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cohen, we all talk about how michael cohen is the centre of this case but the assumption was that no one in their right mind would put all their money on michael cohen for anything but when you look at these questions some of the information they are eliciting it really does look like the prosecution is putting everything on cohen and they seem to be laying the foundation and he supposed to be the one to deliver the coup de grace i just don't see how he can do that. >> we haven't heard from you just yet fail, what has struck you so far and as far as witnesses this would be the third witness that has been called up so far we know there is still a lot of star witnesses we have not yet seen and heard from yet. >> it's great to be with you again as always listen this has all been i think windowdressing so far i haven't seen anything that points to a scintilla of a crime here ordinarily i would say if this was a typical trial where you had a fair judge and you had a fair and unbiased a jury and a fair jury pool to pull that jury from i would say that the trial would be collapsing under it
cohen, we all talk about how michael cohen is the centre of this case but the assumption was that no one in their right mind would put all their money on michael cohen for anything but when you look at these questions some of the information they are eliciting it really does look like the prosecution is putting everything on cohen and they seem to be laying the foundation and he supposed to be the one to deliver the coup de grace i just don't see how he can do that. >> we haven't heard...
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it was michael cohen. right? the reason you have these falsified business records allegedly is because he wanted to have some invoice. you wanted to have some way of getting his money back, having paints or made, daniel's that's where you had the allegations of invoices for a false retainer and false legal services provided. so this is all part of the overall context to shou. this has happened before. someone else has gotten nancy this time it was cohen and this is what happen when you did not pay back and you falsified so it is i mean, we've heard the argument being made by some people that on the politics of this dana bash this is not going to have an impact. >> you have both democrats who are convinced of donald trump's invincibility and republicans who are convinced that this is all going to be seen as a partisan and which aren't thinking this is not going to have an effect, but there are also those who say reminding people of all this lurid behavior is not going to be positive for donald trump one way or the
it was michael cohen. right? the reason you have these falsified business records allegedly is because he wanted to have some invoice. you wanted to have some way of getting his money back, having paints or made, daniel's that's where you had the allegations of invoices for a false retainer and false legal services provided. so this is all part of the overall context to shou. this has happened before. someone else has gotten nancy this time it was cohen and this is what happen when you did not...
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they are hoping michael cohen will flip. i don't see michael doing that. sleep well tonight the, you have friends in high places. and they say michael cohen began to distance himself and he says the defendant switched gears and said if anyone is looking for a good lawyer, i strongly suggest you do not obtain the services of michael cohen. made up stories. steinglass goes on to say you should not prevent the jury from hearing these tweets now. this evidence now. and again, i just want to reiterate, right, we are 90 minutes into this thing, about an hour and 40 minutes at this point. we started half an hour late. this is supposed to be about jury selection. they are still going over what evidence here is admissible, guys. >> yasmin, what's going on with the gag order? >> so what i'm hearing when it comes to the gag order -- and i'm just looking through this -- go ahead, what are you seeing? so my producer andy just passed me something, prosecutor joshua steinglass is now going after trump's recent attacks on potential witnesses suggesting that trump violated
they are hoping michael cohen will flip. i don't see michael doing that. sleep well tonight the, you have friends in high places. and they say michael cohen began to distance himself and he says the defendant switched gears and said if anyone is looking for a good lawyer, i strongly suggest you do not obtain the services of michael cohen. made up stories. steinglass goes on to say you should not prevent the jury from hearing these tweets now. this evidence now. and again, i just want to...
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he is completely likable as a witness and also michael cohen. he is not punching back in the same way. he has so many deliverables for this prosecution. >> susanne, on that note about him not being michael cohen, david pecker is someone who talked about idolizing and respecting donald trump to this day. he was someone when they were sitting around, it wasn't just these cases and what we are talking about, he was also writing stories and putting them in the national enquirer about trump's rivals. he seems to be a much better witness than michael cohen who has already been and gone to jail for lying. talk a little bit about that. >> i think it is important that people know that david pecker is a principle here. he was talking to donald trump and another principle . michael cohen is a lawyer that was going out and executing what donald trump wanted. donna trump's lawyers i think will make michael cohen out to be a rope actor but what you saw with david pecker was a principle ahead of the national enquirer talking to his friend donald trump about pl
he is completely likable as a witness and also michael cohen. he is not punching back in the same way. he has so many deliverables for this prosecution. >> susanne, on that note about him not being michael cohen, david pecker is someone who talked about idolizing and respecting donald trump to this day. he was someone when they were sitting around, it wasn't just these cases and what we are talking about, he was also writing stories and putting them in the national enquirer about trump's...
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michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved notifying mr. cohen about negativetories about women, what was the objective of that. david pecker, as i did in the past, when i notified michael cohen of a negative story, he would try to vet it himself to see if it is true or not and then go to the individual publication to make sure it wasn't getting published an getting killed. brag team, prior to that meeting have you ever purchased atory to the to print it? pecker, no. brag team. and how did that part of it, not publishing the stories help you? pecker, it didn't. crazy. >> fake f
michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved...
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she is a loyalist and here she is, taking the stand to cooperate michael cohen? that would be must-see tv if only they had cameras in the courtroom. >> you put that vision in my mind. i do not want to picture that. last words, perry. who are you most interested in seeing and why? >> michael cohen, just because -- he is at the center of this, but we also know what will be interesting is this is -- you will see fireworks from president donald 's team as they cross-examine michael cohen and try to really take away his credibility in the eyes of the jury. from both sides on that one, it will be an interesting one and important one to watch >> a great chat. i would love to see you here again soon. thank you. >>> their lives changed in an instant. the damage left behind for more than 100 tornadoes that touched down this weekend. we are back in 60 seconds. seco. >>> more breaking news. college student standing call is that -- solidarity vowing to give up their protest on campus is across the country. this as jewish leaders and some lawmakers demand president joe biden t
she is a loyalist and here she is, taking the stand to cooperate michael cohen? that would be must-see tv if only they had cameras in the courtroom. >> you put that vision in my mind. i do not want to picture that. last words, perry. who are you most interested in seeing and why? >> michael cohen, just because -- he is at the center of this, but we also know what will be interesting is this is -- you will see fireworks from president donald 's team as they cross-examine michael...
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it wasn't michael cohen. it wasn't stormy daniels. it was david pecker. there must be a reason for that. they have faith in him. we'll see if he delivers today. >> he's also somebody notably that trump hasn't been attacking on social media when they're arguing this gag order and whether he violated it. the other key thing that we know of is what david pecker knew, what he was involved in, and we spoke with msnbc spoke with the former executive editor of "the national enquirer," who worked with pecker, he was on with nicolle wallace yesterday. take a listen. >> august 2015, two months after donald trump goes down the escalator where they had this meeting, michael cohen and it is trump and it is david pecker and where pecker says he'll be the eyes and ears of the campaign. the organization i used to work for will purchase negative stories off the market and will run negative stories about your rivals. david pecker can really act as a tour guide for the jury. >> kristen, he takes us back to 2015, before trump was president, during the campaign. how important
it wasn't michael cohen. it wasn't stormy daniels. it was david pecker. there must be a reason for that. they have faith in him. we'll see if he delivers today. >> he's also somebody notably that trump hasn't been attacking on social media when they're arguing this gag order and whether he violated it. the other key thing that we know of is what david pecker knew, what he was involved in, and we spoke with msnbc spoke with the former executive editor of "the national enquirer,"...
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says and point to what michael cohen says so what what he says has greater credibility than michael cohen himself. >> ankush khardori, let's talk about the order of all of this. the prosecution starts with the blockbuster witness, david pecker. now they are moving into the nitty-gritty. what kind of strategy goes into the sequence here? >> i think it is largely chronological, so far, as i can see it. they are just trying to lay out, tell the story in a simple chronological fashion, the best way to tell a story often is chronologically. but, i think that is what is happening here. i expect at some point, perhaps even next week, they are going to need to start to move into, okay, how are these records, how are these payments booked internally within the trump organization. maybe next week or the following week, at some point, the trial needs to get there. that is the meat and potatoes of the actual charges against trump. >> eugene, trump keeps complaining about the trial keeping him off the campaign trail and wednesday, when, you know, wednesday was his one day off from court this week, and
says and point to what michael cohen says so what what he says has greater credibility than michael cohen himself. >> ankush khardori, let's talk about the order of all of this. the prosecution starts with the blockbuster witness, david pecker. now they are moving into the nitty-gritty. what kind of strategy goes into the sequence here? >> i think it is largely chronological, so far, as i can see it. they are just trying to lay out, tell the story in a simple chronological fashion,...
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michael cohen didn't go to jail. how imperative is it to make it simple. >> always important to try to make the story as -- >> the defense has a very different job. this feels like a reasonable doubt defense. there isn't evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the president knew about these checks. they'll chip away at the credibility of the witnesses, cohen, first and foremost, daniels herself. so lisa is right, the facts of the checks being written and the reports, that that will go in uncontested. the key facts that will be in dispute is the person and knowledge. then the ultimate trump card, so to speak -- not to use a bad pun -- is nullification. the wildcare is a juror who says, i can following the instructions, i'm going to listen to the evidence, i'm going to make my decision based on the facts presented in court, that's what gets the juror qualified, but thinking ennor that and says i don't care if the facts meet the law, i'm not going to vote for convict, because and i have problem with the whole things. th
michael cohen didn't go to jail. how imperative is it to make it simple. >> always important to try to make the story as -- >> the defense has a very different job. this feels like a reasonable doubt defense. there isn't evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the president knew about these checks. they'll chip away at the credibility of the witnesses, cohen, first and foremost, daniels herself. so lisa is right, the facts of the checks being written and the reports, that that will...
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michael cohen and stormy daniels both have been public about how michael cohen page stormy done daniels for her silence. one that is in dispute. what trump has disputed since the story became public in 2018 was whether trump knew about it. whether ciampa knew at the time that his payments to michael cohen were in fact a reimbursement to michael cohen for fronting the hush money to stormy daniels.>> what trump knew about that reimbursement system and when he knew it will also be central to the case. which is what makes these less recognizable names also very interesting. jeffrey mccarney and madeline -- mccarney was the former controller for the trump organization. he would've had access and may be even needed to approve the payments to michael cohen. which we are all classified as payments for legal services. wester house was trump's oval office secretary cohen was being reimbursed by trump. because trump was doing all of this reimbursing while he was in the white house as the president she would've had a front row seat. and that is not even the whole potential witness list. joining me
michael cohen and stormy daniels both have been public about how michael cohen page stormy done daniels for her silence. one that is in dispute. what trump has disputed since the story became public in 2018 was whether trump knew about it. whether ciampa knew at the time that his payments to michael cohen were in fact a reimbursement to michael cohen for fronting the hush money to stormy daniels.>> what trump knew about that reimbursement system and when he knew it will also be central to...
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cohen or articles about michael cohen. michael cohen's new statement is, quote, the imposed fine is irrelevant. judge merchan's decision elucidates that this behavior will not be tolerated and no one is above the law. again, judge merchan finding donald trump violated nine of the ten alleged violations that were brought forward by the district attorney's office so far. and even suggested the potential jail time could be a potential consequence if donald trump were continue to violate the gag order placed on him. >> everyone watching at home, stay with us. everybody else, stay close, we'll keep an eye on that manhattan courthouse throughout this hour. we'll have more in just minutes, including another critical hearing set for thursday on more possible gag order violations after that judge's ruling today. >>> and when we're back in 60 seconds, the chaos at columbia. student protesters occupying a historic campus building, what they're demanding from their university leaders. >> these repulsive scare tactics mean nothing comp
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but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please shut up. please just do your testifying in the courtroom, but the prosecutor does not control michael cohen. i'm not sure anyone controls michael cohen. so he's not doing the prosecution that he favors in a way that makes his testimony even more credible. although we know at the same time, that he now des dispiezs trump. with regard to the testimony of cohen, they want to hit it and quit it. >> paul and danny, i don't know what the rest of the trial holds when they reconvene on thursday, but the start of this has been pretty dog gone interesting. thank you both. i'm sure we'll speak again very s
but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please...
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yeah, michael cohen has baggage. they told him to keep them keep an open mind and to look at some of the documents and other evidence that would corroborate cohen's testimony. no trump's team also took some hits at stormy daniels. she is also expected to testify in this case they said that hur testimony i'll salacious. it doesn't matter because she has nothing to do with how these records were allegedly falsified in treated on the books of the trump organization and donald trump's personal in a ledger. so trying to knock down what will be some of the key witness testimony in this case as they tried to defend president trump and get the jury to return a verdict of not guilty. jake tara, we also learn more today about how donald trump's defense attorneys are going to try to distance trump from this alleged crime. tell us more about that so trump's attorneys are saying that the former president was not involved with how these records were allegedly falsified. >> remember this is both the invoices we will cohen submitted
yeah, michael cohen has baggage. they told him to keep them keep an open mind and to look at some of the documents and other evidence that would corroborate cohen's testimony. no trump's team also took some hits at stormy daniels. she is also expected to testify in this case they said that hur testimony i'll salacious. it doesn't matter because she has nothing to do with how these records were allegedly falsified in treated on the books of the trump organization and donald trump's personal in a...
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corroborating michael cohen. you can believe michael cohen when he says that he took $130,000 line of credit and he created this llc and then he wired it to mr. davidson. why? because mr. pharaoh explained how and mr. davidson explained how. miss daniels explained how. it's very important to put all of these people to corroborate michael cohen. outline the conspiracy to promote donald trump's election by unlawful means which is what the prosecution theory is for that additional crime that would elevate the falsifying business records to a felony. he is very important. he negotiated with michael cohen. >> vaughn, going from what catherine mentioned, has there been any sightings of stormy daniels today outside of the courthouse? >> reporter: no, not at this point in time. we have received no word about stormy daniels being seen. she's been public about her documentary that was released on peacock just about a month ago here ahead of this trial. outside of that, she has had social media posts, but we have not seen h
corroborating michael cohen. you can believe michael cohen when he says that he took $130,000 line of credit and he created this llc and then he wired it to mr. davidson. why? because mr. pharaoh explained how and mr. davidson explained how. miss daniels explained how. it's very important to put all of these people to corroborate michael cohen. outline the conspiracy to promote donald trump's election by unlawful means which is what the prosecution theory is for that additional crime that would...
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michael cohen is a public figure. stormy daniels is a public figure, but these jurors are not public figures and private information is already leaking out about these people. and i think the judge quite properly is going to be very concerned about making sure these people can stay to the end. and not just throw their hands up and say, i'm not i'm not going to be part of this. sorry, everyone. >> thanks. karen mentioned, judge them or sean, we want to bring in johnny jones, the form the third, the former chief judge for the us middle district of pennsylvania, joe jones. appreciate you being back with us. what was your biggest takeaway from opening statements? >> well, it's interesting i think the opening statements we're not unexpected there's a lot that the prosecution didn't say and i'm curious about that i think they're kind of playing hide the ball, not inappropriately with some witnesses. i agree with your panelists and hope hicks this is going to be a very interesting and, maybe a pivotal witness to tie the form
michael cohen is a public figure. stormy daniels is a public figure, but these jurors are not public figures and private information is already leaking out about these people. and i think the judge quite properly is going to be very concerned about making sure these people can stay to the end. and not just throw their hands up and say, i'm not i'm not going to be part of this. sorry, everyone. >> thanks. karen mentioned, judge them or sean, we want to bring in johnny jones, the form the...
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right, if michael cohen -- if there's a defense witness that could undermine michael cohen's testimony, it's probably allen weisselberg, isn't it? >> it is. but i think michael cohen undermines michael cohen because he's rich with all sorts of material you can challenge him with, the things he says, his the intent, his motive, his change of story, his own convictions. if you recall at one point trump said you shouldn't be able to testify michael cohen because of your history and what you've found to misrepresent. that's not how the law works. you can cross examine him but can't preclude him. also the prosecution is not putting it solely on michael cohen's shoulders. it's not the michael cohen opportunity. it's beyond and more. >> you can see already from the list of witnesses this is not going to be just michael cohen although he'll certainly figure largely in it. it does seem just reading the tea leaves, donald trump does not want this trial to start, right? i think every single day this week and it's only wednesday, he has filed a request to stay the trial for some different reason e
right, if michael cohen -- if there's a defense witness that could undermine michael cohen's testimony, it's probably allen weisselberg, isn't it? >> it is. but i think michael cohen undermines michael cohen because he's rich with all sorts of material you can challenge him with, the things he says, his the intent, his motive, his change of story, his own convictions. if you recall at one point trump said you shouldn't be able to testify michael cohen because of your history and what...
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michael cohen a picture of better time times for donald trump and his attorney, michael cohen. he's a good man. he's a man who cares deeply about this country and a snapshot of bitter times now hey guys troubling, went to jail. >> this had nothing to do with me do native new yorkers met in 2006, go and bought a condo and the trump building. and by most accounts, they bonded quickly over their shared values and sharp elbows. >> soon cohen was handling real estate deals, helping run some companies. they say mr. trump's pitbull that in his um, his right-hand man when trump's campaign lit up co-insurance karpin does tie. you guys are down and it makes sense that there would most of them, all of them and trump return the favor, michael cohen is a very talented lawyer, is a good lawyer in my firm as claims of improper hush money emerged, trump initially included cohen and his denials of any wrongdoing, like with this crazy stormy daniels deal hey represented me and, you know, from what i see, he did absolutely nothing wrong when headlines warned that cohen might help prosecutors. >>
michael cohen a picture of better time times for donald trump and his attorney, michael cohen. he's a good man. he's a man who cares deeply about this country and a snapshot of bitter times now hey guys troubling, went to jail. >> this had nothing to do with me do native new yorkers met in 2006, go and bought a condo and the trump building. and by most accounts, they bonded quickly over their shared values and sharp elbows. >> soon cohen was handling real estate deals, helping run...
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michael cohen. from michael cohen, maybe it's not as salacious, but this is actually what the trial and the crime itself. >> it is michael cohen was contacting this bank because he they'd been having this discussion about ami and david pecker is the firewood owned the national enquirer? >> yes. they've been having the discussion on them making the payment to stormy daniels and essentially david pecker or didn't want anything to do it. he did not want to be in cahoots with a porn star making this payment to her. and it came to this point where michael cohen was trying to reach trump. he was under pressure to do this and finally said, i'm just going to do it myself and drew down a home equity line that's why this exchange happening right now pharaoh received another email two days later, please return michael cohen's call when you are available today regarding an important merit, a matter pharaoh calls cohen who told him he wanted to open a new llc account. >> cohen said the account was for capital re
michael cohen. from michael cohen, maybe it's not as salacious, but this is actually what the trial and the crime itself. >> it is michael cohen was contacting this bank because he they'd been having this discussion about ami and david pecker is the firewood owned the national enquirer? >> yes. they've been having the discussion on them making the payment to stormy daniels and essentially david pecker or didn't want anything to do it. he did not want to be in cahoots with a porn...
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michael cohen's name. he criticized him hey downplayed the legal work that michael cohen had done for the former president. and as you see there, the prosecutors are saying these violations were made with knowledge and beyond and willful beyond a reasonable doubt, which basically means trump knew this gag order was in place. he knew what the gag order limited him from saying, and he still willfully violated it. there presidentially right now, making their argument to this, judge before the defense has a chance to argue to him, but there was one moment as this got underway gym where trump's attorneys came into the room that prosecutors came into the room. judge, took the bench and then those attorneys and the judge went into a side room. it's not clear to us yet what they were discussing, but trump was sitting alone at the defense table while that was happening. they have now returned to the room and they are going through this essentially asking the judge to find a way to make trump's stop violating this g
michael cohen's name. he criticized him hey downplayed the legal work that michael cohen had done for the former president. and as you see there, the prosecutors are saying these violations were made with knowledge and beyond and willful beyond a reasonable doubt, which basically means trump knew this gag order was in place. he knew what the gag order limited him from saying, and he still willfully violated it. there presidentially right now, making their argument to this, judge before the...
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we may hear it from michael cohen in the future. so far all those claims have been hearsay and what we've heard from david pecker while he wanted to protect the president and michael cohen did, too, we haven't heard that those words were from the former president himself as it concerns the election. back to you. >> shannon: eric shawn at the courthouse. dana. want to bring in jonathan turley watching all of this. david pecker's cross examination continues today. what else should trump's team do to try to explain to the jury that this was not illegal? >> they are doing a good job largely allowing the case to collapse on its own weight. this case thus far is about a good a model as prosecution as the titanic is a good model for navigation. i don't understand why they would start with pecker. in my view he is disastrous. first of all, i'm speaking as a criminal defense attorney. what most good prosecutors, if they know the criminal defense attorney will bring up something damaging will bring it up themselves. the most damaging aspect o
we may hear it from michael cohen in the future. so far all those claims have been hearsay and what we've heard from david pecker while he wanted to protect the president and michael cohen did, too, we haven't heard that those words were from the former president himself as it concerns the election. back to you. >> shannon: eric shawn at the courthouse. dana. want to bring in jonathan turley watching all of this. david pecker's cross examination continues today. what else should trump's...
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this is going to take it from the ami deal to direct negotiations with michael cohen, where michael cohen made the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels under a code name that they used, stormy daniels and keith davidson. and that eventually they're going to ultimately try to get that donald trump paid michael cohen back and knew what he was doing. donald trump is walking out right now. the court is in a short recess. eric trump is there for the first time. we have been talking about how the family wasn't there. i have ten seconds left, but tell me what does it mean to have eric there? >> i think it is important for the people who are really paying attention. he did not have any of his family members there before and so the fact that now someone has finally showed up on his behalf is probably a good thing, but the question is are you going to stay and are you going to continue to be there? >> you say finally, only been a week. thank you very much. chuck rosenberg, catherine christian, love the polka dots today, my friend. court is in recess. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell
this is going to take it from the ami deal to direct negotiations with michael cohen, where michael cohen made the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels under a code name that they used, stormy daniels and keith davidson. and that eventually they're going to ultimately try to get that donald trump paid michael cohen back and knew what he was doing. donald trump is walking out right now. the court is in a short recess. eric trump is there for the first time. we have been talking about how the...
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i've seen, including mike conversations with michael cohen. he has been very carefully and precisely accurate in what he said. >> interesting david pecker testified today that trump was very detailed, oriented. he said one time trump's office, trump was given invoices and checks to sign and pecker, quote notice that he referring to trump review the invoice and looked at the check and he would sign them. how key is that testimony you think david to proving these charges against trump? >> well, trump's insistence is i had nothing to do with this. >> michael cohen, he's the one who went and did this deal and the fact that there are the audio recordings that were made by michael cohen and menn pecker's testimony. pecker is not been charged with any crime he has immunity so long as he tells the truth, he will not be charged with any crime so he has a great deal of weight to the documents and the audio recordings david, you've covered trump extensively over these many, many years and you say he's not a strong internal person what sort of impact coul
i've seen, including mike conversations with michael cohen. he has been very carefully and precisely accurate in what he said. >> interesting david pecker testified today that trump was very detailed, oriented. he said one time trump's office, trump was given invoices and checks to sign and pecker, quote notice that he referring to trump review the invoice and looked at the check and he would sign them. how key is that testimony you think david to proving these charges against trump?...
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border security and a previous letter surfaces from michael cohen's lawyer and is it the silver bullet that could cut alvin bragg's hush money case against former president trump? opening arguments start this monday and bring in that letter later on in the show. first update you on this. brigadier general robert spalding, general spalding served in u.s. air force for 26 years and he was a top china strategist and the joint chief of staff and also with us and special operations officer and garret exner served in the marine corp. for 13 years. thank you for serving our nation. here's to you, general. the strike inside iran. >> if they're smart, they'll let things cool down but i don't think they are. based on foreign minister's comments, i'm kind of concerned about potential attacks here in the united states base odden what's been going on on the southern border and more importantly, i'm concerned of the future and using nuclear weapons and there's a lot going on with iran. liz: what the general just said and are you worried about a broader mideast regional conflict? iran's looking farle
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stuart: michael cohen is making money from the case on tiktok. doesn't that violate some kind of rule? >> no. no gag orders for michael cohen, apparently, only donald trump as he a awaits his turn on the witness stand. michael cohen's been attacking trump on social media and talking about the system that has -- the testimony that has occurred so far. his nightly live streams on tiktok appear to be earning him financial benefit through viewer donations. while this doesn't seem to violate any existing court order, legal experts say it hurts his horrifically-bad credibility as a witness and in turn hurts the prosecution case because be you don't want your key witness talking about the case outside of court. they say the trump team is pouring over these live streams in an effort to weaponize them against the prosecution. when you think about what a gag order is for, it is done to protect individuals like michael cohen, but michael cohen goes out there and does everything to undo the protection. this case boppingers. stuart: you are a reformed lawyer.
stuart: michael cohen is making money from the case on tiktok. doesn't that violate some kind of rule? >> no. no gag orders for michael cohen, apparently, only donald trump as he a awaits his turn on the witness stand. michael cohen's been attacking trump on social media and talking about the system that has -- the testimony that has occurred so far. his nightly live streams on tiktok appear to be earning him financial benefit through viewer donations. while this doesn't seem to violate...
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cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does something like that expense, money, significant amount of money in that case, millions of dollars to produce something that could change people's opinions of the election to help their preferred candidate that was constitutionally protected, free speech. so that's that's what it's buying somebody silence. the same thing as free speech not free and it's not speech. >> it hasn't, it's an interesting question that should be tested. >> david says he called michael cohen because of the 2015 meeting he agreed to notify cone of anything he heard, quote
cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does...
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he says he gave payments through michael cohen for legal expenses. the charges are usually misdemeanors, manhattan d.a. alvin bragg bumped them up to felonies. the president has attacked this trial, this is truth social this morning. why didn't they bring this lawsuit seven years ago? election interference. >> if i fly over a democrat state, they call it a blue state, i get subpoenaed before a grand jury. it is horrible. h honestly, they are ruining this country, destroying the country. not a thing he's done has been good. this is blatant manipulation of the law. >> here is the 42-page jury selection with the questions, question 32, do you have any feelings or opinions about how mr. trump is being treated in this case? one way to find this out if you look at election results in manhattan, jurors are only from new york city. in 2020, mr. trump got 12% of the vote, and in 2016, he got 10% of the vote, that is the jury pull as they start letsdz than two hours from now. >> lawrence: that should be fair. >> ainsley: not surprising, it is new york city. >>
he says he gave payments through michael cohen for legal expenses. the charges are usually misdemeanors, manhattan d.a. alvin bragg bumped them up to felonies. the president has attacked this trial, this is truth social this morning. why didn't they bring this lawsuit seven years ago? election interference. >> if i fly over a democrat state, they call it a blue state, i get subpoenaed before a grand jury. it is horrible. h honestly, they are ruining this country, destroying the country....
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they're also going to say michael cohen is wildly biased. i mean, this is a man who spends all day berating trump publicly. and so ultimately jake, these will be tricky issues, but there will be up for the jury to resolve stormy daniels the adult film star and director. >> she's >> also expected to testify. she's the woman whom cohen allegedly paid off to keep her mouth shut about the alleged interlude she had with mr. trump. what kinds of questions might she be asked? >> so she's a big name, jake, but i think her direct relevance to the actual criminal charges here is pretty limited. i think she will testify. first of all, that she did, in fact have this sexual dalliance with donald trump. that's relevant in some respect to the y the hush money was paid and really her her testimony is limited. she'll be able to say yes, i received $130,000. that was part of an agreement for me not to go public, but what she will not be able to testify to is the actual crime which remember, the crime is not the payment or receipt of hush money. the crime is
they're also going to say michael cohen is wildly biased. i mean, this is a man who spends all day berating trump publicly. and so ultimately jake, these will be tricky issues, but there will be up for the jury to resolve stormy daniels the adult film star and director. >> she's >> also expected to testify. she's the woman whom cohen allegedly paid off to keep her mouth shut about the alleged interlude she had with mr. trump. what kinds of questions might she be asked? >> so...
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notably, michael cohen saying that michael cohen was obsessed with donald trump and his entire financial livelihood depends on trying to take down donald trump and we didn't we saw trump passing a lot of notes back and forth to his attorneys, but he he didn't react in any audible way or disrupted way in the proceedings which the judge has made clear he would not allow when the first witness taking the stand as david, he is a longtime friend of donald trump's when he walked into the courtroom, he actually came through a sayyed door and walked right behind where donald trump is sitting on his way to the witness stand and answer the prosecution's questions. they just were starting to set the table of what's to come establishing what ami is the american media, the publisher, the national enquirer the time, and david is role saying that he was the one that had the approval of any is the prosecutor put at juicy story. so just beginning to set up what will be the description of the catch and kill scheme that prosecutors allege this was all a part of and that all began in 2015 at a meeting at tr
notably, michael cohen saying that michael cohen was obsessed with donald trump and his entire financial livelihood depends on trying to take down donald trump and we didn't we saw trump passing a lot of notes back and forth to his attorneys, but he he didn't react in any audible way or disrupted way in the proceedings which the judge has made clear he would not allow when the first witness taking the stand as david, he is a longtime friend of donald trump's when he walked into the courtroom,...
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he said cohen's job, michael cohen who was an attorney and worked closely at one point with the president trump, cohen's job before as president was to take care of problems for the defendant. pecker would act as eyes and ears for the campaign. tell me your assessment of that through the opening argument and also of what may or may not have been legal or illegal about either one of those points? >> neither of those things are state crimes and that's not what alleged in the indictment. this is an indictment about business records, and all of the evidence is going to show that the business records and question were not made by president trump and were not in any way or shape or form fraudulent. michael cohen has we stated repeatedly in court pleadings has been found liable for perjury for a number of previous courts. this is a show trial. president trump did nothing wrong and we firmly believe that the evidence is going to bear that out in court in the coming weeks and that any fair and impartial juror would see through the prosecution smoke and mirrors strategy here to really get at the fa
he said cohen's job, michael cohen who was an attorney and worked closely at one point with the president trump, cohen's job before as president was to take care of problems for the defendant. pecker would act as eyes and ears for the campaign. tell me your assessment of that through the opening argument and also of what may or may not have been legal or illegal about either one of those points? >> neither of those things are state crimes and that's not what alleged in the indictment....
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michael cohen said there was no retainer. michael cohen's lawyer was the one who arranged for the payment of $130,000 to stormy daniels. trump says he just paid his lawyer and the lawyer was executing a nondisclosure agreement with daniels. it was just a personal contract and had nothing to do with the campaign. cohen and daniels are potential witnesses for the trial to discuss what they considered a payment to keep her quiet before the election. host: 34 criminal charges if convicted of any or all, what punishment will the former president possibly face? guest: there are four year terms for each of the 34 counts. that's what you may have heard. trump will sometimes say that he is threatened with 136 years in prison and that if he is convicted him all of the counts and they would run consecutively. typically, even if convicted as a first-time offense, it's a relatively shorter term for a felony charge and the range would be somewhere below four years and the counts would run concurrently rather than consecutively. there could
michael cohen said there was no retainer. michael cohen's lawyer was the one who arranged for the payment of $130,000 to stormy daniels. trump says he just paid his lawyer and the lawyer was executing a nondisclosure agreement with daniels. it was just a personal contract and had nothing to do with the campaign. cohen and daniels are potential witnesses for the trial to discuss what they considered a payment to keep her quiet before the election. host: 34 criminal charges if convicted of any or...
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how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they were different stories. >> well, if you're talking about how this relates back to the election, what we know, and what we knew at the time was that this happened in the context of a very close race with a month or so to go until election day and polls starting to show the race moving away from trump after the first debate with hillary clinton, and so you can really see in the way the campaign reacted to it that, you know, this was something that they were concerned about. people very close to trump thought the race was over. thought he was going to have to drop out. or sort of politely u
how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they...
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with more testimony from michael cohen's former banker. we have two smart legal minds here to break it all down. they join me after a quick break. break. and they're all coming? those who are still with us, yes. grandpa! what's this? your wings. light 'em up! gentlemen, it's a beautiful... ...day to fly. >>> donald trump's criminal trial will pick back up tomorrow in lower manhattan. when a former banker to michael cohen is expected to return to the stand. he was the senior managing director and was assigned to cohen . at least in part due to his reputation for being able to handle what he called, quote, individuals that may be a little challenging. that's quite a banking specialty. he helped cohen set up a bank account for the shell company used to pay hundred $30,000 to stormy daniels. on the eve of the 2016 election. in order to keep her quiet about an affair she said she had with then candidate trump. prosecutor said they have another hours worth of questions for the baker before trial trump's attorneys cross- examine him. thursday, th
with more testimony from michael cohen's former banker. we have two smart legal minds here to break it all down. they join me after a quick break. break. and they're all coming? those who are still with us, yes. grandpa! what's this? your wings. light 'em up! gentlemen, it's a beautiful... ...day to fly. >>> donald trump's criminal trial will pick back up tomorrow in lower manhattan. when a former banker to michael cohen is expected to return to the stand. he was the senior managing...
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we were thinking, michael cohen is the star witness and how will they corroborate michael cohen. and i really think the way to think about this case is this case is made very much without michael cohen. i mean, this is so corroborated and it is not just that you have david pecker and now keith davidson, they're stories are just hand and glove. i mean, they fit together so perfectly. and they tell a complex story. i mean, something that if you were making it up, it wouldn't be -- it would be kind of intricacy and also it is completely corroborated particularly with respect to mr. davidson by so many texts and email exchanges an the written documents. this is one where with almost every question there is a reference to a document so that the jurors could see there is no question about what he is saying. it is completely backed up. so by the time you get to michael cohen, i think the way that i think this is going to be summed up on by the prosecution, is to say, you know what, if michael cohen had said anything else, you would have thought he was lying. it is so completely consiste
we were thinking, michael cohen is the star witness and how will they corroborate michael cohen. and i really think the way to think about this case is this case is made very much without michael cohen. i mean, this is so corroborated and it is not just that you have david pecker and now keith davidson, they're stories are just hand and glove. i mean, they fit together so perfectly. and they tell a complex story. i mean, something that if you were making it up, it wouldn't be -- it would be...
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michael cohen is a -- and you know i've never been a fan of michael for various reasons. you know, he's a serial liar. he's shown himself to be incapable of telling the truth. >> okay, avenatti is behind bars. he obviously has some credibility issues, but glenn, is this a case of it takes one to know one? >> yeah, you know, anytime i prosecuted a conspiracy, a criminal agreement involving multiple people, ana, everybody in that conspiracy was a criminal, many of them were liars. so what i had to try to do was bring the lower level conspirators on board, flip them, clean them up so to speak, meaning i would look for every shred of evidence that corroborated what they were now telling us, the investigators and the prosecutors about what they did and about what their co-conspirators did. and in one sense, yes, michael cohen can be viewed as damaged goods, but in another sensuous -- sense, he's going to be corroborated. why is he damaged? he is damaged in large part because he was telling lies to help donald trump stay out of hot water. that is actually the kind of weakness o
michael cohen is a -- and you know i've never been a fan of michael for various reasons. you know, he's a serial liar. he's shown himself to be incapable of telling the truth. >> okay, avenatti is behind bars. he obviously has some credibility issues, but glenn, is this a case of it takes one to know one? >> yeah, you know, anytime i prosecuted a conspiracy, a criminal agreement involving multiple people, ana, everybody in that conspiracy was a criminal, many of them were liars. so...
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you can't do this just on the shoulders of michael cohen thighs, on the shoulders of michael cohen. right. you need everything else around him to lift him up. otherwise, there is no correct? right. you can't you can't have it on. i know he has long felt that they were going to do that and that he would be he would say it. but then they would prove it separately from my one to the side. he's he's critical, but everything around him and stew one thing that is david pecker is now walked off the stand men that had been friends. >> again, we put that in quotes, but friends such that they were friends over decades. they have not spoken since the beginning of 2019, according to pecker's testimony. so do you think they'll ever speak again? i mean, trump has said things about him this way. >> if you look at how once pecker told his tail that he was required to he also tried to make friends with trump again, so more like from the godfather, it's personal, not business and this is kind of that relationship anyways, so pretty yep description? >> yeah. all right. well, thank you all very much. >
you can't do this just on the shoulders of michael cohen thighs, on the shoulders of michael cohen. right. you need everything else around him to lift him up. otherwise, there is no correct? right. you can't you can't have it on. i know he has long felt that they were going to do that and that he would be he would say it. but then they would prove it separately from my one to the side. he's he's critical, but everything around him and stew one thing that is david pecker is now walked off the...
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who knows if they're watching michael cohen. michael cohen has been tweeting against trump, attacking him. to your point, this is about a democrats twisting the legal system beyond recognition. it's a gag order on a presidential candidate for a case where you and other legal pros warn no one knows what the federal charge is, with the star witness, cohen, who reportedly has a history of lying under oath. witness david pecker testified that cohen was, quote, prone to exaggeration. the new york appeals court just denied the former president's request to delay. what do you make of these developments? >> as for cohen, it's not like there's speculation needed here. [laughter] he's a convicted perjurer. he pled guilty to perjury in connection with the mueller investigation. he pled guilty to major fraud counts in the southern district of new york in the justice department's investigation and his last tape on his guilty pleas was that he perjured himself when he pled guilty. so that's his defense, you know? it, if you're right, liz, and
who knows if they're watching michael cohen. michael cohen has been tweeting against trump, attacking him. to your point, this is about a democrats twisting the legal system beyond recognition. it's a gag order on a presidential candidate for a case where you and other legal pros warn no one knows what the federal charge is, with the star witness, cohen, who reportedly has a history of lying under oath. witness david pecker testified that cohen was, quote, prone to exaggeration. the new york...
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one of those minions is michael cohen, and this was all michael cohen's show, not donald trump who was mostly in the dark. the people know they're going to explore that as a defense t. they are prebutting it, rebutting it in advance. >> graff is off the stand. no redirect. everything you said, danny, is now moot. >> you didn't have to point it out. >> once again. she's off the stand, they're going to get a third witness today. we're waiting to see who that witness is. we're going to take a quick break. once again, our coverage of donald trump's criminal hush money trial continues in just a moment. inues in just a moment ♪♪ missing out on the things you love because of asthma? get back to better breathing with fasenra, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a parasit
one of those minions is michael cohen, and this was all michael cohen's show, not donald trump who was mostly in the dark. the people know they're going to explore that as a defense t. they are prebutting it, rebutting it in advance. >> graff is off the stand. no redirect. everything you said, danny, is now moot. >> you didn't have to point it out. >> once again. she's off the stand, they're going to get a third witness today. we're waiting to see who that witness is. we're...
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and has trump said -- we know he goes bad on michael cohen yesterday. what has he said about david they've been friends and allies for decades. >> it was interesting because at trial you start with their most important witness and end with your strongest typically. this gave us a witness of where this is going and it was telling from the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to link this directly to the election. the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump ended this catch and kill for the campaign. it was to attack political opponents. it was for david -- and this is clearly where it's going. david was asked how we operated and orchestrated the catch and kill schemes. over $10,000 that editors had to ask him if they could spend that kind of money on sources and try to get stories. he will narrate the entirety of the relationship between trump and him and the national enquirer and that's why it makes them important. >> the prosecution is hoping he will be that narrator, neal? >> absolutely. i think the aim of the prosecution and
and has trump said -- we know he goes bad on michael cohen yesterday. what has he said about david they've been friends and allies for decades. >> it was interesting because at trial you start with their most important witness and end with your strongest typically. this gave us a witness of where this is going and it was telling from the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to link this directly to the election. the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump ended...
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gary farro who is michael cohen's former banker who was directly involved in the transaction of cohen and stormy daniels. so we bring in our legal correspondents. and so you have been inside of the courthouse every day since this began, lisa. and so this third witness to take the stand, gary farro,and why is he important? >> he is the michael cohen banker, and he had been a long time customer with several accounts, but in the fall of 2016 in connection to paying first karen mcdougal and then stormy daniels, michael cohen had to open up new accounts to make those payments, and so in mid-october he went to gary farro who was his then banker saying he needed to open up a llc account, a limited liability account, and he opened up a llc account to make that payment to keith danielson who is stormy daniel's lawyer, and michael cohen will take us through that, and it will contain some of the misrepresentations of the consulting entity and explain how quickly this deal came to fruition, and gary farro confirmed to michael cohen that the money has been wired. >> there was testimony from the sa
gary farro who is michael cohen's former banker who was directly involved in the transaction of cohen and stormy daniels. so we bring in our legal correspondents. and so you have been inside of the courthouse every day since this began, lisa. and so this third witness to take the stand, gary farro,and why is he important? >> he is the michael cohen banker, and he had been a long time customer with several accounts, but in the fall of 2016 in connection to paying first karen mcdougal and...
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cohen is there any evidence anyone told michael cohen to do this? >> it's a terrible idea to try to undermine the relationships. the point is that should be irrelevant. the point is as bill saying, you want to focus on, make cohen do all the work and then you tack his credibility. >> absolutely. i mean, they've chosen to deny it, but it doesn't matter. wrap your arms around it. but the issue is what was it done for it wasn't done primarily for political purposes. it was out the window and i as jamie said, i don't think mutually exclusive if even if you do delay to avoid the embarrassment and you're worried about the election two, if the election is the collateral move, i think your they're fascinating stuff. >> thanks to all of you. appreciate it while mr. trump may be bound by a gag order in this hush money cover up he was rather candidate and a brand new interview with time magazine, the title on this cover story, if he wins, some of the most revealing and perhaps shocking line that conversation that's next in the next 30 seconds, 250 couples will
cohen is there any evidence anyone told michael cohen to do this? >> it's a terrible idea to try to undermine the relationships. the point is that should be irrelevant. the point is as bill saying, you want to focus on, make cohen do all the work and then you tack his credibility. >> absolutely. i mean, they've chosen to deny it, but it doesn't matter. wrap your arms around it. but the issue is what was it done for it wasn't done primarily for political purposes. it was out the...
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michael cohen, we have to remind everyone, michael cohen was trump's lawyer. trump's lawyer. if someone broke the law over the legal advice given to you, wouldn't that be on the lawyer who gave you the advice? you have to enter the legal payment this way, because there is no other way to do it, how in the right mind can the lawyer testify against me as the chief witness. this is lawfare on boots, and it is another example, you look at christina -- what is her name, christina bottom, a lawyer for speed, she could face a total of life in prison over this other stuff, they are hunting everybody on trump so he is isolated in the media has always warned us that trump is an authoritarian and his supporters are like this big mob in red hats. if you want to lose power and get hunted, support trump. in today's culture, if you want a target on your back, you want your power taken away, if you want your job threatens, if you want to be threatened with jail, you support trump. however, if you want to reject trump, say he is evil, you rise, you rise in your career and everything. if you w
michael cohen, we have to remind everyone, michael cohen was trump's lawyer. trump's lawyer. if someone broke the law over the legal advice given to you, wouldn't that be on the lawyer who gave you the advice? you have to enter the legal payment this way, because there is no other way to do it, how in the right mind can the lawyer testify against me as the chief witness. this is lawfare on boots, and it is another example, you look at christina -- what is her name, christina bottom, a lawyer...
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cohen, and how he used michael cohen as his fixer and what the children thought of michael cohen, which was apparently not much and so i think she's she's good for the document part of this, but she's also an important witness, i think to talk about the sort of ethos of the trump organization and how donald trump ran it and how much attention he paid to the receipts. and to what was going on. and also, she can talk about the relationship with david pecker. can you imagine though just taking a step back on what this must feel like for donald trump in this moment. i mean, we know the witness list includes people like hope hicks, michael cohen. michael cohen clearly, no love lost in the sense that we are all very clear at the status of their relationship. >> we're on a graph, somebody who would have been his right-hand woman thinking about her important role, david pecker, a long-term friend. >> we've seen the pictures outside of the white house, naveen david pecker was invited to sit in meeting with mike pompeo and jame dimon. call me and then told in front of all them he knows more than
cohen, and how he used michael cohen as his fixer and what the children thought of michael cohen, which was apparently not much and so i think she's she's good for the document part of this, but she's also an important witness, i think to talk about the sort of ethos of the trump organization and how donald trump ran it and how much attention he paid to the receipts. and to what was going on. and also, she can talk about the relationship with david pecker. can you imagine though just taking a...
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i quote the prosecutors working for donald trump who charged michael cohen, targeted michael cohen, and never said a word. they called him individual one until the media found he was donald trump. now, we're going to have the truth come out under cross-examination. remember, michael cohen went through oddles of cross-examination in the new york case. the judge heard that and found him to be truthful. we know at least that during a cross-examination, he told the truth, and the judge made a verdict finding him to be truthful. >> calling this the hush money trial only tells a part of the story. it is, of course, that. $130,000 to a porn star. this is also about interfering in the 2016 election. legal adviser to michael cohen, lanny davis confirming for us this morning, michael cohen will be a witness. jury selection gets under way in the trial monday. lanny, thank you for being here. state attorney for palm beach county, dave aronberg, thank you, as well. >>> ahead this morning, donald trump repeatedly said he wants to repeal the affordable care act. we'll take a look at what he is saying
i quote the prosecutors working for donald trump who charged michael cohen, targeted michael cohen, and never said a word. they called him individual one until the media found he was donald trump. now, we're going to have the truth come out under cross-examination. remember, michael cohen went through oddles of cross-examination in the new york case. the judge heard that and found him to be truthful. we know at least that during a cross-examination, he told the truth, and the judge made a...
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all the attacks on michael cohen. like fine, michael cohen's michael cohen. but he didn't have the sex. he didn't run for president. and he's the only one that went and spent time in solitary. >> yeah. there is a disconnect between the consequence of following trump's direction and carrying out his demands because they were so loyal and the lack of accountability for donald trump. that's like -- this is the thing that we're going to have to explain. i really like where you were taking the conversation earlier, that okay, we might not be able to look for the court for accountability but everyone can think of themselves as a juror going into the 2024 election. the standard for criminality is very high. but the standard for a president should be much easier to understand. just basics. don't order a mob to attack the capitol. don't lie in all your business documents. i mean, the list goes on and on. so i think it's very easy to have a conversation with regular people about what their standard should be regardless of what any supreme court justice might rule. >> y
all the attacks on michael cohen. like fine, michael cohen's michael cohen. but he didn't have the sex. he didn't run for president. and he's the only one that went and spent time in solitary. >> yeah. there is a disconnect between the consequence of following trump's direction and carrying out his demands because they were so loyal and the lack of accountability for donald trump. that's like -- this is the thing that we're going to have to explain. i really like where you were taking the...
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michael cohen says donald trump knew that's what he was paying for. donald trump says i know i was paying michael cohen, but he contends that he didn't know exactly what for. hope hicks may be that link and may have that answer. >> the other thing, vaughn, is the access. when donald trump trusts you and you're in that circle, you're there, right. so we don't know necessarily how much she knows or at least not publicly we don't know. >> and to what extent was she engaged in the phone calls between michael cohen and donald trump in october, and was she listening in. clearly the prosecution heard from hope hicks when she went from the grand jury. they know that she has something to tell andthere's a reason they would be calling her back to the stand. >> hope being on the phone calls, irrespective of what contributed, the fact that she was a third party to the conversations situates her differently. one of the shortcomings of the d.a.'s case is that in many respects it will strike the public as a he said, he said. donald trump and michael cohen were alone
michael cohen says donald trump knew that's what he was paying for. donald trump says i know i was paying michael cohen, but he contends that he didn't know exactly what for. hope hicks may be that link and may have that answer. >> the other thing, vaughn, is the access. when donald trump trusts you and you're in that circle, you're there, right. so we don't know necessarily how much she knows or at least not publicly we don't know. >> and to what extent was she engaged in the phone...
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and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just materialize overnight. there was litigation. there was motion practice that happened that this indictment survived because a lot of people want to say there's nothing here. there's no there there. donald trump whipping out like a toddler, look at all of my friends saying there's no crime here. well, jonathan turley is not the gold standard for that. so what happened is when you heard the testimony through pecker that there was a conspiracy, and the conspiracy existed with the defendant and michael cohen, and now david pecker, and you heard that the purpose of all of these catch and kill were to insure ther
and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just materialize overnight. there was litigation. there was motion...
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there we're going to hear more about that from michael cohen and again, if michael cohen's really the only one that ties all this together, he's got a lot of issues. i'm actually see what else they use other than michael go. >> but the other thing you let this go, if you're the defense, just don't fight it. don't object, don't because they knew this was coming. this is the central part part of the prosecution's case. well, let it go hundred percent. >> yeah. i mean, you don't because i think the more you kick and scream about it, the more you draw the jury's attention to it. they have other ways they can attack the credibility and the membrane is back to what you were saying about small ball at the end of the de, it's just there were these little inconsistency michael cohen is coming. >> we don't know what else is coming. i mean, let's just remember that landy davis, who was michael cohen's lawyer, has said that this case does not quote rise and fall on michael cohen's testimony that there is other evidence, but we haven't seen prosecutors are trying to answer the question for the jur
there we're going to hear more about that from michael cohen and again, if michael cohen's really the only one that ties all this together, he's got a lot of issues. i'm actually see what else they use other than michael go. >> but the other thing you let this go, if you're the defense, just don't fight it. don't object, don't because they knew this was coming. this is the central part part of the prosecution's case. well, let it go hundred percent. >> yeah. i mean, you don't...
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often michael cohen, aaron. >> all right, paula, thank you very much. and i want to go now to soucie a who worked closely with david pecker at the national enquirer's parent company. elizabeth williams is also win it does the sketch artist who was in the courtroom with donald trump today. and of course has been throughout this trial. now you all know her and our legal experts, karen friedman, agnifilo, and stacy schneider. so all right. so great to have all of you. let me just start straight off with you. so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear really outlined it under oath today, how it will play it out and the b
often michael cohen, aaron. >> all right, paula, thank you very much. and i want to go now to soucie a who worked closely with david pecker at the national enquirer's parent company. elizabeth williams is also win it does the sketch artist who was in the courtroom with donald trump today. and of course has been throughout this trial. now you all know her and our legal experts, karen friedman, agnifilo, and stacy schneider. so all right. so great to have all of you. let me just start...