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pecker ran "the inquirer." prosecutor questioned michael cohen about that stuff while he was on the stand. this is the type of stuff that might be read back out to the jury tomorrow. i can tell you right now, we know they asked cohen, what did pecker say he could do for trump's candidacy. cohen recounted, he said he'd keep an eye out for anything negative. he could help, know in advance what's coming out and stop it from coming out. how much does that match? well, pecker recounted, quote, i said that anything i hear in the marketplace, if i hear anything negative about yourself or if i hear anything about women selling stories, i would notify michael cohen, as i did, over the last several years. i'm going to keep reading because this is what the jury's likely to be given tomorrow, as they do the review. pecker continuing, i would notify michael cohen. and then he'd be able to have them killed in another magazine or have them purchased. or somebody would have to purchase them. the d.a. follows up, purchase the n
pecker ran "the inquirer." prosecutor questioned michael cohen about that stuff while he was on the stand. this is the type of stuff that might be read back out to the jury tomorrow. i can tell you right now, we know they asked cohen, what did pecker say he could do for trump's candidacy. cohen recounted, he said he'd keep an eye out for anything negative. he could help, know in advance what's coming out and stop it from coming out. how much does that match? well, pecker recounted,...
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pecker continuing. i would notify michael cohen and have them killed or somebody would have to purchase them. and then listen to this. the da's team follows up. purchase the negative stories about mr. trump so they would not get published you mean? and pecker confirms that they would not get published. yes. i would run or public positive stories about trump. and i would publish negative stories about his opponents. i said i would be your eyes and ears. if you are thinking i get the point, you need to get the point beyond a reasonable doubt if they are going to win. all of this stuff is supposed to be dead to rights and we know in the da's closing arguments which will not be reread tomorrow but are relevant, prosecutor steinglass said the prism through which you should examine things. trying to become more powerful by controlling the flow of information that could reach the voters. the question is not one of rhetoric or ideology, it is, is that true and proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they did that
pecker continuing. i would notify michael cohen and have them killed or somebody would have to purchase them. and then listen to this. the da's team follows up. purchase the negative stories about mr. trump so they would not get published you mean? and pecker confirms that they would not get published. yes. i would run or public positive stories about trump. and i would publish negative stories about his opponents. i said i would be your eyes and ears. if you are thinking i get the point, you...
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with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well, it was smart, katie, and i am reminded that it was you who first said that you thought david pecker would be a great kickoff witness. i think that's the case, right? this is someone who doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen, and who tells the origin story. he has now walked us through the election interference conspiracy. this is now patch and kill to elect trump. that's the case that the prosecution will put on. they've done a great job of giving the jury sort of the basics, the land marks and the road map that they'll move ahead on
with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well,...
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on the strand pecker said we would embellish. the tabloid went after ted cruz, as we covered through the week. cruz famously finished second only to trump in the primary there was a cover story that some might view as defamatory, cruz's father was somehow linked to the jfk assassination. i'm showing this to you as criminal evidence. i'm not showing this to you as true, in fairness to senator cruz. pecker testified in court that what you see on your screen was not only false, but they knew it was false from the start. in other words, sometimes you have something come out, it has to be corrected. this should have been corrected in advanced. it never should have run because they knew it was, quote, manufactured, according to the star witness himself. and trump used all this against cruz at the time, and cruz punched back. >> all i did is point out the fact that on the cover of the "national enquirer" there is a picture him and crazy lee harvey oswald having breakfast. now ted never denied that it was his father. instead he said dona
on the strand pecker said we would embellish. the tabloid went after ted cruz, as we covered through the week. cruz famously finished second only to trump in the primary there was a cover story that some might view as defamatory, cruz's father was somehow linked to the jfk assassination. i'm showing this to you as criminal evidence. i'm not showing this to you as true, in fairness to senator cruz. pecker testified in court that what you see on your screen was not only false, but they knew it...
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it was david pecker who testified. and explained how this whole thing worked to buy and bury negative stories through the tabloids to boost the campaign. was that your purpose locking up the story about the play mate to influence the election? and he confirmed yes. pecker details how they worked with cohen. we will show you headlines that are for the most part false. a false allegation about then trump competitor marco rubio. another one. i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz. pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured. right down to the doctored photo. however bad it looks they said it was not a trump campaign thing. it is just how they roll. they brought up arnold schwarzenegger and that deal. pecker said the agreement i had with arnold is i would advise him about stories out there. acquire them. buy them for a period of time. defense highlighting cohen didn't pay him back for the mcdougal story to get jurors to doubt if this was a trump campaign thing. i spoke to h
it was david pecker who testified. and explained how this whole thing worked to buy and bury negative stories through the tabloids to boost the campaign. was that your purpose locking up the story about the play mate to influence the election? and he confirmed yes. pecker details how they worked with cohen. we will show you headlines that are for the most part false. a false allegation about then trump competitor marco rubio. another one. i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously...
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pecker saying how they worked with cohen. i'm going to show you the head lines that are for the most part false, a false allegation about trump competitor marco rubio. another one i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz. pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured right down to the doctored photo. trump's lawyers said this was a routine thing they did. however bad it looks, it was not a trump campaign thing, it's how they roll. they brought up arnold schwarzenegger, the deal i had with an nold, i would acquire them, buy them for a period of time. defense saying cohen didn't pay the enquirer back for the mcdougall story. that's trying to get the jurors to doubt whether this was a trump campaign thing or maybe just an enquirer thing. now mcdougall, who you see on the screen, i spoke to her lawyer back in 2019, keith davidson, who told us this. >> the affairs happened in 2006. michael cohen and i first contacted each other about the matter in 2011. so at a minimum they knew about
pecker saying how they worked with cohen. i'm going to show you the head lines that are for the most part false, a false allegation about trump competitor marco rubio. another one i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz. pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured right down to the doctored photo. trump's lawyers said this was a routine thing they did. however bad it looks, it was not a trump campaign thing, it's how they roll. they brought up...
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no one knew what to expect out of david pecker. we learned he had been cooperating with prosecutors and brought trump straight into the essential conspiracy, the election fraud conspiracy, which is necessary to turn the misdemeanor that is charged here into a felony. important testimony. he stood up well on testimony and cross-examination. they did not seem to come after him with a lot. they tried to pick away at his credibility, question the key evidence, but he was thoroughly rehabilitated on redirect examination. the prosecution has to be feeling good. >> jason, i don't want to be unkind to the defendant and he is legally presumed innocent, but the family is not there. the jury can notice that. these are his friends and allies. some of them have gone so far they are like michael cohen, who is so angry at trump that it might affect his credibility. some like i emphasized said friendly. the guy is a liar, but we are friendly. i mean he may have committed crimes, that's what i thought we did, but we are friendly and he's got a whol
no one knew what to expect out of david pecker. we learned he had been cooperating with prosecutors and brought trump straight into the essential conspiracy, the election fraud conspiracy, which is necessary to turn the misdemeanor that is charged here into a felony. important testimony. he stood up well on testimony and cross-examination. they did not seem to come after him with a lot. they tried to pick away at his credibility, question the key evidence, but he was thoroughly rehabilitated on...
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no one knew what to expect out of david pecker. we learned he had been cooperating with prosecutors and he brought trump straight into the conspiracy, the election fraud conspiracy which is necessary to turn the misdemeanor into a felony. he stood up pretty well during testimony and on cross- examination. they did not seem to come after him with a lot. they tried to pick away at his credibility, question some of the key pieces of evidence but he was thoroughly rehabilitated on redirect. the prosecution has to be feeling good. >> jason, the defendant is legally presumed innocent. but, his family is not there. the jury can notice that. these are his friends and allies. some of them have gone so far like michael cohen who is so angry at trump that it might affect his credibility. summerlike mr. pecker who might say yeah, friendly. the guys a liar but we are friendly. we may have committed crimes but were friendly and he has got a whole back story of, shall we say, early complicated allegations, but were friendly. if these are the view
no one knew what to expect out of david pecker. we learned he had been cooperating with prosecutors and he brought trump straight into the conspiracy, the election fraud conspiracy which is necessary to turn the misdemeanor into a felony. he stood up pretty well during testimony and on cross- examination. they did not seem to come after him with a lot. they tried to pick away at his credibility, question some of the key pieces of evidence but he was thoroughly rehabilitated on redirect. the...
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and he said pecker would keep an eye out for anything negative about trump and he'd be able to help us, know in advance what was coming out, and try to stop it from coming out. that last part is crucial. that's where the d.a. says the
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david pecker has been admitting that. he recounts his dealing with the star witness michael cohen to buy in and bury stories, in order to protect president donald 's campaign. they allege an agreement to then hide financial footprints. they told the jury this will also be corroborated with evidence in , the defendant's own words, showing an illegal conspiracy. he said there is not an actual conspiracy charge in this case. that is true. the word conspiracy has a legal meaning and a more colloquial meaning if you have ever watched a mafia movie. they are saying they conspired together. they also attack the whole conspiracy theory, that he attacked through unlawful means. it would be needed to supersize this misdemeanor of financial fraud into a felony case. the trough defense has kind of said, well, maybe the da is being alarmist about what amounts to, however dirty, politics as usual. that is how they argue it. some proclaim there is nothing wrong with trying to influence and to collection. it is called democracy. the da h
david pecker has been admitting that. he recounts his dealing with the star witness michael cohen to buy in and bury stories, in order to protect president donald 's campaign. they allege an agreement to then hide financial footprints. they told the jury this will also be corroborated with evidence in , the defendant's own words, showing an illegal conspiracy. he said there is not an actual conspiracy charge in this case. that is true. the word conspiracy has a legal meaning and a more...
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trump, and also hearing about the fact that even after the election, you know, not just david pecker but hope hicks, both having donald trump say if either of these stories, whether it's karen mcdougal or stormy daniels got out, it really would have been damaging to the campaign, and i don't see any way that you would describe why for stormy daniels they were delaying the payments if it was -- if the purpose of the payments was just to prevent embarrassment to his family or to himself and not to the campaign. the timing doesn't add up. otherwise, he would have just made the payment at any point. so i think that point is very strong and there are just so many witnesses that corroborate each other in that. i do agree with andrew, the evidence that donald trump caused these false business records to be made, you know, that -- it doesn't have to be direct. it can be indirect, but there really wasn't evidence that donald trump was directing or requesting anybody to make the false business records. so where do you get this evidence? you know, i think ultimately there's going to be an argum
trump, and also hearing about the fact that even after the election, you know, not just david pecker but hope hicks, both having donald trump say if either of these stories, whether it's karen mcdougal or stormy daniels got out, it really would have been damaging to the campaign, and i don't see any way that you would describe why for stormy daniels they were delaying the payments if it was -- if the purpose of the payments was just to prevent embarrassment to his family or to himself and not...
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pecker to remain loyal to mr. trump. that is an explanation. it's also one you could imagine the defense attacking a lot, both to argue it's not true or to argue that cohen in general is still not reliable to this day. you could imagine the defense asking tomorrow or thursday, so, mr. cohen, this key tape that is now the center of this case against your former client is the one and only time you ever recorded him. what a coincidence. how convenient. you must have a really good radar for when to record and why should we believe you and who else did you record, and did you have it in for him even then? again, cohen has some answers including trump's well established tendency for stiffing people. this is the kind of back and forth the jury is going to witness. cohen has the first-hand knowledge. he says trump was directly involved in all this, and the tape does show that, but it could raise other questions. remember, earlier, the d.a. played another recording, not of cohen but trump speaking with stormy daniels' lawy
pecker to remain loyal to mr. trump. that is an explanation. it's also one you could imagine the defense attacking a lot, both to argue it's not true or to argue that cohen in general is still not reliable to this day. you could imagine the defense asking tomorrow or thursday, so, mr. cohen, this key tape that is now the center of this case against your former client is the one and only time you ever recorded him. what a coincidence. how convenient. you must have a really good radar for when to...
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consider the utterly damning testimony of david pecker. meaning they're arguing other witnesses back up cohen. so this case and these alleged facts don't rise and fall on just him. second, they made a less legal and more practical argument and it's one that any trump observer knows. you do not need a law degree. the people around trump who now have yet again become legal witnesses to trump's actions, they're dodgy and sketchy and sometimes outright criminal and the prosecutor argued, that's not a bug, that's a feature. it's because trump picked them. here's the quote, we didn't pick michael cohen up at the witness store. no. trump picked him.
consider the utterly damning testimony of david pecker. meaning they're arguing other witnesses back up cohen. so this case and these alleged facts don't rise and fall on just him. second, they made a less legal and more practical argument and it's one that any trump observer knows. you do not need a law degree. the people around trump who now have yet again become legal witnesses to trump's actions, they're dodgy and sketchy and sometimes outright criminal and the prosecutor argued, that's not...
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david pecker and dylan howard basically ran "the enquirer." they are central to the case that there was a known, formal and financed criminal plot to catch and kill these stories. the other name you see there, keith davidson, you may remember was stormy daniels' lawyer at one point. let's start with the tabloid chief pecker, he's one of the chief people that cohen's team says will corroborate michael cohen's damning story against trump. you need corroboration and different witnesses and all of that, in fact, just last night cohen adviser lanny davis was previewing that testimony right here. >> what other witness or witnesses do you think would most clearly corroborate your testimony. >> i will answer your question axe cording to public reports because i was in the room with michael for almost two years while prosecutors were preparing. >> i know. >> i can tell you there is another major crime that michael was forced to plead guilty to, and he was not involved with the national enquirer someone named david pecker, that he met with trump met wit
david pecker and dylan howard basically ran "the enquirer." they are central to the case that there was a known, formal and financed criminal plot to catch and kill these stories. the other name you see there, keith davidson, you may remember was stormy daniels' lawyer at one point. let's start with the tabloid chief pecker, he's one of the chief people that cohen's team says will corroborate michael cohen's damning story against trump. you need corroboration and different witnesses...
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david pecker had given a link with respect to karen mcdougall and the door man, but the case is really about the stormy daniels payments. hope hicks, a reluctant witness, who tearfully said, this is from within the trump campaign, said he -- donald trump told her that he was aware that michael cohen had made these hush money payments. he tried to say he only learned after the fact, which by the way doesn't matter. as long as he learned it and knew it before he was making all of these reimbursement payments, that's good enough. >> right. >> hope hicks not only said did he know it -- >> if you reimburse someone for buying you crack, you're still on the hook. >> yup. and so she gave that -- she also suggested she didn't believe donald trump's story that this was something that michael cohen did out of the goodness of his heart. she said, you know, that's not who he is and he likes to take credit for things. she also said i don't really believe that story in words or substance. it doesn't matter. you are going to hear from the da. doesn't matter whether she believes him or not, because as
david pecker had given a link with respect to karen mcdougall and the door man, but the case is really about the stormy daniels payments. hope hicks, a reluctant witness, who tearfully said, this is from within the trump campaign, said he -- donald trump told her that he was aware that michael cohen had made these hush money payments. he tried to say he only learned after the fact, which by the way doesn't matter. as long as he learned it and knew it before he was making all of these...
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they started with the first witness, david pecker to lay the foundation on how all of this even came about . this deal with trump and cohen. the order that they are going in, i am not surprised. they are telling a story and they were building up to cohen being their star witness. he's got to be watching this. he's got to hear what is being said. >> i know he is watching it. i want to say that the prosecution is warning him against that. that is something that he can cause some damage on. i am not surprised by the strategy of the prosecution. >> really interesting point especially against your expertise with some of how these lawyers work. we will see both sides of it. yodit tewolde, thank you for being here. >> thank you. >>> up next, we lived there history together. i am excited about this one. that is when we come back. bac. get the rest to be your best with non-habit forming zzzquil. ♪ ♪ -unnecessary action hero ... the nemesis. -it appears that despite my forsinisterquil. efforts, employees are still managing their own hr and payroll. why would you think mere humans deserve t
they started with the first witness, david pecker to lay the foundation on how all of this even came about . this deal with trump and cohen. the order that they are going in, i am not surprised. they are telling a story and they were building up to cohen being their star witness. he's got to be watching this. he's got to hear what is being said. >> i know he is watching it. i want to say that the prosecution is warning him against that. that is something that he can cause some damage on....
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obviously you have michael cullen, but i think that you will hear a lot about putting together pecker , hope hicks, and just how unlikely it would be that michael cohen and allen weisselberg, who i think clearly knew about the scheme, why they would keep it from donald trump. i think you are going to hear that as the main battleground. there will be lots of embroidery, but i think substantively, that will be the main issue. >> kristi? >> i completely agree. i think as to the piece of this about proving that there was an agreement to unlawfully influence the election, there is just so much evidence from so many different sources about that piece, not just for michael cohen, but from david pecker about the whole meeting in august of 2015 was set up. direct conversations not just between michael cullen and donald trump, but between david pecker and donald trump. and also hearing about the fact that even after the election , not just david pecker, but hope hicks both having donald trump say if either of these stories, whether karen mcdougal or stormy daniels got out, it would've been dama
obviously you have michael cullen, but i think that you will hear a lot about putting together pecker , hope hicks, and just how unlikely it would be that michael cohen and allen weisselberg, who i think clearly knew about the scheme, why they would keep it from donald trump. i think you are going to hear that as the main battleground. there will be lots of embroidery, but i think substantively, that will be the main issue. >> kristi? >> i completely agree. i think as to the piece...
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no one knew what to expect out of david pecker. we learned he had been cooperating with prosecutors and brought trump straight into the essential conspiracy, the election fraud conspiracy, which is necessary to turn the misdemeanor that is charged here into a felony. important testimony. he stood up well on testimony and cross-examination. they did not seem to come after him with a lot. they tried to pick away at his credibility, question the key
no one knew what to expect out of david pecker. we learned he had been cooperating with prosecutors and brought trump straight into the essential conspiracy, the election fraud conspiracy, which is necessary to turn the misdemeanor that is charged here into a felony. important testimony. he stood up well on testimony and cross-examination. they did not seem to come after him with a lot. they tried to pick away at his credibility, question the key
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he did not address that with respect to david pecker. he did not address the parts that were really harmful. he didn't address in any meaningful way what josh steinglass referred to, smoking guns, exhibits 35 and 36, for everyone not in the weeds, the hand written noegts by allen weisselberg and jeff mcconny detailing the payments. >> i think most people have memorized the exhibit numbers. >> i hope so. >> they wrote down their plot. >> exactly. the problem was is that todd blanch, i think, did a good but obvious job with respect to michael cohen. michael cohen is a problematic witness. we knew that from the direct. we knew it from when the trial started. it's fine for him to lay that out. it's fair for him to lay that out but that doesn't address all of the other problems. so i think that let josh steinglass start with a leg up. >> that all makes sense. one thing i'm thinking about, andrew, the holes that were left i think were left there because the things that blanch could have said to help trump, trump doesn't want public necessarily
he did not address that with respect to david pecker. he did not address the parts that were really harmful. he didn't address in any meaningful way what josh steinglass referred to, smoking guns, exhibits 35 and 36, for everyone not in the weeds, the hand written noegts by allen weisselberg and jeff mcconny detailing the payments. >> i think most people have memorized the exhibit numbers. >> i hope so. >> they wrote down their plot. >> exactly. the problem was is that...
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david pecker basically went in and out with basically minimal cross but incredibly damaging. hope hicks, same thing. jeff mcconney, same thing. stormy daniels, doesn't matter. it really doesn't matter whether you believe her or not. of minimal relevance. but that's the witness you're going to die on that hill. that is the client. you know, that is not a todd blanche, you know, you can fault him, but ultimately just remember in a criminal case, defendant is actually in control and then that's what a good defense lawyer has to deal with. so the case was not defended well. it reminds me very much of the e. jean carroll case where it went from bad to worse. and that, clearly, i think was also donald trump so. he really only has himself to blame for this. >> you mentioned todd blanche, and rachel mentioned the interview todd blanche had done, so we're going to play a clip of that as well, because it kind of raises all sorts of questions itself. >> how involved was donald trump in his own defense? >> i mean, what do you think? i mean, very involved. he's a smart guy. he knows what
david pecker basically went in and out with basically minimal cross but incredibly damaging. hope hicks, same thing. jeff mcconney, same thing. stormy daniels, doesn't matter. it really doesn't matter whether you believe her or not. of minimal relevance. but that's the witness you're going to die on that hill. that is the client. you know, that is not a todd blanche, you know, you can fault him, but ultimately just remember in a criminal case, defendant is actually in control and then that's...
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going back to the tabloid chief david pecker. hicks testifying she asked because trump wanted to speak. with him. so she connected the two of them. but she did more than that. she also connected the dots. if this sounds like it is bad and damning evidence against donald trump, it is. i would remind you that just because it sounds bad doesn't mean the story is over or he is guilty. he is legally presumed innocent and they have to use the high bar of beyond a reasonable doubt for 12 people. so if they convince ten or 11 people that it really happened and it amounts to this crime, they need all 12. we are not saying it is it more likely than not. we are looking at how this evidence moved with the jury. we have melissa and andrew here as part of our special leading us off when we are back in 90 seconds. back in 90 seconds. when you have chronic kidney disease, there are places you'd like to be. like here. and here. not so much here. farxiga reduces the risk of kidney failure which can lead to dialysis. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪♪ farxig
going back to the tabloid chief david pecker. hicks testifying she asked because trump wanted to speak. with him. so she connected the two of them. but she did more than that. she also connected the dots. if this sounds like it is bad and damning evidence against donald trump, it is. i would remind you that just because it sounds bad doesn't mean the story is over or he is guilty. he is legally presumed innocent and they have to use the high bar of beyond a reasonable doubt for 12 people. so if...
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pecker, without mr. trump's approval. how important is it that we have corroborating testimony from pro-trump witnesses? >> it's huge. michael cohen represented that he was stiffed on his bonus at the end of 2016 by almost two-thirds. david pecker in his testimony testified that michael cohen shared with him not only that he had been stiffed on his bonus but his outrage that trump by late december of 2016 hadn't repaid him. he asked pecker, could you talk to the boss about this? pecker said he then had a conversation with former president trump in which trump never answered him directly but mentioned michael cohen's significant wealth outside of the trump organization, including through his taxi medallion. so they said cohen paying on his own would be out of character and beyond any authority that he had and that he complained to pecker specifically about that, that's huge in terms of corroborating cohen's testimony. >> there's also the recording of michael cohen and trump discussing the karen acdougall payment. >> i spok
pecker, without mr. trump's approval. how important is it that we have corroborating testimony from pro-trump witnesses? >> it's huge. michael cohen represented that he was stiffed on his bonus at the end of 2016 by almost two-thirds. david pecker in his testimony testified that michael cohen shared with him not only that he had been stiffed on his bonus but his outrage that trump by late december of 2016 hadn't repaid him. he asked pecker, could you talk to the boss about this? pecker...
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he is just not as good a witness as someone like david pecker. and i think david pecker has been me tick meticulous and not emotional. at every point they backed it up with documents and i think a lot of people have watched this trial. and been really pleasantly surprised with just how organized and methodical the case they are making is. and that these more salacious characters like michael and stormy are coming in later. and less for the mechanics of the case. >> and i want to mention something that will be no surprise to you. but i didn't get time to mention it yesterday. we, everyone in court, most importantly the jurors, spent over an hour staring at a screen with this log of text and it was zoomed out so you couldn't make an individual one. over 15 text ins a row. and they would zoom in on one and come out. and zoom in on another. and the experience, if you were not super interested in the content, might be like the worst accountant internship you have ever gotten. but it felt like not only in substance but tone, they were trying to mention
he is just not as good a witness as someone like david pecker. and i think david pecker has been me tick meticulous and not emotional. at every point they backed it up with documents and i think a lot of people have watched this trial. and been really pleasantly surprised with just how organized and methodical the case they are making is. and that these more salacious characters like michael and stormy are coming in later. and less for the mechanics of the case. >> and i want to mention...
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but i think that you will hear a lot about putting together pecker, hope hicks. and just how unlikely it would be that michael cohen, why they would keep it from donald trump. so i think you will hear that is the main battleground. substantiatively, that will be the main issue. >> i agree. to the piece of this proving there was an agreement to unlawfully influence the election, there is just so much evidence from so many different how the whole meeting in august of 2015 was set up. direct conversations not just between donald trump, also hearing about the fact that even after the election, not just david pecker but hope hicks or both having donald trump say if either of these stories whether it is karen mcdougal or stormy daniels got out, it would have been damaging to the campaign and i don't see any way that you would describe why for stormy daniels they were delaying the payments if the purpose was just to prevent embarrassment to his family or to himself and not to the campaign. the timing doesn't add up. otherwise, you just made the payment at any point. i t
but i think that you will hear a lot about putting together pecker, hope hicks. and just how unlikely it would be that michael cohen, why they would keep it from donald trump. so i think you will hear that is the main battleground. substantiatively, that will be the main issue. >> i agree. to the piece of this proving there was an agreement to unlawfully influence the election, there is just so much evidence from so many different how the whole meeting in august of 2015 was set up. direct...
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david pecker said with respect to the doorman. the case is really about the stormy daniels payments and hope hicks a reluctant witness who said you are within the trump campaign that donald trump told her that he was aware that michael cohen made hush money payments. he only learned after the fact that, by the way. does not matter. as long as he knew it and learned it before he made all of the reimbursement payments. that is good enough. >> if you reimburse someone for buying you crack, you are still on the hook. >> yep. and so, she gave that, she also suggested that she did not believe that donald trump's story that this was something that michael cohen did out of the goodness of his heart. that is not who he is and he likes to take credit for things. she also said i don't really believe that story and her words are substance. but it does not matter. you will hear from the da. does not matter if she believes him or not. as long as you actually now have donald trump knowing about the hush money payments to stormy daniels that is t
david pecker said with respect to the doorman. the case is really about the stormy daniels payments and hope hicks a reluctant witness who said you are within the trump campaign that donald trump told her that he was aware that michael cohen made hush money payments. he only learned after the fact that, by the way. does not matter. as long as he knew it and learned it before he made all of the reimbursement payments. that is good enough. >> if you reimburse someone for buying you crack,...
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the testimony of david pecker and much more with special coverage beginning at 8 p.m. eastern. rachel maddow and all of our primetime friends will be here for the coverage. i'll be back. now the beat with ari melber. hi, ari. >> we have a lot to get to. i will see you at 8. >> welcome to the beat. i'm ari melber. these are extraordinary times. we're watching history unfold at the supreme court which heard arguments about putting a president on trial. historic, unprecedented, all the words are true about this one. no other president has been indicted like this. trump's lawyers arguing he should be immune, basically totally immune because he was president during those efforts. that is a new relatively made up claim which they lost unanimously before the respected d.c. court of appeals. keep that in mind. that is the recent precedent and context for today, and you may remember that was the now infamous hearing where the trump lawyer openly claimed that as president trump could have a license to kill american opponents. that was the kind of chilling talk that many, many people acro
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they started with the first witness, david pecker, for how all of this came about. this catch and kill deal with trump and cohen. so the order they are going in, i'm not surprised. they are telling a story and building up to cohen being their star witness. he's got to be watching this. he has to be hearing what's being said. >> he has been doing a lot of tick-tock, i know he is watching. >> i want to say that the prosecution's warning him against that, but that is something he can be cross- examined on. i am not surprised by the strategy of the prosecution. >> really interesting point. especially your expertise on how these criminal defense lawyers work. thanks so much for being here. >> thank you. >>> up next, as mentioned, the historian douglas brinkley. as we live through history together. i'm excited about this one and that's when we come back. early retirements possible, and startups start up. because it's smart, dependable, and steady. all words you want from your bank. for nearly 160 years, pnc bank has been brilliantly boring so you can be happily fulfilled.
they started with the first witness, david pecker, for how all of this came about. this catch and kill deal with trump and cohen. so the order they are going in, i'm not surprised. they are telling a story and building up to cohen being their star witness. he's got to be watching this. he has to be hearing what's being said. >> he has been doing a lot of tick-tock, i know he is watching. >> i want to say that the prosecution's warning him against that, but that is something he can...
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>> like i said, ari, look, i think putting pecker on the stand and really laying out the scheme and the context of the scheme was really important. i thought the cross-examination of davidson was very interesting because it fed into the whole thing. i think that one defense lawyer may choose not to cross examine, and the way he did to destroy his credibility. because by doing that, i think what they really did was just show that he had the creds, or participating in a thing that pecker described. while the defense lawyers want to paint this as this happens every day, this is the way it's done, none of the people that they got on cross-examination were running for president. none of the people that they talked about on cross-examination had obligations under federal election law to make truthful entries. so i think that what karen mcdougal talked about with anderson cooper was kind of acknowledgement that this is the scheme, that what you're doing is, you know, creating this false story, trashing the truth, and hiding everything, and it feeds right into the whole story that david pecker
>> like i said, ari, look, i think putting pecker on the stand and really laying out the scheme and the context of the scheme was really important. i thought the cross-examination of davidson was very interesting because it fed into the whole thing. i think that one defense lawyer may choose not to cross examine, and the way he did to destroy his credibility. because by doing that, i think what they really did was just show that he had the creds, or participating in a thing that pecker...
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he's just not as good a witness as someone like david pecker and i think david pecker has been meticulous and not emotional. you know, he's gone through the story in a very clear way and then they backed at every point, they backed it up with documents. i think a lot of people have watched this trial and been really pleasantly surprised with just how organized and methodical the case they're making is and that these more salacious characters stormy aren later and more for color. >> i want to mention something that will be no surprise to you, but i didn't get time to mention it yesterday when i was in court in our coverage. in court yesterday, we, everyone in court, including most importantly, the jurors, spent over an hour staring at a screen with this log of texts and it was zoomed out so you couldn't make out any individual one. but over 15 texts in like a row. then they would zoom in on one and come out. the experience might be like the worst accountant internship you've ever gotten, but it felt like not only in substance but in tone, they were trying to show the jury as i mentioned in
he's just not as good a witness as someone like david pecker and i think david pecker has been meticulous and not emotional. you know, he's gone through the story in a very clear way and then they backed at every point, they backed it up with documents. i think a lot of people have watched this trial and been really pleasantly surprised with just how organized and methodical the case they're making is and that these more salacious characters stormy aren later and more for color. >> i want...
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and that involved the national enquirer and someone named david pecker. this is the only information i'm describing. david pecker testified in front of the grand jury he met, and that's the word federal prosecutors used in their memorandum. trump met with david pecker to do a cash and kill scheme where the national enquirer would pay off anyone coming with bad information about donald trump before the election. >> so with or without cohen, you think the d.a. can put that conservative media magnate on the stand and he has first person damning testimony against trump? >> i only can use the word "can," thank you. i won't say will. but i will say data, e-mails, text messages, telephone calls, a calender, all the way through the moment in time three days before the election to show his motive was political. when he told and directed cohen according to federal prosecutors who worked for donald trump, directed cohen to pay the $130,000 not for his benefit, in order to cover up, to prevent the american people from knowing three days before a close election that h
and that involved the national enquirer and someone named david pecker. this is the only information i'm describing. david pecker testified in front of the grand jury he met, and that's the word federal prosecutors used in their memorandum. trump met with david pecker to do a cash and kill scheme where the national enquirer would pay off anyone coming with bad information about donald trump before the election. >> so with or without cohen, you think the d.a. can put that conservative...
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trump was apparently in the loop about the sorted tabloid views including with the tabloid chief, david pecker. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david. i spoke with allen about it when it comes to the financing. >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay -- >> oh, no, no, no, no, no. >> pay with cash. if you've watched the beat i've watched this before. i bet you the jury is going to get an earful about this because it's so bad with trump. in that private secret setting he may have thought it would never come out. he clearly didn't know cohen would -- >> he said we can pay with cash to continue to hide it. he didn't plan to tell the truth, tell the irs, anything like that. cohen says no, no, no. the what happens next is why the d.a. says they are so confident they can nail him, bring home the case and win it. this is our special report. we're going to fit in a break and i'm going to show you that damning evidence when we come back in 90 seconds. ds from the #1 rated brand in cordless outdoor power, the ego zero-turn riding mower with e-steer
trump was apparently in the loop about the sorted tabloid views including with the tabloid chief, david pecker. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david. i spoke with allen about it when it comes to the financing. >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay -- >> oh, no, no, no, no, no. >> pay with cash. if you've watched the beat i've watched this before. i bet you the jury is going to get an earful about this...
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then client trump about the money they were going to pay to the tabloids through their friend david pecker. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david. i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing which -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay -- >> pay with cash. >> no, no, no, no, no. >> and cohen then clearly making a big deal out of the fact that they didn't want to do cash, cash was suspicious so cohen made those payments himself and then was reimbursed by donald trump and you have the checks. you have the receipts. as i told you, this is the part of the case that is proven on paper. prosecutors want to show something larger though. they already have the paper receipts. they want to detail how this was a larger campaign crime. as you may know if you follow news and politics, you can't just give and take money to candidates. if you could, there would be a lot of corruption. every donation has to be marked and there's a cap on donation. basically, this was a catch and kill scheme where a lot of money was used off t
then client trump about the money they were going to pay to the tabloids through their friend david pecker. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david. i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing which -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay -- >> pay with cash. >> no, no, no, no, no. >> and cohen then clearly making a big deal out of the fact that they didn't want to do cash, cash was...
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. >> i think putting pecker on the stand and really laying out the scheme and the context for the scheme was important. i thought it was interesting because it fed into the whole thing. because i think that one defense lawyer, by doing that, i think what they really did was show that he had the creds. this is a very sordid thing. while the defense lawyers want to paint this as this happens every day. this is the way it is done. none of the people they got on cross-examination were running for president. none of the people they talked about in cross-examination had obligations under federal election law. to make truthful entries. what karen mcdougal talked about was this was the acknowledgment of the scheme. creating this false story, trashing the truth and hiding everything and it feeds into the whole story that david pecker laid out. >> and lance, davidson is being pulled in. and he is dealing with the enquirer but he is also dealing with cohen so over time, he has a very firsthand understanding that yes, it might be a cut-out or intermediary for the rest of the world. right? but he act
. >> i think putting pecker on the stand and really laying out the scheme and the context for the scheme was important. i thought it was interesting because it fed into the whole thing. because i think that one defense lawyer, by doing that, i think what they really did was show that he had the creds. this is a very sordid thing. while the defense lawyers want to paint this as this happens every day. this is the way it is done. none of the people they got on cross-examination were running...
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michael cohen did this or david pecker did this. i didn't do anything. and the prosecution is really needing to understand how this all links up together and donald trump doesn't have to be the one actually doing it to be part of the scheme. >> yeah. and you made the legal analogy to culpable when someone doesn't have their finger on the trigger, which brings us back to the eastern district, where then prosecutor wiseman dealt with a lot of mafia cases and the higher up the line you go, the less likely they were physically carrying out a battery or a violence or a murder. and yet you bring those cases nonetheless. sometimes the most important people are in that position. i'm also now wondering whether the national enquirer is in the faculty lounge. is that down there, keep an eye on it. no, that is the answer. and we want to lean further on your experience as we look at the defense side of the case. melissa, good to see you. thank you. by the end of the hour we'll look at how maga is melting down over trump's peril. >> every campaign stop is crucial. don
michael cohen did this or david pecker did this. i didn't do anything. and the prosecution is really needing to understand how this all links up together and donald trump doesn't have to be the one actually doing it to be part of the scheme. >> yeah. and you made the legal analogy to culpable when someone doesn't have their finger on the trigger, which brings us back to the eastern district, where then prosecutor wiseman dealt with a lot of mafia cases and the higher up the line you go,...
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and i just want to go back to david pecker because i think for many of us, including myself, that changed the way i thought about the case. that was -- >> the way he testified? >> that he was saying this is a scheme to -- the way it got phrased in opening was there is this back end false business record crime. that is the coverup. it is the coverup of the first part of his scheme, which is 2016 election interference where it may have made the difference, but it doesn't matter, that was the intent. this is your point -- >> because you're on the chronology, let's see if we can get -- is there a wider shot we can take of the entire press conference area? i believe on the right we're going to see what you're talking about, andrew. again, we are waiting for the d.a. >> that looks like a relatively familiar chart. >> i think that's the same chart they used when they launched this to explain the funneling of the money and how it became this criminal conspiracy. why it was different than what trump's lawyers argued repeatedly in their defense, that there are secrecy contracts that are legal. some
and i just want to go back to david pecker because i think for many of us, including myself, that changed the way i thought about the case. that was -- >> the way he testified? >> that he was saying this is a scheme to -- the way it got phrased in opening was there is this back end false business record crime. that is the coverup. it is the coverup of the first part of his scheme, which is 2016 election interference where it may have made the difference, but it doesn't matter, that...
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so when you add to that, the jury is going to be reminded by the prosecution, which is what david pecker said about that original meeting in trump tower, and about the fact that it was not in the interest of his business interests to be paying off women and concerns about things that corroborate a lot of critical points that michael cohen has made. when you think about the fact hope hicks reiterated there was real concern on the side of the campaign, that donald trump was concerned, when you consider the fact there has been reinforcement about it, i mean, if they believed michael cohen, but again, a lot of the points they landed didn't go to some of that testimony, or his demeanor. so what can be easy to forget when you have one witness on the stand, and a lot of hits landed is that when are they really going to remember about what they have heard over the past weeks and how the prosecution is going to land, reminding them of the facts of the case and how is the judge going to tell the jury what these instructions are about their burden, because all of this will be part of what this jury
so when you add to that, the jury is going to be reminded by the prosecution, which is what david pecker said about that original meeting in trump tower, and about the fact that it was not in the interest of his business interests to be paying off women and concerns about things that corroborate a lot of critical points that michael cohen has made. when you think about the fact hope hicks reiterated there was real concern on the side of the campaign, that donald trump was concerned, when you...
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what the prosecutors did, which was very smart, it started with david pecker. michael cohen has become a piece of this. it turns out he's been an excellent witness. he's kept his cool. he's done what he needed to do on cross, but the case was expansive and sort of brought in a way that made it really about more than that. they had the documents and had the people saying this was campaign money, this was a donation. >> lanny, what did you think about the whole exchange regarding this other lawyer costello whatever he was up to? what would a jury make of that? it seemed to make the people in trump's orbit look bad. >> well, yeah, because i was there on the day that he came in and volunteered after the prosecution was finished with the grand jury and he came in and said he wanted to testify before the grand jury. of course, the prosecutor team said, yes. i had to come up from washington. i could use the yiddish word schlep up from washington. we went to the grand jury and waited for the testimony to be over. when it was over, the grand jury said they weren't inter
what the prosecutors did, which was very smart, it started with david pecker. michael cohen has become a piece of this. it turns out he's been an excellent witness. he's kept his cool. he's done what he needed to do on cross, but the case was expansive and sort of brought in a way that made it really about more than that. they had the documents and had the people saying this was campaign money, this was a donation. >> lanny, what did you think about the whole exchange regarding this other...
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their false business records, yes, donald trump was involved in this conspiracy with david pecker and the national inquirer to promote his election by unlawful means. but he never actually caused the filing of the false business records. and that is all they need to argue and they need to win over one jury on that point. so i think by the way, under new york law, the jury doesn't get to keep the instructions. they are read the instructions. they can ask questions later but they don't get the instructions back in the jury room. so, maybe it will go over their heads. >> why make it easy and straightforward? >> right. >> i have always found that odd. >> there is really no reason that they don't. >> it is a stupid rule. >> also, they haven't released any of the jury charge to the public. >> we will see that eventually. >> we'll see the judge's final one. but both sides have proposed jury instructions and nobody has seen those either. >> yeah. duncan from the da's office. appreciate you joining us. >> yeah. absolutely. >>> coming up, we look at this issue of the lies and conspiracy theorie
their false business records, yes, donald trump was involved in this conspiracy with david pecker and the national inquirer to promote his election by unlawful means. but he never actually caused the filing of the false business records. and that is all they need to argue and they need to win over one jury on that point. so i think by the way, under new york law, the jury doesn't get to keep the instructions. they are read the instructions. they can ask questions later but they don't get the...
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you have david pecker from the national enquirer. and you have stormy daniel's lawyer. creating a set of buffers and you have the alleged conspiracy. hopefully by the time from the prosecutor's point of view, they are set up to believe him because all of these other people have put the building blocks there for him to stand on, so to speak. >> emily, what do you make of how quickly the violating posts by trump came down once the judge said you violated this. and you might go to jail if you don't shape up? >> this is the judge's courtroom. he gets to make the rules and trump can bait him into the kind of fines we saw today and the threat of jail time. you see trump moving to protect himself from these consequences. all of a sudden the more dominating approach has a real cost. and his lawyers say you can't have this during the trial. >> emily, i showed earlier the actual video of trump. i always mention what the jury is experiencing is different from the rest of us and some of us may be over informed. i wouldn't expect random citizens of this or any state to remember oh y
you have david pecker from the national enquirer. and you have stormy daniel's lawyer. creating a set of buffers and you have the alleged conspiracy. hopefully by the time from the prosecutor's point of view, they are set up to believe him because all of these other people have put the building blocks there for him to stand on, so to speak. >> emily, what do you make of how quickly the violating posts by trump came down once the judge said you violated this. and you might go to jail if...
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yes, donald trump was involved in this conspiracy with david pecker and the national enquirer to promote his election by unlawful means, but he never caused the filing of the false business records. that's all they need to argue and win over one juror. under new york law, the jury doesn't keep the instructions. they're read the instructions. they can ask questions later. >> why make it easy and straightforward, right? >> yeah. >> i've always found that odd. >> there's no reason. >> it's a stupid rule. >> also, they haven't released any of the proposed jury charge to the public yet. >> we will see that eventually. >> we'll see the judge's final one. both sides have proposed jury instructions and nobody's seen those. >> duncan levine, appreciate you joining us. >>> coming up, we look at this issue of the lies and conspiracy theories that feed the maga moment with a special guest who has tangled with them. has tangl. his risk of a second attack hasn't. mike is still living in the red. with a very high risk of another heart attack or stroke. he doesn't know with his risk factors his ldl-c (b
yes, donald trump was involved in this conspiracy with david pecker and the national enquirer to promote his election by unlawful means, but he never caused the filing of the false business records. that's all they need to argue and win over one juror. under new york law, the jury doesn't keep the instructions. they're read the instructions. they can ask questions later. >> why make it easy and straightforward, right? >> yeah. >> i've always found that odd. >> there's no...
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the witnesses in this case, it's not just michael cohen, it's also david pecker, who was the head of the national inquirer with the indictment alleges is a scheme to basically catch and kill individuals who were offering information on donald trump to keep that from the voting public in 2016. >> and that became a crime of lying to the government and potentially related election crime. when you say other things, you mean he was not the lawyer at the time this went down. >> he does know a lot of things that most people don't know whether you like it or not. you might be thinking that he's just criticizing the d.a. or whatever your reasons are. he knows what stormy daniels' state of mind was at the time this came out in '18. how he dealt with mr. cohen at that time. he and mr. cohen both went to prison. what did you think of his concern about cohen as a witness? >> sure, cohen has a problems as a witness, but a question of the jury is not whether he lied in the past. it's whether you can believe him now. >> i will say and fairness and criticism applies to both lawyers. then and now. >>
the witnesses in this case, it's not just michael cohen, it's also david pecker, who was the head of the national inquirer with the indictment alleges is a scheme to basically catch and kill individuals who were offering information on donald trump to keep that from the voting public in 2016. >> and that became a crime of lying to the government and potentially related election crime. when you say other things, you mean he was not the lawyer at the time this went down. >> he does...
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i think she is a good witness and more importantly, she is sort of after someone like pecker who didn't have that animus. to have someone involved and was the reason they are there in the first place is important. >> and when you look at that, in regard to what i mentioned in the setup, the trump defense is michael cohen is lying. he set this up. everyone else is lying. trump didn't know what was going on. oh, stormy daniels was lying. there wasn't any encounter. some of the other people can only punch back without trump there. in the room of the story. reasonable doubt might be well, that's your view. and we have all seen situations and i have seen cases where people have genuine misunderstands about something that happened. this lie is two people are in the room and either they had this encounter or not. and on that core point, do you think that the jury was able to see that she was paid. i don't have to pretend they are all equally reasonable theories. that she made it up and they paid her anyway? that's their defense. >> yeah. and there were little details like what she saw in his k
i think she is a good witness and more importantly, she is sort of after someone like pecker who didn't have that animus. to have someone involved and was the reason they are there in the first place is important. >> and when you look at that, in regard to what i mentioned in the setup, the trump defense is michael cohen is lying. he set this up. everyone else is lying. trump didn't know what was going on. oh, stormy daniels was lying. there wasn't any encounter. some of the other people...
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so i think she's a good witness, and i think more importantly she's sort of after someone like pecker who didn't have that animus, to have have someone who was really involved and is the reason that they're there in the first place i think is important. >> yeah. and molly, when you look at that with regard to what i mentioned in our setup, the trump defense is michael cohen's lying, he set this up. everyone else is lying. oh, stormy daniels is lying, there wasn't any encounter. and while some of those people can only punch back without trump there in the room of the story meaning if it's a documents case you have people in trump world and elsewhere saying we viewed it as definitely trump, but a reasonable doubt might be, well, that's your view. and we've all seen situations and i've seen cases where people have genuine differences of -- a misunderstanding of something that happened. this part of the story, this lie, right, if they prove that he's lying is well, two people were in the room and either they had this encounter, intimate encounter or not. and on that core point, do you thi
so i think she's a good witness, and i think more importantly she's sort of after someone like pecker who didn't have that animus, to have have someone who was really involved and is the reason that they're there in the first place i think is important. >> yeah. and molly, when you look at that with regard to what i mentioned in our setup, the trump defense is michael cohen's lying, he set this up. everyone else is lying. oh, stormy daniels is lying, there wasn't any encounter. and while...
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with the campaign and politics, check that box as guilty and of course you heard hope hicks, david pecker and the attorney for stormy daniels think this was about the campaign, not about his wife. so check that box, no michael cohen testimony needed. the second one is a little bit more difficult to understand. his testimony when he called keith schiller and schiller hands the phone to donald trump, everybody knew the way michael anyone communicated with trump was to call keith schiller. the fact that he did mention that he was also being harassed and he mentioned that to schiller and perry mason moment well, an attorney screaming you why dozen evidence, so what is the second question for the jury? did donald trump lie when he called the payments to stormy daniels and the repayments to michael: legal fees? and there is a document that you don't need michael cohen for to decide whether they were legal fees or reimbursements for legal acts. that document speaks for itself. i think that's fair. i think that is fair and i have told viewers, part of this case is on paper and it shows donald tru
with the campaign and politics, check that box as guilty and of course you heard hope hicks, david pecker and the attorney for stormy daniels think this was about the campaign, not about his wife. so check that box, no michael cohen testimony needed. the second one is a little bit more difficult to understand. his testimony when he called keith schiller and schiller hands the phone to donald trump, everybody knew the way michael anyone communicated with trump was to call keith schiller. the...