it is tuesday, august 6th. the general feeling in department of homeland security is uh-oh, we've got a problem after two mass shootings in 24 hours. a dhs official says federal agencies are scrambling to fight domestic terror. after the weekend's mass shootings, the two congressional chair men that oversaw the investigation into the 9/11 attacks called for restructuring of u.s. national security that prioritizes domestic terrorism, similar to restructuring for 9/11. in the past two years, under the trump administration homeland security has made cuts to personnel and resources that were once dedicated to fighting domestic terrorism. according to testimony from one former department official, dhs managed $10 million in grant funding, 16 full-time employees, 36 contractors, $21 million in a total budget devoted to domestic terrorism.

now that former official says resources have dwindled to no contractors, no other means of supporting existing programs beyond the team, listen to this, of 8 dedicated full-time employees and operating budget of $2.6 million. that's what the department of homeland security is dealing with when it comes to domestic terrorism. there seems to be a similar story in the fbi. back in april, a domestic terrorism hate crimes fusion cell was launched at the bureau to streamline information and ramp up investigative resources. but in may, the fbi counterterrorism chief testified to congress that 80% of the fbi field agents and analysts were devoted to international terrorism. 20% worked on domestic terrorism. now the fbi has a new case of domestic terrorism on its hands. last hour, the agency announced it is opening a full domestic terrorism investigation into the gilroy, california shooting that happened just a week before this

past weekend's terror. joining me, correspondent julia aims lee who shared a by line on the lack of federal resources. this is a remarkably serious problem that not many americans have had a chance to dig into and understand that while the federal government understands the threat of domestic terrorism and white nationalism, they have not resourced it, they have not allocated necessary resources to deal with it. >> that's right, it is an issue of resources and an issue of the law. under u.s. law we're able to act much more quickly if we suspect someone as being affiliated with a foreign terrorist organization like isis or al qaeda because we have the organizations on a designated list. we have no such list for white supremacy groups. if an investigator suspects someone might be involved with a group on the domestic side, there's very little they can do until they're taking action or ready to take action in a violent way. so it is a very thin window. on the other side, you have

prevention, resources that could be in dhs that are dwindling. we know in the past year they cut the intelligence analysts that look at dress terromestic d warn them about trends they see online, things that led to the el paso shooting. they cut that funding to a new office, you laid out, down to $2.6 million from what was a smaller office with a more narrow mission over $20 million. and then there are grants to local law enforcement and local organizations that were meant for prevention. this is things like training public health services how to spot extremism, on the domestic and foreign side. those grants were not renewed as of july 31st this year, larksso seeing on both sides preventers having their hands tied as the problem becomes worse.

>> what is your understanding of the level of political commitment to fixing the problem in this administration? >> it is hard to say. you can see what the president said yesterday, you can see him saying i'm calling on everyone to get involved, but at the same time the president was saying i want answers, i want our agencies to come together and address the problem. there's no funding to back it up. we went to homeland security officials that said i heard the same thing you're hearing, but we're not seeing dollars that will come from that, and that's what they need to start new initiatives, in order to do this kind of research that needs to be done. until we see the dollars and cents and hiring instead of the laying off and restructuring, it is hard to see the winds have changed on this issue. >> julia, thank you for great reporting on this. this is an important issue we're going to make sure americans understand well. i want to bring in nate snyder, former obama apointed administration counterterrorism official, key contributor to the

white house's first strategic implementation plan this has been an issue those that are prepared to look at understood is serious for some time and a growing threat. what's the reluctance to transfer resources into dealing with this? >> a lot of this is frankly political. a lot of the figures julia mentioned are part of my former office, now called office of targeted violence and terrorism prevention. i think one of the things that's missing is we were getting a demand signal from state and local law enforcement, first responders under everything we did, every outreach we did, any kind of information we shared. they always said hey, it is great we know about al qaeda, we know about isis, but we're seeing violent white supremacists, sovereign citizens, neo-nazis in our

backyard, and that's what we have to deal with. a lot of it has to do with prioritization by the administration, and the systemic neglect that have taken over and unfortunately have really hindered some great people in the department still working to try to keep the lights on. >> former fbi special agent has written an opinion piece in which he said i spent 25 years fighting jihadis, white supremacists aren't so different. we can't fight them sufficiently until the law treats them the way we treat foreign ones. julia just made reference to that. what is that part of the equation and how do we fix it? >> it goes with parody and how we prosecute. on international terrorist side, there are statutes and things like known terrorism organizations. that doesn't exist on the domestic side. also certain things you can do literally yesterday, so national counterterrorism center does great work, has great analysts, partner closely with department of homeland security, the fbi, department of justice on

countering violent extremism. however, they had one hand tied behind their back, they couldn't deal with domestic terrorism because it is not in their jurisdiction. that can be changed today. that jurisdiction can be expanded, aid with more resources and analysts and smart people already doing a great job. >> i want to ask you something clint watts and i talked about, clint worries shutting sites down, pushing folks into weirder places where they share their views may not be in the best interest of law enforcement. >> i fully agree. i may be of the unpopular position that shutting down that isn't the best manufacture. seen it happen with sites like the daily stormer. they went to the dark web. things went into encrypted conversation. and there was an extremely odd incident where daily stormer tried to get a new provider, ended up being a russian

provider randomly or maybe not, but i think one of the things is yes, it provides a very valuable window to analysts, to researchers, to see what is happening online, to see narratives being used, the activity and emerging threats and trends. one thing i'll add to this, what is happening with domestic terrorist groups, they're taking pages out of the play book that were established and written by and war awlaki and he established a corporate structure that focused on creating a technical ecosystem that was hell bent on stirring up radicalism, on recruiting, and pushing people to mobilize to violence. these domestic terrorist groups are using the same thing. it is no different. in some cases, seeing a double standard how it is treated. if you saw isis and al qaeda

using that, nobody would tolerate this. >> he makes the same point in his article. nate snyder, former counterterrorism official. looking into the issue of domestic terror, websites that incubate those extremists. the gunman in el paso posted on the internet message board h hand minutes before killing 22 people. now the founder says he wishes he could uncreate the forum that's popular with white supremacists. keir simmons sat down with who started the message board in 2013, but no longer has control. joining me, senior international correspondent keir simmons. keir? >> hey there. a team in the philippines sat down with this former founder and it is interesting from the conversation you were having about the way some of the stuff echos isis, for example,

fascinating that this is an extremist website that's being run from the philippines causing up ending society in america. what you've seen on this site are three mass shootings announced in advance, including the new zealand massacre, that synagogue in california. we spoke to frederick brennan, he has brittle bone disease, in a wheelchair. he started this site as a freedom of expression site. listen to how he describes the way the current people run ning it seem to enjoy the violence and extremism that's there now. >> even after the shooting, hours and hours later they kept their tag line on the front page, embrace infamy, like they're happy about being

infamous. it is like saying if you want to be infamous, shoot something up. as long as you say 8 chan when you're doing it so we stay more infamous. >> a bizarre statement in the past few hours, he talks about the fact that he is working with the fbi, he claims it is unfair that the site is being shut down because its internet providers are withdrawing support. he is a man interestingly, a united states army veteran, runs the site with his son, according to brennan, is losing money running the site. he says he thinks they find it fun. >> fun. incredible, keir. thank you for your reporting. senior international correspondent, keir simmons. watch for more of that interview with the founder of 8chan on nightly news with lester hold. the country remains in

mourning for those lost in the weekend attacks, learning more about heroes, survivors and victims from the shooting in el paso. joining me, gad ee schwartz. the president is visiting tomorrow el paso and dayton. what's the response from people you talk to about the president's trip? >> reporter: behind me, i don't know if you can see it, there's a big crowd of people, impromptu memorial on the back side of walmart, a sign in spanish that accuses president trump of racism and asks him to tone down what they say is racist rhetoric. that's what we've heard from a lot of people gathered here to pay respects to the victim. a lot of people we have spoken to saying they don't want the president to come. best thing he can do for el paso is not come, not inflame the situation. they say their town was a peaceful town, known for in

clu -- for being inclusive. they would rather not see the president, many don't trust his motivations for coming here. one person brought up the outstanding bill that trump's campaign has in el paso to the tune of $500,000 that he owes, that the campaign owes to the city of el paso for a campaign rally they had in february. so a lot of people are not receptive to the president's visit tomorrow. there are some that say the president is still the president. we need to put politics aside. they're saying the commander in chief should be respected in a time like this. again, they're hoping tomorrow is peaceful. that's something we're going to hear in a town like this that's 80% hispanic. there's a large contingent of military service members that live here in el paso, fort bliss is just up the road. we're hearing a diversity of opinions, but for the most part, many people we have spoken to say it is too soon for the president to come and don't want

to see him here in el paso. >> thank you for that reporting. earlier, our reporter spoke to the trauma director from dell saw medical, treating patients on the day of the shooting. joining me, blayne alexander. what did you learn? >> reporter: well, ali, that's exactly it, the perspective of somebody that's been inside this hospital almost day in and out since saturday, seeing the firsthand toll that it can take emotional on the doctors and medical workers. that's a perspective we don't often get to see. i sat down with dr. steven flaherty that runs the trauma center here, and he talked about the fact that this is something that will continue to take ee emotional toll on people here for days, weeks, maybe years to come. here's a little from the conversation earlier today. >> this is one of the rooms you took care of the patients. what's it like to be back in this room?

>> your stomach hurts. >> it will always be different. we've taken care of a lot of sick patients in here. this is our primary go to spot for the sickest, most hurt patients that we get. but it is now always going to be the place we took care of a mass casualty incident, mass shooting. >> for doctors, what would you say to different hospitals, what would you say to doctors? >> my message now is be prepared tomorrow. if you don't know that you're ready to go right now, you need to start getting prepared. >> reporter: you heard him say it right there, essentially get ready. he told me that for other hospitals around the country it is not a matter of when or if but more so when. he is urging so many hospitals to get ready for this trauma. this is somebody that dealt with more than nearly a dozen patients day-in and day-out since saturday, has gotten to

know their families, their stories. unfortunately saw two of them pass away yesterday. so ali, these are many of the stories we're hearing. we heard from another patient that's being treated here. he was shot in the foot. he is leaving the newsroom and going back into surgery this afternoon, he has a number more surgeries coming in the weeks to come. these are just many of the stories of people that yes, they walked away and survived the massacre saturday, but for so many people, their lives forever changed. >> blayne alexander, thank you. radio host says what it is like when white supremacists came for him. and they're set to have a news conference in ohio after that mass shooting. you're watching msnbc. ooting u'yore watching msnbc. this is your wake-up call. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage.

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in light of recent shootings, critics of white nationalism find themselves in vulnerable, dangerous positions online. for the case of this man, he experienced it firsthand when he wrote an article for "the "daily beast"" calling on the president to use white supremacists terrorism. his piece drew the ire of the creator of the neo-nazi ee website, deadly stormer.

they flooded him with death threats and embedded fake twitter posts to trick readers into believing dean took responsibility for the 2017 bombing at an ariana grand concert in england. that prompted a judge to order the site to pay 4.1 million judgment to dean for defamation. while they face additional battles, threat of hate speech circulating online has consequences. dino joins us more to tell us about his experience. it is hard to differentiate with you. you found yourself in these types of things where people come after you for advising your opinion. in this particular case, this was a criticism directed at president trump, and you got it from another place. you got the response from another place. >> i wrote an article in may, 2017, months before charlottesville. at that time we had three self

profess professed white supremacists that had -- i said let's use your logic, use the term white supremacists terrorism. i didn't mention the daily stormer. they came after me. andrew england wrote kwanlt fied over 100 articles praising trump, came after me for going after their beloved donald trump. donald trump said white supremacists and intertwined it with mental illness. >> video games. >> this is not mentally ill people, they're cold, they're calculated, they know exactly what they're doing. they have no problem with you getting killed. they fabricated tweets about me and knew i was muslim. they used the ultimate smear against a muslim american saying you're involved in terrorism. the tweets they used about me, ali, they put arabic words,

islamic references. >> completely fake. >> completely fake but looked real. put it in articles, said to supporters go confront dean. >> and the danger like the guy that shot up that pizzeria outside washington, people reading that are not likely to say this doesn't smell right, going to check his twitter feed, they're going to read it, they take it in. the danger is if someone, particularly somebody armed, acts on it. >> and let's be blunt. the daily storm readers aren't armchair white supremacists. dylann roof was a supporter. another came to baltimore and killed a random african-american man and was arrested. they have a history of radicalizing, inspiring violence. it was a great concern for me, and for my loved ones, co-workers, worried they would go to "daily beast," sirius xm or with loved ones walking on

the street. i filed a lawsuit. we're going to try to get money, any penny i get will go to organizations that fight the bigotry. it is about standing up and saying to them you're not going to marginalize us. silence up. we're going to sue you, take your money, give it to organizations that fight bigotry and racism. the same groups you hate. >> what does success look like, is it taking their money, giving it to groups that fight hate? ultimately they in the same way isis and al qaeda do, they energize individuals. we called them lone wolves. that's not accurate. they're energized by websites that grab them and incite them to come up with violent acts. what does victory look like? >> my hope is we collect a few,000. daily storm is collecting money. we had testimony that they're collecting money as a bitcoin

account. send a message to support neo-na neo-nazis, it goes to muslim guy you don't like and so we can strangle his revenue source. i would like that very much. combatting white nationalism, white supremacy, much harder. need leadership from the white house, not someone whose words make them cheer. just when this back chant happened, they documented white supremacists were cheering president trump for using that language. it didn't end in the campaign, it continued. there's a reason david duke said you're a traitor to your heritage if you do not support donald trump. doesn't matter what people think of him, white supremacists love him. that should trouble anyone in this country. doesn't matter where you are politically. >> what do you think of shutting down of hch down of 8chan. if you marginalize them, you can't sue them and go after them.

>> they have been visible and attacks have happened. for the daily stormer when they wrote that stuff about me, look at the comments, it was bringing together some of the worst people that found a place to share vile anti-semitic comments. they have time to get together, brainstorm, radicalize each other. make it hard as possible. you have to defer to law enforcement. as a person what i saw, i would like them shut down completely. >> thank you for joining me. sorry for what you have to go through. those of us that know you, this is what you do. you are trying to get the word out that we can all live together in peace. he is a comedian and host on sirius xm. i want to bring in a former u.s. attorney for eastern district of michigan, professor at university of michigan law school. in her career, not something you know about, you see her on tv a lot, she has prosecuted domestic

terror cases. barbara, talk to me about this. i think the country is learning together about the inability that we have not just to pursue things, not just to name them, sometimes to actually prosecute them. >> it's a real challenge to prosecute cases of domestic terrorism because of lack of a statute. unlike international terrorism, there isn't a crime, it isn't an offense you can just charge. so what you have to do is look at the facts, try to cobble together some other charge. we had a case that fell apart in 2010 or so against a militia group because we weren't able to identify a particular statute we could charge, even though they were engaged in a plot to kill police officers. we came up, best thing to come up with was sadicious conspiracy, the case ended up dismissed by the judge. there's lack of appropriate tools for prosecutors to use in these cases. >> how do you fix that. we heard this from people.

what does the fix look like, does it have to be the president that takes it seriously or could it come through congress? could somebody that thought it through, i imagine there are people, say this is how to do it? >> yeah. i think it needs to come from congress in the form of a statute, but it is tricky when it comes to international terrorism, we have good statutes, we're not concerned about civil liberties of groups like al qaeda and isis. for domestic groups, we can't say you can't associate with a particular group or give money to a particular group because the first amendment right of free assembly. we would have civil liberties concerns. it needs to be narrowly tailored. there are a couple of proposals that would be workable. one, make crime for conduct, engaging of acts of violence intended to intimidate civilian populations, not looking at who is doing it, but what they're doing. the other is providing material support. this is a statute that prosecutors use all the time in international terrorism cases

because it is designed to stop the plot before it gets to the violence, stop the enablers, those providing material support. what's challenging about it is in the international context it is based on giving anything of value to a particular group, hamas, hezbollah, isis, al qaeda. can't do the same thing when it comes to domestic groups because of civil liberties, but you could focus it on the conduct. if you were to say provide material support that is intended to be use in that crime of domestic terrorism, for example, that might be one way of getting as they call it left of boom. >> barbara, i appreciate you telling us about this. we're all a lot smarter about it now, learning about this unfortunately in the wake of two, these three mass shootings in the last week. thank you for that. barbara mcquaid, u.s. attorney

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legislation to reduce gun violence. some proposals include a red flag law which allows state to remove the firearm of an individual if he or she is ruled a threat to themselves or others. background checks for all gun sales, increased access to mental health services across the state. joining me with the latest, kathy park in dayton. kathy, we're minutes away from the news conference with the dayton police. what questions are people looking to have answered? >> reporter: ali, good afternoon. that's right. there are a lot of questions. i think right out the gate i think the question everyone wants to know is why, what motivated this gunman, connor betts, 24-year-old suspect, to come here, create so much devastation. nine people dead. the other question has to do with the sister. she's among the victims, among the nine victims and police

officials are saying she arrived in the car with him and there was also another individual, a male companion, apparently he was injured and hospitalized, cooperating with police. the other question people want to know, the gunman's past. nbc news was able to have this conversation with an ex-girlfriend, she admitted there were red flags on the first date, they went to a gun range, he had a fascination with mass shootings. a lot of questions there. foigtsz say they were weren't going to have a press conference unless they had information to provide. zbll keeping an eye on the setting, doesn't look like anybody arrived. the president plans to come to dayton this week. the mayor had some things to

say. >> that's right. we heard from her just a couple hours ago. based on her tone, she seemed lukewarm about the presidential visit. she said she welcomes him, but like a lot of people were disappointed by remarks yesterday. folks on the ground here when i spoke with them, they're a little upset that he got their city wrong. this is not toledo, this is dayton. but the majority of sentiment seems to be not so enthusiastic about the presidential visit because they believe it will be tense. we also saw protests earlier today, there was protest yesterday. already we're kind of sensing tension. let's play that sound from the mayor from earlier today. >> i have no sense of what's in president trump's mind at all, right?

i can only hope that as president of the united states that he's coming here because he wants to add value to our community and he recognizes that that's what our community needs. look, i mean, if i'm telling you, i'm going to tell him. he probably will hear it from you all better than me. >> what are you going to tell him? >> how unhelpful he has been on this. yesterday his comments weren't helpful to the issue around guns. >> reporter: so that was the mayor there commenting on the upcoming visit. meantime, on the oregon district a lot of restaurants, businesses are back open for business. these are some of the small steps that the community is taking to be dayton strong. >> thank you, kathy park in dayton. we'll be covering that press conference when it begins with the fbi and the dayton police. coming up, growing number of women endured sexual harassment from ride share drivers, their

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leaned in close. >> as we're getting closer to my apartment, he asked if my boyfriend was home. i just remember realizing that the door was locked and he said please unlock the door, and he didn't. then he continued to drive past my apartment. so i just pried the lock up and jumped out of the car. >> while it was moving? >> yes, and ran to my apartment. >> on the other side of the country, another woman had similar harassment from not just one driver. >> he leans back, covers the handle with his hand, and wants to get my number. i got really freaked out, i didn't know what to do. talking about the things he wanted to do with me if i were single. it was freaky. first, i didn't know where i was. >> then a third, all in the summer of 2018. >> him telling me how to show me the ropes, teach me about sex because he was way older than me. >> lyft won't say how many incidents like this are reported. but they're reported every hour.

lyft declined repeated requests for interview, writing safety is fundamental to lyft. since day one we have designed policies that protect drivers and riders. they announce continued checks, optional sexual harassment training for drivers. the harassment these women describe won't show up in any criminal background check. gill crest says they said by email they looked into the matter, she would never be paired with that triedriver aga gave her $5. >> it was like oh no, i am done with lyft, i don't want a coupon. >> they say they train call center agents to handle this. two former analysts said they had two weeks of training, felt unprepared for calls on sexual harassment. >> i can tell she's reading from a script of what she needs to read from. >> she said she kept thinking that driver knows where i live. >> i was terrified this guy was

going to be waiting for me there. any other situation, that person would have been fired on the spot. yet here they would not confirm that they were going to fire him. >> after she pressed the company, they confirmed they deactivated the driver, something they only do in extreme cases. >> i reach out again. >> and tilkin was invited to headquarters as a tour for computer science majors given by company recruiters. she told them her story. i started crying, even though i practiced not crying. then i was like what are you planning to do to fix this. the recruiter, first thing he said is our first priority is safety. >> she said discussions with the company hit a dead end. so she wrote an op-ed for stanford student paper, then received an email from the then coo, john mcneal. >> would you, we will bring you in, come in, give us more

feedback. >> she showed the presentation to lyft with encouraging feedback. says executives no longer respond to her suggestions. >> response hasn't changed, emails don't change, tweets don't change. >> both agree on one possible solution. >> would you be satisfied if you could just request rides from women? >> yes. >> they say they're both haunted by the idea that their harassers might still be driving for another service today. >> the feeling i get is they care more about their image than putting safety first. >> joining me, jake ward. they care about the image, i would think giving you an interview would be a good start. >> we were surprised. gave them many opportunities to speak. they refused to put anything on the record. >> this is interesting, the last question where women said they would be comfortable with a service just for women. i don't know if that means women drivers or just the idea that it caters to this. what's the practicality around that? >> we asked lyft and uber about

that. there are a couple of companies in the united states, locally based, civic basis that do offer female only service, female drivers, female passengers. national service in australia that also offers that. lyft and uber say they don't have immediate plans for that, say it is logistically, economically unfeasible, that somehow either the legal threat of discrimination lawsuits perhaps, couldn't get to the bottom of it. maybe it is that pairing them would take too much time. such a tiny fraction of drivers are women. women we spoke to said that would solve the problem. >> sounds like a market opportunity. >> jake ward, our technology correspondent. thank you. 2020 presidential hopefuls call president trump's response to the mass shootings not enough. we dig into one proposal. and one of the candidates is in south carolina. will the early voting state give cory booker's campaign the momentum it desperately needs? you're watching msnbc. ately nee? you're watching msnbc.

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