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is kevin dole here? c'mon up. >> good afternoon, supervisors. this would be a reappointment for me. i was appointed last may to finish out the term for district one and appointed by my fellow committee members. before that there was not a regular record of minutes. i have taken that on and taken on general communication duties with city government's website and other organizations. i have helped with vacant in district 2 and 10 and for briefing in bicycle theft and deaths of cyclist especially last year when we lost four cyclist. and coordinated small improvement repairs to the bike infrastructure in the city and participated in workshops with sf mta for larger scale infrastructure issues. i have enjoyed this opportunity immensely and i have put a lot of time and energy into it and i hope that i will be repointed today. >> thank you. >>supervisor norman yee: thank you. any questions? i just want to make comment. i noticed that your attendance record is perfect and i wanted to commends you for having a perfect rerd because a lot of times when i look at people's attendance records whe
is kevin dole here? c'mon up. >> good afternoon, supervisors. this would be a reappointment for me. i was appointed last may to finish out the term for district one and appointed by my fellow committee members. before that there was not a regular record of minutes. i have taken that on and taken on general communication duties with city government's website and other organizations. i have helped with vacant in district 2 and 10 and for briefing in bicycle theft and deaths of cyclist...
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but before that, i want to ask associate superintendent kevin truitt if he could come up real quick and explain to us, because i think it's important practically what this means for us moving forward right now? what are the things that we're going do as a district if this passs? there was a lot in the resolution, but specifically what is going to happen and what it means in terms of what we communicate and what next steps you have planned? >> good evening, superintendent and commissioners. we have been working with commissioner haney on the gun safety/gun buyback resolution and we have prepared a letter to go home to all of the families. this letter, commissioner haney, correct me if i'm wrong, it was sent from congress as a suggestion for several school districts to take part in gun safety awareness. and so we have revised that letter, and we'll have that letter translated. we have the flier for the gun buyback program that will be held here december 13th in san francisco. that will be on another side of the letter to be sent home. the holt health curriculum already includes gun safety
but before that, i want to ask associate superintendent kevin truitt if he could come up real quick and explain to us, because i think it's important practically what this means for us moving forward right now? what are the things that we're going do as a district if this passs? there was a lot in the resolution, but specifically what is going to happen and what it means in terms of what we communicate and what next steps you have planned? >> good evening, superintendent and...
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. >> kevin stall and nicole schneider a madeline. >> good afternoon. i'm kevin i'm a pedestrian safety organizer at the city collaborative i work with tenants who live in the tenderloin in signal hotels and they're one of the most vulnerable people in the city they're seniors and disabled and low income and people that have families because of that they're in this part of the city they're having the most dangerous intersections and corridors with the highest collisions and fatalities because of this we support the day lighting project to remove the parking spaces around the corner so the visibility of vehicles coming into the intersection will be able to see the people cross the street and the pedestrians can keep eye contract with the vehicles because the removal of parking is i mean, i'm not against parking but a precious human life can't be replaced we totally support the work you are doing and make sure that zero fatalities in 10 years. >> colleagues your supporting him thank you very much. >> nicole schneider. >> others. >> good afternoon again bo
. >> kevin stall and nicole schneider a madeline. >> good afternoon. i'm kevin i'm a pedestrian safety organizer at the city collaborative i work with tenants who live in the tenderloin in signal hotels and they're one of the most vulnerable people in the city they're seniors and disabled and low income and people that have families because of that they're in this part of the city they're having the most dangerous intersections and corridors with the highest collisions and...
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i'm kevin with the harvey milk school i am here to talk about see signatures from one hundred parents on this letter we're presenting it to you tonight and excuse me. if you have a private conversation take it outside sir, you may go on. >> the letter requests intervention from this 80 city hall 0 address the issues that require earthquake attention those of us who have signed those letters we have students and we'll present those situations i want to take my time to give you a brief overview of the letters there are high turnovers the teachers from harvey milk and this is children who have failed to learn and chronic lack of substitute teachers when the substitute teachers are not there the children are dispersed to the other classrooms and declining engrossment to the tent that 70 percent of the people living in the castro area won't list harvey milk as an option on their applications and resistance from the administration key teachers to get involve and the attempt to form a pat the teachers have voted against it we the parents of harvey milk demand the district work us with a comp
i'm kevin with the harvey milk school i am here to talk about see signatures from one hundred parents on this letter we're presenting it to you tonight and excuse me. if you have a private conversation take it outside sir, you may go on. >> the letter requests intervention from this 80 city hall 0 address the issues that require earthquake attention those of us who have signed those letters we have students and we'll present those situations i want to take my time to give you a brief...
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thank you, kevin. >> other councilmembers? >> councilmember senhaux? >> i want to piggy back with her and thank you for being here and when you talk about your job and your experience. when you talked about veterans disability, there seems to be more education in the employers perspective for how they see a veteran so they can be educated to not only accommodate them and not necessarily to out rule them that they can't be part of society and working. i appreciate you are focusing on that aspect which is a barrier, the stigma around that disability and their situations. i thank you for what you do and for being here in educating us. >> councilmember kostanian? >> each time one of you swords of plow shares comes to talk to the community you have encouraged emotion. it allows us to see not just you, but the issues that you can talk about to come through. i applaud you for your courage and thank you for coming today. >> thank you for having me. >> i taught you, didn't i? >> i would like to echo the comments. thank you for coming today and talking about not
thank you, kevin. >> other councilmembers? >> councilmember senhaux? >> i want to piggy back with her and thank you for being here and when you talk about your job and your experience. when you talked about veterans disability, there seems to be more education in the employers perspective for how they see a veteran so they can be educated to not only accommodate them and not necessarily to out rule them that they can't be part of society and working. i appreciate you are...
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i'm kevin carol the executive director of the hotel council mr. kim and the golden gate grill reached it out work with our hotels and we immediately succeed them to mr. padilla to see if there's questions that process and the way he reached out speaks to his business and happy to work with on on a couple of boards we're supportive of this permit he's a great example how he works for and with the community and we recommend you approve this permit for him as well thank you for your time thank you. >> thank you. >> good evening, commissioners i'm asking you approve this golden gate taproom because i am part of the edition 6 i had a chance to hear they're about their project it is wonderful venue especially for 3 area so thank you. >> do we have any other public comment all right. seeing none, public comment is closed the matter is with the commission. >> so i'm family are mr. kim he owns a lot of well-managed successful businesses along that roaming run clurgz laura stein his place will not be a problem because of the way he operates his other busine
i'm kevin carol the executive director of the hotel council mr. kim and the golden gate grill reached it out work with our hotels and we immediately succeed them to mr. padilla to see if there's questions that process and the way he reached out speaks to his business and happy to work with on on a couple of boards we're supportive of this permit he's a great example how he works for and with the community and we recommend you approve this permit for him as well thank you for your time thank...
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more importantly i believe, kevin will talk about this more is that you are not taking a risk with a veteran especially when you are talking about our employment and training. over 65 percent of those who are replaced in job kept their job for at least six 6 months. you do not take a risk when you bring on a veteran because of supposed disabilities. a reasonable accommodation is the same reasonable accommodation that we want our employers to keep in mind. we are not going to send our veterans to a construction place to do a job if they need a service dog. we are mindful ourselves because it's a dual can an -- customer approach. we want to stress the fact that our veterans are not going to be just sent to you because they are veterans and we don't want some type of sympathy. we do want sympathy, understanding a reasonable accommodation for a non-veteran is a same accommodation for a veteran. that's what our employment training program does. we take anybody that comes to that oofs that says i want to be trained and we assess them case by case by individual. i'm a staff sergeant in the
more importantly i believe, kevin will talk about this more is that you are not taking a risk with a veteran especially when you are talking about our employment and training. over 65 percent of those who are replaced in job kept their job for at least six 6 months. you do not take a risk when you bring on a veteran because of supposed disabilities. a reasonable accommodation is the same reasonable accommodation that we want our employers to keep in mind. we are not going to send our veterans...
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presentation by kevin c miller, strategic partnership associate. swords to plow shares. agenda item no. 10, ceremonial item in honor of derek zarda. agenda item no. 11. report from the disability disaster preparedness committee. agenda item no. 12. public comment. items not on today's agenda but within the jurisdiction of the mdc. agenda item no. 13, correspondence agenda item no. 14, councilmember comments and announcements. item 15, adjourn. >> thank you. today as we continue the discussion with people on disabilities and employment to focus on bettering employment on disabilities it's important how to keep in mind how the two are connected. veterans returning from vietnam war had acquired disabilities. the anti-kwar movement gave rise to the disability rights movement in the 70s and veterans disabilities often crossed the threshold between the two communities and veterans got lost. soldiers returning from the recent conflicts, many of them with visible disabilities remind us that the connection is there and veterans with disabilities are still members of the disabilit
presentation by kevin c miller, strategic partnership associate. swords to plow shares. agenda item no. 10, ceremonial item in honor of derek zarda. agenda item no. 11. report from the disability disaster preparedness committee. agenda item no. 12. public comment. items not on today's agenda but within the jurisdiction of the mdc. agenda item no. 13, correspondence agenda item no. 14, councilmember comments and announcements. item 15, adjourn. >> thank you. today as we continue the...
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i am available for questions as well as kevin guy and tiffany boeing aloe, the executive director of ocii. ~ >> colleagues, any questions to city staff? ~ bogey okay, seeing none, unless there are any other presentations from city staff, why don't we open it up to public comment. any members of the public wish to comment on this item? >>> you know, dell see more. i've been kind of following this project and i'm not necessarily a big fan of putting the -- relocating those units in this neighborhood because the problem is if you have a very low-income or no income folks, they can't afford to shop in the neighborhood. so, i'm still in favor of relocating it to a neighborhood other than that. and that's a great idea, if we can tier down the homeowner fees that's a really good idea. and i know the state regulates that and maybe one of our members on the way to sacramento real soon could help out on changing that legislation in sacramento. because that would be a great idea if we can still stay by that policy and tier those homeowner fees. thank you. >> next speaker. >>> hello, my name is
i am available for questions as well as kevin guy and tiffany boeing aloe, the executive director of ocii. ~ >> colleagues, any questions to city staff? ~ bogey okay, seeing none, unless there are any other presentations from city staff, why don't we open it up to public comment. any members of the public wish to comment on this item? >>> you know, dell see more. i've been kind of following this project and i'm not necessarily a big fan of putting the -- relocating those units in...
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>> hello, everyone, i just wanted to thank kevin, chris, star, latonia and all other veterans here listening to your service. we need to remember these men and women took an oath, a pledge to keep our country safe. i just want people to know that. i myself was a combat medic in the army, when 911 hit, i was immediately deployed to the hospital. i have friends come back from war and they are not really the same and it's sad to see how our country treats the veterans. i really appreciate to see how swords of plow shares treats our veterans and i want you toe -- know there are many programs that can help our veterans. thank you. >> thank you. i do also have to ask in addition to that, are there any other comments within the audience or bridge line? seeing none, we'll move on to our next discussion item. discussion item no. 10. ceremonial item in honor of derek zarda. >> that is you. will you join me at the podium? picture time. >> it was a little interesting to watch him read it and realizing as he was reading it. we have joined the council at the same time and he has literally taken so much ch
>> hello, everyone, i just wanted to thank kevin, chris, star, latonia and all other veterans here listening to your service. we need to remember these men and women took an oath, a pledge to keep our country safe. i just want people to know that. i myself was a combat medic in the army, when 911 hit, i was immediately deployed to the hospital. i have friends come back from war and they are not really the same and it's sad to see how our country treats the veterans. i really appreciate to...
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thank you we're now opening it up for public comment i have two cards karen flood and kevin carol others line up b
thank you we're now opening it up for public comment i have two cards karen flood and kevin carol others line up b
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sponsored there's a list of them right here in particular i'd like to say to thank our lead sponsor making kevin corporation thank you very much (clapping) i have the great how shall of welcoming the board of trust father john harden fathered john many of you know is form director of st. anthony's she was the one that get the ball rowell open little new dining rumor in 2004 to raise the money when they said it was going to be define father john took the leap of faith and sunshine said full speed ahead god will provide and good idea has provided father john, please came forward and offer our blessing to our folks this morning. >> who's taking bets how long it's going to take before i start crying. (laughter) grass us he loving god we also give you thanks for the guest gift of life especially on this day for st. anthony's our model and guide bless all here present and those unable to be with us who have transcribed of their time, their latent and the treasure to the creation of this new dining room and norman in order to condition the miracle of jones street as we follow our instruction to feed th
sponsored there's a list of them right here in particular i'd like to say to thank our lead sponsor making kevin corporation thank you very much (clapping) i have the great how shall of welcoming the board of trust father john harden fathered john many of you know is form director of st. anthony's she was the one that get the ball rowell open little new dining rumor in 2004 to raise the money when they said it was going to be define father john took the leap of faith and sunshine said full...
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mohammed ali and bart moorely and people from trayvon to oscar to jordan to kenny g to a man named kevin and been shooting that i bullets hyperglycemia i'm here to say i've been going online and just learned the consumer i'm justicecy but you obviously people have me on google and yahoo people with asking me about my life in 1999, if i asking speak for people that make from zero a $800,000 in san francisco this is we talking take to people that do drugs i think if we have a fingertip your social security number and home address you can't be whether you're born here or not we must stop government from keeping sub illogically harming us it's about people move and i hope you know 10 doables 35 years ago was with jonestown and this friday we remembering harvey milk and moscone and housing has been a challenge in san francisco as you've heard the latest talk about housing here in san francisco so thank you - >> next speaker >> dear supervisors my name is ms. chiu my son david chiu just became the first asian-american leblthd to the assembly and i'd like for him to take chinese 10 a beginning
mohammed ali and bart moorely and people from trayvon to oscar to jordan to kenny g to a man named kevin and been shooting that i bullets hyperglycemia i'm here to say i've been going online and just learned the consumer i'm justicecy but you obviously people have me on google and yahoo people with asking me about my life in 1999, if i asking speak for people that make from zero a $800,000 in san francisco this is we talking take to people that do drugs i think if we have a fingertip your...
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. >> kevin o'brien. >> commissioner president wu and staff i'm coveting o'brien a member of the common wealth club any past history it was the past member of fox two in that position the number of projects issues that i was involved in the numbers in the many hundreds i was extremely aggressor in the group that fought the 8 washington project not only in money but any expertise in this field from my years of being involved with k t view i've observed dr. duffey and the common wealth group i've not seen a club so sensitive from the feedback their sensitivity to the you history of the building and the egging metrological and i'm astonished by their consistency and respond appropriately in changing their plans to meet the demands of people that had intelligent and appropriate feedback for a project i think it's been done i think this thing has begun on too long and tremendous improvement in the area and the building is in very poor condition i can't imagine anything that is better planned in the forest to do the right thing for the city and county of san francisco this has been the histor
. >> kevin o'brien. >> commissioner president wu and staff i'm coveting o'brien a member of the common wealth club any past history it was the past member of fox two in that position the number of projects issues that i was involved in the numbers in the many hundreds i was extremely aggressor in the group that fought the 8 washington project not only in money but any expertise in this field from my years of being involved with k t view i've observed dr. duffey and the common wealth...
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. >> good afternoon, commissioners i'm kevin the current chair of the revenue bond oversight committee today is the presentation that covers fiscal year 2013-2014 while i like to give you highlights of our activities in our finding for the chair in 2013-2014 our w consulting firmer looked at it telephone call to be on time and on budget and some of the key findings is it would not be finished on time and on budget that is due to the scheduling impacts for the unforeseen things at at dam that was confirmed by a firmer the conclusion is sf puc couldn't take additional measures for the cost overruns we've done we took the finding and recommended the corrective action as a consequence of the finding of that report the result of those corrective action will be evaluated in 2013-2014 but we want to say that or buck worked with the directors julie and current director to agree upon an assessment what or book has done is to evaluate the cost measures and operation and management costs as it relates to projects to insure that further budget revisions will not be needed that's for 2014-2015 in t
. >> good afternoon, commissioners i'm kevin the current chair of the revenue bond oversight committee today is the presentation that covers fiscal year 2013-2014 while i like to give you highlights of our activities in our finding for the chair in 2013-2014 our w consulting firmer looked at it telephone call to be on time and on budget and some of the key findings is it would not be finished on time and on budget that is due to the scheduling impacts for the unforeseen things at at dam...
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businesses who are the backbone the community aaron monday i'll be joining superintendent carranza society kevin truett and the high school marching band and students from the tenderloin community school and many others in celebrating celebration the whole week of activities open the city hall steps on 10:00 a.m. on monday please join us along with leaders from our parents to students but especially the advocates and educators that promote inclusion as a goal of our education programs and support for students in quality education with our diverse whether march due to disability or social economic status or preference or religious practices we've learn about our differences that recent part of on effort i know that president sandy fewer are promoting an ethnic requirement that is happening soon and supervisor yee's and supervisor kim and myself also advocated for that over the years with the city hall's i'm pleased as we support n president fewer will be promoting that as well as other kaerlts so join us on monday on the city hall step and next thursday december 4th is the accommodating shopping
businesses who are the backbone the community aaron monday i'll be joining superintendent carranza society kevin truett and the high school marching band and students from the tenderloin community school and many others in celebrating celebration the whole week of activities open the city hall steps on 10:00 a.m. on monday please join us along with leaders from our parents to students but especially the advocates and educators that promote inclusion as a goal of our education programs and...
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department of public works to serve another one of our disability access coordinate ors working with kevin generous -- jen son. >> he's been with us for 10 years. he says it's as long as he's been anywhere. long before john paul came to mod he had an increased mobility with access and he was one of the people who developed the standards for the accessibility guidelines and this goes back to 1990s. over the years, california code process was advancing, he was also serving with the abandoning -- banding commission. and everyone who sat necessity -- in the committee knows it's a slog, it takes passion and commitment. what we like about paul is most of all his passion. when he started working in the ada transition plan, we were in the early days, the infancy and we needed his guidance and focus to not only be able to develop the plan but advocate for the money and work with the managers and designers and the contractors and the department heads all of the different people that are involved in bringing these projects forward. it was really under his leadership that the city was able to start ma
department of public works to serve another one of our disability access coordinate ors working with kevin generous -- jen son. >> he's been with us for 10 years. he says it's as long as he's been anywhere. long before john paul came to mod he had an increased mobility with access and he was one of the people who developed the standards for the accessibility guidelines and this goes back to 1990s. over the years, california code process was advancing, he was also serving with the...
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kevin truitt for negotiating with commonsense media and having our instruction day at washington high school. i would also like to thank erica and assistant principal for having it at washington high school. the sac collaborated with the commonsense media and provided us student live forum by providing a social media toolkit to outreach to our student peers at washing ton high school. the sac promoted a healthy student environment where our peers are open to discuss issues with the sac represents and others such as classmates, teachers and principals in a positive and respectful way. in addition, this workshop incorporated internet safety and social media responsibility. such as anti-bullying awareness. being responsible on the web, and providing an open-door policy. so the student advisory council is open for anyone who has issues about any type of bullying. the next sac meeting will be next week, monday, november 24th, at 5:00 p.m. the student advisory council is a public council and anyone is welcome to attend your meetings. in addition, as an incentive, we will provide dinner for
kevin truitt for negotiating with commonsense media and having our instruction day at washington high school. i would also like to thank erica and assistant principal for having it at washington high school. the sac collaborated with the commonsense media and provided us student live forum by providing a social media toolkit to outreach to our student peers at washing ton high school. the sac promoted a healthy student environment where our peers are open to discuss issues with the sac...
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essan looper, betty trainer, kevin costey and jennifer ice cough. >> good morning, my name is ethan looper and the clubhouse director in the tenderloin, our tenderloin clubhouse, i currently live about a block away from boeddeker but i was born and raised on 20th and guerrero. first i want to ask you a rhetorical question. what can a park do? i went to the mission playground. i learned to swim. i lived near dolores park. it was safe for me to go there on my own. what can a park do? one of my parents told me i will not step foot inside boeddeker park and neither will my child because of what that park did to her. what can a park do? the tenderloin is a very special place, but because it's so densely populated we are right on top of one another. we can't thrive on top of one another. it's in our dna to do that. this park is no different. this model can thrive in the tenderloin because it's what we already do together, collective impact. as the master tenant, we are not bringing boys and girls club to the park, but we are bringing some of our values. i will share three that we are bringing. c
essan looper, betty trainer, kevin costey and jennifer ice cough. >> good morning, my name is ethan looper and the clubhouse director in the tenderloin, our tenderloin clubhouse, i currently live about a block away from boeddeker but i was born and raised on 20th and guerrero. first i want to ask you a rhetorical question. what can a park do? i went to the mission playground. i learned to swim. i lived near dolores park. it was safe for me to go there on my own. what can a park do? one of...
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ada requirements i've presented to the mta committee before and i've been working closely with both kevin jackson and carl johnson from the mayor's office and light house for the blind to see if we can come up with some new and innovative ways of identifying for the people who are visually impaired that they are actually at an scene of at an scene of at an intersection with a brt stop. >> thanks. >> i want to thank you for that presentation. i think it's a great project. my concern is also with the businesses that are in that corridor you know, in terms of the white zones and yellow zones will they get their deliveries we don't want people double parked to slow down traffic have we looked at how we're going to address that? >> it has has been brought up and as we get closer to construction -- the first time it will begin to seriously raise its head when we start the actual construction is we're going to have to work closely with police and parking and traffic to make sure that we have very stringent enforcement along van ness avenue the expectation is if we crack down early, we can preven
ada requirements i've presented to the mta committee before and i've been working closely with both kevin jackson and carl johnson from the mayor's office and light house for the blind to see if we can come up with some new and innovative ways of identifying for the people who are visually impaired that they are actually at an scene of at an scene of at an intersection with a brt stop. >> thanks. >> i want to thank you for that presentation. i think it's a great project. my concern...
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. >> good afternoon, commissioners i'm kevin with the planning staff this is an informational project rewarding the 5 m project i'm not going into the specifics about the land use i want to mention that staff or multiple agencies have been working on a comprehensive that is for a site comprehensive destine for development design and specific guidance on earth and streetscape improvements and other aspects of the project as well as guiding excuse me. guiding staff review of a future evolutionary projects and minor changes in massing in addition to the project sponsor they proposed a development agreement that allows the rental structure and other benefits of the project so this concludes my short presentation i'm available and i may emerge after the project sponsor and staff from oewd is available as well thank you very much. >> thank you project sponsor. >> get set up here good afternoon, commissioners ami is audrey i'm with 4 city working on the 5 m projects i'm to walk you on the math and the thinking of where we landed today and introducing our project architect to speak about the
. >> good afternoon, commissioners i'm kevin with the planning staff this is an informational project rewarding the 5 m project i'm not going into the specifics about the land use i want to mention that staff or multiple agencies have been working on a comprehensive that is for a site comprehensive destine for development design and specific guidance on earth and streetscape improvements and other aspects of the project as well as guiding excuse me. guiding staff review of a future...
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. >> good afternoon kevin with the office of economic workforce development we're unifying do agree we have to grapple this is a unique project it doesn't fit into existing zoning we look at the value in terms of the city and number of the types of benefits we assume and think that folks want don't fit into standard zoning sow we've been anticipating with the zoning agreement that fits with the project they trail the physical project it takes longer to get even though environmental duplicate than the negotiated agreement and we need to have a level of certainty about the physical project before we negotiate the community benefits so we are going to do that over the next few months and expect to be back in front of you before the approval with an update of the benefits with the agreement and the gentleman's comments how much more squeamish is building can you put on those parcels i mean; is that correct or maybe a question for the planning staff. >> i'll let planning staff address the physical question about the development i haven't seen the sheet if you could send me a copy we're look
. >> good afternoon kevin with the office of economic workforce development we're unifying do agree we have to grapple this is a unique project it doesn't fit into existing zoning we look at the value in terms of the city and number of the types of benefits we assume and think that folks want don't fit into standard zoning sow we've been anticipating with the zoning agreement that fits with the project they trail the physical project it takes longer to get even though environmental...