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cohen, if you listen to the defense's opening argument, you would have thought michael cohen was the person on trial. why is he so central to the case? >> he is the central figure to this case. none of this would have happened if michael cohen robert mueller hadn't spoken years ago. it's the reason it's coming to fruition because michael cohen at one point has said in the past he would take a bullet for donald trump. he described himself as donald trump's pit bull that pit bull has flipped on donald trump. if michael cohen had never said anything to prosecutors years ago, none of this would have ever happened. this was donald trump's fixer, byron. this was the guy that when the situations like this would happen, michael cohen would make them go away. it's all because of him that donald trump's in court. >> in laymen's convicted liar. this guy has lied a lot but you can believe him here. >> they owned it in opening statements. we know michael cohen has gone to jail. we know he did this. he know he has lived for donald trump. but here is the thing. it still happened. he still did it. a
cohen, if you listen to the defense's opening argument, you would have thought michael cohen was the person on trial. why is he so central to the case? >> he is the central figure to this case. none of this would have happened if michael cohen robert mueller hadn't spoken years ago. it's the reason it's coming to fruition because michael cohen at one point has said in the past he would take a bullet for donald trump. he described himself as donald trump's pit bull that pit bull has...
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and he told the jury, michael cohen, a key prosecution witness, has "an obsession with getting trump, he cannot be trusted." but prosecutors insist the alleged criminal conspiracy to protect trump involved others, including their first witness, david pecker, the former "national enquirer" publisher who once called trump a personal friend. as pecker took the stand, trump leaned forward, arms crossed, an angry look on his face. pecker has acknowledged buying negative stories about the candidate only to bury them, a practice known as catch-and-kill. on the stand, pecker was blunt. "we used checkbook journalism. we paid for stories." he's testifying under a subpoena, having cut a deal with prosecutors to avoid charges himself. he was only on the stand a few minutes today, but he'll be back tomorrow. leaving court, trump, who denies the affair with daniels, tried to downplay the case against him. >> it's a case as to bookkeeping, which is a very minor thing in terms of the law. >> reporter: so, david pecker is back tomorrow, david, but before that, there will be arguments whether trump vio
and he told the jury, michael cohen, a key prosecution witness, has "an obsession with getting trump, he cannot be trusted." but prosecutors insist the alleged criminal conspiracy to protect trump involved others, including their first witness, david pecker, the former "national enquirer" publisher who once called trump a personal friend. as pecker took the stand, trump leaned forward, arms crossed, an angry look on his face. pecker has acknowledged buying negative stories...
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most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting on donald trump's path? you can't assume you're right. maybe michael cohen when was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael congress has cohen's going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days. one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong on the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and actually paid attention to a lot of the mundane details of this transaction. uh, he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up, that according to cohen and we're cohen will probably testifies that donald trump is breathing do
most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting on donald trump's path? you can't assume you're right. maybe michael cohen when was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael congress has cohen's going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you...
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michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are already in unprecedented territory here. but that's not the most important point. the federal case, michael cohen coming clean, saying what happened. that left in its wake not just like a slimy trail of yuck don't let the kids read the news anymore. it left in its wake one legitimately baffling question. which was, wait now, who is getting in trouble for this now? who is the one person getting in trouble for this crime? just michael cohen? really? he is going to federal prison for years and he is the only one? why is he the only one? you kn
michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are...
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most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and acally paid attention to a this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up,hat accordg to cohen and we're cen will probably testifies that dold trump isreathing down his neck very closely following the ren mcdougal he talked aut how he would sit with ump in trumtower on t
most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker...
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michael cohen. from michael cohen, maybe it's not as salacious, but this is actually what the trial and the crime itself. >> it is michael cohen was contacting this bank because he they'd been having this discussion about ami and david pecker is the firewood owned the national enquirer? >> yes. they've been having the discussion on them making the payment to stormy daniels and essentially david pecker or didn't want anything to do it. he did not want to be in cahoots with a porn star making this payment to her. and it came to this point where michael cohen was trying to reach trump. he was under pressure to do this and finally said, i'm just going to do it myself and drew down a home equity line that's why this exchange happening right now pharaoh received another email two days later, please return michael cohen's call when you are available today regarding an important merit, a matter pharaoh calls cohen who told him he wanted to open a new llc account. >> cohen said the account was for capital re
michael cohen. from michael cohen, maybe it's not as salacious, but this is actually what the trial and the crime itself. >> it is michael cohen was contacting this bank because he they'd been having this discussion about ami and david pecker is the firewood owned the national enquirer? >> yes. they've been having the discussion on them making the payment to stormy daniels and essentially david pecker or didn't want anything to do it. he did not want to be in cahoots with a porn...
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cohen's contact with trump, trump increasing. >> i mean, not michael cohen. >> michael cohen's contact with david pecker and david pecker is contact with donald trump increasing once trump again running for president trump was cautious and frugal with money. pecker said so much so that he personally reviewed invoices and signs checks. he was meticulous. he said trump and cohen and pecker had this in-person august 2015 meeting where they agreed that pecker would be the eyes and ears of trump's 2016 campaign. pecker would notify cohen if women selling negative stories about trump emerged with pecker woodpecker anticipated would happen. cohen would then try to find a way to kill the story of a lot of damaging testimony from this friend of but both politically and legally politically. again, if this breakthrough out there, the competition, the election is going to be decided by nikki haley voters, for example, or suburban swing voters, for example and just trump's relationship with a tabloid, buying these kind of stories. that's not going to sell very well with them. so that'll be part of
cohen's contact with trump, trump increasing. >> i mean, not michael cohen. >> michael cohen's contact with david pecker and david pecker is contact with donald trump increasing once trump again running for president trump was cautious and frugal with money. pecker said so much so that he personally reviewed invoices and signs checks. he was meticulous. he said trump and cohen and pecker had this in-person august 2015 meeting where they agreed that pecker would be the eyes and ears...
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that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i don't know what it matters. i don't get why michael cohen, why his credibility would matter since all of the facts of the money movement he is involved with our established before he opens his mouth. >> so, that is exactly what the state is going to argue in summation. you are going to hear the defense say if that is true, why did they call him? he has a ton of baggage. they are saying they really need him. he can provide evidence about he says donald trump knew that the scheme was to have these false business records. remember everythin
that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i...
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michael cohen this is the first witness is starting to testify. the david helped trump's case, plus russia's new it girl, stink television. now fawning over marjorie taylor greene even though she tried but failed to sink american aid to ukraine. here what they are saying tonight about quote-unquote moscow, marjorie, and melania trump now selling more jewelry. is it to help her husband pay his legal fees? >> let's go out front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. we begin with trump's trials spilling out of the courtroom on a day when the prosecution and defense laid out their cases for the first time to 12 jurors and the six alternates in the room. and it's on this momentous day, the former president trump and his former fixer, michael cohen, are now in a free for all know, it did actually start in the courtroom. >> it was during opening statements, trump was watching as his lawyers were tearing into the key wetness. >> they said, quote, his entire financial livelihood depends on president trump's destruction referring to cohen
michael cohen this is the first witness is starting to testify. the david helped trump's case, plus russia's new it girl, stink television. now fawning over marjorie taylor greene even though she tried but failed to sink american aid to ukraine. here what they are saying tonight about quote-unquote moscow, marjorie, and melania trump now selling more jewelry. is it to help her husband pay his legal fees? >> let's go out front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight....
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cohen over i did over the last several years, i would notify michael cohen and then he would be able to have then kill in another magazine or have them not published, or somebody would have to purchase them. steinglass asked purchased the negative stories about mr. trump, so they would not get published. me. you mean pecker response that they would not get published? yes and i'm jeff, what's the significance of that? i don't know. i'm sorry. i know i know. i'm not jeff, but like what's the okay. what's the crime? okay. so fine. there they're working hand-in-hand to have some influence on an election. here's, we've been here for an hour, right? here's what i would like to know. i still don't exactly know what the secondary crime is. we heard that there's this misdemeanor that only lives because the statute of past only lives if there's a felony. my friends says that it's state election law. the professor says it's tax law many other people say it's federal election law. it is. and that's why this case has to be very upset. and if it was barack obama sitting there with the same charges
cohen over i did over the last several years, i would notify michael cohen and then he would be able to have then kill in another magazine or have them not published, or somebody would have to purchase them. steinglass asked purchased the negative stories about mr. trump, so they would not get published. me. you mean pecker response that they would not get published? yes and i'm jeff, what's the significance of that? i don't know. i'm sorry. i know i know. i'm not jeff, but like what's the...
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cohen. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers back now with the panel including cnn's john berman has been going through the trial transcript, which just came out and as glean more details from it. so john, what stands out again, this is the transcript, so there's a lot to go through here, but but it does provide more details even some of the word choice that both the prosecutors and david pecker uses. this is where they talk about the august 2015 meeting between donald trump, michael cohen, hope hicks is in there for a period of time, and david pecker, the prosecutor, josh steinglass, asked, well, can you describe for the jury what happened to that meeting? please? pecker responds at that meeting, donald trump and michael, they asked me what i can do and what my magazines could do to help the campaign. so thinking about it as i previously, i said what i would do is that was run or publish positive stories about mr. trump, and i would publish negative stories about his opponents i said
cohen. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers back now with the panel including cnn's john berman has been going through the trial transcript, which just came out and as glean more details from it. so john, what stands out again, this is the transcript, so there's a lot to go through here, but but it does provide more details even some of the word choice that both the prosecutors and david pecker uses. this...
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so, michael cohen is going to bleed believable. he took a three-year jail sentence for this alleged scheme. trump is saying it's an alleged scheme. michael cohen was saying it happened so they could have tackled the beast because trump is going to come out and say immediately, michael, mike trump's lawyers. and when michael cohen gets on the stand& cross examination, you're a liar. you're a convicted liar. you've lied over and over again. the de needs to have michael cohen say what she will it's part of his testimony. i may have lied at other times, but i'm not lying here because i pled guilty to doing this. i didn't even go to trial. that's why is that? >> that's the one point i would make to that is i think they strategically in my view, avoided that and i think they were to read seasons that they did that excellent point you make and i get it, but i think they were in that room fighting. >> should we should we i think the first reason is you don't want to put over reliance upon his testimony. yes, he's the elephant in the room,
so, michael cohen is going to bleed believable. he took a three-year jail sentence for this alleged scheme. trump is saying it's an alleged scheme. michael cohen was saying it happened so they could have tackled the beast because trump is going to come out and say immediately, michael, mike trump's lawyers. and when michael cohen gets on the stand& cross examination, you're a liar. you're a convicted liar. you've lied over and over again. the de needs to have michael cohen say what she will...
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the jury heard the granular details about the shell company, michael cohen used to pay stormy daniels her hush money. remember, prosecutors have to prove that when trump paid cohen back, he falsified business
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yeah, michael cohen has baggage. they told him to keep them keep an open mind and to look at some of the documents and other evidence that would corroborate cohen's testimony. no trump's team also took some hits at stormy daniels. she is also expected to testify in this case they said that hur testimony i'll salacious. it doesn't matter because she has nothing to do with how these records were allegedly falsified in treated on the books of the trump organization and donald trump's personal in a ledger. so trying to knock down what will be some of the key witness testimony in this case as they tried to defend president trump and get the jury to return a verdict of not guilty. jake tara, we also learn more today about how donald trump's defense attorneys are going to try to distance trump from this alleged crime. tell us more about that so trump's attorneys are saying that the former president was not involved with how these records were allegedly falsified. >> remember this is both the invoices we will cohen submitted
yeah, michael cohen has baggage. they told him to keep them keep an open mind and to look at some of the documents and other evidence that would corroborate cohen's testimony. no trump's team also took some hits at stormy daniels. she is also expected to testify in this case they said that hur testimony i'll salacious. it doesn't matter because she has nothing to do with how these records were allegedly falsified in treated on the books of the trump organization and donald trump's personal in a...
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he he didn't flip in the way that michael cohen has flipped. he's giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasn't said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but it's not incriminating the way that michael cohen's. >> i just wonder if if donald trump would tell it attorney to temper the cross-examination because of who they're dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get out. what i think they may do is not cross-examine him in a hostile way and say, you were just a businessman you were doing what you thought was good for the enquirer and maybe helping your friend, you didn't think you were committing a crime, did you? and i think that is often more effective than beating someone up and saying you're a liar, you're in that i think is probably the most, most effective way to deal with them. and the thing about pecker though, is this whole deal has been a nightmare for him. >> i mean he was a lot more successful businessman in 2016 tha
he he didn't flip in the way that michael cohen has flipped. he's giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasn't said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but it's not incriminating the way that michael cohen's. >> i just wonder if if donald trump would tell it attorney to temper the cross-examination because of who they're dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get out....
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trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her story and her silence but, here's the asterisk, which is great, trump was supposed to repay p ecker, he wasn't just doing this as charity. he was the pass-through, if you will. but trump did what he always does, he stiffed him on the bill $150,000, which is why michael cohen was the one forced to pay stormy daniels out of his own pocket. that, of course, is why trump was ultimately in court today. msnbc legal correspondent wasn't watching from inside the courtroom, andrew rice also in the courtroom today, he is a writer near magazine where he just profil
trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her...
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that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be attacked and he will be on cross-examination as a convicted felon who really has a passing acquaintance with the truth, other witnesses and other documents will show the jury they can trust the overall story. >> chuck rosenberg, andrew weissmann, vaughn hillyard, thanks so much. we'll be checking back with you later in the program. >>> and as donald trump is in that new york city courtroom with david pecker, of course, on the stand, a central figure in the hush money case, president biden is traveling to florida this hour to
that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be...
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with it's gonna be all the times that it was he and michael cohen again, putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely be crossed it's examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen mcdougal deals. but the one that actually paved the way for them in this deal, they had before the election. the first story that the national enquirer allegedly intercepted for trump are in regards to the election. here's randy k about a year before the 2016 election, former trump tower doorman, dino sajudin suddenly got $30,000 richer. the national enquirer, but exclusive rights to a fake story. he was peddling about a so-called loved child fathered out of wedlock by donald trump with his housekeeper. >> there was a pattern that first 30,000 was paid to a trump tower doorman to squash a rumor that trump had fathere
with it's gonna be all the times that it was he and michael cohen again, putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely be crossed it's examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen mcdougal deals....
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david pecker testified just a moment ago when he called michael cohen about this fec letter, that michael cohen said in response, quote, jeff sessions is the attorney general and trump has him in his pocket. in that david pecker is saying, let him to question whether michael cohen was somebody who would exaggerate statements, because he knew that donald trump didn't have jeff sessions in his pocket. all of this is an effort here apparently by the defense team for donald trump in front of the jury here to question michael cohen's credibility and the statements who is the key witness before they get to the point that michael cohen's credibility is something they should question. >> are prosecutors trying to establish the payments had a campaign connection? isn't that essential to the -- >> if they can't, there you go. that's going to be the end of the case. i'm not in the courtroom, but i'm reading the -- what we call the google doc. the defense attorney is doing an excellent cross-examination. his job as to this cross is to create reasonable doubt. he is trying to do that. he is simultaneo
david pecker testified just a moment ago when he called michael cohen about this fec letter, that michael cohen said in response, quote, jeff sessions is the attorney general and trump has him in his pocket. in that david pecker is saying, let him to question whether michael cohen was somebody who would exaggerate statements, because he knew that donald trump didn't have jeff sessions in his pocket. all of this is an effort here apparently by the defense team for donald trump in front of the...
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cohen, to protect trump during the 2016 campaign. david pecker grinning widely as he pointed out trump in the courtroom, the former president smirking back. the two men had been friends for years. but pecker told the jury their relationship changed in 2015, after trump launched his run for president, pecker was summoned to trump tower that august, and in a 20-minute meeting, he said trump and cohen asked me, what can i do and what my magazines can do to help the campaign. pecker testified he pledged to run flattering stories about trump and hit jobs on his opponents, and he offered to be the campaign's eyes and ears to alert cohen if he caught wind of any potentially damaging stories. pecker said he told trump he'd try to kill those stories so they'd never see the light of day. as pecker described that trump tower meeting, jurors were rapt, taking constant notes. pecker laid out how he worked with trump and cohen to publish attacks on rival republican candidates. cohen would tell him who to go after, and the magazine would do it. pec
cohen, to protect trump during the 2016 campaign. david pecker grinning widely as he pointed out trump in the courtroom, the former president smirking back. the two men had been friends for years. but pecker told the jury their relationship changed in 2015, after trump launched his run for president, pecker was summoned to trump tower that august, and in a 20-minute meeting, he said trump and cohen asked me, what can i do and what my magazines can do to help the campaign. pecker testified he...
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michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the substance of this is what the inquirer did not practice -- did not publish as part of a practice known as catch and kill. culminating in a 2015 meeting -- >> reporter: tonight a person with the matter tells nbc news that candidate trump was in the room when the national enquirer publisher discussed ways that ami could help quash negative stories about mr. trump's relationships with women. >> that was from 2018 when the meeting was first reported. in that meeting in august he told trump through michael cohen that anything i hear in the mar
michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the...
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michael cohen is a public figure. stormy daniels is a public figure, but these jurors are not public figures and private information is already leaking out about these people. and i think the judge quite properly is going to be very concerned about making sure these people can stay to the end. and not just throw their hands up and say, i'm not i'm not going to be part of this. sorry, everyone. >> thanks. karen mentioned, judge them or sean, we want to bring in johnny jones, the form the third, the former chief judge for the us middle district of pennsylvania, joe jones. appreciate you being back with us. what was your biggest takeaway from opening statements? >> well, it's interesting i think the opening statements we're not unexpected there's a lot that the prosecution didn't say and i'm curious about that i think they're kind of playing hide the ball, not inappropriately with some witnesses. i agree with your panelists and hope hicks this is going to be a very interesting and, maybe a pivotal witness to tie the form
michael cohen is a public figure. stormy daniels is a public figure, but these jurors are not public figures and private information is already leaking out about these people. and i think the judge quite properly is going to be very concerned about making sure these people can stay to the end. and not just throw their hands up and say, i'm not i'm not going to be part of this. sorry, everyone. >> thanks. karen mentioned, judge them or sean, we want to bring in johnny jones, the form the...
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pecker testifying, he met with michael cohen and trump and pledged to run flattering stories about trump and hit jobs on trump's opponents, including a false story claiming senator ted cruz's father was involved in the jfk assassination, which trump referenced on the campaign trail. >> what was he doing with lee harvey oswald shortly before the death, before the shooting? it's horrible. >> pecker also offered to be the campaign's eyes and ears to alert cohen if he caught wind of any potentially damaging stories, pecker saying he told trump he tried to kill those stories so they'd never see the light of day. when he learned a former playboy model, karen mcdougal, was trying to sell her story about an affair with trump, which trump denies. pecker's company bought the rights to the story for $150,000. but to protect trump, pecker says he never published the story. pecker's due back on the stand when the trial resumes tomorrow, a dramatic scene on a highway in oregon. >> a one year old boy is safe after being rescued by police. they say he'd been abducted by his father, who was accused of tw
pecker testifying, he met with michael cohen and trump and pledged to run flattering stories about trump and hit jobs on trump's opponents, including a false story claiming senator ted cruz's father was involved in the jfk assassination, which trump referenced on the campaign trail. >> what was he doing with lee harvey oswald shortly before the death, before the shooting? it's horrible. >> pecker also offered to be the campaign's eyes and ears to alert cohen if he caught wind of any...
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cohen say on the witness stand -- don't just take it as michael cohen's word but they will promise they will back it up with evidence, emails, texts, phone calls, record is donald himself that affirm all the things that michael cohen has to say. trump lawyer in his opening statement today said not only is michael colonna a liar who you cannot trust but he said he is quote obsessed with downslope and obsessed with seeing him in jail and seeing his family in jail. he painted michael cohen as someone who basically state his entire career and financial future on selling books and doing these podcasts, someone who wants to see trump sunken at all costs. and thus you can't trust him, it is all poisoned fruit, everything coming out of his mouth. >> what of the witnesses should be expected here about where you're from in the coming weeks? >> we heard from one of them today, david peden from the head of american media, the published death publisher of the national enquirer. his role in all this is he helped set up this pattern that david packer and michael cohen and allegedly donald trump were a
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cohen is in his testimony, he turned rat on then michael cohen and that's why michael cohen went to jail so it could have been just as easily them sweating pecker and he could have gone to jail. >> so so everything everything will come out i think everything he has nothing to hold back. >> he's probably relieved that he can actually honestly tell the truth so jeremy, you've been inside the courtroom, right? so you've seen trump as pecker started the start testimony. we've seen a bit up. you've seen trump watching pecker, pecker watching trump, each of them watching the other one watch. i mean, you're really getting the dynamics and the body language here. so what is your sense about how they feel about each other guys have known each other for decades, were friends? yeah. >> as much of a sense of the word is probably either one of them have friends. and now far from it the one there was really only one light moment in court on tuesday and that was when the prosecutor just steinglass, he asked david pecker two it basically identified donald trump, who is donald trump in the courtroom
cohen is in his testimony, he turned rat on then michael cohen and that's why michael cohen went to jail so it could have been just as easily them sweating pecker and he could have gone to jail. >> so so everything everything will come out i think everything he has nothing to hold back. >> he's probably relieved that he can actually honestly tell the truth so jeremy, you've been inside the courtroom, right? so you've seen trump as pecker started the start testimony. we've seen a bit...
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often michael cohen, aaron. >> all right, paula, thank you very much. and i want to go now to soucie a who worked closely with david pecker at the national enquirer's parent company. elizabeth williams is also win it does the sketch artist who was in the courtroom with donald trump today. and of course has been throughout this trial. now you all know her and our legal experts, karen friedman, agnifilo, and stacy schneider. so all right. so great to have all of you. let me just start straight off with you. so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear really outlined it under oath today, how it will play it out and the b
often michael cohen, aaron. >> all right, paula, thank you very much. and i want to go now to soucie a who worked closely with david pecker at the national enquirer's parent company. elizabeth williams is also win it does the sketch artist who was in the courtroom with donald trump today. and of course has been throughout this trial. now you all know her and our legal experts, karen friedman, agnifilo, and stacy schneider. so all right. so great to have all of you. let me just start...
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you can't do this just on the shoulders of michael cohen thighs, on the shoulders of michael cohen. right. you need everything else around him to lift him up. otherwise, there is no correct? right. you can't you can't have it on. i know he has long felt that they were going to do that and that he would be he would say it. but then they would prove it separately from my one to the side. he's he's critical, but everything around him and stew one thing that is david pecker is now walked off the stand men that had been friends. >> again, we put that in quotes, but friends such that they were friends over decades. they have not spoken since the beginning of 2019, according to pecker's testimony. so do you think they'll ever speak again? i mean, trump has said things about him this way. >> if you look at how once pecker told his tail that he was required to he also tried to make friends with trump again, so more like from the godfather, it's personal, not business and this is kind of that relationship anyways, so pretty yep description? >> yeah. all right. well, thank you all very much. >
you can't do this just on the shoulders of michael cohen thighs, on the shoulders of michael cohen. right. you need everything else around him to lift him up. otherwise, there is no correct? right. you can't you can't have it on. i know he has long felt that they were going to do that and that he would be he would say it. but then they would prove it separately from my one to the side. he's he's critical, but everything around him and stew one thing that is david pecker is now walked off the...
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you can't believe michael cohen. prosecution is saying they can back up what michael cohen is saying with other witnesses and records. but the defense wants to make this case as much as possible ability michael cohen's credibility. >> pecker was the first witness. fair to call him the star witness? >> absolutely. according to prosecutors, he's the one executing on all of this, right? he's the one deciding which stories get killed. he's part of the process, in talking about what's coming in. what do we have to worry about, etc? he becomes the executer for donald trump. so he becomes a critical witness and the heart of his testimony coming today. >> george: let's bring jon karl in. donald trump appeared to fall asleep for the fourth time yesterday. what did you make of his demeanor? >> he looks diminished and irritated to be there. you could see it in him. he comes out after the proceedings, talk to the cameras. his political advisers have said day after day he would use that moment to go on the offensive, hit his camp
you can't believe michael cohen. prosecution is saying they can back up what michael cohen is saying with other witnesses and records. but the defense wants to make this case as much as possible ability michael cohen's credibility. >> pecker was the first witness. fair to call him the star witness? >> absolutely. according to prosecutors, he's the one executing on all of this, right? he's the one deciding which stories get killed. he's part of the process, in talking about what's...
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cohen is and what a loose cannon michael cohen can be and i have had plenty of contact with michael cohen over the years. i think that i understand and empathize with all the reasons he is in a difficult, stressful position right now to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team. finally announced, i'm going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast and talking about their because he was just sort of spouting vulgarities all the time about trump he had started a fundraising campaign. these were all things that made prosecutors nervous about positioning him as a meaningful witness in this case. >> so as we obviously weight that testimony, there was a ruling today that i know you think could matter for trump, and this was the new york state top court overruling the harvey weinstein convictions. state of new york. i mean, it was a bombshell. just went hit this morning. people saying, wow. all right. now you want to pull it serve for your work you exposed so many of the
cohen is and what a loose cannon michael cohen can be and i have had plenty of contact with michael cohen over the years. i think that i understand and empathize with all the reasons he is in a difficult, stressful position right now to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team. finally announced, i'm going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast and talking about their...
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that affirm all of the things michael cohen has to say. todd blanche in his opening statement today said not only is he a liar who you cannot trust but he said he is obsessed with donald trump and seeing him in jail and his family in jail. he painted him as someone who has staked his entire career and financial future by selling books and doing these podcasts as someone who wants to see trump sunk at all costs and thus you cannot trust him and everything coming out of his mouth is poison. >> what other witnesses should we expect to hear from in the coming weeks. >> we heard from one of them today, the head of american media which was the publisher of the natural -- the national enquirer. he set up this pattern that david packer and michael cohen and allegedly donald trump were all part of this early scheme set up in 2015 before the campaign began to make the national enquirer the eyes and ears for donald trump and if anyone came forward with stories that could be damaging to the candidate, they would get those stories and squash them. we a
that affirm all of the things michael cohen has to say. todd blanche in his opening statement today said not only is he a liar who you cannot trust but he said he is obsessed with donald trump and seeing him in jail and his family in jail. he painted him as someone who has staked his entire career and financial future by selling books and doing these podcasts as someone who wants to see trump sunk at all costs and thus you cannot trust him and everything coming out of his mouth is poison....
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in the final weeks of the campaign, pecker said he told trump's fixer michael cohen daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, "i am not going to get involved with a porn star.
in the final weeks of the campaign, pecker said he told trump's fixer michael cohen daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, "i am not going to get involved with a porn star.
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it was michael cohen who got involved. >> right. so i mean, look, i guess the the argument to be made is that that this was unusual, right? it wasn't standard fare for him to be necessarily wasn't his. consistent with his business objectives to be engaged, to kill stories, to kill stories, get it for trump, right? and then fact killing this particular story, i love acquiring the story, wouldn't have made any, make much business sense for him. so they're trying to hill this narrative around him as sort of working exclusive pro trump and exclusively for the purposes of the election, one of the things he testified about, i believe on direct earlier today was he said that in a meeting with trump, there was no reference to trump's family, right? no reference to trump's family in that meeting, which he wasn't doing this. he wasn't wanting to suppress the stormy daniels they'll story where the karen mcdougal story on behalf of his wife, protecting his wife or his kids. it was just about his campaign that that is what the da's office is goi
it was michael cohen who got involved. >> right. so i mean, look, i guess the the argument to be made is that that this was unusual, right? it wasn't standard fare for him to be necessarily wasn't his. consistent with his business objectives to be engaged, to kill stories, to kill stories, get it for trump, right? and then fact killing this particular story, i love acquiring the story, wouldn't have made any, make much business sense for him. so they're trying to hill this narrative...
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the defense, not as bad as michael cohen, he is someone who is not adversarial but could help not just the prosecution, but -- >> and that is why trump felt optimistic. >> right. >> there was one thing david said that was significant and one stood out when we was sitting outside listening when we were watching the school across the screen, he testifies that at first trump's focus on negative stories which we pointed out, had been about his wife, his daughter, how he was be perceived in his family. but then he said after the campaign started it shifted and it was what the impact would be on the election. and black and white the motive right there. how significant is that one lying. >> i think it is very significant because people thought that this case was going to rest on the credibility of michael cohen and stormy daniels lab their own issues. really what david perker provided was this overall context that this was about the campaign. this was all about helping the campaign and he said over and over again during his testimony they knew that would be a campaign, a federal election viol
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cohen after michael cohen arranged payouts to stormy daniels, karen mcdougal, to bury their stories of infidelity with trump. those payments are substantiated. they happened. if you told me before the trial that trump and david pecker didn't really realize they were crossing a legal line and breaking campaign finance law, that would have honestly struck me as plausible. there is just one problem with that line of defense, david actual testimony. you see, on tuesday, a prosecutor asked him directly, "did you have any concerns about the legality of ami, paying to kill a story regarding a political candidate ?" david pecker answered, "yes i did." when asked why he had legal concerns, david pecker responded he had an issue when he acquired a story for arnold schwarzenegger. remember that back in 2013 ? arnold schwarzenegger was launching his political career and was concerned about negative press and so he made an arrangement with david pecker to catch and kill those stories. some of those stories got out. on the campaign trail, david pecker says when arnold schwarzenegger was asked abo
cohen after michael cohen arranged payouts to stormy daniels, karen mcdougal, to bury their stories of infidelity with trump. those payments are substantiated. they happened. if you told me before the trial that trump and david pecker didn't really realize they were crossing a legal line and breaking campaign finance law, that would have honestly struck me as plausible. there is just one problem with that line of defense, david actual testimony. you see, on tuesday, a prosecutor asked him...
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at trump's direction, prosecutors say his fixer, michael cohen, wired daniels $130,000. and then to hide the true nature of the payment, trump allegedly decided cohen's reimburse amounts should be recorded as legal services. pecker also allegedly promising to publish positive stories about mr. trump and publish negative stories about his opponent. pecker says prior to the election, his magazines never caught and killed any stories for trump. trump has denied any sexual relationship with daniels and has pleaded not guilty to falsifying business records. trump slamming the case outside of court. >> we have a gag order, which to me is totally unconstitutional. i'm not allowed to talk, but people are allowed to talk about me. >> and that gag order trump is talking about. prosecutors have accused him of violating it. the judge held a contempt hearing on tuesday morning that got heated, ultimately saying he would not rule from the bench. reena roy, abc news, new york. >> will scott peterson get access to new dna testing in his quest for a new trial? the abc seven news i-team c
at trump's direction, prosecutors say his fixer, michael cohen, wired daniels $130,000. and then to hide the true nature of the payment, trump allegedly decided cohen's reimburse amounts should be recorded as legal services. pecker also allegedly promising to publish positive stories about mr. trump and publish negative stories about his opponent. pecker says prior to the election, his magazines never caught and killed any stories for trump. trump has denied any sexual relationship with daniels...
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of course, it's not the easiest case to make when you consider that michael cohen worked for about a decade for donald trump as one of his closest, you know, advisers, his fixer, his lawyer, and, of course, look, trump yesterday complained that he should be campaigning instead of doing this, not compelled to be there, posting on truth social, right, claiming he's being victimized. how does this play to his base? >> well, you know, he's he's been playing he's been making the case to his base now for over a year that he is a victim, that they're out to get him, that all these prosecutions, this prosecution and the federal prosecutions and what we saw in the state of georgia that this is, you know, the deep state, his enemies that are out to destroy him because they really want to go after trump's supporters. so he's going to lean into that really strongly, that look, this is a tough thing to be a presidential candidate. and to four days a week have to be sitting hour after hour in a courtroom in new york instead of campaigning. but the truth is that trump has actually not been doing a
of course, it's not the easiest case to make when you consider that michael cohen worked for about a decade for donald trump as one of his closest, you know, advisers, his fixer, his lawyer, and, of course, look, trump yesterday complained that he should be campaigning instead of doing this, not compelled to be there, posting on truth social, right, claiming he's being victimized. how does this play to his base? >> well, you know, he's he's been playing he's been making the case to his...
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he talks about a lot of conversations between him and michael cohen. michael cohen is likely going to say, i talked to david pecker. here's what we said. and if the prosecutors get what they want, it will be consistent. >> george: they'll probably put hope hicks in there as well. >> exactly. they can back up everything of michael cohen before he comes in so the stage has been set. >> george: let's turn to the supreme court. looks like yesterday donald trump lost one battle but won a bigger war. >> look, his attorney gave up on this absolute immunity argument. right? which was always silly, this idea that no matter what you do as president, private or public conduct, you are immuned. his attorney conceding we're not talking about private conduct. why is he doing that? because this is going to make it much more likely that it's going to take a longer time as things move forward. if you view the goal of the trump team as delay, it was the smartest thing they could do. >> george: right. they've clearly gotten a delay. seems almost inconceivable this trial
he talks about a lot of conversations between him and michael cohen. michael cohen is likely going to say, i talked to david pecker. here's what we said. and if the prosecutors get what they want, it will be consistent. >> george: they'll probably put hope hicks in there as well. >> exactly. they can back up everything of michael cohen before he comes in so the stage has been set. >> george: let's turn to the supreme court. looks like yesterday donald trump lost one battle but...
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one, through the testimony of michael cohen. but i was looking yesterday to hear how else are they going to prove that? they say they have a photograph of the two gentlemen at that meeting. they also have invoices days afterwards. a couple days after that, the first payment to michael cohen. but i was hoping to hear that they have a lot more than that. somebody who was also at the meeting, who overheard the meeting, who placed some of these documents in front of donald trump, heard his comments about that. i didn't hear that yesterday. i'm hoping that we hear prosecutors have a lot more about the back end of the deal as much as they do about the front end of it. >> chuck, what stood out to you? >> i'd agree with lisa but add one thing. circumstances also matter. we often talk about there being direct evidence, maybe conversations or photographs or emails of a transaction, but circumstances matter, too, willie. if you walk out of your house and there's snow on the front lawn, what do you think happened last night? it snowed. you
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the jury heard the granular details about the shell company, michael cohen used to pay stormy daniels her hush money. remember, prosecutors have to prove that when trump paid cohen back, he falsified business records so voters would never know. >> aaron, thank you. >>> now to the campus protest officials the war in at columbia where students are facing a deadline, late word on the status of the talks. stephanie ramos at columbia tonight. >> reporter: -- to washington -- -- to texas tonight, campus protests against the war in gaza spreading, with no end in sight. >> free, free palestine! >> reporter: at ohio state overnight, police clashing with pro-palestinian protestors, 36 arrested. >> let us in, let us in. >> they're being labelled as anti-semitics which is really, really a false statement in so far as so many of the student organizers, myself included, are jewish. >> bring them home! >> outside columbia university, pro israel protesters calling for the release of hostages. >> the release of hostages must come first and foremost to end the suffering on both sides. >> today, jewish
the jury heard the granular details about the shell company, michael cohen used to pay stormy daniels her hush money. remember, prosecutors have to prove that when trump paid cohen back, he falsified business records so voters would never know. >> aaron, thank you. >>> now to the campus protest officials the war in at columbia where students are facing a deadline, late word on the status of the talks. stephanie ramos at columbia tonight. >> reporter: -- to washington -- --...