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will be that of karen mcdougal. >> well, that's impressive. i'm so glad you said paulo, because you're tightening his grip because the prosecutor just ask david, quote, do you know somebody named karen mcdougal obviously that is going to be the second story here. and this one is going ally fcinating. because they just laid out the mechanics of how these agreements worked and how for the first time they bought a story. we do now know karen mcdougal, who store. they also bought and you're saying yes, i do. as they are now getting into this story this is incredibly significant fill in this moment just given karen mcdougal story, was bad, david was worried when they bought that story, that they were violating campaign finance rules? >> yes. actually did research to make sure that they weren't are trying to make sure that they were on the right right side of the wall, which i imagine you're probably going to be hearing about that process because corporations can't spend 100 and over $100,000 from them as to what they can actually spend on that. and
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between karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. he talks about not wanting to get involved in stormy daniels. he says, i am not purchasing this tour i am not going to be involved with a porn star. as i've suddenly this is a line. he's going to draw it. i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial. he's the one who negotiated the ndas with mcdougal and with stormy and the timeline is professor kim knows is crucial in any prosecution in august of 2016, keith david rohde will say this is public, that he had a meeting with dylan howard who unfortunately is not a key witness, has been brought u
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karen mcdougal story. and when you look at the charges jeong documents here for trump, there are some hints about where this goes next david pecker ends up paying her, but at some point, he decides to not get reimbursed from trump wod and i'm curis as to why that happened. so ts is the opening salvo, but there's more to come. >> so again, you're not going to find the crime a to z found in any one paragraphf testimony, prosecutors have to build a case here. i think two things jump out at mfrom the transcriptone,his is a full nine alarm fire in trump wld & in the national enquirer in pecker'environment, they are i mean, they're pulling each other out of meetings. borderline panicking. the other thing is that a establishes a really important chain of communication because this is one of the rare instances. there's a few were david pecker has direct contact with donald trump. most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly act
karen mcdougal story. and when you look at the charges jeong documents here for trump, there are some hints about where this goes next david pecker ends up paying her, but at some point, he decides to not get reimbursed from trump wod and i'm curis as to why that happened. so ts is the opening salvo, but there's more to come. >> so again, you're not going to find the crime a to z found in any one paragraphf testimony, prosecutors have to build a case here. i think two things jump out at...
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there's no people surrounding karen mcdougal? yes, there's no question for exclusivity when you're a weekly publication and you need to hold someone from speaking to another media organization for a week's time, you're going to put them under some type of exclusivity. it could be a couple 100 dollars, it could be several thousands of dollars. i mean, we operated no differently. i mean, we were bold about the fact that we practice checkbook journalism and certainly there were individuals who called the enquirer tip line specifically because they were looking for money, but television shows would pay for video. they would pay still pay for somebody's scrapbook are still photos. it would justify sum payments, but they weren't as direct as the national enquirer and in terms of what it's become i mean, it is a shadow of its former self in terms of readership and in terms of do you think that they, do you think it will continue i mean, that's that is so hard to say. i feel a great deal of sadness over the way pecker came forward and ju
there's no people surrounding karen mcdougal? yes, there's no question for exclusivity when you're a weekly publication and you need to hold someone from speaking to another media organization for a week's time, you're going to put them under some type of exclusivity. it could be a couple 100 dollars, it could be several thousands of dollars. i mean, we operated no differently. i mean, we were bold about the fact that we practice checkbook journalism and certainly there were individuals who...
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so starting with karen mcdougal could, because i think this is actually fundamentally different. we were just talking about from stormy daniels. this was longer term, this was something that trump i mean, he's still denies actually the karen mcdougal relationship. what are you expecting from her? >> this one's more complicated. she has not been antagonistic about donald trump. she still speaks with him with some affection she described in her interview with anderson cooper, she described that they were in love. it was a very an actual relationship and that she ended it because she felt very bad about it being an affair. she's a religious woman and i think it's gonna be very different for him to see her in that courtroom versus stormy daniels or that was a more surface level? bowl, a fair it was a transactional. >> they were talking about a roll on celebrity apprentice for stormy daniels. it was not an emotional affair where he talked about having a child and karen mcdougal in her account, i think it's much more emotional thing than the stormy daniels that's really fascinating. i
so starting with karen mcdougal could, because i think this is actually fundamentally different. we were just talking about from stormy daniels. this was longer term, this was something that trump i mean, he's still denies actually the karen mcdougal relationship. what are you expecting from her? >> this one's more complicated. she has not been antagonistic about donald trump. she still speaks with him with some affection she described in her interview with anderson cooper, she described...
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they're going from their sabotaging karen mcdougal. they talked about, but door man who would made allegations which were proven to be false about a child, but trump's father was false. now, you're on stormy daniels, where are we in the testimony of david pecker? we're almost at the end because he is also talking about that trump tower meeting was what prosecutors have called the thank-you meeting where he talks to he goes and he sees trump. >> trump. thanks, tim taking care of this? he also invites him to the inauguration. david pecker said he didn't go, and then there's one more meeting that prosecutors have flagged. so this is what i expect david pecker will be asked about when in return soon for after lunch, was that it was in the spring or summer of 2017 after trump has been president, he invites david pecker to the white house, keep i'm sorry. i keep davidson. i'm dylan howard goes along with him and it was the thank you dinner. and he thinks him then trump thinks david pecker for everything he's done for the campaign. so that is
they're going from their sabotaging karen mcdougal. they talked about, but door man who would made allegations which were proven to be false about a child, but trump's father was false. now, you're on stormy daniels, where are we in the testimony of david pecker? we're almost at the end because he is also talking about that trump tower meeting was what prosecutors have called the thank-you meeting where he talks to he goes and he sees trump. >> trump. thanks, tim taking care of this? he...
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that's largely about karen mcdougal. there's a passing reference to stormy daniels in the story, but that is, that is a story that was published in the aftermath of access hollywood right before the election that was really back here, mcdougal now, the prosecutor is getting back into the notion of stormy daniels, and that is why so much of david pecker's testimony is about mcdougal or the doorman because that's what ami was involved with. i actually the stormy daniels thing, as we know, pecker said he wanted no part of that. is magazine is at walmart and that will look so good or what have you. and then this is on michael cohen and donald trump dissolve. and so they want to i guess the prosecutors now, if you look here, pecker says of daniel, sorry, that he wasn't going to print it or buy it or be associated with they wanted him to reassess sir that this issue, stormy daniels, which is what all the paperwork in this case is about those payments. that squarely in donald trump's lap via michael cohen were standing by to ge
that's largely about karen mcdougal. there's a passing reference to stormy daniels in the story, but that is, that is a story that was published in the aftermath of access hollywood right before the election that was really back here, mcdougal now, the prosecutor is getting back into the notion of stormy daniels, and that is why so much of david pecker's testimony is about mcdougal or the doorman because that's what ami was involved with. i actually the stormy daniels thing, as we know, pecker...
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and karen mcdougal story. so then trump's lawyer saying confronting with him some notes that an fbi agent had taken after an interview, david pecker gave to them. and in those fbi notes the notes say the david pecker didn't recall any gratitude from donald trump's, so he was challenging on on that asking him about that david pecker says i know what i remember. this is going back to 2018. i didn't recall back from what i'm saying here is that during the fbi investigation, i know what i said yesterday happens, so i can't reconcile what the fbi interview was. if someone made a mistake or not beauvais says, so you can't reconcile because what you said yesterday is inconsistent with what's in this report, correct? pecker says yes, but i wouldn't be responsible for this report, but they said i understand. so you're suggesting that the fbi made a mistake here. pecker said, i know what the truth is. i'm not i can't state what the woods here why this was written, this way. i know exactly what was sent to me so interest
and karen mcdougal story. so then trump's lawyer saying confronting with him some notes that an fbi agent had taken after an interview, david pecker gave to them. and in those fbi notes the notes say the david pecker didn't recall any gratitude from donald trump's, so he was challenging on on that asking him about that david pecker says i know what i remember. this is going back to 2018. i didn't recall back from what i'm saying here is that during the fbi investigation, i know what i said...
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mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be funny to hear. no, no. >> it's humiliating for sure. >> obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday. here's what he said this morning. >> i want to start by wishing my life were you happy birthday? >> i should be with her, but i'm the courthouse for rnc. >> so far. >> i'll be going there this evening absolutely. >> case furnishes out with this horrible unconstitutional okay now, you also posted a two-minute video on social media for her birthday, highlighting her time as first lady, and that is what really stood out to you today's stephanie, how come you know, i rolled my eyes when he did that, it was it was so beyond inappropriate, but yet so donald trump that on the way into a trial where they are t
mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be funny to hear. no, no. >> it's humiliating for sure. >> obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday....
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there's the one with karen mcdougal. and karen, there's also the one with stormy daniels. so these are bad acts that they're allowing alleged bad acts that they're allowed to bring in the prosecutor. yeah. well, this is this is the case. this is the meat of the case. so these are the charged conduct. interestingly, one of the things that matt colangelo's the de making the opening right now said which is david is a coconspirator of donald trump, not he acted as is coconspirator, not his publisher. so what he was saying is that's the conspiracy that meeting that happened in august of 2015 when they got together and they agreed they formed a conspiracy where they all got together and had an agreement that they were going to catch and kill these negative. >> and the first one according to the prosecutor, was this $30,000 payment to former doorman of trump tower, who alleged that trump had fathered a child outside of his marriage. there doesn't appear to be anything to that story at least now that we've seen no evidence that it's a real story, but the payment was made either wa
there's the one with karen mcdougal. and karen, there's also the one with stormy daniels. so these are bad acts that they're allowing alleged bad acts that they're allowed to bring in the prosecutor. yeah. well, this is this is the case. this is the meat of the case. so these are the charged conduct. interestingly, one of the things that matt colangelo's the de making the opening right now said which is david is a coconspirator of donald trump, not he acted as is coconspirator, not his...
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i mean, the he had an independent business relationship with karen mcdougal. she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines he i don't know why he wanted to do that, and obviously, trump did know why either and he was and you seem to be off donald trump. >> what's up and down that well it's not the first time. >> what i think is also significant about these passages is that it shows direct contact between david pecker and donald trump a lot of data pecker's testimony was going through michael cohen, the vast majority of its communications about karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. we're through michael cohen, but as prosecutor, you want to be able to point to these exact excerpts and say donald trump himself knew what was going on. it was very invested and not just conversation, direct conversations, but conversations and statements saying like, we have an agreement with stormy daniels, according to pecker, which gets to donald trump's state of mind that he knew there were these agreements in place because they refer his benefit. and that's the thi
i mean, the he had an independent business relationship with karen mcdougal. she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines he i don't know why he wanted to do that, and obviously, trump did know why either and he was and you seem to be off donald trump. >> what's up and down that well it's not the first time. >> what i think is also significant about these passages is that it shows direct contact between david pecker and donald trump a lot of data pecker's testimony...
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glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross this morning yeah no that. >> was the meat and bones of the prosecution's case in terms the idea that this was all tied to the campaign, that this wasn't a personal thing that wasn't what rudy giuliani is to talk about it. oh, was just disparate as family the embarrassment. >> no the entire criminal congruent between ami and donald trump threw my cohen was to assist the campaign to catch and kill these stories for the purpose of assist in this campaign. >> david pecker himself knew very well this was a campaign finance violations, but here's the catch. >> we're not charging him in new york wit
glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross this morning yeah no that....
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trump that was going to extend karen mcdougal's contract? it was for six months. the contract was up and i felt that from the last lunch that i had with her that we had fulfilled some of the obligations that she was looking for, specifically her beauty products and media training. so i was going to send her a new contract he thought that was on our original conversation. he thought that that was also a bad idea. so when i received the second call, when i got the call back and hope hicks and huckabee sanders, huckabee that sarah sanders when she was on the call, i explained to them to the two of them why i was going to extend the agreement and both of them said they thought it was a good idea. prosecutor asked, what was the reason that you gave for why you wanted to extend karen mcdougal's contract. pecker says, i wanted to extend or contract so she would not go out, not give any further interviews, are talked to the press, or say negative comments about american media or mr. trump? now you said that when you had your individual conversation with mr. trump, he was
trump that was going to extend karen mcdougal's contract? it was for six months. the contract was up and i felt that from the last lunch that i had with her that we had fulfilled some of the obligations that she was looking for, specifically her beauty products and media training. so i was going to send her a new contract he thought that was on our original conversation. he thought that that was also a bad idea. so when i received the second call, when i got the call back and hope hicks and...
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mcdougal's contract it should be extended. >> so just to remind people, karen mcdougal is 1998 playmate of the year, who alleged she had a long term affair and part of the catch and kill was to give her $150,000, david pecker did to have her not tell her story publicly it was not a script pecker said going on to confirm he wasn't surprised by any questions from the prosecutor. that's about the separate issue about whether they're not the defense or the rather the prosecution has coached him. in any case, karen mcdougal had this contract. she was she got $150,000. they bought the rights to her story, including her alleged a with donald trump and then david pecker calls the white house. and so should we, should we extend her contract? pecker said both of them hope and serous anderes said that they thought it was a good idea. >> now those are taxpayer funded employees of ours, of the white house at the time giving recommendation that karen mcdougal's contracts should be extended? >> that's that's pretty interesting. >> i don't think either of them were thinking also about trump's family or
mcdougal's contract it should be extended. >> so just to remind people, karen mcdougal is 1998 playmate of the year, who alleged she had a long term affair and part of the catch and kill was to give her $150,000, david pecker did to have her not tell her story publicly it was not a script pecker said going on to confirm he wasn't surprised by any questions from the prosecutor. that's about the separate issue about whether they're not the defense or the rather the prosecution has coached...
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he was paying money for the karen mcdougal scheme but at some point they said, you we're done being the bank. we are no longer sort of your bank for paying off these people in the caching kill& that explains why it is that michael cohen had to take out this home equity loan that we were hearing about just as the testimony was ending today and explain that difference. now, there's why it is that the national enquirer wasn't paying for this third and final scheme with respect to stormy daniels, but it had to be paid for by michael cohen. so i think that is a very important new detail that we heard that helped flesh out the scheme that we, the basics of which we knew about your book breaks down the very colorful cast of characters in this specific case, but not necessarily trump's assisted rhona graff and michael cohen's banker, gary farro. these lower profile voices set up the record keeping in the accounting that are clearly crucial to this overall case. but how to prosecutors make those rather dry details that we were hearing? very compelling for the jury not every witness in a trial is
he was paying money for the karen mcdougal scheme but at some point they said, you we're done being the bank. we are no longer sort of your bank for paying off these people in the caching kill& that explains why it is that michael cohen had to take out this home equity loan that we were hearing about just as the testimony was ending today and explain that difference. now, there's why it is that the national enquirer wasn't paying for this third and final scheme with respect to stormy...
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and was asking him, how's karen doing referring to karen mcdougal? >> what trump's team has been trying to do today, and it may seem in the weeds, but it's important it is to undermine what they were saying about the mcdougal agreement, saying actually she did benefit from it because she had these columns published by ami publications that had her name on it to have benefited her career. they're arguing they're saying that they believe they misled michael cohen on whether that agreement with karen mcdougal is bullet-proof. they're basically trying to undermine that. this is all this big cover up and beauvais is asking pecker about that testimony. you were just talking about yesterday, when pecker said trump thanked him for the doorman's story, kristen, you talk to trump sources all day long. what have you been hearing from them as they watch by the way? because obviously there are no cameras in the courtroom. my impression from some trump people as they're watching what we put on the screen and what we've put on cnn.com, beauvais, tip pecker, quote,
and was asking him, how's karen doing referring to karen mcdougal? >> what trump's team has been trying to do today, and it may seem in the weeds, but it's important it is to undermine what they were saying about the mcdougal agreement, saying actually she did benefit from it because she had these columns published by ami publications that had her name on it to have benefited her career. they're arguing they're saying that they believe they misled michael cohen on whether that agreement...
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karen mcdougal had a similar experience where initially when you look at the reporting, the offer was quite low for her story, it was someone who had suggested said, hey, you should tell your story. that guy is running for president. you want to be the one to tell your story. and then she came out with that also to speak to what this is all going to what these people at least believed it was about david pecker researched whether or not he was violating campaign finance laws when they were making the payment to karen mcdougal because obviously incorporations also cannot donate that much money to a political candidate. so he even thought that this was on the brink of violating the law and again, like look, i think i can't speak to the legalities of whether it's state or federal. >> but the way that the system also works in this country is that you can't just have people handing $130,000 to a candidate or corporation having $130,000 to a candidate. that's not how the system works to in order to protect the voter. i mean, there is an interest here in the voter& if we call this hush money,
karen mcdougal had a similar experience where initially when you look at the reporting, the offer was quite low for her story, it was someone who had suggested said, hey, you should tell your story. that guy is running for president. you want to be the one to tell your story. and then she came out with that also to speak to what this is all going to what these people at least believed it was about david pecker researched whether or not he was violating campaign finance laws when they were...
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mcdougal what payment the evidence of karen mcdougal will come into this case because it's relevant as background, but it's not charged as a crime. >> and the reason is the state crime here is falsification of business records. the allegation, as i said before, is that they did that with stormy daniels because it was really a hush payment, but they called it attorney's fees, but they did not do that with karen mcdougal. it was structured separately. it was structured essentially as a catch and kill that was no falsification. they paid her for the story and then they killed it. so the state law doesn't quite apply here on top, which is the point you were making before. yeah, but that with karen mcdougal, there was discussion of the trump trump world giving ami basically back that money. am i didn't do that and that's the next step that did not happen in that case. it makes it different from what and rudy giuliani is on television in 2018 saying that michael cohen wasn't doing legal work for donald trump when he was paid that amount of money. it's higher than the $130,000. it's closer
mcdougal what payment the evidence of karen mcdougal will come into this case because it's relevant as background, but it's not charged as a crime. >> and the reason is the state crime here is falsification of business records. the allegation, as i said before, is that they did that with stormy daniels because it was really a hush payment, but they called it attorney's fees, but they did not do that with karen mcdougal. it was structured separately. it was structured essentially as a...
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this is where pecker testified trump asked him how karen mcdougal is doing, how significant is that? >> well, i think it could be very significant wealth. i mean, i think that you're seeing right now earlier today, we saw trump's lawyers trying to say jazz, the david pecker is memory was faulty asking questions about contradictory answers he had given in different interviews with prosecutors. and i think that you will see he that is a theme, but to your point about the picture, there's documentation that backs up. what the story of the pecker is telling. there were a lot of references to text messages to email so the fact that pecker and those are supposed to speak to pecker's credibility. the fact that pecker is saying that he had this conversation with trump where trump was knowledgeable enough about karen mcdougal to ask, how is she doing? i think could end up being significant. they also elicited the prosecutors will from david pecker, an answer about essentially his motivations where it was of animus for trump and david pecker is answer was he was my mentor. i'm paraphrasing, bu
this is where pecker testified trump asked him how karen mcdougal is doing, how significant is that? >> well, i think it could be very significant wealth. i mean, i think that you're seeing right now earlier today, we saw trump's lawyers trying to say jazz, the david pecker is memory was faulty asking questions about contradictory answers he had given in different interviews with prosecutors. and i think that you will see he that is a theme, but to your point about the picture, there's...
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one was karen mcdougal. you had her first and her last name, her email, i think there was a phone number there. it was actually put up on a screen for the court to see, and then the other information was stephanie clifford, but it didn't say stephanie clifford, all it said was "stormy," and then it had a cell phone number. it is interesting, because i think part of the reason rona graff was brought in to testify was to establish potentially for the defense that the relationship between donald trump and stormy daniels could have been about stormy daniels wanting to become a contestant on "the celebrity apprentice," that she wanted something from him. because she came to trump tower in 2007, she has written about it in her book called "full disclosure," they had a meeting, and the allegation that was left for the defense by the jury is that she was there angling to get a slot or a celebrity spot on that show, "celebrity apprentice." >> interesting. kristy, you had taught blanche to explain somewhat awkwardly t
one was karen mcdougal. you had her first and her last name, her email, i think there was a phone number there. it was actually put up on a screen for the court to see, and then the other information was stephanie clifford, but it didn't say stephanie clifford, all it said was "stormy," and then it had a cell phone number. it is interesting, because i think part of the reason rona graff was brought in to testify was to establish potentially for the defense that the relationship...
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story not to help donald trump, but to help karen mcdougal. defense attorney emil bove. and you were very clear on cross-examination that ms. mcdougal did not want to publish that story, right? that is correct. bove, she wanted to promote her name and brand, correct? yes. she, karen mcdougal was illegitimate celebrity at that time, right? pecker, let me say this. did she meet the celebrity category at that time? no. there were reportedly audible chuckles in the courtroom after that happened. it was not what you would call a highlight moment for the defense. in fact, to be honest from my perspective almost none of it so far has seen all that great for donald trump. maybe you don't need a compelling narrative when the job is to get jurors to believe in reasonable doubt or maybe this is what is happening when you work with an impossible client and do a better job. what does a competent defense strategy look like in this trial? is it turns out, joining me now is andrew wiseman, and anna bello, a pleasure to have you both onset. first of all, i am
story not to help donald trump, but to help karen mcdougal. defense attorney emil bove. and you were very clear on cross-examination that ms. mcdougal did not want to publish that story, right? that is correct. bove, she wanted to promote her name and brand, correct? yes. she, karen mcdougal was illegitimate celebrity at that time, right? pecker, let me say this. did she meet the celebrity category at that time? no. there were reportedly audible chuckles in the courtroom after that happened. it...
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deal and just to remind folks, the karen mcdougal deal, this was a playboy playmate who alleged having a ten to 11 month relationship with donald trump. she had a story and what happened was that the tabloid magnate david pecker in ami, his company hired her. i gave her $150,000 to write a column for a different magazine in their end-to-end prior, i think it was health or health and fitness or something like that. she never wrote anything. she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david pecker had an election attorney look at this. this deal was going on. >> i think right before the 2016 election as well. yeah. well, it the implication would be that there was no actual election law violation as a result of these types of deals. right. so he has a lawyer ticket over. apparently the lawyer blessed it. right. and the deal with stormy daniels is strictly shuffle actually very, very similar, right? so that's sort of the implication. i don't think it actually is that potent of an observation. i don't i doubt we're going to hear from that lawyer in the course of this trial, which would be
deal and just to remind folks, the karen mcdougal deal, this was a playboy playmate who alleged having a ten to 11 month relationship with donald trump. she had a story and what happened was that the tabloid magnate david pecker in ami, his company hired her. i gave her $150,000 to write a column for a different magazine in their end-to-end prior, i think it was health or health and fitness or something like that. she never wrote anything. she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david...
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or he had just begun talking about karen mcdougal, the former playboy playmate, and his efforts to bury stories about her. this gets into a very important subject areas about what donald trump did and how he did it to keep stories from going public. and he could testify about stormy daniels later as well. there is more news though breaking overnight new charges in arizona against several donald trump's closest associates were trying to overthrow the election results. there former chief of staff mark meadows, is among those charged. now remember cassidy hutchinson worked for mark meadows and she spoke to cnn overnight, cnn senior crime adjusted reported katelyn poland's has the latest on that front, hard to keep up with it all galen yeah. >> john cassidy hutchinson is not likely to be a witness in this new york hush money trial, but she is someone who had a front row seat to the trump presidency. she was in the white house. she's someone who was very loyal to donald trump at the time it before becoming a key witness related to what happened during the 2020 election that led to other crim
or he had just begun talking about karen mcdougal, the former playboy playmate, and his efforts to bury stories about her. this gets into a very important subject areas about what donald trump did and how he did it to keep stories from going public. and he could testify about stormy daniels later as well. there is more news though breaking overnight new charges in arizona against several donald trump's closest associates were trying to overthrow the election results. there former chief of staff...
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mcdougal to get up there potentially. >> i just remind everyone what karen mcdougal has said about her alleged affair with donald trump when i got what ham actually, there was a there was a real relationship there, there was real if they were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just him. >> there was a rare relationship. there. were you in love with him? >> i want to and do you think he was in love with you? >> he was. yeah did don't trump ever say to you that he loved you all the time? i still me he loved me no. >> i don't maybe this is not a question, but is monitor angry are about stormy daniels or karen mcdougal? >> well, this is something i reported on back in the de for cnn and she's far more concerned, an emotional about karen mcdougal cool. because mostly of the things that she just said there to anderson cooper she was in her home, right? she don't jump took her to their their private personal home and he also according to karen mcdougal, said the elward's said that he loved are and that they loved each other. i think for millennia, john, that's far more
mcdougal to get up there potentially. >> i just remind everyone what karen mcdougal has said about her alleged affair with donald trump when i got what ham actually, there was a there was a real relationship there, there was real if they were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just him. >> there was a rare relationship. there. were you in love with him? >> i want to and do you think he was in love with you? >> he was. yeah did don't trump ever say...
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she also confirmed that he kept contact information for karen mcdougal and for stormy daniels who's said she saw at trump tower and assumed that she was being considered for celebrity apprentice from the transcript, am i correct that prior to starmer, stormy daniels coming up to the office at trump tower, you recall hearing president trump discuss whether stormy daniels would be a good contested answer? i vaguely the recall hearing him say that she was at one at one of the people who may be an interesting contestant on that show and then last step today you had michael cohen's former banker, gary farro, a connect the dots kind of witness said that cohen coordinated with him to try to create an account for an llc that cohen would use to pay stormy daniels at 130,000 bucks. >> now from the transcripts, they tell you what the new account would be four answer the same for real estate and did he express any type of urgency and opening the account answer every time moke michael cohen spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this is one of those times answer, this is one of those times. let'
she also confirmed that he kept contact information for karen mcdougal and for stormy daniels who's said she saw at trump tower and assumed that she was being considered for celebrity apprentice from the transcript, am i correct that prior to starmer, stormy daniels coming up to the office at trump tower, you recall hearing president trump discuss whether stormy daniels would be a good contested answer? i vaguely the recall hearing him say that she was at one at one of the people who may be an...
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mcdougal. >> karen mcdougal and promised he was going to put her on the cover and then he realized he wasn't getting paid back, he was like, i'm not doing anymore. is that the sequence? >> he said on the stand, i'm not a bank. that's kind of almost why we're here, because of the stormy daniels payoff, boss he didn't want to front that money, because he had already fronted up the 30k for the doorman, that catch and kill that we did. and then, he would also have put up the money for karen mcdougal, the 150k. by the time stormy daniels comes on the scene straight off the "access hollywood" tape where the campaign is panicking. they don't want any more sordid details. that transaction is then put back on michael cohen and trump because pecker doesn't want to front any more money. what i found extraordinary today, many extraordinary moments, but one of them and i think this was brilliant by the prosecution, really showing how the deal was structured with karen mcdougal, david pecker knew this was a campaign finance violation. the waythy structured that contract for the fitness columns whic
mcdougal. >> karen mcdougal and promised he was going to put her on the cover and then he realized he wasn't getting paid back, he was like, i'm not doing anymore. is that the sequence? >> he said on the stand, i'm not a bank. that's kind of almost why we're here, because of the stormy daniels payoff, boss he didn't want to front that money, because he had already fronted up the 30k for the doorman, that catch and kill that we did. and then, he would also have put up the money for...
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who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution has put in a few things about he's a challenging kind of client for that bank guy. pecker thinks he exaggerates. so the jury, i'm sure, is very curious to see this guy. and i think the da's main task, they have laid the tracks well, but they know that cohen is coming. their main task is between hicks, between pecker, and then the paperwork is to corroborate every single hole so at the end of the day, they can get up and say, look, michael cohen, first of all, you can believe him for these reasons, but even if you don't, every single piece. but i bet bac
who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution...
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so when he is back on this in on thursday, he will then begin to describe the karen mcdougal deal we got just the beginning of this today where they learned about her allegation of a romantic relationship with trump, and they're figuring out what to do with it. when he left us 20 today was that he was being called frequently by a by michael cohen who wanted to know where things stood. so that will pick up on thursday, understanding how this deal ended up being one of these caching kills were ami paid $150,000 start to go away and then shifting into the stormy daniels payment that is at the heart of this case. and what that transfer and how am i found out about it and how it ultimately led to michael cohen being the one to pay the $130,000 that then prosecutor peter say trump reimbursed in width so that we'll get to the key elements of this case when pecker is back on the stand on thursday. >> all right. kara scannell outside the courthouse in manhattan. thanks so much for joining us. sounded discuss is jeremy saland, a former prosecutor with manhattan district attorney, as well as tr
so when he is back on this in on thursday, he will then begin to describe the karen mcdougal deal we got just the beginning of this today where they learned about her allegation of a romantic relationship with trump, and they're figuring out what to do with it. when he left us 20 today was that he was being called frequently by a by michael cohen who wanted to know where things stood. so that will pick up on thursday, understanding how this deal ended up being one of these caching kills were...
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whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was, you know, he was very very concerned about it. >> so i said a moment ago, and andrew weissmann points this out. the 24 million was regarding stormy daniels, not karen mcdougal, but this was george conway telling, you know, this network that he was at a dinner where he heard donald trump talking about this. could he end up testifying? i mean, is this an opening for the d.a. to call george conway? >> you know, i don't think so. what i would say is it's consistent with, you know, that he's reacting to this, but it's not really corroborative of exactly what david pecker is saying because, you know, david pecker has a direct conversation with donald trump, and as vaughn correctly said, it's important for both what it is, and it's also important because as the piece that vaughn has alluded to, which is donald trump then saying he doesn't know anything about it, you can be sure the d.a. is going to play that so that you have that sort of, you know, there's nothing better for menta
whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was, you know, he was very very concerned about it. >> so i said a moment ago, and andrew weissmann points this out. the 24 million was regarding stormy daniels, not karen mcdougal, but this was george conway telling, you know, this network that he was at a dinner where he heard donald trump talking about this. could he end up testifying? i mean, is this an opening for the d.a. to call george conway? >> you know, i don't think so....
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there is a chance that karen mcdougal could take the stand here. so you have been watching all of this, katie, what are your thoughts? at this point. to go i am of course always looking at the political side of all of this. there was an interesting poll that came out yesterday saying even if trump were convicted in the specific case, 62% of people say it would not affect their vote. 15% of people say that it would encourage them to vote for him if he were to be convicted. than about 20% of people that say invite and encourage them not to vote for him. so while we are all watching this the american people are paying attention to this very specific case. a lot of people have argued that president trump is going to be able on the campaign trail as he has to say i am a victim of this but i think the broader argument as he could say democrats are using the justice system to go after their political opponents by all of the analysis we have heard by our excellent legal analyst so far in this case, they don't yet have evidence trump knew about these paymen
there is a chance that karen mcdougal could take the stand here. so you have been watching all of this, katie, what are your thoughts? at this point. to go i am of course always looking at the political side of all of this. there was an interesting poll that came out yesterday saying even if trump were convicted in the specific case, 62% of people say it would not affect their vote. 15% of people say that it would encourage them to vote for him if he were to be convicted. than about 20% of...
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but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she didn't give prosecutors some of the admissions they wanted. they were trying to establish trump had a business reason to have stormy in his rolodex, in particular, he was looking at her as a plausible candidate for the celebrity apprentice. she wouldn't necessarily go there. she said yeah, i have a vague recollection based on some office chatter that she was talked about as an interesting candidate. but never did she say i heard it directly from trump. i overheard trump talking about her. rather, she saw her once in the reception area of the business offices at
but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she...
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she also had contact information for karen mcdougal, the former "playboy" model who had an affair with trump. she typed in two addresses, a cell phone number and e-mail address. trump denies that affair, too, but former "national enquirer" public er publisher, david pecker, has testified that at trump's direction, his tabloid bought mcdougal's story but never ran it to protect trump's campaign. and after the election, pecker told the jury trump thanked him. on cross examination, trump's lawyer, susan necheles, suggested stormy daniels visited trump tower because she was being considered for a role on the apprentice. graff said there was office chatter about that, adding "i vaguely recall hearing trump say that daniels may be one of the interesting people who could be on the show." but no ambiguity on one point, when trump's lawyer asked graff if she wanted to be there in court, her one word answer, "no." and as she left the stand, donald trump rose up out of his chair to greet her, whispering some words and extending his hand. >> reporter: the first week of testimony ended with a bante
she also had contact information for karen mcdougal, the former "playboy" model who had an affair with trump. she typed in two addresses, a cell phone number and e-mail address. trump denies that affair, too, but former "national enquirer" public er publisher, david pecker, has testified that at trump's direction, his tabloid bought mcdougal's story but never ran it to protect trump's campaign. and after the election, pecker told the jury trump thanked him. on cross...
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but on the stand he revealed the president did not want to buy karen mcdougal's story telling him not to purchase it saying such scandalous stories always get out anyway and pecker said he never dealt with president trump on it directly but with his lawyer, michael cohen, when negotiating with mcdougall. pecker said he asked about lots of stories about celebrities including quashing an alleged affair of arnold schwarzenegger, tiger woods, and emmanuel ran mia among others. so when mcdougall came knocking to be paid to pecker said it was another routine celebrity sex scandal that happened to touch on his pal donald trump. we also got a preview of the trump defense strategy to attack the credibility of his former close aide and lawyer michael cohen expected to be there prosecution's star witness in a couple of weeks. trump's lawyer asked pecker all about michael cohen suggesting he is "prone to exaggeration" and he said you cannot trust anything michael cohen says as he raised that issue prosecutors objected to that. so far there has been no direct evidence the former president was actu
but on the stand he revealed the president did not want to buy karen mcdougal's story telling him not to purchase it saying such scandalous stories always get out anyway and pecker said he never dealt with president trump on it directly but with his lawyer, michael cohen, when negotiating with mcdougall. pecker said he asked about lots of stories about celebrities including quashing an alleged affair of arnold schwarzenegger, tiger woods, and emmanuel ran mia among others. so when mcdougall...
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the story of karen mcdougall, who claims to have had a year-long affair with trump, which he denies. when he learned mcdougall was trying to sell her story in june 2016, pecker said he immediately called cohen. he said he and cohen were already talking a couple times a week, but after pecker brought up mcdougall, their calls became a lot more frequent. michael was very agitated, he told the jury. it looked like he was getting a lot of pressure. he kept on calling, and each time, he seemed more anxious. pecker said he assumed trump was asking cohen, did we hear anything yet? he told trump to buy the rights to mcguy dal's story, trump's response, i don't buy stories. when you do anything like this, i always gets out. ultimately, pecker's company paid karen mcdougall $150,000 for the rights of her stories, but never published it. pecker's testimony resumes thursday. trump today complaining he's stuck in court while president biden is out on the campaign trail. >> they're keeping me in a courtroom, that's freezing, by the way, he's out campaigning and i'm here in a courtroom sitting here
the story of karen mcdougall, who claims to have had a year-long affair with trump, which he denies. when he learned mcdougall was trying to sell her story in june 2016, pecker said he immediately called cohen. he said he and cohen were already talking a couple times a week, but after pecker brought up mcdougall, their calls became a lot more frequent. michael was very agitated, he told the jury. it looked like he was getting a lot of pressure. he kept on calling, and each time, he seemed more...
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when i talked first about the agreement with karen mcdougal and ami. on cross, there is an attempt to say, well, lawyers negotiated this, even in the opening, this was blessed by lawyers. to give the jury the impression that lawyers said this is okay so donald trump must've thought it was okay. by the way, an objection that got sustained because you can't make that argument. he has no advice of counsel or presence of counsel. >> ruled out in pretrial motions. >>. now you have this agreement. the agreement, the word campaign doesn't show up once, right ? this agreement with karen mcdougal is for promotional opportunities, for her to be on the cover of the magazine, for her to go straight articles. and, he never on redirect, it was so effective from the state because they are like campaign doesn't come up anywhere. when you talked to your attorney, ami general counsel, you never mentioned michael cohen, you never mentioned the campaign, you never mentioned you were trying to help once the election. there's not but, this looks like a standard agreement fo
when i talked first about the agreement with karen mcdougal and ami. on cross, there is an attempt to say, well, lawyers negotiated this, even in the opening, this was blessed by lawyers. to give the jury the impression that lawyers said this is okay so donald trump must've thought it was okay. by the way, an objection that got sustained because you can't make that argument. he has no advice of counsel or presence of counsel. >> ruled out in pretrial motions. >>. now you have this...
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yes, karen mcdougal is a big part of this. she's not charged here in large part because the conduct she alleges false outside of the statute of limitations but this is going to be a big part of the story that's shows there is a whole range of conduct that this particular candidate and those around him were invested in keeping from everyone else. >> andrew, it is karen mcdougal who, in january after the election, they decide, you know what, we don't have to hold her to the nondisclosure anymore because we after the election, which is such a key element in incentives here. >> what the state needs to make sure the jury does not sort of go off on is that this was just a schema with respect to melania trump. that is the john edwards defense. they need to say this isn't just some personal thing, this is about the campaign. the fact of what he does afterwards. apparently, david is going to say into that and 17, he meets with donald trump, who thanks him for helping him win the campaign and win the election. >> that is all in the open
yes, karen mcdougal is a big part of this. she's not charged here in large part because the conduct she alleges false outside of the statute of limitations but this is going to be a big part of the story that's shows there is a whole range of conduct that this particular candidate and those around him were invested in keeping from everyone else. >> andrew, it is karen mcdougal who, in january after the election, they decide, you know what, we don't have to hold her to the nondisclosure...
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pecker was that your purpose and locking up the karen mcdougal story to influence the election. this is laura's point about repetition. again he says pecker says, yes. so cyclists, if i understand you correctly, running stories that praise mr. trump appealed to your readership. packers says yes, they did what they were doing here was suppressing these stories that appeal to the rigueur ship in a way that later on in this, he does say this was actually against our interest because we could have made a ton of money on this story but chose not to because it was in our interest to help out donald. >> how does that play marcus? >> well, i think it plays well, honestly, for the for the government's case, when we go to the reputation of, your going through these themes like instead of being the national enquirer where i'm going to post these trump stories. i'm going to keep it because i wanted to win the election and that's really important for proven up in the misdemeanor to the felony sayyed this false business records claims, and i don't know. i've heard a lot of commentators say th
pecker was that your purpose and locking up the karen mcdougal story to influence the election. this is laura's point about repetition. again he says pecker says, yes. so cyclists, if i understand you correctly, running stories that praise mr. trump appealed to your readership. packers says yes, they did what they were doing here was suppressing these stories that appeal to the rigueur ship in a way that later on in this, he does say this was actually against our interest because we could have...
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>> that david pecker was killed in the catch and kill stories including karen mcdougal and other catch and kill stories, that he was at meetings when these were discussed, but when it came to stormy daniels, he backed out, for a reason that actually was, you know, really silly in that he was never reimbursed or never paid back and he didn't want to get involved with a porn star according to his own testimony because of contracts he had with walmart. that's why the people are calling him. what the defense is trying to do in cross examination is create separation. okay, there may have been this karen mcdougal arrangement there may have been this 2015 meeting, there may have been this catch and kill with a doorman, but you were not involved in the whole stormy daniels saga, so therefore you don't have valuable information about that. look, there are not a lot of options for cross examination. i've been thinking about it entirely during his direct testimony. where would the defense go? and they can only go to the classics, his ability to remember, his moative in that he has an agreement or
>> that david pecker was killed in the catch and kill stories including karen mcdougal and other catch and kill stories, that he was at meetings when these were discussed, but when it came to stormy daniels, he backed out, for a reason that actually was, you know, really silly in that he was never reimbursed or never paid back and he didn't want to get involved with a porn star according to his own testimony because of contracts he had with walmart. that's why the people are calling him....
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it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much, but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with arguably, but at some point the notion. so i was involved in the scheme to make an illegal campaign donation and i was involved in this scheme to sort pay off michael cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. now, arguably that is the defense, that is their best defense. >> but at some point, if he's involved in all the other parts of this scheme, i think it's reasonable to say, well, maybe he was in part involved in this part of it if he was checking to make sure that the payment was made in cash, that does point to a level of interest in sort of the nitty-gritt
it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much, but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with arguably, but at...
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pecker also discussed in earlier scheme involving former playboy model karen mcdougal. she alleged having a nearly year long relationship with trump, which the former president denies. pecker told the jury he would not have entered into the deal with mcdougal if it wasn't going to benefit trump's campaign saying, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. trump's attorney, emil beauvais, used his time cross-examining pecker to show how the mutually ben relationship between him and trump went back almost two decades before the 2016 election. he confirmed with pecker that he had been giving trump a heads-up about negative stories during that time, bove as pecker if it was standard operating procedure for media to work with politicians, including sometimes to win elections pecker replied, yes. >> today was breathtaking. this room. he went on, he was breathtaking and amazing testimony. before court, trump commented on pecker's testimony at a stop at a midtown construction site. prosecutors cited his words to the judge on thursday as
pecker also discussed in earlier scheme involving former playboy model karen mcdougal. she alleged having a nearly year long relationship with trump, which the former president denies. pecker told the jury he would not have entered into the deal with mcdougal if it wasn't going to benefit trump's campaign saying, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. trump's attorney, emil beauvais, used his time cross-examining pecker to show how the mutually ben...
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mcdougal the one alleged affair with alleged affair. the other was adore man who alleged falsely the trump was the father of a child. and the third, of course, with stormy daniels, who is the basis for the charges in the case. and david is the key figure in all three of these who basically controlled the money, or at least for two of them he controlled the money for how these stories we're going to be suppressed. and that, that's what that's what colangelo's talked about in the opening statements, and that's what cracker began to testify in his testimony today. and qarrah white is the suppression of these stories matter? >> because at the time hi and what they were trying to do in the opening statement and what they're going to try to do through the witnesses is take the jury back to 2015 and 2016 when none of this information was out in the open and the access hollywood tape had just come out and the campaign very much did not want these negative stories. trump was not the candidate that he is today with the popularity that he has now,
mcdougal the one alleged affair with alleged affair. the other was adore man who alleged falsely the trump was the father of a child. and the third, of course, with stormy daniels, who is the basis for the charges in the case. and david is the key figure in all three of these who basically controlled the money, or at least for two of them he controlled the money for how these stories we're going to be suppressed. and that, that's what that's what colangelo's talked about in the opening...
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david is company made to buy the rights to former playboy model karen mcdougal story about an alleged affair with trump years earlier. >> ronen spoke to mcdougal in detail, the allergen patients and the scheme to kill her story tomorrow when the trial resumes, ronan's reporting will be a key piece of evidence. >> i i spoke to mcdougal in 2018, and the only tv interviewed she'd done about her relationship with trump. here's what she told me once donald trump won the republican nomination, right? kites, you're saying ami suddenly came back to you with interests to keith? yes. to us for the story. yeah. >> what do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back they wanted to squash story you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump i'm assuming so. yeah. >> if donald trump hadn't been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami knowing what you know now, probably not know how for not you're pretty you're convinced now this was an effort to do a favor for donald trump in the last few months of the presi
david is company made to buy the rights to former playboy model karen mcdougal story about an alleged affair with trump years earlier. >> ronen spoke to mcdougal in detail, the allergen patients and the scheme to kill her story tomorrow when the trial resumes, ronan's reporting will be a key piece of evidence. >> i i spoke to mcdougal in 2018, and the only tv interviewed she'd done about her relationship with trump. here's what she told me once donald trump won the republican...
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so up you have stormy daniels, you have karen mcdougal. we saw of key players. the women who were involved and the details could be even more revealing in terms of trump's actual involvement. we hear that the defense will site stormy daniels does not know anything about what went wrong in terms of the business records, but stormy daniels will still be relying kind of her interactions with the former president and i think that will be very uncomfortable for trump as he continues to have to sit through weeks of these cases and these stories that are being laid out for the jury to hear. >> let's discuss the supreme court hearing arguments on thursday on trump's claims of presidential immunity. it appears some justices believe at least some immunity is necessary. to the questions indicate to you how they are likely to rule? >> alex, they did and the indicated that to me indirectly because of some of the things we heard the justices say. is not related to the issue before them, but i thought it was amazing that justice alito actually said, isn't it true that the gran
so up you have stormy daniels, you have karen mcdougal. we saw of key players. the women who were involved and the details could be even more revealing in terms of trump's actual involvement. we hear that the defense will site stormy daniels does not know anything about what went wrong in terms of the business records, but stormy daniels will still be relying kind of her interactions with the former president and i think that will be very uncomfortable for trump as he continues to have to sit...
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vaughn, trump's lawyer has been asking pecker about his negotiations with karen mcdougal. what are they getting at? >> reporter: this is all part of the effort here from the defense team to make the case to the jury that this was a long-standing practice on the part of the "national enquirer" to buy up stories and workshop them, make sure to see whether they were true or not, but also to put out other negative stories about other celebrities or politicians medical record to help boost sales because they are a company that is trying to drive publications sales and make money, and when it comes specifically to karen mcdougal, there is an exchange here where emil bove, donald trump's attorney asks her, quote, when you first learned about this, you understand ms. mcdougal did not want to publish. what she wanted was to restart her career, and ami could help her, to which david pecker responded, yes. what they are trying to lay out is that david pecker was not initially engaging with karen mcdougal in an effort to, you know, keep her from going public because she never intended
vaughn, trump's lawyer has been asking pecker about his negotiations with karen mcdougal. what are they getting at? >> reporter: this is all part of the effort here from the defense team to make the case to the jury that this was a long-standing practice on the part of the "national enquirer" to buy up stories and workshop them, make sure to see whether they were true or not, but also to put out other negative stories about other celebrities or politicians medical record to help...