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but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please shut up. please just do your testifying in the courtroom, but the prosecutor does not control michael cohen. i'm not sure anyone controls michael cohen. so he's not doing the prosecution that he favors in a way that makes his testimony even more credible. although we know at the same time, that he now des dispiezs trump. with regard to the testimony of cohen, they want to hit it and quit it. >> paul and danny, i don't know what the rest of the trial holds when they reconvene on thursday, but the start of this has been pretty dog gone interesting. thank you both. i'm sure we'll speak again very s
but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please...
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michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on both sides of this, but in the context of the trial, what will the jury find as most believable, beyond a reasonable doubt? >> you can certainly almost always make an argument on both sides of any question. the question is can you make a credible argument on both sides? you're playing one audiotape. and it is important. but it is not going to be by itself determinative, chris. it will be important to corroborate what cohen says, it will be important to corroborate what pecker says, and it may corroborate what other pe
michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on...
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pecker did say that michael cohen was kind of full of himself. he was trying to put his fingers in everything, and he was acting like he was a campaign lawyer, but that wasn't his job. so that will support trump's defense that it wasn't his intent to try to win the election by shutting up stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, maybe that's something that michael cohen was trying to do, but trump will try to get the jury to think he didn't have anything to do with that, that michael cohen was a lone wolf. >> for the first time our team that has been inside the courthouse can join us live to talk about what they saw. i want to bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, msnbc contributor and "new york times" investigative correspondent sue craig, and legal analyst kristy greenberg as i always do, i want to get, first of all, lisa, just your big takeaways from the morning because, again, we're reading the document. we're not in there. but for the last day of what's been a long week, it sounds like there was some real moments in that courtroom. >> the
pecker did say that michael cohen was kind of full of himself. he was trying to put his fingers in everything, and he was acting like he was a campaign lawyer, but that wasn't his job. so that will support trump's defense that it wasn't his intent to try to win the election by shutting up stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, maybe that's something that michael cohen was trying to do, but trump will try to get the jury to think he didn't have anything to do with that, that michael cohen was a lone...
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she's going to be a super important witness because she doesn't have cohen's baggage, michael cohen's baggage. it's the opposite. hope hicks was team trump all the way during the period that's the subject of this indictment. so it makes her especially credible. she's going to be able to connect the hush money payments with trump's presidential ambitions. that's what prosecution also needed david pecker to do. to link the catch and kill agreement to the campaign, and that's exactly what he did. so, again, the defense tried to attack pecker's credibility in order to testify. they didn't score big points, and they're not going to be able to go there with hope hicks. she's going to be a strong witness for the prosecution. >> you know, jeremy, before the break, defense spent a lot of time grilling david pecker about a non-prosecution agreement, the jurors learned an awful lot about catch and kill. on one hand, it's pretty straightforward, right? catch and kill is you find out that there's a story that you want to bury, you pay for it, and you make sure they sign an agreement that says nobo
she's going to be a super important witness because she doesn't have cohen's baggage, michael cohen's baggage. it's the opposite. hope hicks was team trump all the way during the period that's the subject of this indictment. so it makes her especially credible. she's going to be able to connect the hush money payments with trump's presidential ambitions. that's what prosecution also needed david pecker to do. to link the catch and kill agreement to the campaign, and that's exactly what he did....
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you tell him that if he continues to talk on social media about witnesses like michael cohen and stormy daniels that not only is he liable for a thousand dollars an insult, he could actually go to jail. in new york the judge is allowed to sentence up to 30 days for each contempt of court finding. so maybe that will make a difference for trump. i doubt that it will, if we think about a thousand dollars, that might be chump change for trump. it might actually be worth it for him if he's able for just a thousand dollars to insult people like michael cohen and stormy daniels. so jail will be the real disincentive, and i wouldn't, if i were trump, i wouldn't play with judge merchan on that scoreboard. >> so before we go, paul, i want to play something for you because it gives us some insight from what is called the prosecution's star witness, michael cohen, who went live last night on the social media app, tiktok, and here's what he said. >> but i promise you that the prosecutorial team, they're really something special. this is -- and i've -- listen, as i'm sure you -- you got to all be awa
you tell him that if he continues to talk on social media about witnesses like michael cohen and stormy daniels that not only is he liable for a thousand dollars an insult, he could actually go to jail. in new york the judge is allowed to sentence up to 30 days for each contempt of court finding. so maybe that will make a difference for trump. i doubt that it will, if we think about a thousand dollars, that might be chump change for trump. it might actually be worth it for him if he's able for...
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once she made the deal with michael cohen and donald trump, she was prepared to deny that it had happened. i couldn't say here's her story, and she denies it. that was the dilemma i had right before the election. >> so many people are curious about her, and curious about how she'll present as a witness. she has done a college tour. she's answered a lot of questions on this college tour, and we see it in a recent documentary. it's called "stormy." it aired on peacock, which is owned by nbc universal, and nbc's news division didn't have any role in creating the documentary, but i want to play just a little clip. again, she is at oxford, actually, where she was speaking. here it is. >> i really wanted to use my platform to prove that i could not be bullied, that women could not be quieted or hushed. >> with the recent indictment, is it dangerous to speak out in public. >> there's that saying, hiding out in plain view. if i hide away, it feeds the bully. it's just going to make it worse. >> based on the time you spent with her, how do you think she'll present as a witness. far lot of people w
once she made the deal with michael cohen and donald trump, she was prepared to deny that it had happened. i couldn't say here's her story, and she denies it. that was the dilemma i had right before the election. >> so many people are curious about her, and curious about how she'll present as a witness. she has done a college tour. she's answered a lot of questions on this college tour, and we see it in a recent documentary. it's called "stormy." it aired on peacock, which is...