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maybe if you are cynical and think okay, maybe samuel alito and thomas are going to be outliers. but, the fact that it looks like there's at least four, it's going to be, to me, it looks like 5-4, one way or the other on a case that i agree with neil is so off the charts tells you how inured we are to trump overtaking what this country is supposed to stand for. >> what i thought i was counting was a majority, clear majority saying, no, there is absolutely no such thing as absolute immunity, absolutely no such thing. i don't know what neil gorsuch was getting at at certain spots there, where he was saying things like, well, you know, if you, samuel alito said if you do that, order seal team six, you don't have to worry about that because seal team six won't obey the order to assassinate hillary clinton. and then neil gorsuch was saying, made a very clear point to say, to trumps lawyer, so there's absolutely no doubt that subordinates of the president can be prosecuted for exactly the thing you are saying the president cannot be prosecuted for and trumps lawyer said that's right, i
maybe if you are cynical and think okay, maybe samuel alito and thomas are going to be outliers. but, the fact that it looks like there's at least four, it's going to be, to me, it looks like 5-4, one way or the other on a case that i agree with neil is so off the charts tells you how inured we are to trump overtaking what this country is supposed to stand for. >> what i thought i was counting was a majority, clear majority saying, no, there is absolutely no such thing as absolute...
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is this what he wanted when he chose samuel alito for the supreme court? or was george w. bush just playing the game of abortion politics? just like every republican did before him. the game was never to win. the game was to keep the game going. if you are antiabortion, you have to vote republican as long as they kept the game going. because they were the only ones who were at least pretending they wanted to stop it. equally, republican politicians didn't want abortion to stop, because then you wouldn't have to vote for them anymore to stop abortion. you wouldn't have to contribute money to their campaigns. you couldn't ask for a more powerful lesson in how much your vote matters, and how long your vote matters. your vote lives after you. long after you. millions of people who voted for george h.w. bush, and who therefore voted for clarence thomas to be on the supreme court to overturn roe versus wade, are now dead. millions of those voters have been dead for decades. their vote continues to live after them in the hands of clarence thomas on the united states supreme court
is this what he wanted when he chose samuel alito for the supreme court? or was george w. bush just playing the game of abortion politics? just like every republican did before him. the game was never to win. the game was to keep the game going. if you are antiabortion, you have to vote republican as long as they kept the game going. because they were the only ones who were at least pretending they wanted to stop it. equally, republican politicians didn't want abortion to stop, because then you...
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bush was a vote for samuel alito. so yes. you can and should blame donald trump, but you should have to blame the people who voted for donald trump for president in 2016 and you have to blame the voters who voted for george w. bush and the voters who voted for george w. h. bush before that. because if dukasis or gore had won, donald trump could have put three right wing judges on the supreme court and they still wouldn't have a majority. for the voters who voted for joe biden four years ago and are no longer with us because they were lost to covid or cancer or other illness their votes are going to live after them another 30 years that ketanji brown jackson will serve on the united states supreme court. your vote will live after you. it will live in the supreme court. your vote will live on in the hands of federal judges. in their 40s appointed by joe biden who will serve for another 40 years. your vote will decide what century we live in. will we live in an age of legal and constitutional enlightenment or will we live in 186
bush was a vote for samuel alito. so yes. you can and should blame donald trump, but you should have to blame the people who voted for donald trump for president in 2016 and you have to blame the voters who voted for george w. bush and the voters who voted for george w. h. bush before that. because if dukasis or gore had won, donald trump could have put three right wing judges on the supreme court and they still wouldn't have a majority. for the voters who voted for joe biden four years ago and...
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and so the methodology adopted by that man, samuel alito, on the right, with the support supreme court effectively ruled as if we are going to let the past dictate the present. in this really binding way. specifically, the white men who held power in the distant past. the man who made up the tradition of our history. this isn't some weird fluke. if the logic of dobbs at play where that states supreme court just revived a near-total abortion ban from 1864 from when lincoln was president. this is the code of laws adopted by the very first arizona territorial legislature 160 years ago. yes, territorial because arizona would not become a eight for more than 50 more years. name for judge and principal author william thompson howell, the menu see there on the left, the howell code foreman iced the laws governing all the territory. population, less than 2000. excusable homicide by misadventure, which could include a man working with an axe killed a bystander or a parent is moderately correcting his child and happens to occasion death. it contains multiple sections relating to duals, for examp
and so the methodology adopted by that man, samuel alito, on the right, with the support supreme court effectively ruled as if we are going to let the past dictate the present. in this really binding way. specifically, the white men who held power in the distant past. the man who made up the tradition of our history. this isn't some weird fluke. if the logic of dobbs at play where that states supreme court just revived a near-total abortion ban from 1864 from when lincoln was president. this is...
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that is the kind of history and tradition that samuel alito have brought back to the united states. it is the very logic of this court. it is the point of the decision in dobbs. it is the point of the arizona supreme court ruling this week. in 2024 william claude jones gets to control the body of women and girls in the state of arizona. are you tired of your hair breaking after waiting years for it to grow? new pantene with more pro-vitamins, plus biotin & collagen. repairs as well as the leading luxury bonding brand. stronger, healthier hair, without the $60 price tag. if you know, you know it's pantene. millions of children are fighting to survive due to inequality, conflict, poverty and the climate crisis. save the children® is working alongside communities to provide a better life for children. and there's a way you can help. please call or go online to give just $10 a month. only $0.33 a day. we urgently need 1000 new monthly donors in the next 30 days to help the children we support around the world. you can help provide food, medicine, care and protection, plus so much more
that is the kind of history and tradition that samuel alito have brought back to the united states. it is the very logic of this court. it is the point of the decision in dobbs. it is the point of the arizona supreme court ruling this week. in 2024 william claude jones gets to control the body of women and girls in the state of arizona. are you tired of your hair breaking after waiting years for it to grow? new pantene with more pro-vitamins, plus biotin & collagen. repairs as well as the...
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justice alito's decision really signals a willingness to go there. it essentially says if there is a tossup between having to choose between a woman's life and a fetus' life, it is up to the state who gets to win ou we know the case will likelyt. geoff: reverberate beyond idaho. sarah: texas has also sued around emtala. if idaho wins you can be sure that at least six states that do not have the health exception for the mother will follow idaho's lead. we are seeing this play out on the ground in emergency rooms. you would imagine those types of cases and women being turned away would just continue to escalate. geoff: sarah varney, thank you so much. sarah: thank you. ♪ amna: in the day's other headlines. president biden signed into law a massive foreign aid package after months of delay amid republican opposition. the $95 billion measure includes assistance to ukraine, israel, and taiwan. president biden celebrated the achievement today at the white house, saying it was long overdue. pres. biden: it was a difficult path. it should have been easier
justice alito's decision really signals a willingness to go there. it essentially says if there is a tossup between having to choose between a woman's life and a fetus' life, it is up to the state who gets to win ou we know the case will likelyt. geoff: reverberate beyond idaho. sarah: texas has also sued around emtala. if idaho wins you can be sure that at least six states that do not have the health exception for the mother will follow idaho's lead. we are seeing this play out on the ground...
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child under federal law and i want to play alito here talking about how the hospital will stabilize the threat to the unborn child, take a listen >> in a hospital must stabilize the threat to the unborn child. and it seems that the plain meaning is at the hospital must try to eliminate any immediate threat to the child, performing an abortion is antithetical to that duty. >> first of all, there is no child here, there is a fetus and that should be clear. but what you hear as a medical practitioner when you hear the justice saying that? >> so he is put in a situation that doesn't exist. there is no saving the fetus without saving the mother and what he is creating is this idea that there is a conflict between the life of the mother and whatever emergency this fetus is having, the only way to save that fetus, to deliver that baby eventually, to have a full healthy pregnancy, is to say that mother point there is no conflict and he is making it up. >> and to the extent that there is, to the extent that there is a conflict or they said that there is a situation in which you have to end t
child under federal law and i want to play alito here talking about how the hospital will stabilize the threat to the unborn child, take a listen >> in a hospital must stabilize the threat to the unborn child. and it seems that the plain meaning is at the hospital must try to eliminate any immediate threat to the child, performing an abortion is antithetical to that duty. >> first of all, there is no child here, there is a fetus and that should be clear. but what you hear as a...
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hand and trying to gauge the real life fallout of resolving those complex debates, including justice alito. >> if an incumbent, who loses a very close, hotly contested election, knows that a real possibility, after leaving office, is not that the president is going to be able to go off into a peaceful retirement but that the president may be criminally prosecuted by a bitter political opponent. >> alito asking whether that would lead the country into a cycle that ends up destabilizing democracy. while justice jackson worried about the implications of the court granting sweeping criminal immunity for all future presidents. >> if the potential for criminal liability is taken off the table, wouldn't there be a significant risk that future presidents would be emboldened to commit crimes with a abandon while they are in office? >> those questions provoking other justices to ask about whether a president can pardon himself in advance in the waning days of. facing possible criminal charges after leaving office. justice kagan noted the framers did not include a presidential immunity clause in the
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there's constitutional rights, samuel alito questioned the solicitor general about the interests of the unborn child under federal law. i want to play samuel alito talking about how the hospital must stabilize the threat to the unborn child. take a listen. >> the hospital must stabilize the threat to the unborn child. and it seems that the plain meaning is that the hospital must try to eliminate any immediate threat to the child but performing an abortion is antithetical to that duty. >> first of all, to my mind, there is no child. there is a fetus and that should be clear. what do you hear as a medical practitioner in an emergency room when you hear the justice saying that ? >> he is creating a situation that doesn't exist. there is no saving the fetus without saving the mother. what he is creating is this idea that there is a conflict between the life of the mother and whatever emergency this fetus is having. the only way to save that fetus, to deliver the baby eventually, to have a full, healthy pregnancy is to say that mother. there is no conflict and he's making it up out of whole
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and so even though justice alito did push the idea of state's rights and returning abortion decisions for the states, they can't do it if it conflicts with a federal law and emerging merely treatment and labor act says it is part of the bargain for receiving medical care funds, hospitals have to agree to comply with those rules. and those include protecting the health of people when they present in a situation where they need to be stabilized. and so idaho's law conflicts with that by criminalizing behavior when it is not necessary to save the life. and so that is the window, what does it mean to save someone's life and if it is necessary to just stabilize their health even without certainty of death, then federal law requires that. >> barb, let me ask you another question. because i think one of the issues here that i've been hearing about for these arguments today is that doctors feel under legal constraints, hallie jackson interviewed a doctor from idaho that moved to colorado because they are not even sure that they can do a d and c, routine procedures for women that aren't even i
and so even though justice alito did push the idea of state's rights and returning abortion decisions for the states, they can't do it if it conflicts with a federal law and emerging merely treatment and labor act says it is part of the bargain for receiving medical care funds, hospitals have to agree to comply with those rules. and those include protecting the health of people when they present in a situation where they need to be stabilized. and so idaho's law conflicts with that by...
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>> i think it is exactly the opposite, justice alito. there is an appropriate way to challenge things through the courts. that has been the nation's experience. >> you seem to worry about the president being chilled. i think we would have a significant opposition problem if the president was not shield -- chilled. the most powerful person in the world with the reduced amount of authority could go into office knowing that there would be no potential penalty for committing crimes, i am trying to understand what that disincentive is from turning the oval office into the seat of criminal activity in this country? >> marsha, what is next? >> well, a decision at some point. my sense overall was that the court doesn't seem inclined to buy mr. trump's argument for absolute immunity. and if that's the case, and they start trying to delineate, as william said, between official acts and private acts, what kinds of tests should be applied to do that? they may well send it back to the lower courts to apply it to mr. trump's situation. now are the har
>> i think it is exactly the opposite, justice alito. there is an appropriate way to challenge things through the courts. that has been the nation's experience. >> you seem to worry about the president being chilled. i think we would have a significant opposition problem if the president was not shield -- chilled. the most powerful person in the world with the reduced amount of authority could go into office knowing that there would be no potential penalty for committing crimes, i...
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justice samuel alito noting the federal law mandating emergency care also cites a responsibility to an unborn child. >> the statute imposes on the hospital a duty to the woman certainly, and also a duty to the child. and it doesn't tell the hospital how it is to adjudicate conflicts between those interests, and it leaves that to state law. >> reporter: still, even among conservatives, there was some concern about idaho's position. in one remarkable moment, justice amy coney barrett -- a staunch opponent of abortion rights -- exclaimed she was "shocked" by idaho's argument that women in crisis could be refused an abortion in an emergency room on a case-by-case basis. >> it is very case-by-case. the examples -- >> i'm kind of shocked, actually. because i thought your own expert had said below that these kinds of cases were covered. and you're now saying they're not? >> no, i'm not saying that. that's just my point, your honor, is that -- >> well, you're hedging. >> reporter: a decision on that case is expected in june. meanwhile, tomorrow, the justices will consider whether or not former
justice samuel alito noting the federal law mandating emergency care also cites a responsibility to an unborn child. >> the statute imposes on the hospital a duty to the woman certainly, and also a duty to the child. and it doesn't tell the hospital how it is to adjudicate conflicts between those interests, and it leaves that to state law. >> reporter: still, even among conservatives, there was some concern about idaho's position. in one remarkable moment, justice amy coney barrett...
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and gore search warrant about prosecutor is misusing criminal law to target political opponents and alito warned of a slippery slope with a loser in an election always getting prosecuted like in banana republic's so it's been clear to me that this is the court that will grant some form of immunity because they were focusing so much on the nixon versus fitzgerald case that did give presidents immunity from civil lawsuits with certain conditions and i think that the court may extend that immunity protection to criminal prosecutions because of the same reasoning applying in the alternative they may say well we are going to send it back to the lower court with guidance on immunity parameters and allow that court to craft the rule for for the review but either way i think that dj six trump case in washington get sent back down and jonathan is right that process is time-consuming bracing for hearings it seems impossible now that a trial could take place before the election. >> sean: professor i'm dying to get your thoughts on this did you glean the same thing that we cleaned? >> first i want to
and gore search warrant about prosecutor is misusing criminal law to target political opponents and alito warned of a slippery slope with a loser in an election always getting prosecuted like in banana republic's so it's been clear to me that this is the court that will grant some form of immunity because they were focusing so much on the nixon versus fitzgerald case that did give presidents immunity from civil lawsuits with certain conditions and i think that the court may extend that immunity...
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i think alito had it right. there is two parts to the question. one is constitutional. how are we going to do this. and i think they decided in dobbs that was good. the other is political. and i think what donald trump is doing is getting in the position to make his case that it's the democrats who are extreme. as you pointed out in 2016 in a debate hammered hillary for saying you wouldn't ban abortion up to the moment of birth. and she had no answer for him. i think he is gearing up to do that now. if you look at his whole statement he made a pretty forceful statement on what abortion is and where the democrats are. >> bret: yeah. la thing, kimberley, are these states now, some of them, regretting maybe going as far as they did on this issue and some of them dialing this back. florida clearly is not. >> yeah. i think they are certainly regretting those that haven't come up with a position. because look what we have seen out there in the elections and initiatives when the question comes to voters and legislature hadn't already given them a position that they're often be
i think alito had it right. there is two parts to the question. one is constitutional. how are we going to do this. and i think they decided in dobbs that was good. the other is political. and i think what donald trump is doing is getting in the position to make his case that it's the democrats who are extreme. as you pointed out in 2016 in a debate hammered hillary for saying you wouldn't ban abortion up to the moment of birth. and she had no answer for him. i think he is gearing up to do that...
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questions about how he feels about the justices he appointed, chief justice john roberts and justice samuel alito who wrote the opinion overturning roe v. wade. without those bush judges on the supreme court, it could not have happened. george bush's father appointed justice thomas where he waited patiently for 30 years to overturn roe v. wade. it is the work of the last three republican presidents and everyone who helped their campaigns that has sent the state of arizona back to life in 1864 when they had no running water, no electricity or toilets and republicans in the legislature decided to keep that state living in 1864. when they blocked an attempt by democrats to repeal the 1864 law which the supreme court of arizona this week said is now the law of arizona banning abortion and providing a five- year prison sentence for anyone who participates in any way in any abortion services. president biden's reelection campaign has rushed in to arizona with an aggressive television advertising campaign about the stakes for the people of arizona. >> because of donald trump, millions of women lost the
questions about how he feels about the justices he appointed, chief justice john roberts and justice samuel alito who wrote the opinion overturning roe v. wade. without those bush judges on the supreme court, it could not have happened. george bush's father appointed justice thomas where he waited patiently for 30 years to overturn roe v. wade. it is the work of the last three republican presidents and everyone who helped their campaigns that has sent the state of arizona back to life in 1864...
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how many times have justice alito and justice thomas asked questions about the fairness of a prosecution when it comes to the criminal defendant. they are not particularly known for that. so it is a little striking to hear so many of those concerns today, coming out of that segment of the court. when you think of the dominant methodology of the court right now is reading the statute, that it is just what the plain text says. here is the plain text that's so good for the government, lawrence. it says it is a crime to otherwise obstruct, influence, or impede any official proceeding. it sure seems like dollars to donuts, not just what trump did, but what fisher did when the other 300 defendants were to obstruct an official proceeding. doesn't say anything about evidence in that destruction of evidence in that particular part of the statute. and that notably is what judge pam who wrote the court of appeal's opinion is what she harped on, which is this was a standalone provision, and i didn't quite hear an answer to that in the argument today. so i know right now the reports are the governmen
how many times have justice alito and justice thomas asked questions about the fairness of a prosecution when it comes to the criminal defendant. they are not particularly known for that. so it is a little striking to hear so many of those concerns today, coming out of that segment of the court. when you think of the dominant methodology of the court right now is reading the statute, that it is just what the plain text says. here is the plain text that's so good for the government, lawrence. it...
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i do think it is a little interesting for the step backward, how many times have justice alito or justice thomas asked , how fair is a charge with the defendant. it is a little bit striking to hear so many of those concerns coming out of that segment of the court. similarly, i think a dominant methodology right now is textualism. reading the statute as what it's plaintext says. here the plaintext is so good for the government. it says it is a crime to otherwise obstruct, influence, or impede any official proceeding. it sure seems like dollars to donuts not just what trump did but what joe fischer did with the other 300 defendants was to obstruct an official proceeding. it does not say anything about evidence and destruction of evidence and that statute. so the judge that wrote the court of appeals opinion is what she harped on. she said, this is a standalone provision in the statute. it does not say anything about evidence destruction. i did not hear anything about that in the oral argument today. i know that the government will -- certainly not lose the trump prosecution but may lose som
i do think it is a little interesting for the step backward, how many times have justice alito or justice thomas asked , how fair is a charge with the defendant. it is a little bit striking to hear so many of those concerns coming out of that segment of the court. similarly, i think a dominant methodology right now is textualism. reading the statute as what it's plaintext says. here the plaintext is so good for the government. it says it is a crime to otherwise obstruct, influence, or impede...
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i mean this is one where it's even justices alito and thomas footnote the outrageous fact that thomas is going to sit on this case tomorrow and hear it. leave that aside. even they i think cannot, will not stomach the idea of a blanket immunity. they may decide that there's some small area which maybe a president is immune, for instance, foreign relations, something that's exclusively or almost exclusively within his province, but it's hard to see that it would be in this case with these charges. >> andrew weissmann, thank you very much for joining us. we'll listen to the court tomorrow. >>> a programming note, andrew weissmann will join us in studio tomorrow at this hour after we've all heard the oral arguments at the supreme court. msnbc's coverage of the arguments start at 10:00 a.m. eastern time tomorrow and tomorrow night i'll join rachel maddow for a special prime time coverage of the supreme court hearing starting at 8:00 p.m. that will go on for two hours before "the last word" comes on at 10:00 p.m. tomorrow night, as usually scheduled. >>> coming up, today president joe bide
i mean this is one where it's even justices alito and thomas footnote the outrageous fact that thomas is going to sit on this case tomorrow and hear it. leave that aside. even they i think cannot, will not stomach the idea of a blanket immunity. they may decide that there's some small area which maybe a president is immune, for instance, foreign relations, something that's exclusively or almost exclusively within his province, but it's hard to see that it would be in this case with these...
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but in many ways, it's a vindication for justice samueling alito's decision. he said our job isn't to decide what the rule of, what the policy should be on abortion. that's for the people to decide. and dobbs lets the people decide. that's what florida voters are going to do. >> that's absolutely right. and, by the way, paul, politics is very messy. [laughter] and, you know, i know that there are some people that would rather the court just step in and decide all of this, but he's right, you return this back to the states. the problem rests with republicans who have not understood the degree to which democrats were going to use this. and they're going to do it again in swing states. it's not just florida. they're going to put it on the ballot in arizona, montana, other swing states for this presidential election. and that is going to be a challenge on the map. paul: all right. still ahead, the biden camp was quick to dismiss recent polls showing donald trump edging biden in key ballotgrounds, but a shifting electorate in some of these swing states could spell
but in many ways, it's a vindication for justice samueling alito's decision. he said our job isn't to decide what the rule of, what the policy should be on abortion. that's for the people to decide. and dobbs lets the people decide. that's what florida voters are going to do. >> that's absolutely right. and, by the way, paul, politics is very messy. [laughter] and, you know, i know that there are some people that would rather the court just step in and decide all of this, but he's right,...
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and alito warned of a slipperyod with a loser in an election. always get gets prosecuted likek in banana republic.n cl >> so it's pretty clear to me that this is the that willt that grant some form of immunity becausrant se they were focusino much on the nixon v fitzgerald case for decades ago that did give presidents immunity from, civil lawsuits with certain conditions. so i think the court may extend that immunity protection to criminal prosecutourte russie because the same reasoning applies in the alternativeof thy i mean, they may say, well, we're going to send ite god back to the lower couritt with guidance on immunity parameters and allowt that cout to craft the rule for further review. but either way, i think the j6si trump case in washington gets sent back downet. onatha and jonathan's right, that process is time consuming. briefs at pro court hearings further repeal. >> it seems impossible now that trial can take place before the election. >> yeah. professohe electr, i'm dying tot your thoughts on this, that you claim the same thing yo
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. >> jonathan: let's look at for instance in the dobbs decision what justice alito wrote. we do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today's decision in overturning roe and casey, and even foreseeing what would happen, we will have no authority to acknowledge that decision. >> really? >> jonathan: why is he wrong? >> well, let me give you a very simple case. you may know that if somebody who has a child who is handicapped, the school board has to give that child a good education, and if the mother and father think not, they can bring a lawsuit, and the statute says they're entitled to their costs. that was the case. cost. does cost include the cost of an educational expert, $29,000 or does it just mean legal costs? so i say, here. why don't you try this, mr. textualist. say it loud. cost. now do you know the answer? say it twice. cost, cost. three times. cost, cost, cost. it doesn't tell you. so the other things that judges have always looked to too, who wrote those words and what did they have in mind? what was congress trying to do? wha
. >> jonathan: let's look at for instance in the dobbs decision what justice alito wrote. we do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today's decision in overturning roe and casey, and even foreseeing what would happen, we will have no authority to acknowledge that decision. >> really? >> jonathan: why is he wrong? >> well, let me give you a very simple case. you may know that if somebody who has a child who is handicapped, the school...
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john: and two justices, samuel alito, a conservative, and justice ketanji brown jackson, one of the liberals, sort of talked about this at very different viewpoints. marcia: very different view points. >> if an incumbent who loses a hotly contested election knows that a real possibility after leaving office is not that the president is going to be able to go off into a peaceful retirement, but that the president may be criminally prosecuted by a bitter political opponent, will that not lead us into a cycle that destabilizes the functioning of our country as a democracy? >> i think it's exactly the opposite. there is an appropriate way to challenge things through the courts with evidence. if you lose, you accept the results. that has been the nation's experience. >> you seem to be worried about the president being chilled. i think that we would have a really significant opposite problem if the president wasn't chilled. if someone with those kinds of powers, the most powerful person in the world, with the greatest amount of authority, could go into office knowing that there would be no potenti
john: and two justices, samuel alito, a conservative, and justice ketanji brown jackson, one of the liberals, sort of talked about this at very different viewpoints. marcia: very different view points. >> if an incumbent who loses a hotly contested election knows that a real possibility after leaving office is not that the president is going to be able to go off into a peaceful retirement, but that the president may be criminally prosecuted by a bitter political opponent, will that not...
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bush, one by biden, and one by trump, who was an alito clerk, they are going to have to decide will they now need to get this law rewritten and submitted to them in a separate filing from texas? are they going to simply take into account the old law or what they said in oral arguments today? essentially they have to weigh in on the constitutionality of this law, and whoever wins we can be sure the losing side will appeal to the supreme court. and of course immigration is becoming such a huge part of the trump campaign, with a lot of, you know, false statements, and actually, i was, you know, checking the records. immigration is -- it was higher under trump initially. >> than under obama. >> than under obama. >> yes. >> and when biden came in it was at least initially not as high as of course it became. >> now covid obviously put a huge damper on immigration in 2020, and so biden would have taken office. really the overall trend is that immigration has continued to rise over the last decade because we have a global problem in the western sphere. we're seeing people try to fly africa. each
bush, one by biden, and one by trump, who was an alito clerk, they are going to have to decide will they now need to get this law rewritten and submitted to them in a separate filing from texas? are they going to simply take into account the old law or what they said in oral arguments today? essentially they have to weigh in on the constitutionality of this law, and whoever wins we can be sure the losing side will appeal to the supreme court. and of course immigration is becoming such a huge...
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at one point, justice alito even saying, i don't want to talk about this particular case. the question i would ask is, why not? this is the case before you. one of the most simple and democracy-enhancing things this court could have done would be to say, there may be circumstances in which presidents are entitled to immunity, but this indictment, as alleged here, doesn't constitute one of those scenarios, and we as a court can always revisit it if and when the facts present themselves to us that would cause us to have a different conclusion. >> barbara, lisa said right off the top, based on what she heard yesterday, there is no chance that this makes it to trial before the election. certainly no verdict before the election. that seems to be the consensus view. if that is the case, if you agree with that, how does this play out now, for our view viewers. we have the ruling, then what happens to this case? >> it depends on how they decide this case. it seems like, reading the tea leaves, that there will be at least five justices who say that there is limited immunity for a p
at one point, justice alito even saying, i don't want to talk about this particular case. the question i would ask is, why not? this is the case before you. one of the most simple and democracy-enhancing things this court could have done would be to say, there may be circumstances in which presidents are entitled to immunity, but this indictment, as alleged here, doesn't constitute one of those scenarios, and we as a court can always revisit it if and when the facts present themselves to us...
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most remarkable, justice alito who seemed to suggest -- not didn't seem, who suggested that the greater threat is not the president who tried to overturn an election, but the threat of prosecution for a president tempted to overturn an election. >> yes, it was very interesting to see the conservative justices who are typically not pro-defendant or anti-law enforcement by any means suddenly preoccupied with systemic bias in the criminal justice system. i mean, they almost sounded woke. you know? they seemed to say, seemed to be thinking, as you said, that the greater threat, the bigger threat to the stability of our democracy is the criminal justice system, not a wanton, lawless, rogue president sitting in the oval office, and that's kind of a very trumpian world view. >> timothy parlatore, your read on the supreme court? >> i do think that they're going to chart a middle road here, and certainly trump brings people together on issues of the two-tier system of justice. you know, having done that investigation myself, i will tell you that there is, you know, risks along with any investiga
most remarkable, justice alito who seemed to suggest -- not didn't seem, who suggested that the greater threat is not the president who tried to overturn an election, but the threat of prosecution for a president tempted to overturn an election. >> yes, it was very interesting to see the conservative justices who are typically not pro-defendant or anti-law enforcement by any means suddenly preoccupied with systemic bias in the criminal justice system. i mean, they almost sounded woke. you...
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if trump and roberts, alito and gorsuch and thomas and leonard, leo and, the heritage foundation, ife no they get a hold, there will be no government left. there will be no right lefs lef. you'll live under theocracy. you'll end u thap christian nationalism. >> but that's all right. you know, 26-year-old, you like feel the elections in part animated, not addressing the issues that i care about. >> don't worry. with joe unable to communicate effectively, democrats are once again rolling out welln --, they're not so secret weapon. that's right. vp harris said recently duringr. ,you know, pretty grotesque fawning interview with drew ine, cuomo spoke out against those who dare to criticizee her constant, inappropriate, weird giggling and laughing. taked giggling look. >> you know, you were asking me earlier about what it means to bout whate like the first won >> and, you know, it's funny because people go get usedmy sta to it. right. i mean, my staff, for example, l sometimes they'll show me little things that just amuse showhing. >> like, apparently some people love to talk about the way
if trump and roberts, alito and gorsuch and thomas and leonard, leo and, the heritage foundation, ife no they get a hold, there will be no government left. there will be no right lefs lef. you'll live under theocracy. you'll end u thap christian nationalism. >> but that's all right. you know, 26-year-old, you like feel the elections in part animated, not addressing the issues that i care about. >> don't worry. with joe unable to communicate effectively, democrats are once again...
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. >> i've got to say, the other trump appointees and alito and thomas were, yeah, okay, well, maybe it is. it was jarring. i've never -- i'm rarely jarred by the supreme court. i understand their role and what they do and that there are very conservative and very liberal people on the court. >> right. >> but in this case, it was staggering. >> shocking. lisa, the trial continues. the hush money criminal trial continues in new york city this week. what can we expect witnesses, testimony that you're going to be watching for? >> mika, tomorrow, we'll see the resumption of testimony of a gentleman named gary farrow, michael cohen's banker at the now defunct bank. that's where cohen directed the money to davidson, stormy daniels' lawyer, and that's an act cohen has been held criminally responsible. why? he lied on the forms to open that account. maybe more importantly, somebody at first republic bank flagged the transaction as risky and notified the treasury department. we never found out who that person was. that could turn out to be the gentleman on the stand, gary far farrow. watch for t
. >> i've got to say, the other trump appointees and alito and thomas were, yeah, okay, well, maybe it is. it was jarring. i've never -- i'm rarely jarred by the supreme court. i understand their role and what they do and that there are very conservative and very liberal people on the court. >> right. >> but in this case, it was staggering. >> shocking. lisa, the trial continues. the hush money criminal trial continues in new york city this week. what can we expect...