and we had been asking for several days and seeing that as people have more time to think about the weight of what is going to happen at this trial, the stakes that are a part of this trial, what it would mean to them emotionally, right? and now this. >> keep in mind, the people who got to the jury box that were being questioned, they already had the opportunity to say no thanks, i'll pass, and they got up there and they -- one of them, you know, she was choked up. it was very emotional. and she just said, i can't do it. you know, they're subject to, you know, the jurors are asked these questions, i think at that point there's an awareness that this is going to be tough. and then they're questioned by donald trump's lawyers, and you don't think that it's, you know, it's going to be tough. some of the questions are really pointed and people are cracking.

and you wonder, they've got 12 and 6 now. you do have to wonder going forward what's going to happen. and now outside, you know, right in front of where we are, this man lit himself on fire. it's packed right now with police and people and onlookers. imagine that you are now a juror on this case. >> sue, the jurors who are still there who have just been chosen, the alternate jurors -- >> it's not clear to us whether the jurors can leave the building or whether they're having lunch provided for them. presumably their day is now over

because having now selected them, the rest of the proceedings for this afternoon should be devoted to other pre-trial proceedings, namely what we know as a sandoval hearing, which explores the boundaries of permissible cross-examination so that donald trump can himself make an informed decision about whether to take the stand. again, chris, all bets are off right now for what this afternoon is going to be like, even though things about the events outside were reverberating through the overflow room. we haveth devices at our dispos in there. we have laptops, we're in touch with our respective news organizations. judge merchan is sitting solo on the bench and particularly because he was questioning prospective jurors, there was a point in time where the screen went black asim he was talking the end. so we don't know what he knows. we couldn't see him or any of the lawyers at the very end. it's not clear to us whether the secret service was able to communicate goings on, either to the trump side or share that

with the folks in the manhattan district attorney's office. they have security of their own and not just for the actual district attorney but the lawyers in his office, the career staff there. there's security with them here too. there's some irony in the fact that inro this heavily fortifie courthouse behind us that someone was able to so easily self-harm with all of this spectacle and security around them. to what extent the jurors are aware, we can't say and we don't know. obviously we want to, and after we come back from the break, if the proceedings are called, we'll come back out here and share that as soon as we can with our audience at msnbc. >> at the moment that the screen went dark, and you can't say for sure, but if presumably there was action taken, you might believe that if something happened outsideat where there' this huge fire, right, that inside securityt, would move in

who was in the room at that time? >> in the courtroom itself, there would have been six pool reporters, one sketch artist. there are the lawyers from each respective team. obviously the defendant, and then all of thean prospective jurors, they had just announced which ones of those who had not yet been excused would be chosen to serve as alternates and told them what seat would be theirs and with that, i think that they were then excused and let go. but it was a little bit unclear, yeah? >> i also think, you know, one thing, just to paint a bit of a picture about the judge. you know, we were -- we covered, lisa and i together covered the civil trial where donald trump was involved, and the judge was there, but had a clerk next to him, and there was a lot of communication going on w and ofn that clerk was able to communicate information to the judge. that doesn't happen here. so the judge is alone on that

bench. he's, you know, talking to the lawyers, but he doesn't have the sort ofes easy access to a cler that he might have. and we don't know if he has his phone up d there. he's very focused. in fact, laser focused on the business of the court while he'r on the bench. we don't know what time he found out.im we had no inkling that he knew. >> while he doesn't have a law clerk adjacent to him, and apparently anywhere else in the courtroom, there is a courtroom deputy whose voice we occasionally hear as she calls out the names of prospective jurors or administers the other. she does have administrative help in the courtroom as well as a number of new york court security officers. in fact, chris, earlier today, one of the prospective jurors said that he had three friends who are court officers and the judge said where. he was clearly referring to the new york city court system, and he said,rk one of them, you kno is in the room right now, proving what a small world manhattan can be. but again, that levity that we felt earlier in the day,

alternating with high emotions, it was ath roller coaster of a y emotionally, and punctuated by the news of this gentleman setting himself on fire in the park directly across the street from the court in full view of all of the cameras here to cover this historic event. >> i think the other complication we're going to be dealing with. lisa alluded to it is the secret service. you have a former president of thepr united states inside who s secret as much as protection and a major incident has happened right when he's sitting in court. i don't know how they're going to respond. we're going to be watching for that. but i can't imagine that that's not going to complicate things this afternoon, and even as we're going forward, those are the sort of things i'm thinking about this as we're taking in awful news. >> i want to bring in msnbc legal analyst, catherine christian and charles coleman. lisa said it well for what happens after the lunch break, all bets arete off.

what dobe you imagine the considerations are now for judge juan merchan. >> i've worked down right in the building across from 100 center street for over 30 years. nothing like this has ever happened.ha no one has set themselves on fire. we have had protests, there's clearly crime downtown lower manhattan. but this is a first. so the courthouse security are the court officersou and the perimeter. outside is nypd. now, this happened across the street next to another courthouse. 111 center street. so i'm sure that more security is going to be ramped up, also by nypd because of what happened. and because this is a former president of the united states. just to tag on to what lisa and suzanne said, once the jurors, these alternates were sworn in, they would have been told

good-bye, enjoy your weekend, don't discuss the case, come back on monday. if they were leaving the building, they obviously would have seen what's going on. i have people i know who work down theret mo who have texted . and obviously you can see it on tv. but they should not be there this afternoon. this afternoon will be the hearing on what the prosecutors can cross examin former president trump about if he should take the stand. >> so charles, obviously the timing of this, first you have in a moment, the statement from juan t merchan, we have our ful panel, and there's probably soma feeling of relief. it's been a very intense day. as reported, it's been a very emotional day. but now they have the panel in place, and almost simultaneously, you have what happens outside and whatever attendant happened on the inside. we can't say for sure because the screen went blank, but what do you think the impact is here, charles? >> it goes to something you said

earlier i have been talking about for the past week. things in this case, in terms o. -- of the pressure and emotion are not going to go down. they're going higher and higher, the contrast of the relief of being able to put a jury in place, which quite frankly i think happened a little bit earlier than some people, myself included, believed that it would is something that is very interesting when you think about that. that's a sense of pressure for everyone o involved. now the jury is impanelled and they're moving forward. the pressure has increased, and now these outside distractions that none of us could have predicted are coming in such a way that only amplified the differentth emotions that are pt of a very emotionally charged environment. what i make of its impact is this is a trial that is unlike anything we have ever seen and likely going to e show us thing that we've never seen in a significantly emotionally charged environment that everyone,ro prosecutors, jurors

attorneys, defense attorneys, and obviously the defendant himself are extremely attuned to. >> listen, all of these jurors who have been selected have catherine, listened to and probably considered themselves what it means to be on this jury, bright. they have seen some of their fellow folks who may have gotten dismissed, talk about their anxiety, talk potentially about how, you know, they got phone calls or they were in touch with people. we all know, and we follow very closely what has happened this week, the intricacies of this particular jury selection.ic so if someone comes in after this and says this is too much for me or several come in and say this is too many for me, will judge juan merchan almost have to say, i understand that, thankth you. you're dismissed. >> yes, and that's the important of why six alternates because we

have a long weekend meaning the alternates today and so on monday, you might have a situation, i'm sure both sides and the judge are hoping not that you might have jurors who will say you know what, this is too much for me, and then you have to seek the alternates. so you could have a situation. what i would something and i'm not a security expert, but in donald trump's trial in federal court with judge kaplan, that judge directed the united states marshals to basically escort the jurors in that case to lunch. they went and had lunch together in some undisclosed location, and then when it was time to go home, they all in a group, were es courted home to their residences. they weren't sequestered but

they were protected. they might have to happen here with the new york state court offices who are capable of doing that. it will cost money, but that is a suggestion that maybe judge merchan should look at that judge kaplan did in the federal case. >> let me go back to the scene for just a minute because lisa rubin it has occurred to me that honestly anybody who has been to the scene of a fire, most journalists, i imagine have at one time or another, this is not the kind of incident where emts come in, they take the person that's hurt and take them away, so i want to sort of get the lay of the land right now, what you'regh seeing, what you're hearing, what maybe you're smelling. >> as we look out, chris, beyond our camera, we can see an increased police presence, the side street along the row where the cameras are set up is increasingly filled with more and more police, people are milling about in the street, there are law enforcement

officers, that was an empty street where only press was allowed to transgress. right now on the opposite side of the park, you can see a growing police presence andou t park is taped off as you're showing right now, but the thing that i'm struck by, having not covered a fire previously as you well know. i'm not a traditional journalist. i'm an ex-lawyer and baby journalist, is the smell here, and it is a that you don't want to smell. it's a particular kind of fire, and i think it is casting a very sober tone over what could have been the feeling of we have sat a jury and we're good to go for opening statements, that feeling has dissipated and been sucked out of the air by what has

transpired. >> and how this is going to affect the jurors and other people involved in the trial, this is chilling. we'reis 20 feet from where it happened. >> the affect on the journalists who witnessed t it, right. >> there's a lot of people. the whole row here is all journalists or people who haven't seen it or seen it on tv.or it's a long, you know, hundred some feet, and it happened right behind where all the camera crews are doing live feeds. >> if this had not happened, what had been the plan after the lunch break that was clearly, as you putnc it, all bets are off? >> well, judge merchan had said that he wanted to take a long lunch break in part because he doesn't have to come back to the juror panel that he asked to show up at 11:30.

he intended to take a long lunch break, and presumably he was going to p hold that sandoval hearing that he hasn't held, and that was going to explore what defendant donald trump, the parameters of the cross examine that he could be subject to and specifically what misconduct and unlawful conduct that he has participated in in the past, the district attorney's office is able to question him about. they haveo listed in a notice,3 separate categories of that conduct and it runs the gamut from the conduct with which he was charged and found liable in a civil fraud case to both judgments and verdicts in the e jean carroll case and going back to settlements he has participated in in the past, concerning the improper use of charitable money from the trump foundation or the fact he was sanctioned for bringing an improper case againstg hillary clinton, the dnc and a number oa other people and the larger

democratic political world for r bringing about the russia allegations was his allegation. whether or not we get to that sandoval hearing as the sirens are blaring behind me is unclear to anybody right now. that would have been the plan. and let me further that for you, chris, if the sandoval hearing had taken place, presumably on monday morning at 9:30 sharp, the jurors would have been seated and we would have proceeded to opening statements from both sidesto with the expectation ofhe completing the both before 2:00et p.m. when on monday, we will adjourn without a lunch break to accommodate the lawyers here who observed the passover holiday. that's what would have happened. that still may happen. but again, all bets are off in the wake of this tragic event today. >> catherine christian, as you mentioned earlier, you spent 30 years in that y area. you were with the manhattan district attorney's office,

typically in a trial, the judge makes decisionings. decides what's next. the judge makes his rulings. in this case, which is worth saying again, we have never seen a case like this. former president of the united states, you have the added security of the secret service. who might you imagine that the judge right now would be talking to about what might happen after lunch or is this largely still his decision? >> it's largely still his decision, but i'm certain that the secret ciservice, the nypd, and the court officers are having a conversation because they want to make sure that it it will be safe for the former president of the united states to come backfo to court this afternoon. he obviously hasn't left the building. i'm sure that will be. i mean, the judge is not, you

know, the judge is not going to say i don't care. so i'm sure those conversations, there's a head person who's in charge of the court officers and there's going to be a supervisors and a conversation. this may have had nothing whatsoever to do with former president trump, but it's still a very concerning incident that happened literally across the building from where he is at. >> catherine, charles, lisa, sue, i can't imagine better people to have this conversation with, and our thanks to yasmin vossoughian. again, we're going to continue our coverage of this breaking news that is happening just as judge juan merchans of -- merchan was announcing they had a full jury, 12 jurors and six alternates, outside the courthouse, a person set themselves on fire which immediately brought a huge response. now the question is just about an hour from now when the lunch break is expected to be over, what will happen, what will this

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missile and drone assault last weekend. today in his first public remarks since israel's retaliatory strike, he didn't mention it happened. richard engel is reporting from jerusalem. there has been a lot of saber rattling, and now the direct attacks between the two countryings. where does this go from here? what are you hearing. >> reporter: so we've seen a lot of -- heard a lot of saber rattling, the they have been pulled out. they have been used. to continue the analogy, they are now being put away. i think it's quite significant that the iranian president today gave a speech. he talked about iran's attack on israel over the weekend, which iran fired more than 300 cruise missiles, drones, mostly drowns and 100 ballistic missiles which are enormous weapons at this country in a failed attack

because nearly all of them, 99% of them were shot down. that was a response to an earlier israeli attack on the embassy compound of the iranian embassy compound in syria. it's significant that the iranian president talked about iran's action. he said that it was a demonstration of power, a demonstration of strength. he said it would bring iranians together. unite the people. and he didn't mention at all the limited reprisal to the reprisal that happened overnight launched by israel. israel also isn't talking about it, really at all. not providing any details. not issuing any restrictions. not giving any guidelines to the public to go to shelters or to take any action. so it seems that both sides are trying to step back from the brink. the iranian foreign minister who's in the united states right now was thrown a question by reporters, if iran planned to

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speaker johnson became speaker. he delayed that, tied it to the irs and killed the bill. we could have done ukraine two months ago when the senate sent over the bill. they have played politics with this. that being said, i'm happy that speaker johnson has found his voice, his will. make no mistake about it. hakeem jeffries said this was a chamberlain and churchill moment. hakeem jeffries has made this a churchill moment to send a message to our allies, you can depend on america so china and russia can stop taking advantage. >> four bills, what if two or three of them pass, do those go over or do all four have to pass for them to go over to the senate? >> yeah, i think the way it will work is the way they have done this rule is whatever passes gets put together and sent over. i don't think it all has to pass together. it will all pass together tomorrow. at least the three underlying bills of israel, ukraine, humanitarian aid.

that will pass together. you know, whether the side car bill has to pass to go over, i don't think that's the case. >> should we take your caucus getting behind this as a sign the party doesn't intend to let speaker johnson get removed if a motion to vacate is triggered by the response that he has had now. i know you personally said you would help johnson. do you think many of your other colleagues would. >> i think what you should look at is that democrats and republicans are working together for the american people. this is what the american voter wants. this is what the general election voter wants. this is what independents want. democrats and republicans working together for the american people. maybe it's what primary voter doesn't want. the gerrymandered district doesn't want. we're doing it together to show the world and our allies that we can stand up with them. and we can still be america and still lead the world rather than becoming isolationists and

allowing china and russia to fill the void. as far as what happens to mike johnson, i have been consistent, and i think my colleagues are probably there as well. there's just no way we're turning this place over to marjorie taylor greene. right now, the band of brothers is marjorie taylor greene, thomas massey, and go satellite and rada -- gosar, the three little pigs. they would like the ayatollah from iran take israel. they're not interested in america leading. they say it's america first. they want america last. they want china first and russia first because that's what their foreign policy would give us. >> there are a couple of different sets of stakes. the immediate one you mentioned, can our allies say that america stands by its commitments, does america support democracy. that's that. there's the political part of this as well. and marjorie taylor greene doesn't have to worry about her district. right. but there are plenty of people who do, and control of the house is up for grabs in november. does this help the democrats,

does it hurt the democrats because people look and say, there's just chaos? they finally got something done, but it's chaos. what's the politics of this, as you see it, congressman? >> well, congress's approval rating is like 18%. right, so we all get lumped in to that. but i think the american people are going to see that democrats are interested in leading. democrats are interested in working together. democrats will work across the aisle. my colleagues, my republican colleagues in the 118th congress have shown the american people they're not interesting in doing anything for them. they're interested in chaos. let's see what the historic congress of the 118 has done. we removed a speaker. that's never happened in american history. we impeached a cabinet secretary with no evidence. that hasn't happened in 150 years. we threw out a member in george santos. that hasn't happened in 20 years. that's not helping the american people. that's a chaos that's up here. we had a bipartisan border bill. we could have done something on

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you're looking at a live picture overhead of collect pond park. this is where in the last hour a man set himself on fire. this is the park directly across the street from where donald trump's criminal trial is underway. they literally had just announced that they have a full panel, meaning 12 jurors and 6 alternates when this happened. it was shocking. the people on scene described it

as shocking. several of them said it took them a while to process exactly what was happening. among those who were there at the time, nbc's yasmin vossoughian in lower manhattan who, in fact, was live on the air when this happened, and you kind of said at the time you were seeing it out of the corner of your eye. you were trying to report in realtime. there were people, i understand, who were much closer to the man when he set himself on fire. have we had an opportunity to talk to anyone who was there, who was close by? what do we know about what was happening in realtime as we wait for police to hold a press conference. >> reporter: we have this press conference happening in a couple of minutes or so. 2:45 eastern standard time, and that press conference is happening just 50 feet or so in the other direction from the park where this individual set himself on fire. i had the opportunity to speak

with an individual. his name is dave. who witnessed this thing closer than me. i'm about 50 feet from the man who set himself on fire. this individual was inside collect pond park. he had come here from the upper west side, which is about 5 miles north of where we are in lower manhattan, just to kind of see what was going on when it came to the trump trial. and he wanted to check out what was happening with the media, and instead, he encountered this individual, and he said this man threw some papers up. and i had described earlier, chris, when i was on the air with you, there was papers surrounding this individual. he threw papers up in the air, multicolored papers and then he had doused himself in gasoline, and he lit a lighter and then subsequently set himself on fire. you mentioned, chris, as you were coming to me that for many individuals who witnessed this, me being one of them, you couldn't quite understand what was happening in front of you, and i would echo that same

sentiment. when i saw it happening, as i was talking about the impanelled jury for donald trump, i thought to myself in my head, i think there's a fire in the middle of the park. and then i thought, no, that is an individual. that is a human being was on fire. we haven't learned much about this individual and/or the status of him. we know he was taken away by emt. i mentioned he had thrown some papers up in the air. we had gotten a glimpse of some of those papers. it seems to have some vast conspiracy theories written on these papers. that is all we know. whether or not that leads to the motive as to why this individual would have done something so horrific like this to himself, i think, is to be known. and to be learned hopefully more from this press conference that's happening in just a couple of minutes or. so none the less, this man dave that i speak to, really, chris, understandably shaken by what he witnessed just a few feet away

from him. i mentioned to you when that individual who set himself on fire was in the park, there was just a couple of other folks that were milling about. this man dave was one of those other individuals who had come down here to see what was happening with the trial, and instead has now walked away, seared in his mind, this man who set himself on fire. >> yasmin vossoughian, thank you very much. what we don't know, and i want to be clear about this, is what's going to happen when the judge comes back, if he comes back as he intended to at 3:15. there was supposed to be a sandoval hearing to determine whether or not should donald trump take the stand, would he be able to be asked about some of the judgments that have been made against him, including in the e. jean carroll case. we don't know if that is still going to happen. we don't know if as anticipated had that hearing taken place, and we still don't know if it will happen, but if it had taken place whether the court would

reconvene on monday morning and the trial would get underway. we don't know what impact this is going to have. in the meantime, i want to talk about the woman whose story began all of this. at a brooklyn bar, donald trump's lawyers say they tried to serve a subpoena on her. stormy daniels, the adult film star whose accusations brought donald trump to this new york courtroom today, and to the potential of a felony conviction. but his lawyers say in a court filing that daniels' refused the subpoena so the process server left it at her feet. this is the latest chapter in a story that began with daniels and trump at a golf tournament in 2006 and will end some weeks from now with a verdict. we wouldn't be here if stormy daniels hadn't decided to tell her story. and my guest, jacob weissberg is ceo of pushkin industries,

previously chairman of "slate." charles coleman is back with us as well. jake, have you met stormy daniels and spent time with her, i wonder is she the kind of person that would say no to a process server and leave that at her feet? >> i found her, i got a tip from a friend who was friend's of hers in the summer of 2016, and i reached out to her, and we were texting back and forth and talking and at that point she was trying to figure out the value of her story, and she had been talking to michael cohen about being paid hush money would be a polite term for it. she thought there was a good chance trump was going to stiff her as he had a lot of contractors over the years, and she thought she could share her story with the press, as an alternative way of realizing the

value. at slate, we didn't pay for stories. i was trying to convince her to go public, to let me use it, without getting paid it. she didn't agree to it. she wanted to get paid for it. in the process, i was able to verify some but not all of it. i spoke to people she had told about the affair, if you want to call it that with donald trump, when it happened. i determined her story had been consistent over that period of almost ten years, and it checked out, but frustratingly, i didn't have it in a form i could use it. once she made the deal with michael cohen and donald trump, she was prepared to deny that it had happened. i couldn't say here's her story, and she denies it. that was the dilemma i had right before the election. >> so many people are curious about her, and curious about how she'll present as a witness. she has done a college tour. she's answered a lot of questions on this college tour, and we see it in a recent documentary. it's called "stormy."

it aired on peacock, which is owned by nbc universal, and nbc's news division didn't have any role in creating the documentary, but i want to play just a little clip. again, she is at oxford, actually, where she was speaking. here it is. >> i really wanted to use my platform to prove that i could not be bullied, that women could not be quieted or hushed. >> with the recent indictment, is it dangerous to speak out in public. >> there's that saying, hiding out in plain view. if i hide away, it feeds the bully. it's just going to make it worse. >> based on the time you spent with her, how do you think she'll present as a witness. far lot of people who watched the documentary, they saw her as someone determined to tell her story. >> i think i would describe her as mercenary but truthful. if you wanted to put a different

coloration, it was blackmail. she was trying to get donald trump to pay for her silence. what she was doing wasn't pretty either. i would say accept when she denied the story because she was being paid to deny it. different details sometimes, but told it in a consistent way, and i think the third-party verification is very important. it shows that what she said to people when she never thought this was going to become public was consistent with what she's saying now. >> so listening as we are, charles, to jacob's description, but also knowing what we know about the story of stormy daniels, and it's been out there for a very long time, what are you watching for from her as a witness. how do you think she'll present? >> i do think when she gets on the stand, she's going to be resilient and resolute in her position. prosecutors are likely going to

talk to her about the inconsistencies that jacob referenced and that she's going to be prepped and prepared to deal with them. on cross we're going to see a different animal emerged. they are going to drill into the fact that at its core, this is about blackmail. you slept with a married man, who you likely knew was married, and then you wanted to get money for the fact that you didn't want to go out and tell the fact that you had made this decision, and ultimately does that change what donald trump did. no. is that the what the case is about, no. but it is going to be something that i fully expect that the defense attorneys in this case are going to try to pommel her on as much as they can to detract from her overall credibility in front of the jury. i think there may be some sympathy to say she does not come to the table with clean hands either and who knows what kind of impact that will have on their deliberations.

>> to what extent can you prepare a witness for, in using your words, a pommelling? >> you can. you have a consistent narrative, and you stick to it. here's the thing, an attorney is only going to get one time to actually ask the question before the opposing counsel objects along the lines of asked and answered. so i think that as long as you have an answer, and as long as you have, you know, your spin that you're putting on it, that's ultimately plausible and that you can maintain whatever actions you have already taken. you can prepare them for the pommelling. honestly it's not necessarily the narrative you're selling. it's more so the preparation around your demeanor, your attitude, your tone, your intonation in such a way that you don't come across as overly defensive, rude or just nasty in front of the jury. that's really what you spend the most time preparing your witness around. the story itself is what it's going to be based off of the

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for that nypd press conference to get underway any moment now with new details about the man who set himself on fire outside the courthouse. nbc's yasmin vossoughian is on the ground for us. jim kavanaugh is back with me. what are the questions you think they'll be able to answer? it's now been just a little more than an hour since this happened. >> you're right. i think the witnesses reporting that he threw some pamphlets in the air, prior to powering a flammable liquid on himself and lighting himself with a lighter. some of the answers are in those pamphlets. that's his message. that's what he wants the world to know. it may prove to be nonsensical, and won't make sense to anyone, only to him, but largely some of the answers are there, and he may have posted things online or left notes at home as well. i think nypd will have some answers for us, that, you know, he might have been disturbed, but clearly he's suicidal, and

he went to this location because this is a spot where he'll get attention for whatever his issue is. he could burn himself up behind a warehouse in newark, and it's not going to make the news. it's not going to be on the news. when he goes to the trump trial, just like going to the front of the white house or the capitol and the supreme court or an embassy, and you set yourself on fire like a man did two months ago at the israeli embassy in washington, d.c. to protest the war in gaza, lit himself on fire and died. so that's why they're attracted to these locations. it may not have anything to do with trump or the trump trial at all. it may. it could. it also could be the location of the center of attention of the country in the world. >> whether it does or not, yasmin, as we were discussing with our lawyers and the folks on scene, lisa and sue earlier, the question is what impact this will have on the trial, what impact will it have on that

sandoval hearing scheduled this afternoon. what impact will it have on the potential to start to get the meat of the trial underway on monday. we are expecting to hear from juan merchan at 3:15, whether he'll keep that, we don't know. that's the schedule right now, right? >> reporter: it is the schedule, chris, and i was speaking to folks, whether or not we thought the judge could delay the sandoval hearing. the hearing is expected to take an hour or so. if they're able to wrap that up, they would then be excused for the weekend and they would start proceedings monday morning, possibly opening arguments. i would say that the instinct that we have right now considering how the judge has run things so far this week, even with what has taken place today outside the courtroom and how horribly tragic it is, our instincts are telling us the judge will likely go forward with the sandoval hearing, even with all of this happening

around the courthouse, and only because it seems as if he has wanted to move this trial along, knowing how long it's going to take inside of an election year. we thought the jury selection would take two weeks, it's only taking four days of full court. we're going to have to wait until 3:15 to find out exactly what's going to happen. i'm sure there's a lot of conversations happening in the judge's chambers with regards to what will take place in the back half of today's court session. if, in fact, they do resume at 3:15, that means they're going to get into the sandoval hearing. the prosecution will talk about the evidence they will present, if, in fact, the former president decides to testify, the evidence they will present in their cross-examination, chris. >> jim, we have less than a minute, and we may get some answers at this press conference, but knowing what you know and having been involved with the atf for so long and the high profile of this, would you imagine if not increasing

security going forward at this trial that they may make some adjustments, or they did a quick response. they hope obviously this is a one-off and they have a plan they thought about thoroughly, and they'll keep it. >> from a security standpoint, the secret service, and i have been on many of their details, assigned to their details, they are not going to be rattled by this at all. this is not something that rattles the secret service. they know this man presented no danger to their protectee. they're not the least bit worried about him. >> and the same with nypd and the other criminal justice folks who are around there, they have the same, you think? >> i think the judge and the police for the county court system, the police officers you see there that says new york county courts, they're going to take the brunt of trying to protect the jurors. that's going to be more of the

issue, the jurors in the court family. mr. trump is protected. he has the secret service detail. he's protected. the jurors and the court family have to ramp up a little bit. now you realize that the focus of people who may have, you know, suicidal ideas are attracted. they're going to have to do more. i think you'll probably see it in that vein, more security for jurors in the court family. >> jim kavanaugh, yasmin vossoughian, thank you both. that does it for this very busy couple of hours, join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday here on msnbc. again, we are waiting for that presser to start. you'll have that with ana cabrera. in for katy tur, next. in for katy tur, next. for tt of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea,

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