn't call michael cohen today as a rebuttal witness. i'm not an attorney here. we have attorneys on the panel. they can tell you what that means, to me, if they felt they needed a rebuttal, they might have had one. i think one of the issues here that costello is going to talk about or talked about is that michael cohen is doing this out of pure revenge, that his goal in life is to get donald trump, don't forget michael cohen went to jail, and he says as a result of his relationship and direction from donald trump, and, you know, costello's point is he blamed trump for all of this and wants to get back at him. i don't know what's in those documents, and what's in those e-mails. we'll have to see. and we'll have to see if it materially affected this in any way, shape or form. >> let me get adam kinzinger into this assessment as well. donald trump's legal team believes costello will undercut cohen's testimony. cohen does have some credibility issues. could this work in trump's favor? >> it's possible. i do think one of the most powerful pieces of evidence that this
we know they didn't call michael cohen today as a rebuttal witness. i'm not an attorney here. we have attorneys on the panel. they can tell you what that means, to me, if they felt they needed a rebuttal, they might have had one. i think one of the issues here that costello is going to talk about or talked about is that michael cohen is doing this out of pure revenge, that his goal in life is to get donald trump, don't forget michael cohen went to jail, and he says as a result of his...
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but michael cohen is far from solid evidence. i wouldn't have touched a guy like michael cohen, especially if he's a convicted perjurier. >> i have the proof, the documentation, the da has documentation to validate every single statement i've made. >> reporter: now, cohen was on standby yesterday to potentially go as a rebuttal witness and testify before the grand jury. he never was called to go in. and he said yesterday he did not think he would be called back. as we're waiting for a decision on whether to charge the former president by the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg. there certainly is some crowds forming around here as people wait in anticipation to see what is going to happen. boris, jessica? >> on that note, let's talk for a second about security. we've seen various precautions they're taking, but walk us through those and explain what's being done in case donald trump is, in fact, indicted. >> reporter: right now the nypd has a lot more uniform officers on the street. we've seen a big uptick in presence here o
but michael cohen is far from solid evidence. i wouldn't have touched a guy like michael cohen, especially if he's a convicted perjurier. >> i have the proof, the documentation, the da has documentation to validate every single statement i've made. >> reporter: now, cohen was on standby yesterday to potentially go as a rebuttal witness and testify before the grand jury. he never was called to go in. and he said yesterday he did not think he would be called back. as we're waiting for...
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>> why did michael cohen make that? >> you have to ask michael cohen, michael's my attorney. you have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where you got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know. >> that turned out to not be true, maggie, it's interesting, the same office was looking at other potential charges against the former president. the district attorney chose not to pursue those. travis prosecutors resigned in the wake of, that this is now what they have. >> look, when i think michael cohen would say, as a witness and has said before, he lied on trump's behalf. i think you hear him say that in this case. you did have alvin bragg decide not to bring a prosecution against trump in connection with his actual business, despite proceeding against his business, they got a conviction across the board, in 17 counts in that case. it's different when you're prosecuting a company that is prosecuting a man. i do think it's worth noting here, putting aside issues of michael cohen specifically, or are the perspective thinness of the case. take it all together, it requires 12
>> why did michael cohen make that? >> you have to ask michael cohen, michael's my attorney. you have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where you got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know. >> that turned out to not be true, maggie, it's interesting, the same office was looking at other potential charges against the former president. the district attorney chose not to pursue those. travis prosecutors resigned in the wake of, that this is now what they...
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we all know michael cohen, we've heard from michael cohen a lot. he was on this program last week. he does not pull his punches when it comes to his old boss. >> he does not. michael cohen looks like he's going to be a pivotal witness in this case. on the one hand. michael cohen clearly had insider access, he was in the middle of this transaction. he pled guilty to it, and many of the things that michael cohen has said since he did his prison time about donald trump have been proven out to be true. on the other hand, the reality is like it or not, michael cohen is going to be vulnerable to a searing cross-examination. he has been convicted of perjury. he has been convicted of tax fraud and financial fraud. he denies that he did it, but he pled guilty to those crimes. mic michael cone has a white-hot hatred for donald trump. on cross-examination they're going to argue this guy despises druch, he'd do anything to -- donald trump, he'd do anything to get him. michael cohen is going to be a key witness here. i understand why one may want to rest the case on him, i get where prosecutors
we all know michael cohen, we've heard from michael cohen a lot. he was on this program last week. he does not pull his punches when it comes to his old boss. >> he does not. michael cohen looks like he's going to be a pivotal witness in this case. on the one hand. michael cohen clearly had insider access, he was in the middle of this transaction. he pled guilty to it, and many of the things that michael cohen has said since he did his prison time about donald trump have been proven out...
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i can't get enough of michael cohen's accent. you know the murderer of but but, you know, i do think, though he's getting something wrong about donald trump, and i had a few interactions with him. not as many as lee has had but what struck me when i interacted with donald trump is that he is a true believer in the conspiracy theories and the extremist views that guide his governing philosophy and his policy beliefs. and i do truly believe at this point that he believes that we as a country or at civil war between red and blue, and that he is under attack. by the left, and in a sense, i think that he is becoming increasingly motivated by that not fearful, and that's what i find so frightening right now, because there is this potential that january 6th was a prelude. we have to constantly think back to and i appreciate it the very beginning of this segment that congressman zeldin called again for peaceful expressions of protest if those moments of protests come about, because donald trump certainly will not call for that, congressm
i can't get enough of michael cohen's accent. you know the murderer of but but, you know, i do think, though he's getting something wrong about donald trump, and i had a few interactions with him. not as many as lee has had but what struck me when i interacted with donald trump is that he is a true believer in the conspiracy theories and the extremist views that guide his governing philosophy and his policy beliefs. and i do truly believe at this point that he believes that we as a country or...
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you heard michael cohen coming out today moments ago. what's your response to him? >> i mean, look, allen bragg once said and i hope he remembers these words, he can't see a world in which he would base a prosecution of donald trump on the word of a convicted perjurer and felon like michael cohen. he's still a convicted perjurer and he's someone who is convicted of lying and it's not about vengeance. it's all about vengeance for him and putting that aside, erin. here's the question. does anyone actually believe, anyone, left, right, middle, whatever that if someone else were accused of paying hush money to avoid a public sex scandal in the manner that donald trump is allegeded to have avoided a public sex scandal they would be prosecute, the answer is 100% no. and we cannot as a society, pro-trump, anti-trump, left, right, want the weaponization of the justice system or a prosecutor's office to pursue political opponents with -- with rule of law. it's just not right and that's exactly what's happening here. >> i want to ask you about that, but first on the point you
you heard michael cohen coming out today moments ago. what's your response to him? >> i mean, look, allen bragg once said and i hope he remembers these words, he can't see a world in which he would base a prosecution of donald trump on the word of a convicted perjurer and felon like michael cohen. he's still a convicted perjurer and he's someone who is convicted of lying and it's not about vengeance. it's all about vengeance for him and putting that aside, erin. here's the question. does...
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but michael cohen is far from solid evidence. this guy, by any prosecutor standard, and i used to be deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york, i wouldn't have touched a guy like michael cohen, especially if he's a convicted perjur. >> he served time for that. he admitted to paying $130,000 to stormy daniels just before the 2016 election to stop her from going public about an alleged affair with trump. now, the payment itself is not illegal. what matters here is whether it was improperly classified or not. and trump's hope is that costello could turn around an impending indictment and get alvin bragg, the manhattan district attorney, who's remain tight-lipped about the details of this investigation, to back off. so did costello deliver for trump? well, tonight the entire nation is on edge and waiting as trump stands by claims that he's hours away now from being arrested, and he is now calling on his supporters to protest in new york police setting up security cameras and barricades in washington o
but michael cohen is far from solid evidence. this guy, by any prosecutor standard, and i used to be deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york, i wouldn't have touched a guy like michael cohen, especially if he's a convicted perjur. >> he served time for that. he admitted to paying $130,000 to stormy daniels just before the 2016 election to stop her from going public about an alleged affair with trump. now, the payment itself is not illegal. what matters...
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>> no, no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> well, you have to ask michael cohen. michael's my attorney and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know when where he got to the money to make that payment? >> i don't know, no. >> that turned out not to be true. maggie, it's interesting because this same office was looking at other potential charges against the former president. they -- the district attorney chose not to pursue those, two of his prosecutors resigned in the wake of that, and this is now what they have. >> look, and what i think michael cohen would say as a witness and has said before is he lied on trump's behalf. and i think you would hear him say that in this case. you did have allen bragg decide not to bring prosecution against trump despite preceding in his business and they got conviction across the board in 17 counts in that case. it's different when you're prosecuting a faceless company than it is prosecuting a man. i do think it's worth noting here putting aside issues of michael cohen specifically or the perspective thinness of the case.
>> no, no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> well, you have to ask michael cohen. michael's my attorney and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know when where he got to the money to make that payment? >> i don't know, no. >> that turned out not to be true. maggie, it's interesting because this same office was looking at other potential charges against the former president. they -- the district attorney chose not to pursue those, two of his...
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we know michael cohen and alan weisberg. we're handling the books, but the trick for prosecutors is going to be tying donald trump directly to that, and to that end, it appears michael cohen will be the prosecutor. ocean star witness here. michael cohen , on the one hand had access. he was right in the middle of all this. on the other hand, he is going to be eminently impeachable. his credibility will be very much in question. he's been convicted of perjury of other frauds. he has been rejected as a cooperating witness by the u. s department of justice. he tried to cooperate, they said. we don't believe him. now. it may well be, it seems clear. the da has reached a contrary conclusion on michael cohen. but if and when this case gets to trial, and we're far away off, michael cohen is going to be a key witness. nothing is assured. nothing is a slam dunk and let me read the statement from michael cohen, trump's former fixer and lawyer that he just released for the first time in our country's history, a president current or form
we know michael cohen and alan weisberg. we're handling the books, but the trick for prosecutors is going to be tying donald trump directly to that, and to that end, it appears michael cohen will be the prosecutor. ocean star witness here. michael cohen , on the one hand had access. he was right in the middle of all this. on the other hand, he is going to be eminently impeachable. his credibility will be very much in question. he's been convicted of perjury of other frauds. he has been rejected...
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and ryan, so michael cohen was not asked to testify. he was there to be prepared for a rebuttal, costello testified, and then they said they did not need michael cohen, which we'll see if that's significant, but then cohen obviously went out and gave a television interview, and here's what he said. >> typical donald j. trump play out of the playbook, figure out how you're going to muddy the water as best as you possibly can, denigrate the person, disparage them, they did the same thing to cassidy hutchinson, they did the same thing to anyone and everyone that is for the truth. >> so he goes on to say the beauty is that i have facts. okay? now, obviously you heard what john sails said about costello about his reputation, but what does this come down to then for a grand jury? >> so i think in part it might come down to cohen testifying but then what is there to corroborate what he has to say. prosecutors often have to include accomplices to the crime or some bad actors, especially when they're prosecuting, for example, organized crime, so
and ryan, so michael cohen was not asked to testify. he was there to be prepared for a rebuttal, costello testified, and then they said they did not need michael cohen, which we'll see if that's significant, but then cohen obviously went out and gave a television interview, and here's what he said. >> typical donald j. trump play out of the playbook, figure out how you're going to muddy the water as best as you possibly can, denigrate the person, disparage them, they did the same thing to...
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no. >> why did michael cohen pay this? >> well, you'll have to ask michael cohen. michael's my -- an attorney and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know. >> all right. clearly not a crime to lie or give false statements to reporters, but how might those comments potentially impact any possible prosecution? >> so, paula, you can bet prosecutors are going to use that video. it will be admissible evidence because the argument will be, he's lying here. why is he lying, you would argue as a prosecutor? he's lying because he knows he's done wrong and he's trying to cover up. the response from the trump team, people can decide what's more persuasive, the reason why he's lying, was to try to avoid and his family. if that's the reason, then it would not count as a campaign donation. that's the back and forth you should expect to see in court if and when this ever gets there. >> thank you so much. >> thanks, paula. talk to you soon. >>> more to come tonight in the "cnn newsroom" including limited travel o
no. >> why did michael cohen pay this? >> well, you'll have to ask michael cohen. michael's my -- an attorney and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know. >> all right. clearly not a crime to lie or give false statements to reporters, but how might those comments potentially impact any possible prosecution? >> so, paula, you can bet prosecutors are going to use that video. it will be...
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cohen as a witness, i've gotten to know michael cohen. i respect the turnaround that he's made in his life, but we need to be clear about what's going to happen when he takes the stand. there is no avoiding the fact that michael cohen has been convicted of perjury has been convicted of financial fraud and tax fraud, having nothing to do with donald trump, by the way on his own. he did that there's no questioning the fact that michael cohen despises donald trump. michael cohen will not be a straight down the middle, impartial witness. he will be painted rightly as very biased against donald trump. also michael cohen has said publicly to the media and to the federal government that there was nothing illegal about these hush money payments that they were not designed to interfere with the election. this was when he was working for trump. he is now going to have to take that back and say it was a lie, and finally, wolf. let's remember the united states department of justice after michael cohen's so called turnaround rejected him as a cooperat
cohen as a witness, i've gotten to know michael cohen. i respect the turnaround that he's made in his life, but we need to be clear about what's going to happen when he takes the stand. there is no avoiding the fact that michael cohen has been convicted of perjury has been convicted of financial fraud and tax fraud, having nothing to do with donald trump, by the way on his own. he did that there's no questioning the fact that michael cohen despises donald trump. michael cohen will not be a...
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he happens to be a former legal adviser to michael cohen. who admitted to paying out the 130,000 dollar to stormy daniels. now castella and cola both fear today about having criminal courthouse, where a grand juries investigating that scheme. only costello testify today though. he appeared at the request of trump's team to counter cohen's testimony. he was there for nearly three hours, cohen was available for a battle but ended up not being needed according to his lawyer. the question of course did costello say anything today that would prevent trump from being charged in this game. he says he told gradually that cohen wants told him specifically that trump flat out did not know about the payment. >> that's what he said at the time, is it true, i don't know. >> did he tell the grand jury? that >> yes, i did. but i needed to force that into an answer. >> now, cohen blasted costello for making, quote false statements about, him during his testimony. >> bob costello, if he was anymore imaginary in the statements that are coming out of his, mult
he happens to be a former legal adviser to michael cohen. who admitted to paying out the 130,000 dollar to stormy daniels. now castella and cola both fear today about having criminal courthouse, where a grand juries investigating that scheme. only costello testify today though. he appeared at the request of trump's team to counter cohen's testimony. he was there for nearly three hours, cohen was available for a battle but ended up not being needed according to his lawyer. the question of course...
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>> michael cohen is the lynch p linchpin in this case here. there's a little bit of truth that they didn't like michael cohen as a key witness. but also in his book, he said that the reason why the fed dropped the investigation into donald trump was because bill barr told them to do so. also remember, the department of justice has an internal policy against indicting a sitting president. why didn't the sdny prosecute trump for this after bill barr left? and i think the answer is by that time, you had january 6th and so there are a lot of bigger fish to fry involving donald trump than this matter. so i don't think costello's explanation really holds water. and i don't think he made a very good witness in front of the grand jury which is is why the prosecutors didn't call michael cohen back as a rebuttal witness. >> elliot, i wanted to ask you about that. they didn't call back imagine cohen after hearing that testimony from costello. what do you read into that and also what do you think -- how do you think the next several days will play out? >>
>> michael cohen is the lynch p linchpin in this case here. there's a little bit of truth that they didn't like michael cohen as a key witness. but also in his book, he said that the reason why the fed dropped the investigation into donald trump was because bill barr told them to do so. also remember, the department of justice has an internal policy against indicting a sitting president. why didn't the sdny prosecute trump for this after bill barr left? and i think the answer is by that...
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michael cohen's former legal adviser, bob castello, also testified. that was a week ago team trump's , perhaps they could have someone come in. they did. and then we heard nothing for a week. and now suddenly, david pecker appears today. so what do you make of all this? and the timing here? i think we're at the very end. and if the grand jury didn't vote today, and we wouldn't know because it's a secret proceeding, they're probably going to vote wednesday or thursday of this week. so you think that we really are at the end because i know it's been sort of waiting and waiting, becker testified. i think it was in january and that was a long time ago. in grand jury time and i think to come back and have him rebut what what was said by costello. i think that also takes out any doubt whether or not alvin bragg is thinking about not asking the grand jury to vote. i know there was that question of his he reconsidering the fact that he directly wanted to rebut what costello said shows he's i think he's going forward with a vote. okay which is significant, so
michael cohen's former legal adviser, bob castello, also testified. that was a week ago team trump's , perhaps they could have someone come in. they did. and then we heard nothing for a week. and now suddenly, david pecker appears today. so what do you make of all this? and the timing here? i think we're at the very end. and if the grand jury didn't vote today, and we wouldn't know because it's a secret proceeding, they're probably going to vote wednesday or thursday of this week. so you think...