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he is talking about karen mcdougal and non-disclosure agreements. explain the significance. >> reporter: keith davidson has not been a public figure. it's not like he has come out and done tv interviews or talked about his representation of stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. that's why for the prosecution, he could be key here as linking these pieces together. he was the one in 2016 who was negotiating the selling of karen mcdougal and stormy daniels' story. he will be able to provide some veracity to the expected testimony of michael cohen and their exchanges and how ultimately the negotiations of their sales went down. right now, the prosecution for the jury is simply setting up, how did you become aware of karen mcdougal? he is saying he knew her for 25 years. he got connected to her via a friend of his. then started representing her in the summer of 2016. that is where the retainer was set up. he was beginning to personally advise and provide counsel for her. he was sort of the attorney/agent role there where alleged he was negotiating, helping
he is talking about karen mcdougal and non-disclosure agreements. explain the significance. >> reporter: keith davidson has not been a public figure. it's not like he has come out and done tv interviews or talked about his representation of stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. that's why for the prosecution, he could be key here as linking these pieces together. he was the one in 2016 who was negotiating the selling of karen mcdougal and stormy daniels' story. he will be able to provide...
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one was karen mcdougal. you had her first and her last name, her email, i think there was a phone number there. it was actually put up on a screen for the court to see, and then the other information was stephanie clifford, but it didn't say stephanie clifford, all it said was "stormy," and then it had a cell phone number. it is interesting, because i think part of the reason rona graff was brought in to testify was to establish potentially for the defense that the relationship between donald trump and stormy daniels could have been about stormy daniels wanting to become a contestant on "the celebrity apprentice," that she wanted something from him. because she came to trump tower in 2007, she has written about it in her book called "full disclosure," they had a meeting, and the allegation that was left for the defense by the jury is that she was there angling to get a slot or a celebrity spot on that show, "celebrity apprentice." >> interesting. kristy, you had taught blanche to explain somewhat awkwardly t
one was karen mcdougal. you had her first and her last name, her email, i think there was a phone number there. it was actually put up on a screen for the court to see, and then the other information was stephanie clifford, but it didn't say stephanie clifford, all it said was "stormy," and then it had a cell phone number. it is interesting, because i think part of the reason rona graff was brought in to testify was to establish potentially for the defense that the relationship...
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but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she didn't give prosecutors some of the admissions they wanted. they were trying to establish trump had a business reason to have stormy in his rolodex, in particular, he was looking at her as a plausible candidate for the celebrity apprentice. she wouldn't necessarily go there. she said yeah, i have a vague recollection based on some office chatter that she was talked about as an interesting candidate. but never did she say i heard it directly from trump. i overheard trump talking about her. rather, she saw her once in the reception area of the business offices at
but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she...
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when i talked first about the agreement with karen mcdougal and ami. on cross, there is an attempt to say, well, lawyers negotiated this, even in the opening, this was blessed by lawyers. to give the jury the impression that lawyers said this is okay so donald trump must've thought it was okay. by the way, an objection that got sustained because you can't make that argument. he has no advice of counsel or presence of counsel. >> ruled out in pretrial motions. >>. now you have this agreement. the agreement, the word campaign doesn't show up once, right ? this agreement with karen mcdougal is for promotional opportunities, for her to be on the cover of the magazine, for her to go straight articles. and, he never on redirect, it was so effective from the state because they are like campaign doesn't come up anywhere. when you talked to your attorney, ami general counsel, you never mentioned michael cohen, you never mentioned the campaign, you never mentioned you were trying to help once the election. there's not but, this looks like a standard agreement fo
when i talked first about the agreement with karen mcdougal and ami. on cross, there is an attempt to say, well, lawyers negotiated this, even in the opening, this was blessed by lawyers. to give the jury the impression that lawyers said this is okay so donald trump must've thought it was okay. by the way, an objection that got sustained because you can't make that argument. he has no advice of counsel or presence of counsel. >> ruled out in pretrial motions. >>. now you have this...
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mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be funny to hear. no, no. >> it's humiliating for sure. >> obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday. here's what he said this morning. >> i want to start by wishing my life were you happy birthday? >> i should be with her, but i'm the courthouse for rnc. >> so far. >> i'll be going there this evening absolutely. >> case furnishes out with this horrible unconstitutional okay now, you also posted a two-minute video on social media for her birthday, highlighting her time as first lady, and that is what really stood out to you today's stephanie, how come you know, i rolled my eyes when he did that, it was it was so beyond inappropriate, but yet so donald trump that on the way into a trial where they are t
mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be funny to hear. no, no. >> it's humiliating for sure. >> obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday....
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karen mcdougal, the former playboy play man, foreign president, allegedly had an affair with, will be allowed to testify and other hand, the access hollywood it would tape which everybody knows about cant be played for the jury. >> i thought those were very reasonable conclusions by the judge the karen mcdougal story is very similar to the stormy daniels story. it is money paid for silence for women who allegedly involved with trump at trump's behalf the idea that trump was trying to keep information from the voters on the eve of, on the eve of the election. bye, by paying this money or having his allies at the national enquirer pay pay karen mcdougal. >> i also thought >> it was appropriate to keep the access hollywood tape out. that is a k he's that is a tape about non-consensual sexual contact. the donald trump saying what everyone knows he said about what he could do with women. >> that's not what this >> case is about. no one stormy daniels and karen mcdougal both it claim that this was consensual sex, and i thought keeping that away from the jury, even though they probably alrea
karen mcdougal, the former playboy play man, foreign president, allegedly had an affair with, will be allowed to testify and other hand, the access hollywood it would tape which everybody knows about cant be played for the jury. >> i thought those were very reasonable conclusions by the judge the karen mcdougal story is very similar to the stormy daniels story. it is money paid for silence for women who allegedly involved with trump at trump's behalf the idea that trump was trying to keep...
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the karen mcdougal story is very similar to the stormy daniels story. it is money paid for silence for women who were allegedly involved with trump at trump's behalf asked the idea that trump was trying to keep information from the voters on the eve of, on the eve of the election by, by paying this money or having his allies at the national enquirer pay pay karen mcdougal. i also thought it was appropriate to keep the access hollywood tape out. that is the case. that is a tape about non consensual sexual contact the donald trump saying what everyone knows he said about what he could do with women. >> that's >> not what this case is about no one to stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, both it claim that this was consensual sex, and i thought keeping that away from the jury, even though they probably already know about it, wasn't appropriate decision for trump's benefit caitlin also the trump team made a request of the judge regarding another hearing in washington, dc next week? >> yeah. it just shows you how all of trump's legal issues are kind of collidin
the karen mcdougal story is very similar to the stormy daniels story. it is money paid for silence for women who were allegedly involved with trump at trump's behalf asked the idea that trump was trying to keep information from the voters on the eve of, on the eve of the election by, by paying this money or having his allies at the national enquirer pay pay karen mcdougal. i also thought it was appropriate to keep the access hollywood tape out. that is the case. that is a tape about non...
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so up you have stormy daniels, you have karen mcdougal. we saw of key players. the women who were involved and the details could be even more revealing in terms of trump's actual involvement. we hear that the defense will site stormy daniels does not know anything about what went wrong in terms of the business records, but stormy daniels will still be relying kind of her interactions with the former president and i think that will be very uncomfortable for trump as he continues to have to sit through weeks of these cases and these stories that are being laid out for the jury to hear. >> let's discuss the supreme court hearing arguments on thursday on trump's claims of presidential immunity. it appears some justices believe at least some immunity is necessary. to the questions indicate to you how they are likely to rule? >> alex, they did and the indicated that to me indirectly because of some of the things we heard the justices say. is not related to the issue before them, but i thought it was amazing that justice alito actually said, isn't it true that the gran
so up you have stormy daniels, you have karen mcdougal. we saw of key players. the women who were involved and the details could be even more revealing in terms of trump's actual involvement. we hear that the defense will site stormy daniels does not know anything about what went wrong in terms of the business records, but stormy daniels will still be relying kind of her interactions with the former president and i think that will be very uncomfortable for trump as he continues to have to sit...
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karen mcdougal . he wanted to say, even if this is a misdemeanor or falsification of business records, the next crime does not exist. it is not an election crime because this is about protecting melania, not to influence an election. david pecker said melania was not even mentioned. this was all about helpingselection. finally, wanted to make this case about michael cohen, who has some problems because he was convicted of felonies, including lying, but he was lying for president donald . but here, you have david providing cooperation for what michael cohen is going to testify to. it is one thing to say you are a liar. it is another thing to say you are a liar, but everyone seems to cooperate your story. >> i got that hogan's hero analogy with the sergeant. one of the central themes of david testimony was the arrangement he made with president donald to have the parent company of the national mcdougal pay playboy model karen mcdougal $150,000 for her story, alleging she had a 10 month long affair with
karen mcdougal . he wanted to say, even if this is a misdemeanor or falsification of business records, the next crime does not exist. it is not an election crime because this is about protecting melania, not to influence an election. david pecker said melania was not even mentioned. this was all about helpingselection. finally, wanted to make this case about michael cohen, who has some problems because he was convicted of felonies, including lying, but he was lying for president donald . but...
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i mean, the he had an independent business relationship with karen mcdougal. she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines he i don't know why he wanted to do that, and obviously, trump did know why either and he was and you sent me off donald trump. what's up and down that well, it's not the first time. >> what i think is also significant about these passages is that it shows direct contact between david pecker and donald trump and a lot of pecker's testimony was going through michael cohen, the vast majority he was communications about karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. we're through michael cohen, but as prosecutor, you want to be able to point to these exact excerpts and say donald trump himself knew what was going on. it was very invested and not just conversation der conversations, but conversations and statements saying like we have an agreement with stormy daniels according to pecker, which gets to donald trump's state of mind that he knew there for these agreements in place because they were for his benefit. and that's the thing. is tha
i mean, the he had an independent business relationship with karen mcdougal. she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines he i don't know why he wanted to do that, and obviously, trump did know why either and he was and you sent me off donald trump. what's up and down that well, it's not the first time. >> what i think is also significant about these passages is that it shows direct contact between david pecker and donald trump and a lot of pecker's testimony was going...
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at one point pecker asked michael cohen who will pay me back for the $150,000 for karen mcdougal? and cohan said don't worry, the boss will take care of a. where do you think we are with where we have heard so far? >> pecker said he and trump had some sort of gentlemen's agreement on how this would w work. again this was a mutually beneficial relationship according to pecker. donald trump apparently sold the most magazines from them than anyone else and he said something like 80% of his "national enquirer" readers wanted donald trump to win the presidency if he ran so he saw this as an opportunity when donald trump decided to run to both help his business but also help the former president's campaign as well. as far as what we have learned so far we have learned a lot about the cd feelings of tabloid culture in new york city. we have not learned anything with respect to the crime at issue. i think the state is attempting to hone in on this vague new york election law that's says conspiring to influence an election through unlawful means, that's what they are trying to get them on.
at one point pecker asked michael cohen who will pay me back for the $150,000 for karen mcdougal? and cohan said don't worry, the boss will take care of a. where do you think we are with where we have heard so far? >> pecker said he and trump had some sort of gentlemen's agreement on how this would w work. again this was a mutually beneficial relationship according to pecker. donald trump apparently sold the most magazines from them than anyone else and he said something like 80% of his...
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karen mcdougal was doing. in other words, was she sufficiently happy to keep others quiet? when she wasn't, at a point in time after she had sued the "enquirer" and wanted to be released from her non-disclosure agreement, trump was furious to see the interview with anderson cooper. pecker recounted that information, as well, willie. >> it's interesting. shorthand for this trial for some has been the stomy daniels hush money case, but karen mcdougal was the focus yesterday. $150,000 that mr. pecker says he paid. hired her for a job. it was kind of a no-show job as a fitness writer, something like that. how does karen mcdougal factor into this case? how central is she? >> karen mcdougal is not central to the crime itself. remember, again, the manhattan d.a. has charged donald trump with falsification of business records. but what makes it a felony, according to the d.a., is that those business records were falsified with the intent to either commit or conceal a crime. they have now elaborated on that theory. bas
karen mcdougal was doing. in other words, was she sufficiently happy to keep others quiet? when she wasn't, at a point in time after she had sued the "enquirer" and wanted to be released from her non-disclosure agreement, trump was furious to see the interview with anderson cooper. pecker recounted that information, as well, willie. >> it's interesting. shorthand for this trial for some has been the stomy daniels hush money case, but karen mcdougal was the focus yesterday....
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thank you, david for helping me hide karen mcdougal. we didn't hear that at all, wh? of the crime were committed through the indictment with the statement of facts you would have expected each and every one of these witnesses to have bombshell type testimony linking donald trump directly to an idea of having a specific of mental intent of interfering with the election in an illegal fashion. but what we hear is what happened at ami through david pecker is perfectly normal activity for celebrities to engage in with a certain tabloid publications that if stories are coming out that are unfortunately defamatory to someone's personal interests they do these "catch and kill" programs. it does not have to do with politics and has its reputation, celebrity status the protection of your own image within your family and the public. this is consistent with donald trump's claim of innocence all along. see for the prosecution patient is as election indifference they try to hide karen mcdougal and stuart mcdaniels for the voters would not find out about the 2016 election that's a w
thank you, david for helping me hide karen mcdougal. we didn't hear that at all, wh? of the crime were committed through the indictment with the statement of facts you would have expected each and every one of these witnesses to have bombshell type testimony linking donald trump directly to an idea of having a specific of mental intent of interfering with the election in an illegal fashion. but what we hear is what happened at ami through david pecker is perfectly normal activity for...
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stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. already it is taking a personal and professional toll with trump required to watch his own legal drama unfold from the defendant's chair. as the "washington post" puts it, "despite efforts to squall dinners with dough noers and friends and world leaders join him, trump's moods are worse on trial days." and remember, this is really just the beginning. an estimated two, four weeks left of this trial and a whole lot of other people still set to zest guy. joining us now, legal analyst glenn kirschner. and also gary has been in the overflow room in the courthouse. so what we are looking for this week? and is it possible if not this week then at some point we'll see stormy daniels and karen mcdougal? >> we're starting to content the dots of everything that we heard last week. the catch and kill scheme, talking about how the women's names were in the trump organization contact list. and then friday we just started to get an introduction into the banker gary farro who can provide the informat
stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. already it is taking a personal and professional toll with trump required to watch his own legal drama unfold from the defendant's chair. as the "washington post" puts it, "despite efforts to squall dinners with dough noers and friends and world leaders join him, trump's moods are worse on trial days." and remember, this is really just the beginning. an estimated two, four weeks left of this trial and a whole lot of other people still set...
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the day ended on the deal ami cut with playboy model karen mcdougal, who got $150,000 after pitching a story of her own. a year-long affair with trump, which she alleges and he denies. today, absolutely felt like a day to set up cohen's own testimony and to make the point which they did with exhibits on the big screens in the courtroom that what pecker is bringing to the table is not just stories about his favorite tabloid cover subject but also physical receipts. and it's only just the beginning, as the prosecution hasn't even gotten to the stormy daniels part of the story yet. joining me is neal katyal, former acting solicitor general and msnbc analyst. katie phang, trial attorney and host of the katie phang show right here on msnbc, who was at the courtroom with me today. and brian stelter, vanity fair special correspondent and author of the book of network lies. thank you all for being here. because you are at a disadvantage, our friend neal, i'm going to go to you first. what were you impressions today? >> first, i want to say katie's coverage of the trial live has been so spect
the day ended on the deal ami cut with playboy model karen mcdougal, who got $150,000 after pitching a story of her own. a year-long affair with trump, which she alleges and he denies. today, absolutely felt like a day to set up cohen's own testimony and to make the point which they did with exhibits on the big screens in the courtroom that what pecker is bringing to the table is not just stories about his favorite tabloid cover subject but also physical receipts. and it's only just the...
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mcdougall, no de stormy daniels, a quien le pago directamente michael cohen, a karen mcdougal, le pago la r revista the national enquirer 150 mil dolares. >> a stormy daniels le pago m michael cohen 130 mil. >> asi las cosas, vamos a ver que sucede si ya le dan oportunidad a la defensa de que interrogue justamente a david pecker, es lo que le preguntan, que es lo que le cuestionan justamente a este hombre, amigo de donald trump. >> rogelio, y hoy si, todo el dia dura el juicio, a diferencia de otros dias, ¿no? >> exactamente, hoy va a te terminar a las 4 de la tarde, tiempo del este, en las otras ocasiones, el martes termino a las 2, el lunes 12 y media, pero si, hoy es jornada completa, igual que manana, octavio. >> perfecto, rogelio, muchas gracias por por esa informacion, seguimos al pendiente cuando salga el ex de este corte mientras tanto, la fiscal del estado de arizona anuncio cargos contra 18 republicanos que participaron en un intento de revertir la eleccion presidencial del 2020 a favor del expresidente donald trump. >> entre los acusados estan mark meadows, ex jefe de despa
mcdougall, no de stormy daniels, a quien le pago directamente michael cohen, a karen mcdougal, le pago la r revista the national enquirer 150 mil dolares. >> a stormy daniels le pago m michael cohen 130 mil. >> asi las cosas, vamos a ver que sucede si ya le dan oportunidad a la defensa de que interrogue justamente a david pecker, es lo que le preguntan, que es lo que le cuestionan justamente a este hombre, amigo de donald trump. >> rogelio, y hoy si, todo el dia dura el...
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david pecker is expected to layout today now nation"nationa enquirer" paid karen mcdougal. pecker refused to pay stormy daniels for her claims. if the former president is found guilty of contempt of court, he faces fine of $1000 for each infraction. prosecutors have 11 infractions, that could be a fine of 11 million. >> brian: president will say do you want it in tens or twenties. >> ainsley: i'll take 11,000. >> brian: thanks, eric. >> to washington, dave spunt is outside the supreme court for trump's presidential immunity case. >> we expect them to go two hours, huge day with high stakes for any future president, it will stand for decades. justices will ask questions having this go likely past noon today. donald trump was charged by jack smith with trying to overturn the 2020 election. he says -- donald trump says the alleged acts happened while he was still president and should not be charged. jack smith says it happened after he was president. here is what the former president said an hour and a half ago. >> we have a big case today on presidential immunity. a president
david pecker is expected to layout today now nation"nationa enquirer" paid karen mcdougal. pecker refused to pay stormy daniels for her claims. if the former president is found guilty of contempt of court, he faces fine of $1000 for each infraction. prosecutors have 11 infractions, that could be a fine of 11 million. >> brian: president will say do you want it in tens or twenties. >> ainsley: i'll take 11,000. >> brian: thanks, eric. >> to washington, dave...
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mcdougall and stormy daniels the karen mcdougall information includes addresses old addresses phone numbers the stormy daniels contact that former president trump had was just her phone number so all of this is unfolding just now and prior to that david packer on the stand where lawyers for president trump had it one more opportunity to ask him any questions they asked him about a conciliation agreement between american media and the federal election commission the he said he did not thank you was doing anything wrong in 2016 but he did say earlier today that he thinks he violated federal election law in his handling of the karen mcdougall story packer also asked if he thinks trump cares about his family and pecker said yes which is notable because remember yesterday he said he never spoke to trump about his family in handling the stories and that he believed the motivation was campaign related prior to that line of questioning the da office at another opportunity to question him, joshua stein glass and pecker said no, he has told the truth to the best of his ability he went through
mcdougall and stormy daniels the karen mcdougall information includes addresses old addresses phone numbers the stormy daniels contact that former president trump had was just her phone number so all of this is unfolding just now and prior to that david packer on the stand where lawyers for president trump had it one more opportunity to ask him any questions they asked him about a conciliation agreement between american media and the federal election commission the he said he did not thank you...
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the former attorney for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal is on the witness stand in manhattan. he's been on the stand for much of today. keith davidson negotiated the alleged hush money agreements for both women back in 2016. and while his tone on the stand today is not exactly colorful, the evidence jurors are seeing, specifically the text messages between davidson and dylan howard, those text messages are colorful. did he cheat on melania, howard asked davidson in a june 2016 text message, referring to karen mcdougal. do you know if the affair was during his marriage to melania, another text from howard a few days later. i really can't say yet, sorry. davidson reply. the prosecution asked him if he said that because he didn't know or because he wasn't ready to discuss the details yet. he said it was because i was not prepared to discuss the details at that point. a few weeks later, dylan tells davidson, quote, get me a price on mcdougal. all in. consulting gig programs as a fitness expert thrown into the mix. as davidson said karen mcdougal was torn between a deal with ami or
the former attorney for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal is on the witness stand in manhattan. he's been on the stand for much of today. keith davidson negotiated the alleged hush money agreements for both women back in 2016. and while his tone on the stand today is not exactly colorful, the evidence jurors are seeing, specifically the text messages between davidson and dylan howard, those text messages are colorful. did he cheat on melania, howard asked davidson in a june 2016 text message,...
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so when he is back on this in on thursday, he will then begin to describe the karen mcdougal deal we got just the beginning of this today where they learned about her allegation of a romantic relationship with trump, and they're figuring out what to do with it. when he left us 20 today was that he was being called frequently by a by michael cohen who wanted to know where things stood. so that will pick up on thursday, understanding how this deal ended up being one of these caching kills were ami paid $150,000 start to go away and then shifting into the stormy daniels payment that is at the heart of this case. and what that transfer and how am i found out about it and how it ultimately led to michael cohen being the one to pay the $130,000 that then prosecutor peter say trump reimbursed in width so that we'll get to the key elements of this case when pecker is back on the stand on thursday. >> all right. kara scannell outside the courthouse in manhattan. thanks so much for joining us. sounded discuss is jeremy saland, a former prosecutor with manhattan district attorney, as well as tr
so when he is back on this in on thursday, he will then begin to describe the karen mcdougal deal we got just the beginning of this today where they learned about her allegation of a romantic relationship with trump, and they're figuring out what to do with it. when he left us 20 today was that he was being called frequently by a by michael cohen who wanted to know where things stood. so that will pick up on thursday, understanding how this deal ended up being one of these caching kills were...
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they're talking about potential testimony from karen mcdougal. they say they're not going to get into the salacious details of what happened between donald trump and karen mcdougal, but they want to establish that donald trump had a one year long relationship with karen mcdougal while melania trump was pregnant with their child. they're going to talk about dino sajudan who was a doorman and his testimony as to what he saw during that time. they're also talking about the admission of tweets that were sent out by donald trump while michael cohen was under investigation, the admission of those tweets as well. so there's a lot of back and forth going on between both steinglass who is the attorney for the prosecution, todd blanche, the attorney for donald trump along with judge juan merchan. we're watching what's happening in the courtroom right now, and again, merchan usually is kind of weighing in as to what is admissible and what is not admissible after all of the evidence is laid out. one more thing that i do want to talk about, which is the acces
they're talking about potential testimony from karen mcdougal. they say they're not going to get into the salacious details of what happened between donald trump and karen mcdougal, but they want to establish that donald trump had a one year long relationship with karen mcdougal while melania trump was pregnant with their child. they're going to talk about dino sajudan who was a doorman and his testimony as to what he saw during that time. they're also talking about the admission of tweets that...
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the white house and asked, how is our girl and made sure karen mcdougal was doing okay. they are trying to show election conspiracy here and donald trump and david pecker and michael cohen were part of it. president trump's lawyer will try to dismantle that when cross-examination begins this morning. back to you. >> brian: here is the thing, go out of your way to say whatever you think of that story, not illegal. this is not a violation, not a misdemeanor, it is not a felony. not illegal. you may not like it, that is what is going on. up to defense to say, they took a day and and a halfful your time and told you about stuff that might be good for page six of new"new york post." >> lawrence: david pecker said he assumed donald trump knew. did not know, assumed. >> ainsley: down the road, president biden will be in new york city, close to fox, not far from the anti-israel protest at columbia university among other schools in new york. >> brian: "new york times" is blasting joe biden for dodging questions about independent jou journalists. >> peter doocy is live at the cour
the white house and asked, how is our girl and made sure karen mcdougal was doing okay. they are trying to show election conspiracy here and donald trump and david pecker and michael cohen were part of it. president trump's lawyer will try to dismantle that when cross-examination begins this morning. back to you. >> brian: here is the thing, go out of your way to say whatever you think of that story, not illegal. this is not a violation, not a misdemeanor, it is not a felony. not illegal....
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pecker, that your purpose in lob -- locking up the karen mcdougal story is to influence the election? that's trying to bring it back to the connection to the elections since during cross-examination he was certainly acknowledging he had a longstanding relationship with the tabloid and that there were years and years before the campaign when they were both promoting trump's interests and covering up embarrassing stories. >> the prosecution has to do everything that he can to bring it back to -- it makes this case a felony, that donald trump conspired to promote his election by unlawful means. if they allow the defense to create reasonable doubt in that one juror, this was business as usual, this is what donald trump did with pecker, even before the election, this is what they do, where is the illegalness in this? the prosecution -- this is the first witness. we have a long way to go. in their summation, the prosecutors have to connect all the dots and explain to this jury why they have proven that donald trump concealed a crime when he falsified the business records. if they don't prov
pecker, that your purpose in lob -- locking up the karen mcdougal story is to influence the election? that's trying to bring it back to the connection to the elections since during cross-examination he was certainly acknowledging he had a longstanding relationship with the tabloid and that there were years and years before the campaign when they were both promoting trump's interests and covering up embarrassing stories. >> the prosecution has to do everything that he can to bring it back...
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she also had contact information for karen mcdougal, the former "playboy" model who had an affair with trump. she typed in two addresses, a cell phone number and e-mail address. trump denies that affair, too, but former "national enquirer" public er publisher, david pecker, has testified that at trump's direction, his tabloid bought mcdougal's story but never ran it to protect trump's campaign. and after the election, pecker told the jury trump thanked him. on cross examination, trump's lawyer, susan necheles, suggested stormy daniels visited trump tower because she was being considered for a role on the apprentice. graff said there was office chatter about that, adding "i vaguely recall hearing trump say that daniels may be one of the interesting people who could be on the show." but no ambiguity on one point, when trump's lawyer asked graff if she wanted to be there in court, her one word answer, "no." and as she left the stand, donald trump rose up out of his chair to greet her, whispering some words and extending his hand. >> reporter: the first week of testimony ended with a bante
she also had contact information for karen mcdougal, the former "playboy" model who had an affair with trump. she typed in two addresses, a cell phone number and e-mail address. trump denies that affair, too, but former "national enquirer" public er publisher, david pecker, has testified that at trump's direction, his tabloid bought mcdougal's story but never ran it to protect trump's campaign. and after the election, pecker told the jury trump thanked him. on cross...
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pecker was that your purpose and locking up the karen mcdougal story to influence the election. this is laura's point about repetition. again he says pecker says, yes. so cyclists, if i understand you correctly, running stories that praise mr. trump appealed to your readership. packers says yes, they did what they were doing here was suppressing these stories that appeal to the rigueur ship in a way that later on in this, he does say this was actually against our interest because we could have made a ton of money on this story but chose not to because it was in our interest to help out donald. >> how does that play marcus? >> well, i think it plays well, honestly, for the for the government's case, when we go to the reputation of, your going through these themes like instead of being the national enquirer where i'm going to post these trump stories. i'm going to keep it because i wanted to win the election and that's really important for proven up in the misdemeanor to the felony sayyed this false business records claims, and i don't know. i've heard a lot of commentators say th
pecker was that your purpose and locking up the karen mcdougal story to influence the election. this is laura's point about repetition. again he says pecker says, yes. so cyclists, if i understand you correctly, running stories that praise mr. trump appealed to your readership. packers says yes, they did what they were doing here was suppressing these stories that appeal to the rigueur ship in a way that later on in this, he does say this was actually against our interest because we could have...
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we paid $150,000 to karen mcdougal, and i am not a bank. he also said he no longer wanted to be reimbursed for that mcdougal payment. you get the sense that he realized what his own exposure was and perhaps raised a red flag? >> yeah, look. david pecker is testifying pursuant to an agreement he will not be prosecuted. what he has to offer up with that agreement is going to hold and protect him is truthful testimony. if he is caught lying, for instance, or had been caught on cross examination, then the deal would have been off and prosecutors could have gone after him. that was the dynamic here while he was on the stand, and prosecutors will be able to ask leigh not to the jury in a closing argument. you don't get to argue the law or point out to the jury the good points you are making when you have a witness on the stand. that all comes together in closing argument, and they certainly scored sums wrong point in terms of the elements of the crimes they need to establish and satisfy to the jury that they proved beyond a reasonable doubt durin
we paid $150,000 to karen mcdougal, and i am not a bank. he also said he no longer wanted to be reimbursed for that mcdougal payment. you get the sense that he realized what his own exposure was and perhaps raised a red flag? >> yeah, look. david pecker is testifying pursuant to an agreement he will not be prosecuted. what he has to offer up with that agreement is going to hold and protect him is truthful testimony. if he is caught lying, for instance, or had been caught on cross...
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. >> reporter: pecker also testified about an agreement with former "playboy" model karen mcdougal, who said she had a 10-month affair with trump, which he denies. pecker acknowledged ami, which then owned the "enquirer," paid $150,000 for her story just weeks before the election and never published it. >> if donald trump hadn't been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami, knowing what you know now? >> probably not, no. >> reporter: in his testimony, pecker said the payment orchestrated with michael cohen was done because they didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or hurt the campaign. pecker said he asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded, "the boss," meaning trump, "will take care of it." meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer, rudy giuliani, and chief of staff mark meadows, were among more than a dozen people indicted in a scheme in arizona to falsely declare trump as the 2020 winner. >> donald j. trump. >> reporter: trump, himself, was named as an un-indicted co-conspirator. pecker also made a
. >> reporter: pecker also testified about an agreement with former "playboy" model karen mcdougal, who said she had a 10-month affair with trump, which he denies. pecker acknowledged ami, which then owned the "enquirer," paid $150,000 for her story just weeks before the election and never published it. >> if donald trump hadn't been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami, knowing what you know now? >> probably not,...
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. >> reporter: pecker also testified about an agreement with former "playboy" model karen mcdougal, who says she had a ten month affair with trump, which he denies. pecker acknowledged to be 23, which then owned the "enquirer," paid $150,000 for her story jusn and never published it. >> donald trump had not been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami, knowing what you know now? >> probably not, no. >> reporter: in his testimony, pecker said the payment orchestrator of michael cohen was dumb because they didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or hurt the campaign. pecker said he asked to asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded the boss, meaning trump, will take care of it. meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer rudy giuliani and chief of staff mark meadows were among more than a dozen people indicted in a scheme in arizona to falsely declare trump >> donald j. trump. >> reporter: trump himself was named as an unindicted coconspirator. pecker also made a stunning new allegation that has never been he
. >> reporter: pecker also testified about an agreement with former "playboy" model karen mcdougal, who says she had a ten month affair with trump, which he denies. pecker acknowledged to be 23, which then owned the "enquirer," paid $150,000 for her story jusn and never published it. >> donald trump had not been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami, knowing what you know now? >> probably not, no. >> reporter:...
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it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about. and he just keeps going. i don't know what are we getting. cohen says, leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry i'm handling that's the crop that that would be what i would argue and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much, but i won't concede this, right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with credible arguably, but at some point the notion. so i was involved in the scheme to make an illegal campaign donation and i was involved in this scheme to sort of pay off michael cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. now, arguably that is the defense that is their best defense. but at some point, if he's involved in all the other parts of this scheme, i think it's reasonable to say, well, maybe he was in involved in this part of it was checking to make sure that the payment was made in cash. >> that does point to a level of of
it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about. and he just keeps going. i don't know what are we getting. cohen says, leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry i'm handling that's the crop that that would be what i would argue and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much, but i won't concede this, right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with credible...
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we also don't talk about karen mcdougal. she got hush money payments as well. trump never attacked her credibility in public. these payments were made and the crux of this case is the fact that once they were made that the false business records was the crime and those are the documents. they don't lie and the money changing hands doesn't lie and so trump can complain all he wants but he can't fight the documents and the documents speak the truth. >> what about stormi daniels? what does she bring and can her colorful past become an issue? >> i think its tricky to impeach her than it is for the trump team to try to impeach michael cohen. she was at the center of this. she was the one who said -- who had the alleged affair and so she is at the center of the facts. i think that the more interesting people is less the central figures like michael cohen and stormi but people like david if you go back and think about relationships, especially the cast of characters in this case someone like david is fascinating. he was friends with trump for a long time. that friends
we also don't talk about karen mcdougal. she got hush money payments as well. trump never attacked her credibility in public. these payments were made and the crux of this case is the fact that once they were made that the false business records was the crime and those are the documents. they don't lie and the money changing hands doesn't lie and so trump can complain all he wants but he can't fight the documents and the documents speak the truth. >> what about stormi daniels? what does...
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i just -- as they were talking with keith davidson who is an attorney who represented both karen mcdougal and stormy daniels primitive talking about how deals came together for karen mcdougal with ami the publisher of the national enquirer and it turns out she has made states -- treatment publicly she didn't really want to go out there and tell her story about trump that she had "loved him, that she voted for empirical all of these things and request -- as a way to "relaunch her career." there would be magazine articles and coverage that would allegedly part of part of this but my brother writes her story and the language was essentially that they had the rights to any romantic or physical relationship that she had had with a married man and he's davidson on the stand has testified that he understood that to be donald trump. know he's just a talk about how stormy daniels was a client of his and how it came to be that there were conversations about information leaking out, a blog post that connected her to some kind of physical relationship or allegation of one with president trump and nah
i just -- as they were talking with keith davidson who is an attorney who represented both karen mcdougal and stormy daniels primitive talking about how deals came together for karen mcdougal with ami the publisher of the national enquirer and it turns out she has made states -- treatment publicly she didn't really want to go out there and tell her story about trump that she had "loved him, that she voted for empirical all of these things and request -- as a way to "relaunch her...
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we have michael cohen, stormy daniels, karen mcdougal and hope hicks. also, unwavering support from a staunch political ally for tron. >> if he is convicted you will still support him and vote for him? >> absolutely. i think what is going on with donald trump's weaponization of the law. he's being prosecuted in manhattan, one of the deepest blue cities in the country. >> we have reported as an analyst in place covering all these new developments. jake, where will things pick up when the trial starts again on tuesday? >> tuesday is going to kick off the third week of this criminal hussman trial for former president donald trump. this is the first time we are going to see this tight rope walk. the first time he's going to have a rally since he started this trial. it is going to be an otter week ink terms of -- in terms of corn in session. on wednesday he will head to michigan and also wisconsin. these are states trump won in 2016 and then lost about it in 2020. they will be pivotal states for both trump and biden to get electoral victory come this novembe
we have michael cohen, stormy daniels, karen mcdougal and hope hicks. also, unwavering support from a staunch political ally for tron. >> if he is convicted you will still support him and vote for him? >> absolutely. i think what is going on with donald trump's weaponization of the law. he's being prosecuted in manhattan, one of the deepest blue cities in the country. >> we have reported as an analyst in place covering all these new developments. jake, where will things pick...
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women and more women like me matter. >> reporter: cohen paid $130,000 to stormy daniels and karen mcdougal got $150,000 from the "national enquirer," a deal trump's fixer cohen said he orchestrated himself on behalf of donald trump and the trump organization. donald trump and the organization deny those allegations. >> do you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> reporter: manhattan district attorney cy vance began investigating those payments. he eventually subpoenaed eight years of trump's tax returns. the fight went all the way to the supreme court before cy vance got the documents in 2021. the manhattan district attorney now is in possession of former president donald trump's tax returns. >> reporter: they turned their attention to allen weisselberg. >> this guy is the ultimate service provider. he has been working for the trump family for decades. if you crack the service providers, you can crack the case. >> reporter: and when weisselberg refused to testify against the former president, prosecutors announced charges against the trump organization and the cfo. they bot
women and more women like me matter. >> reporter: cohen paid $130,000 to stormy daniels and karen mcdougal got $150,000 from the "national enquirer," a deal trump's fixer cohen said he orchestrated himself on behalf of donald trump and the trump organization. donald trump and the organization deny those allegations. >> do you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> reporter: manhattan district attorney cy vance began investigating those payments. he...
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pecker, wasn't the portion of the agreement that you had with karen mcdougal that had services attached to it because he was a celebrity in her own right. pecker wouldn't have it, it had value to her, but to us, not really. >> and if you are the prosecution, catherine, who do you call after gary farro? >> well, they have not let us know because donald trump probably intimidating them, but i would call another person to corroborate michael cohen and i would not leave him for last. i would not want the jury left with him. >> the first and the last impression. >> i would not call him next or last, but i would have another corroboration witness for michael cohen in piecing everything together. >> all right. thank you, both. i appreciate your analysis and reporting. this morning we are tracking a deadly outbreak of tornados. dozens of twisters are ripping through the midwest, and we will have a look of the devastation and a new look of the extreme weather today. >>> plus, don and ron's detente. a new detail of how the former president and florida's governor are looking to bury the hatchet. >
pecker, wasn't the portion of the agreement that you had with karen mcdougal that had services attached to it because he was a celebrity in her own right. pecker wouldn't have it, it had value to her, but to us, not really. >> and if you are the prosecution, catherine, who do you call after gary farro? >> well, they have not let us know because donald trump probably intimidating them, but i would call another person to corroborate michael cohen and i would not leave him for last. i...
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the call took place soon after former playboy model karen mcdougal gave an interview to cnn. pecker told the two ladies he planned to extend an agreement with mcdougle that would keep her from speaking more widely about her alleged affair with the former president. pecker said sanders and hicks, quote, thought it was a good idea. joining us now, former litigator and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. >> it is interesting. the argument that the defense was making really fell flat when they suggested that pecker was doing this for profit, all of this for profit. in fact, if he had run the mcdougle/trump story, it probably would have broken records. but he decided to sit on it because, as he said throughout his testimony, he wanted to help donald trump, his friend, get elected president. >> that's true. joe, it was underscored by the fact that in much of his testimony, david pecker's bottom line was clear as the primary motivating factor for him. but as joshua steinglass, representative for the d.a., established on redirect, yes, it was to his benefit to run positive stories
the call took place soon after former playboy model karen mcdougal gave an interview to cnn. pecker told the two ladies he planned to extend an agreement with mcdougle that would keep her from speaking more widely about her alleged affair with the former president. pecker said sanders and hicks, quote, thought it was a good idea. joining us now, former litigator and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. >> it is interesting. the argument that the defense was making really fell flat when...
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i mean, is it likely stormy daniels would be called as a likely karen mcdougal would be cool, i think, yes. >> on both probably, i think because they're necessarily helpful. let's say not not necessarily necessary, but helpful to the prosecution in sort of playing out but this case and showing the jury who the human beings, we're here. but the thing to keep in mind, i'm really looking for how is the defense can cross examine them because neither of them has testimony that goes to the heart of the crime, the heart of the crime has jeff was saying before, it's not the alleged affairs, it's not it's the hush money it's not the national enquirer, it's the way that those financial transactions were structured and accounted for. and an effective cross of stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, both of whom, i mean, you've met anderson, i think seem likable and personable enough and effective cross would just be to go, you don't have the first idea how these payments to you. were accounted for in the bucks. do you? so now when you go that's it. fine, but that's that would be an effective cross. i
i mean, is it likely stormy daniels would be called as a likely karen mcdougal would be cool, i think, yes. >> on both probably, i think because they're necessarily helpful. let's say not not necessarily necessary, but helpful to the prosecution in sort of playing out but this case and showing the jury who the human beings, we're here. but the thing to keep in mind, i'm really looking for how is the defense can cross examine them because neither of them has testimony that goes to the...
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donald trump is asking a lot about karen mcdougal, this former playboy playmate. what impression does that leave the jury? >> well, sort of no using a worn-out analogy of the godfather here. if you think about the godfather sitting back and just sort of asking these benign questions, showing some interest in what's going on without maybe given the command to do the bad de or to continue to say well out of thinking about this, and this has been a very good idea. you've had there without actually giving the affirmative statement to go do something that's sort of what we're seeing. and i think that's going to be the argument the prosecution has to make you because there is no question michael cohen is the man in the middle doing the work. i mean, he's out there talking to david pecker and doing checks and running accounts. and i mean, that's his thing. and so he's gonna have his own problems on cross, but this, this effort by the prosecution makes a lot of sense to me whether it's successful, we'll see, but they have to tie trump for this. yeah, we can talk about tha
donald trump is asking a lot about karen mcdougal, this former playboy playmate. what impression does that leave the jury? >> well, sort of no using a worn-out analogy of the godfather here. if you think about the godfather sitting back and just sort of asking these benign questions, showing some interest in what's going on without maybe given the command to do the bad de or to continue to say well out of thinking about this, and this has been a very good idea. you've had there without...
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the judge also ruled that karen mcdougal, who also received hush one for her alleged affair with former president trump ahead of the 2016 election. she can testify and also that evidence about other stories about trump's a that were amplified by the national enquirer can be included. now, those two things are significant because they help the district attorney's argument that all of this the hush money payment stormy daniels at these other payments to other mistresses. and then stories that would be helpful to trump, but they were negative about his opponents that all of this was part of an effort to interfere in the 2016 election. but the trump team also had some wins, for example, the judge will not allow into the infamous access hollywood tape. you will not allow in portions of it the deposition from the e jean carroll's civil litigation where this tape was discussed and he also said that three accounts of sexual assault by former president trump that surfaced after the access hollywood tape >> those will >> also not be allowed in. so again, these are all pretty minor evidentiary iss
the judge also ruled that karen mcdougal, who also received hush one for her alleged affair with former president trump ahead of the 2016 election. she can testify and also that evidence about other stories about trump's a that were amplified by the national enquirer can be included. now, those two things are significant because they help the district attorney's argument that all of this the hush money payment stormy daniels at these other payments to other mistresses. and then stories that...
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mcdougal google's silence being bought for $150,000. that would have been and i forget if i don't know if it was the prosecution or mr. packer, but tabloid gold was the term that was used because people who read the national enquirer would have bought a lot of copies of it to read the story about donald j. trump, and 1998 play of the year pecker was the first witness on the stand for four days what do you know having researched this so much for your book and for the article about karen mcdougal, what do you know about david pecker and his relationship with donald trump that the jury did not here well, one thing is that it was a wider, deeper relationship than is being admitted into this case. there was a safe that contained a lot of materials about trump those materials moved locations several times over the course of disk becoming an electoral issue. there was a list that i was shown by a senior ami source of trump's stories, not all of them terribly consequential. some of them were his feud with rosie o'donnell, but some of them were
mcdougal google's silence being bought for $150,000. that would have been and i forget if i don't know if it was the prosecution or mr. packer, but tabloid gold was the term that was used because people who read the national enquirer would have bought a lot of copies of it to read the story about donald j. trump, and 1998 play of the year pecker was the first witness on the stand for four days what do you know having researched this so much for your book and for the article about karen...
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first with stormy daniels and later with karen mcdougal who herself was paid by the national enquirer. they are using david pecker to set the stage. we have scratched the surface with his beginning testimony that will continue tomorrow. host: tell us about what we heard from the defense in the opening arguments. reporter: the defense's role today in their opening statement was to sow doubt through the prosecution's case because the burden of proof is on the prosecution. and todd blanche, donald trump's lawyer was mocking several elements of their case saying there is nothing illegal about influencing an election, it is called democracy, he said. he also said the catch and skill -- catch and kill scheme, nothing wrong with that either. he put distance between trump and falsifying records. saying he was so far up in the organization that he did not have his hand in the details. another key piece we will see is in trying to say that the prosecution's case is built on unreliable witnesses. for michael cohen, they painted him as someone that has a vendetta against donald trump wanting to s
first with stormy daniels and later with karen mcdougal who herself was paid by the national enquirer. they are using david pecker to set the stage. we have scratched the surface with his beginning testimony that will continue tomorrow. host: tell us about what we heard from the defense in the opening arguments. reporter: the defense's role today in their opening statement was to sow doubt through the prosecution's case because the burden of proof is on the prosecution. and todd blanche, donald...
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presumably losing on the gag order to then going into testimony about karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. and i think to this point, the first two days of this trial, he is not really reacted to win the jury is is there we'll see if that changes as the trial moves forward. >> is there a risk for trump that david pecker does in any of these questionings come out and reveal new information about trump's personal life that would be very damaging i think it's more that david pecker could reveal that to the public and trump is running a presidential campaign. i think he would have patrick probably told the prosecutors at this point, everything he knows for them to now come up with new information. don't see that happening in the trial context, but he might know so much information about trump's life over multiple years. that is not necessarily related to this particular scheme or the 2016 election, but much more broadly, but that would be objectionable, right? obviously new things start to be revealed that a damaging to trump that are not on-point are relevant to the case. so defense is going
presumably losing on the gag order to then going into testimony about karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. and i think to this point, the first two days of this trial, he is not really reacted to win the jury is is there we'll see if that changes as the trial moves forward. >> is there a risk for trump that david pecker does in any of these questionings come out and reveal new information about trump's personal life that would be very damaging i think it's more that david pecker could...
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karen mcdougal, who donald trump allegedly had a relationship with some of the testimony about that allege relationship will be part of this. what impact might that have scott on, say women voters in this election >> i mean, are we are you telling me we're about to find out that donald trump had sex with women who aren't his wife. i mean, are we all going to be shocked by this? i mean, there's nothing that's the thing about all this. there's really nothing you can tell the voter the average voter in america, something they don't already know about donald trump, what they may not know yet and what they won't know until this is over width is whether he's going to be convicted of a crime over it or what happens to him? this summer. but in terms of personal behavior, in terms of who he is people know this already and so that's why i don't expect massive flows in his overall image. because there's not a darn thing that's going to be said in my opinion, that's going to change what people already believe, whether you love him or hate him about donald trump supercar. is that right? all asked and a
karen mcdougal, who donald trump allegedly had a relationship with some of the testimony about that allege relationship will be part of this. what impact might that have scott on, say women voters in this election >> i mean, are we are you telling me we're about to find out that donald trump had sex with women who aren't his wife. i mean, are we all going to be shocked by this? i mean, there's nothing that's the thing about all this. there's really nothing you can tell the voter the...