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ultimately they in the same way isis and al qaeda do, they energize individuals. we called them lone wolves. that's not accurate. they're energized by websites that grab them and incite them to come up with violent acts. what does victory look like? >> my hope is we collect a few,000. daily storm is collecting money. we had testimony that they're collecting money as a bitcoin account. send a message to support neo-na neo-nazis, it goes to muslim guy you don't like and so we can strangle his revenue source. i would like that very much. combatting white nationalism, white supremacy, much harder. need leadership from the white house, not someone whose words make them cheer. just when this back chant happened, they documented white supremacists were cheering president trump for using that language. it didn't end in the campaign, it continued. there's a reason david duke said you're a traitor to your heritage if you do not support donald trump. doesn't matter what people think of him, white supremacists love him. that should trouble anyone in this country. doesn't matt
ultimately they in the same way isis and al qaeda do, they energize individuals. we called them lone wolves. that's not accurate. they're energized by websites that grab them and incite them to come up with violent acts. what does victory look like? >> my hope is we collect a few,000. daily storm is collecting money. we had testimony that they're collecting money as a bitcoin account. send a message to support neo-na neo-nazis, it goes to muslim guy you don't like and so we can strangle...
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how this is the same thing they've struggled with with al qaeda and isis. how do they know when someone is a real warning of an act. >> it is they've made their intention clear. if people are discussing their hatred for a particular group. they're discussing political views not popular. those things are protected speech. i don't agree the language with. what they're saying. people have the right to say those things. you may know that somebody is out purchasing weapons? that with speech that may be protected may be a trigger for law enforcement to get a search warrant or conduct surveillance. to try collect information that may be indicative of a crime law enforcement is on the lookout for that those that surround the individuals out to cause harm are in the best position to see first hand. to have information that is of value that would allow law enforcement to take some specific action. law enforcement action. absent that, it is very, very difficult. let me add one other thing. the challenge, even if you did have specific information that would allow for a
how this is the same thing they've struggled with with al qaeda and isis. how do they know when someone is a real warning of an act. >> it is they've made their intention clear. if people are discussing their hatred for a particular group. they're discussing political views not popular. those things are protected speech. i don't agree the language with. what they're saying. people have the right to say those things. you may know that somebody is out purchasing weapons? that with speech...
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if the afghani taliban has always been a haven for al qaeda, never backed away for this and not just al qaeda but a number of other groups, like the one behind the mumbai attack and pakistani taliban, which claimed an attempted attack in times square a couple of years ago. >> at the same time you spent time recently in syria. >> yes. >> and there's talk about isis being resurgent in of this sm z places. how do we describe it? pompeo said they don't control land, the caliphate. there may be fancy footwork going on there. what do we need to know about terrorist groups, isis in particular, in iraq and syria? >> it was clear when i was there in february and first days of march that isis had never been defeated. this was a group that still had thousands of members. the inspector general's report puts the number between 14,000 and 18,000 members just in iraq and syria. that's a huge cohort of potential fighters that they have. what happened is they no longer control territory and that territory was a haeven through which they had their cyber cafes through which they were remote controlling
if the afghani taliban has always been a haven for al qaeda, never backed away for this and not just al qaeda but a number of other groups, like the one behind the mumbai attack and pakistani taliban, which claimed an attempted attack in times square a couple of years ago. >> at the same time you spent time recently in syria. >> yes. >> and there's talk about isis being resurgent in of this sm z places. how do we describe it? pompeo said they don't control land, the caliphate....
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qaeda we went after and tried to destroy both, certainly weakened al qaeda. taliban still very much exists. what is to say if we have a peace agreement with the taliban that the taliban once america is out is not going to try to partner up once again and allow for the presence of another terrorist organization? not in a formal alliance but just allow them to use the land the way al qaeda did in 2001 and prior to that? >> nothing. nothing guarantees that. i think the administration knows that. >> is the u.s. realistically going to ask the taliban, hey, we'll cut a deal but no isis or al qaeda in your presence and expect the taliban to fulfill that? >> trust but verify, right? there has to be a mechanism. if it doesn't happen then the u.s. can come right back in and do what it has to do but the worry is that once you pull out capabilities that takes a lot of time and time to bring them back in. it is not just a question of dropping in trigger pullers who can kick down doors and go after leadership of these organizations. all of those things require air assets a
qaeda we went after and tried to destroy both, certainly weakened al qaeda. taliban still very much exists. what is to say if we have a peace agreement with the taliban that the taliban once america is out is not going to try to partner up once again and allow for the presence of another terrorist organization? not in a formal alliance but just allow them to use the land the way al qaeda did in 2001 and prior to that? >> nothing. nothing guarantees that. i think the administration knows...
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if this were an al qaeda or isis-inspired thing, things would happen a different way. but we treat them at one of his, but they're occurring in more days than when we in the year. >> that's right. we don't put a label on it domestically because we don't have a domestic terrorist organization designation like we do al qaeda or i.c.e. we had a series of cases that inspired a lot of americans to do attacks from home. we essentially designated anybody who followed that ideology and we would lead investigation in that way. we don't have that today in the domestic setting. instead we treat each of these as one-off investigations. the fbi did a remarkable job based on their limited ability to go after this as a cohesive ideology. you can see it spring up in a global fashion. new zealand, norway, the united states repeatedly. it's a white identity movement. they plan and plot, they pick a out their targets and celebrate each other. it's remarkable the ideology is made from whoever has the most successful attack of you're seeing them build one after each other trying to one-up
if this were an al qaeda or isis-inspired thing, things would happen a different way. but we treat them at one of his, but they're occurring in more days than when we in the year. >> that's right. we don't put a label on it domestically because we don't have a domestic terrorist organization designation like we do al qaeda or i.c.e. we had a series of cases that inspired a lot of americans to do attacks from home. we essentially designated anybody who followed that ideology and we would...
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how this is the same thing they've struggled with with al qaeda and isis. how do they know when someone is a real warning of an act. >> it is they've made their intention clear. if people are discussing their hatred for a particular group. they're discussing political views not popular. those things are protected speech. i don't agree the language with. what they're saying. people have the right to say those things. you may know that somebody is out purchasing weapons? that with speech that may be protected may be a trigger for law enforcement to get a search warrant or conduct surveillance. to try collect information that may be indicative of a crime law enforcement is on the lookout for that those that surround the individuals out to cause harm are in the best position to see first hand. to have information that is of value that would allow law enforcement to take some specific action. law enforcement action. absent that, it is very, very difficult. let me add one other thing. the challenge, even if you did have specific information that would allow for a
how this is the same thing they've struggled with with al qaeda and isis. how do they know when someone is a real warning of an act. >> it is they've made their intention clear. if people are discussing their hatred for a particular group. they're discussing political views not popular. those things are protected speech. i don't agree the language with. what they're saying. people have the right to say those things. you may know that somebody is out purchasing weapons? that with speech...
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most of the coverage during that time period was about a thwarted plot in texas that was al qaeda inspired. when you look at how we've treated this over the last decade, all the procedures, everything we push, whether it's even during the obama administration, it was disproportionately po focussed on al qaeda and the islamic state. we didn't want to think maybe this is a growing ied ylg of ideology -- white hate that is inspiring each other, and while it has lots of similarities, it's also different, and we've got to get around how we want to tackle it. >> mimi, if you were a senator, with law writing power. what would you do for your former fellow feds who are now in this fight? >> look, the first thing i would do is get them more resources. one day to do that is to create a domestic terrorist statute. we do not have that right now. we can prosecute someone for murder, but we're not prosecuting them for the crime that it is which is seeking to kill people because of their ideology, because of who they are, seeking to intimidate people. there is a definition of domestic terrorism in the fe
most of the coverage during that time period was about a thwarted plot in texas that was al qaeda inspired. when you look at how we've treated this over the last decade, all the procedures, everything we push, whether it's even during the obama administration, it was disproportionately po focussed on al qaeda and the islamic state. we didn't want to think maybe this is a growing ied ylg of ideology -- white hate that is inspiring each other, and while it has lots of similarities, it's also...
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those would apply to acts like this, as well as to al qaeda and isis-inspired acts. >> i have a question for mr. ras mussen. and i'll speak plainly. how on earth do we expect our feds to figure out who the next loser is? who's the next loser kid who just tonight is angry at something, just tonight lost his girlfriend, learned he won't make a certain team at school. he's been slighted and it just happened in the privacy of his own room. he may be the next name we're broadcasting here. >> well, josh pointed earlier to some of the difficulty law enforcement has in identifying that kind of actor before he takes action. but the story is probably not a lot different than what we saw with isis-inspired characters. what would turn out in the aftermath is someone would emerge afterwards and say, i knew something was wrong. i knew that individual was off. i knew that individual had withdrawn from normal interaction. i knew something was not right. i wish i had done something. i wish i had spoken to a family member. i wish i had called the cops or spoken to a pastor. it's not if we are helpless in
those would apply to acts like this, as well as to al qaeda and isis-inspired acts. >> i have a question for mr. ras mussen. and i'll speak plainly. how on earth do we expect our feds to figure out who the next loser is? who's the next loser kid who just tonight is angry at something, just tonight lost his girlfriend, learned he won't make a certain team at school. he's been slighted and it just happened in the privacy of his own room. he may be the next name we're broadcasting here....
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, the islamic terrorist threat changed dramatically from al qaeda to isis. why? because isis had mastered how to use social media to recruit, to inspire. so they changed the world of international terrorism. in our own country increasingly we're seeing acts of domestic terrorism that are, in fact, inspired in some instances directed, but not frequently, but largely inspired by the ability to in a sense access sites and locations on social media where they can, in fact, embrace ideas, have expanded ideas generated, that allow this hatred to increase. we're going to hear a lot of talk over these next several days about what we should be doing about this, gun laws, et cetera. i'm an optimist, but in this issue, unfortunately, i can guarantee two weeks from now, a month from now, six months from now, nothing will change. nothing will change, in particular, because we're into an election year in the presidential race. you think that's when things would actually get done, but i think that's actually going to compound the inaction that we're going to see. there wil
, the islamic terrorist threat changed dramatically from al qaeda to isis. why? because isis had mastered how to use social media to recruit, to inspire. so they changed the world of international terrorism. in our own country increasingly we're seeing acts of domestic terrorism that are, in fact, inspired in some instances directed, but not frequently, but largely inspired by the ability to in a sense access sites and locations on social media where they can, in fact, embrace ideas, have...
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it spreads just like with isis and al qaeda. it's nothing new. just repackaged for the digital age." expound on that. >> well, let's take you back historically. you know, there was a notorious meeting of organized hate in estes park, colorado, in 1992, and it was the klansmen, the militias, the antigovernment extremists, haters, the neo-nazi pasto pastors, and they met there in the mountains. and lewis beam, the notorious klansman, issued a writing at that meeting about leaderless resistance. and it was on the heels of all of us in the federal service and law enforcement breaking up a lot of these klan and nazi groups by infiltrating them. i mean, we were infiltrating those claverns and groups and taking down their conspiracies. i mean, we had actually had atf agents, you know, marching as klansmen inside, infiltrating the groups in klan marches. fbi was working on them. atf was infiltrating them. we were destroying them. and beam came up with this leaderless resistance. it was from an old military idea against the soviet union developed in the '
it spreads just like with isis and al qaeda. it's nothing new. just repackaged for the digital age." expound on that. >> well, let's take you back historically. you know, there was a notorious meeting of organized hate in estes park, colorado, in 1992, and it was the klansmen, the militias, the antigovernment extremists, haters, the neo-nazi pasto pastors, and they met there in the mountains. and lewis beam, the notorious klansman, issued a writing at that meeting about leaderless...
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those would apply to acts like this, as well as to al qaeda and isis-inspired acts. >> i have a question for mr. ras mussen. and i'll speak plainly. how on earth do we expect our feds to figure out who the next loser is? who's the next loser kid who just tonight is angry at something, just tonight lost his girlfriend, learned he won't make a certain team at school. he's been slighted and it just happened in the privacy of his own room. he may be the next name we're broadcasting here. >> well, josh pointed earlier to some of the difficulty law enforcement has in identifying that kind of actor before he takes action. but the story is probably not a lot different than what we saw with isis-inspired characters. what would turn out in the aftermath is someone would emerge afterwards and say, i knew something was wrong. i knew that individual was off. i knew that individual had withdrawn from normal interaction. i knew something was not right. i wish i had done something. i wish i had spoken to a family member. i wish i had called the cops or spoken to a pastor. it's not if we are helpless in
those would apply to acts like this, as well as to al qaeda and isis-inspired acts. >> i have a question for mr. ras mussen. and i'll speak plainly. how on earth do we expect our feds to figure out who the next loser is? who's the next loser kid who just tonight is angry at something, just tonight lost his girlfriend, learned he won't make a certain team at school. he's been slighted and it just happened in the privacy of his own room. he may be the next name we're broadcasting here....
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appearing in an al qaeda video soon after the september 11th attacks. followed by a series of video and audio after his father and brother killed by u.s. navy s.e.a.l.s in 2011. his rising influence noticed on a global scale. saudi arabia revoking his citizenship, the u.s. state department announcing a $1 million reward for information about his where about. so hallie, it appears as if hamza bin laden was groomed to take over the terror organization that his father built years ago. he was raised in jihad. just 7 years old, as i said, when his father declared a holy war against the united states. . but the one thing he didn't have was any kind of war time or operational experience. that was something that he would have had a hard time with taking over al qaeda. he was never really a fighter, hallie. >> courtney kube, as we look at that wanted poster there. i know you're working on more good reporting. we'll see you back here if you get it. thank you. >> thanks. >>> we'll be right back with what our sources are saying as we hear from lawmakers on capitol
appearing in an al qaeda video soon after the september 11th attacks. followed by a series of video and audio after his father and brother killed by u.s. navy s.e.a.l.s in 2011. his rising influence noticed on a global scale. saudi arabia revoking his citizenship, the u.s. state department announcing a $1 million reward for information about his where about. so hallie, it appears as if hamza bin laden was groomed to take over the terror organization that his father built years ago. he was...
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you take down an al qaeda prisoner. you have to come up with the conclusion. are you going to take them home to the united states and prosecute them even if you don't have enough information? what are you going to do? the cia quickly says we didn't have sort of a game plan for the post 9/11 world. we're going to create our own secret prisons overseas in our own interrogation program. there are problems with the interrogation process. the program matured. simple proposition early on. if you have a prisoner and you can't leave him in his home country, what are you going to do with them? >> tell us why every intelligence and interrogation professional knows the name? >> it was an individual who was taken into custody in afghanistan. that was before the formal black site program began. there was a prison in afghanistan that held individuals managed by the cia. he was put in a cell one night and chained to the floor and died of hypothermia. that was a wakeup call for the cia. they are involved in the fight against al qaeda in the days and months and years after 9/1
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there was a man in arizona promulgating the alt right and al qaeda. they're picking the ideology they want. it's hard to figure out when they're moving to an organized ideology. it's very difficult to picture out the trigger point. >> a great piece. clint watts is an nbc analyst and the author of "messing with the enemy." >>> up next, days after the i.c.e. raids across mississippi that ended with the arrests of 700 undocumented immigrants one of the countries targeted in those raids held a job fair today. >>> plus i'm joined by one of the attorneys who travelled to mississippi to offer free legal advice to families affected by the i.c.e. raids there. you're watching msnbc. you're watching msnbc. i wanted to help protect myself. my doctor recommended eliquis. eliquis is proven to treat and help prevent another dvt or pe blood clot... almost 98 percent of patients on eliquis didn't experience another. ...and eliquis has significantly less major bleeding than the standard treatment. eliquis is fda approved and has both. don't stop eliquis unless your doc
there was a man in arizona promulgating the alt right and al qaeda. they're picking the ideology they want. it's hard to figure out when they're moving to an organized ideology. it's very difficult to picture out the trigger point. >> a great piece. clint watts is an nbc analyst and the author of "messing with the enemy." >>> up next, days after the i.c.e. raids across mississippi that ended with the arrests of 700 undocumented immigrants one of the countries targeted...
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isis inspires individuals, al qaeda inspired individuals would be viewed as international terrorists even though they were in our neighborhoods living and working right down the street from all of us. >> what's the significance of the fbi saying they are investigating something as domestic terrorism. >> i'm not sure there's a tremendous amount of legal significance. as you pointed out there's not a domestic terrorism statut earthquake. it's defined in law but it's not prohibited in a way that allows the justice department to charge an individual with domestic terrorism. it's more of a cat gegorizatioc. they will work the problem because it's domestic terrorism. >> what makes someone a domestic terrorism? >> when a violent act is undertaken with the idea of pressuring the government, influencing the government, intimidating the population for a political end that makes it terrorism. that distinguishing it from ran dan a random acts of violence. >> there's a line between political motive and political beliefs. there's a lot of people on the right trying to make the dayton story part of
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just like with isis and al qaeda, it proliferates us all. our leaders have to step up and see what they can do on all fronts. they talk about one front, mental health, they talk about the other front. it is all fronts. war is fought on all fronts. you have to fight it digitally, the mental health challenges and you have to have the good laws. if they're talking about one, they're trying to dodge the other one for some political purpose. you have to talk about all of them. >> that's the way it works. this is an important point. we have a gun problem in this country. we have a treatment of mental health. the growing problem with domestic terrorism and saying its name. stand by for me. i want to bring in the former fbi director for counter intelligence. also an msnbc national security analyst. this point that we just made is an important one. that is that we cannot to the exclusion of any of these important matters choose one of them. but this does seem to be the intersection. we have no idea by the way whether mental health is a role. the gove
just like with isis and al qaeda, it proliferates us all. our leaders have to step up and see what they can do on all fronts. they talk about one front, mental health, they talk about the other front. it is all fronts. war is fought on all fronts. you have to fight it digitally, the mental health challenges and you have to have the good laws. if they're talking about one, they're trying to dodge the other one for some political purpose. you have to talk about all of them. >> that's the...
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the terrorism threat changed from al qaeda to isis, why? because isis had mastered how to use social media to recruit, and so they changed the world of international terrorism. in our own country, increasingly seeing acts of domestic terrorism that are inspired, and in some instances directed, but not frequently, but largely inspired by the ability to in a sense access sites and locations on social media where they can in fact embrace ideas, have expanded ideas generated that allow this hatred to increase. we're going to hear a lot of talk about what we should be doing about this, gun laws, et cetera, i'm an optimism, but in this issue, unfortunately, i can guarantee two weeks from now, a month from now, six months from now, nothing will change. nothing will change in particular because we're into an election year in the presidential race. and you think that's when things would get done, but i think that's going to compound the inaction that we're going to see. there's going to be no action on the part of our congress. and none of them will
the terrorism threat changed from al qaeda to isis, why? because isis had mastered how to use social media to recruit, and so they changed the world of international terrorism. in our own country, increasingly seeing acts of domestic terrorism that are inspired, and in some instances directed, but not frequently, but largely inspired by the ability to in a sense access sites and locations on social media where they can in fact embrace ideas, have expanded ideas generated that allow this hatred...
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in exchange, the taliban would agree to a cease fire and disavow al qaeda. this initial deal to end the nearly 18-year-old war could be finalized as soon as next month ahead of the afghan presidential elections. 14 u.s. service members have been killed in afghanistan this year alone. the latest two soldiers were killed on monday. joining me now is the former supreme allied commander at nato and nbc news chief international and diplomacy analyst. what are your thoughts on this potential withdrawal? >> i am of a mixed mind as follows. what we want to avoid here is a replay of vietnam in the early '70s where we got so politically hungry to leave that we ended up with the complete collapse of the regime and helicopters lifting off the embassy, hauling the last few diplomats away under fire. we're a long way from that scenario, but this current agreement is a practical u.s. concession withdrawing troops. yet i don't really see the practical steps from the taliban. so i think it's a flashing yellow light at this point. and just to keep it in perspective, when i co
in exchange, the taliban would agree to a cease fire and disavow al qaeda. this initial deal to end the nearly 18-year-old war could be finalized as soon as next month ahead of the afghan presidential elections. 14 u.s. service members have been killed in afghanistan this year alone. the latest two soldiers were killed on monday. joining me now is the former supreme allied commander at nato and nbc news chief international and diplomacy analyst. what are your thoughts on this potential...
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i mean, after al qaeda terrorists killed 3,000 americans, we made complete changes into the nature of the american state and how we live our lives. 18 years after a guy tried to light his shoe on fire, right? we still take our shoes off at the airport, unless you're smart enough to get that tsa. but the comparison to jihadi terrorism makes sense. it's weird for this reason. you don't actually have to look abroad to some foreign analog, some terrorist entity like isis for the threat of american white supremacists seeking to use violence to impose a white ethno-state in america. right? that's an american tradition. in fact, it's not just an american tradition. it's really the inception of what terrorism in america is. i mean, first there were white settlers and they often used terror and violence to take lands from indigenous peoples but then the really first terrorist organization in america was made up of white supremacist force aftermatter of fact civil war. they arose because they didn't like the demographic change that was happening. right? they wanted to preserve a white man's rep
i mean, after al qaeda terrorists killed 3,000 americans, we made complete changes into the nature of the american state and how we live our lives. 18 years after a guy tried to light his shoe on fire, right? we still take our shoes off at the airport, unless you're smart enough to get that tsa. but the comparison to jihadi terrorism makes sense. it's weird for this reason. you don't actually have to look abroad to some foreign analog, some terrorist entity like isis for the threat of american...
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qaeda-inspired terror. not to put this on par, we have about the same people killed since 9/11 in these domestic, often white supremacist oriented hate crimes, but also it gives you the ability to prosecute some of the supporting crimes. the providing material support to terror, which would not be available in a domestic terrorism case. it also i think gives the same priority and stigma to these crimes as any other form of terrorism. in our bill this year, the intelligence authorization act, we demand an annual report on domestic terrorism. we have been working with the agencies, the nctc, department of homeland security, fbi, to find out are they devoting the resources to this? are they looking for the trends? are we thinking about it in the same comprehensive way that we have fought since 9/11 about dealing with the isis and al qaeda-inspired terror? >> domestically, this is primarily in federal terms an fbi jurisdiction. and we have reports that 80% of the fbi's attention in this arena is focused on the
qaeda-inspired terror. not to put this on par, we have about the same people killed since 9/11 in these domestic, often white supremacist oriented hate crimes, but also it gives you the ability to prosecute some of the supporting crimes. the providing material support to terror, which would not be available in a domestic terrorism case. it also i think gives the same priority and stigma to these crimes as any other form of terrorism. in our bill this year, the intelligence authorization act, we...
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qaeda, hamas, al-shabab and so forth. here at home, there is no specific group and it's harder for the fbi to have dots to connect and that's why there's fewer resources. >> peter, i always appreciate your insight. we mentioned president trump was speaking to reporters as he departs from daytor dayton and . let's go to kelly o'donnell. kelly, what's he been saying? >> reporter: this is a snapshot of an interchange with reporters, because you know from covering the white house, the president is still on the south lawn. the way this works is that is being recorded on tape, and when we have that tape accessible, we'll bring it back and play it. so in the interim, our colleagues are sharing some notes. so these are not exact quotes, but i can give you a sense of a very lively conversation the president is having with reporters on a range of topics, including some of the critical news of the day related to these shootings. the president is saying, based on, again, we're piecing together what he's talking about. apparently ther
qaeda, hamas, al-shabab and so forth. here at home, there is no specific group and it's harder for the fbi to have dots to connect and that's why there's fewer resources. >> peter, i always appreciate your insight. we mentioned president trump was speaking to reporters as he departs from daytor dayton and . let's go to kelly o'donnell. kelly, what's he been saying? >> reporter: this is a snapshot of an interchange with reporters, because you know from covering the white house, the...
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we were really about violent ideology leading to al qaeda and isis. today, we have a lot of violent rhetoric going around that comes from, not just elected leaders, but around the world, from a network that exists on the fringe platforms. we have seen social media companies do with international terrorism. we seem them push off yubtoutub twitter, facebook. now, they go to the french sites. they are congregating there online. and what's fascinating about how this is emerging, is they are using the manifestos to inspire each other. consistently, what you see with each one of the shooters, they're pointing to other successful attacks. they're pointing to others that they see as sort of heroes in their cult-like movement. and they're then building that ideology, based on the success of their own attacks. i think we've done a much better job here, you know, on msnbc and a lot of the other channels, about not broadcasting the manifestos and even much about the personality. but that doesn't stop them in the very small worlds out there on the internet, about
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qaeda, not wanting to deal with the afghan government. so that's continued. now president trump has carried that through. i think it's important to note that both sides of the aisle agree on a need to end this, on a need to withdraw, but at the end of the day the problem is you have a looming election and a president who has campaigned on withdrawing from afghanistan. his contenders have said we want to get out of the never ending wars but if you withdraw too quickly you're going to have a breeding ground for terrorism again and the reason that matters is because that's what caused us the problem from the beginning that led to osama bin laden to his rise, that allowed him to build al qaeda and affect us on our homeland. >> there's a tim by peter fever who was on the national security council and said this centers on a really important question, did the united states win or lose. he goes back to vietnam and the legacy of that conflict. that's what this centers on now as well. yes, there's talk of withdrawing or ending this, having some sor
qaeda, not wanting to deal with the afghan government. so that's continued. now president trump has carried that through. i think it's important to note that both sides of the aisle agree on a need to end this, on a need to withdraw, but at the end of the day the problem is you have a looming election and a president who has campaigned on withdrawing from afghanistan. his contenders have said we want to get out of the never ending wars but if you withdraw too quickly you're going to have a...
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we do that because we know al qaeda other eye says sites are where people go to talk about killing. on the domestic terrorism side, because of our free speech and privacy rights that are the basis of our government and democracy, we stay away from those sites, because people are free to speak as we wish about who they hate or what skin color they hate. the problem is there's a gap. we're know throat when we start talking about from hating those people to killing those people. it's time for a discussion in congress to ask law enforcement what tools do you need to stop this from happening? >> i think we have the sound of christopher wray talking about this threat. let's watch. >> through the othird quarter of this fiscal year had about, give officer take, about 100 arrests on the international terrorism size, which includes the home-grown extremism. >> this year? >> this year, but don't quote me to the exact digit, on the domestic terrorism side. a majority of the domestic terrorism cases that we have investigated are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist
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isis, al qaeda, hamas, al shabaab. with domestic terrorism, just people standing around in a chat room electronically speaking, spouting white supremacist views it's hard to know how to get a handle on investigating that or what material support to that would be. those are the big legislative challenges. >> and i want to return to the assault weapon ban which was legislated in 1994. it expired by congress' decision ten years later. i know there's a lot of conflicting data on whether it helped, didn't help. but at this point, the assault wep ban and the large magazines. look at what that shooter accomplished in 30 seconds with that large magazine. >> reporter: basically firing two rounds per second because of the high capacity there. banning assault weapons is one thing some states are looking at. other states are looking at banning high capacity magazines. it seems hard to believe you'd have a ban on assault weapons themselves. but perhaps some of these other features is something congress would consider. >> thank you
isis, al qaeda, hamas, al shabaab. with domestic terrorism, just people standing around in a chat room electronically speaking, spouting white supremacist views it's hard to know how to get a handle on investigating that or what material support to that would be. those are the big legislative challenges. >> and i want to return to the assault weapon ban which was legislated in 1994. it expired by congress' decision ten years later. i know there's a lot of conflicting data on whether it...
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it's not over isis or al qaeda, but over the rising threat of far-right violence in this country. is it time to reassess the government's response to domestic terrorism specifically? we'll dig into that in just a moment. but we start here. and as the nation mourns the senseless murders of 31 people shot in two massacres over the weekend. a lot of folks across the country are looking to washington to finally do something about the epidemic of gun violence in this country. today we're learning more about the victims and the investigations as well as washington tries to figure out what can be done to prevent the next tragedy. we're going to get more details now from nbc's gabe gutierrez who remains on duty for us in dayton, ohio. phillip mena is in el paso, texas. peter alexander is at his post at the white house. gabe, what more, if anything, do we know about what happened just a few feet behind you and why? >> reporter: well, an incredible act of rinse yesterday. we are learning more about the gunman as investigators dig more into his past. we are also seeing just some horrifying v
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qaeda operatives. there was then a move towards military commissions. and then when the obama administration came in, i remember going to a meeting at the white house with 9/11 families where they were told there was going to be a shift to another form of military commissions in order to bring swift and certain justice. that was in 2009. so that is fully ten years ago, and we're talking about maybe having a trial in another year and a half, two years from now. under the obama administration it also kind of languished. they considered bringing these people to the united states for trials in civilian courts, then pushed back from capitol hill, that never happened. the whole military commission process really became kind of a stepchild or a zombie, whatever metaphor you want to use here, it just kind of marched on with all of the problems and no real accountability to keep it moving. >> i hear you say maybe having a trial a year and a half from now. given that history you're describing here, what are the
qaeda operatives. there was then a move towards military commissions. and then when the obama administration came in, i remember going to a meeting at the white house with 9/11 families where they were told there was going to be a shift to another form of military commissions in order to bring swift and certain justice. that was in 2009. so that is fully ten years ago, and we're talking about maybe having a trial in another year and a half, two years from now. under the obama administration it...
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a recruiter for al qaeda out there. is there a centralization to this or is this a little more disparate? >> i think one of the things that makes it so difficult to fight and confront is that it's really insidious and pretty diffuse. within white nationalism, you have different factions. people who consider themselves more academic racists, like richard spencer who say they aren't pushing violence but who organize conference abc things like that. then you have people who actively want to create violence and look to people like dylann roof or other mass shooters as their icons in this movement. i think the most troubling thing like the unifying thing for all those people, if you spend time on gab or 8chan or storm front, these places where they spooek speak to each other, the people they're going back to for inspiration, the quotes they're resharing are quotes from people like thomas jefferson or george washington who was referenced earlier in this segment. these white nationalist ideas are a part of what we've been. tha
a recruiter for al qaeda out there. is there a centralization to this or is this a little more disparate? >> i think one of the things that makes it so difficult to fight and confront is that it's really insidious and pretty diffuse. within white nationalism, you have different factions. people who consider themselves more academic racists, like richard spencer who say they aren't pushing violence but who organize conference abc things like that. then you have people who actively want to...
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. >> worth noting, that the al qaeda war against america was in some cases predicated on the idea that americans were invading the holy land, the muslim holy land. that feels the idea there were american troops in saudi arabia, osama bin laden used that language as well. anybody who doesn't like other people can use the word, invasion, and it gets people worked up. it gets people sort of on side to fight the war. >> but given the united states, who we are, our changing demographic, and who have become americans it's hard to understand the idea of an invasion here. >> coming up next we'll continue talking about the politics of guns. we'll break down key details about the nra and what makes that organization so powerful. the donations, the money, and the membership. you are watching "velshi and ruhle" live on msnbc. unpredictable crohn's symptoms following you? for adults with moderately to severely active crohn's disease, stelara® works differently. studies showed relief and remission, with dosing every 8 weeks. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your
. >> worth noting, that the al qaeda war against america was in some cases predicated on the idea that americans were invading the holy land, the muslim holy land. that feels the idea there were american troops in saudi arabia, osama bin laden used that language as well. anybody who doesn't like other people can use the word, invasion, and it gets people worked up. it gets people sort of on side to fight the war. >> but given the united states, who we are, our changing demographic,...
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is he a nazi sympathizer, want to be an al qaeda sympathizer, a hate group member, a klansman, was he fired from the walmart? you just had a shooting in a walmart in mississippi in the last four days, it was a disgruntled empye of service, shot two people and a police officer as well. the people he's associated with, or just on the web, that has to be all sorted out. the reason is law enforcement wants to see who else could be involved. and to go to your question, is there anything else that can be done to thwart any organization if it is criminally motivated. >> i want to go now to a tweet from the junior senator from texas, ted cruz, now joining the ranks of those who are giving their thoughts about the tragedy that has unfolded in el paso today. heidi and i are praying for everyone in el paso as events continue to unfold. please heed any warnings from local authorities and law enforcement and stay safe. this right here is the el paso fire department. they have tweeted, according to the police department no immediate threats are present at the scene anymore. still, do not attempt to
is he a nazi sympathizer, want to be an al qaeda sympathizer, a hate group member, a klansman, was he fired from the walmart? you just had a shooting in a walmart in mississippi in the last four days, it was a disgruntled empye of service, shot two people and a police officer as well. the people he's associated with, or just on the web, that has to be all sorted out. the reason is law enforcement wants to see who else could be involved. and to go to your question, is there anything else that...
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we do, do that, we should take domestic white terrorism as seriously as isis or al qaeda. the body count would at least suggest that? evan and ben, thank you. >>> dozens of survivors of both shootings are still being treated at hospitals here in dayton and el paso, texas as well. i talked to one nurse who jumped in to help in the moments after shots rang out. what she told me about those harrowing moments when we come back live here in dayton. we're pretty different. we're all unique in our own ways. somos muy diferentes. muy diferentes. (vo) verizon knows everyone in your family is different. there are so many of us doing so many different things. (vo) that's why verizon lets everyone mix and match different unlimited plans. sebastian's the gamer. sebastian. this is my office. (vo) and now with more plans, everyone gets what they need without paying for things they don't. new plans start at just $35. the plan is so reasonable, they could stay on for the rest of their lives. aww, did you get that on camera? thanks, dad! (vo) the network more people rely on gives you more.
we do, do that, we should take domestic white terrorism as seriously as isis or al qaeda. the body count would at least suggest that? evan and ben, thank you. >>> dozens of survivors of both shootings are still being treated at hospitals here in dayton and el paso, texas as well. i talked to one nurse who jumped in to help in the moments after shots rang out. what she told me about those harrowing moments when we come back live here in dayton. we're pretty different. we're all unique...
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for so long terrorism has been framed as something coming from the middle east, from isis, from al qaeda. but the fact of the matter is the number of domestic terrorist attacks where white supremacists are accused of fomenting the violence has been on the rise. and in 2018, every one of those domestic terrorist attacks was committed by someone who is connected to somebody's racial ideologies. so this problem is on the rise. and the kind of thing most people think about when they think of terrorism, which is islamic extremism is on the decline, at least if you look at the number of attacks. and people don't connect the dots here. right, every time there is an attack of some sort by an extremist muslim, the idea is these are all connected. but when an instant happens like happened in el paso or the attack on the max train in portland a couple years ago, or dylann roof's attack in charleston, they're seen as one offs, when in fact they are also a pattern, they are connected by the ideology of white supremacy. >> on this important aspect of the story we're cover, thank you very much. >>> we'
for so long terrorism has been framed as something coming from the middle east, from isis, from al qaeda. but the fact of the matter is the number of domestic terrorist attacks where white supremacists are accused of fomenting the violence has been on the rise. and in 2018, every one of those domestic terrorist attacks was committed by someone who is connected to somebody's racial ideologies. so this problem is on the rise. and the kind of thing most people think about when they think of...
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. >> in the reporting you write that in exchange for doing so, the taliban would agree to renounce al qaeda and to prevent it from activities such as fundraising, recruiting, training, under taliban control to. a lot of viewers that would sound like a fan taskical deal, we've had no particular relations with the taliban over the years and now we're going to cut a deal with them. what's the reality and likelihood of that happening and who'd back that up? >> i think it would also tristr a lot of people as remarkable that any of those things would be on the table. successive u.s. presidents refused to have any direct dealings with the taliban or would only do so in the most remote and circuitous ways for fear that it would cut the afghan government which is backed by the united states out of the discussions about its own future. the trump administration took a different approach. all those issues you listed have been on the table in pretty open discussions which both sides have acknowledged that have been taking place for months and led by a veteran u.s. diplomat who was at the meeting t
. >> in the reporting you write that in exchange for doing so, the taliban would agree to renounce al qaeda and to prevent it from activities such as fundraising, recruiting, training, under taliban control to. a lot of viewers that would sound like a fan taskical deal, we've had no particular relations with the taliban over the years and now we're going to cut a deal with them. what's the reality and likelihood of that happening and who'd back that up? >> i think it would also...
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qaeda and terrorist groups? i think that's a pretty easy one for the taliban. i don't think they want to do that. the other question ought to be how you are going to defend the rights of women? how are you going to defend the culture that developed in kabul? how are you going to defend basic democratic values in afghanistan once the americans go if the afghan army and security forces crumble? and the answer is you're not going to defend any of those things and trump doesn't care and probably he thinks the american people don't care either. >> where does nato stand on all of this? are u.s. allies concerned? >> well, they're concerned because they've been dragged into afghanistan all these years. they don't want to think they're going to leave with nothing to show for it. that's what's going to happen. >> christopher, we know that yesterday marked the death of the inf treaty between the u.s. and russia. gorbachev now 88 years old sayi chaos. so it seems like it felt chaotic for a while. what do you think? >> well,
qaeda and terrorist groups? i think that's a pretty easy one for the taliban. i don't think they want to do that. the other question ought to be how you are going to defend the rights of women? how are you going to defend the culture that developed in kabul? how are you going to defend basic democratic values in afghanistan once the americans go if the afghan army and security forces crumble? and the answer is you're not going to defend any of those things and trump doesn't care and probably he...
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i don't think you could fit all of the members of al qaeda into a stadium. it would have been preposterous if anybody had ever made that argument as a reason to discount the threat. another thing that christopher wray said is not only domestic terrorism up or domestic terrorist arrests up in 2019 as opposed to 2018, but the vast majority of them are right wing right nationalists domestic terrorist. it's not just democrats are out here saying that this is a threat. it is the head of the fbi saying that. and then there is other people in the fbi daying that they have been stymied in making some of these arrests or doing some of these investigations because there is a political problem with targeting people that the president of the united states is likely to regard as part of his base. >> well, here is michael savidge, who is a friend of the president and right-wing radio said. he was very disappointed in the president attacking white supremacy. it will cost him tens of thousands of votes. there is this real gas lighty thing. i was reminding myself in charlott
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it's not over isis or al qaeda, but over the rising threat of far-right violence in this country. is it time to reassess the government's response to domestic terrorism specifically? we'll dig into that in just a moment. but we start here. and as the nation mourns the senseless murders of 31 people shot in two massacres over the weekend. a lot of folks across the country are looking to washington to finally do something about the epidemic of gun violence in this country. today we're learning more about the victims and the investigations as well as washington tries to figure out what can be done to prevent the next tragedy. we're going to get more details now from nbc's gabe gutierrez
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qaeda. >> think about it logically. the kremlin has a pretty favorable view of donald trump, and if they are loyal to him, we take offense at this, this is our guy, why is he, in support of terrorism. it is music to their airs. the trope coming out of moscow, damascus, tehran, since 2011 since the syria crisis, the united states is fomenting a terrorist onslaught on elected legitimate president assad. she is playing directly into the propaganda tropes that have come out of enemies of the united states. for whatever reason, right? i mean we've been in this network and other networks grilling her about her support for bash ra al assad, her apologetics, her denialism which she couches as skepticism that assad committed these atross 'tis and famously went to das d.a. mass cuss with the underwriting of a lebanese fascist party 11 years ago. whatever the reason is, her motivation, her so-called anti-war sort of shtick, russia is looking to her and says we don't need her to wit, what she is doing is injecting this poise noon t
qaeda. >> think about it logically. the kremlin has a pretty favorable view of donald trump, and if they are loyal to him, we take offense at this, this is our guy, why is he, in support of terrorism. it is music to their airs. the trope coming out of moscow, damascus, tehran, since 2011 since the syria crisis, the united states is fomenting a terrorist onslaught on elected legitimate president assad. she is playing directly into the propaganda tropes that have come out of enemies of the...
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troops who are currently in afghanistan in exchange the taliban would renounce al qaeda, the terrorist group but there's some republican opposition to this plan and it's not clear if a decision has been made or will be made in the immediate future. >> talk through that republican opposition because there are many, including lindsey graham, a close ally of the president who are not behind this plan at all. >> he's not. that's right. senator graham issued a statement preemptive statement, if you will, before this meeting yesterday saying it would be foolish for the united states to trust the taliban would combat terrorism in afghanistan and be the biggest mistake since president obama's nuclear deal with iran. clearly a statement aimed at influencing president trump's thinking on this. but as we've been talking about the president is determined to try to withdraw some of these troops, if not all of them. he does not want troops in average and trying to come to some sort of agreement here. >> do we have any sense of a possible timeline. is he hoping to get all the troops out before electi
troops who are currently in afghanistan in exchange the taliban would renounce al qaeda, the terrorist group but there's some republican opposition to this plan and it's not clear if a decision has been made or will be made in the immediate future. >> talk through that republican opposition because there are many, including lindsey graham, a close ally of the president who are not behind this plan at all. >> he's not. that's right. senator graham issued a statement preemptive...
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the nickers of al qaeda that still exist there as well, hallie. >> admiral, i really appreciate your very important perspective on this. thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up next, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell defending long-standing tradition in an op-ed today. what it tells us, how worried he is about control of congress flipping. but first new york city's police commissioner is defending his decision to fire the police officer who put eric garner in that deadly chokehold. in his first interview since the controversial firing of officer pantaleo, commissioner james o'neil said it was a decision that had to be made. >> our job is to keep everybody in this city safe. my job is to keep all 8.6 new yorkers safe, cops safe. my message is there's accountability in the nypd. >> the head. police union blastd or neil claiming he chose politics over his officers and threatening a vote of no confidence. his officers and threatening a vote of no confidence appearance are purely coincidental. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ the first survivor of
the nickers of al qaeda that still exist there as well, hallie. >> admiral, i really appreciate your very important perspective on this. thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up next, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell defending long-standing tradition in an op-ed today. what it tells us, how worried he is about control of congress flipping. but first new york city's police commissioner is defending his decision to fire the police officer who put eric garner in that deadly...
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qaeda. so we're seeing the exact same thing, kind of the same recipe here play out, in the course of them coming up with this case. >> well, i will say innocent until proven guilty here in the united states. it's a criminal complaint. these are all allegations, of course, but it does appear at least from the data we have to be a pretty job well done by law enforcement. tom winter, thanks for that reporting. >> sure. >>> a national media that was obsessed with hillary clinton's emails being able to cover a race between donald trump and a candidate who occasionally misspeaks? putting today's joe biden gaffe into context, next. -and...that's your basic three-point turn. -[ scoffs ] if you say so. ♪ -i'm sorry? -what teach here isn't telling you is that snapshot rewards safe drivers with discounts on car insurance. -what? ♪ -or maybe he didn't know. ♪ [ chuckles ] i'm done with this class. -you're not even enrolled in this class. -i know. i'm supposed to be in ceramics. do you know -- -roo
qaeda. so we're seeing the exact same thing, kind of the same recipe here play out, in the course of them coming up with this case. >> well, i will say innocent until proven guilty here in the united states. it's a criminal complaint. these are all allegations, of course, but it does appear at least from the data we have to be a pretty job well done by law enforcement. tom winter, thanks for that reporting. >> sure. >>> a national media that was obsessed with hillary...
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when there's an attack tied to someone who from the terrorist group like isis or al qaeda, the president has no problem under ci citing the underlying ideology. with something like this happens, we hear thoughts and praye prayers, the great work of the first responders. he should say something about the underlying eye dealing. >> it is more than is the president going to mention this in the next 20 minutes. this administration recently defunded a program specifically geared to combat domestic terrorism. and the president has been quoted having said he does not see white nationalism as a growing threat. and he wants to ban all muslims coming into our country for fears of terror-related activity. how do you have the two? . >> there are a whole series of things the administration could do if i want wanted to signal it was serious -- but it is taking away. >> absolutely. it could start by restoring some of the practicingprogram attic funding. we have programs but they feel their work isn't supported by the white house. that would be a starting place. by no means that is a solution or silver
when there's an attack tied to someone who from the terrorist group like isis or al qaeda, the president has no problem under ci citing the underlying ideology. with something like this happens, we hear thoughts and praye prayers, the great work of the first responders. he should say something about the underlying eye dealing. >> it is more than is the president going to mention this in the next 20 minutes. this administration recently defunded a program specifically geared to combat...