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will be that of karen mcdougal. >> well, that's impressive. i'm so glad you said paulo, because you're tightening his grip because the prosecutor just ask david, quote, do you know somebody named karen mcdougal obviously that is going to be the second story here. and this one is going ally fcinating. because they just laid out the mechanics of how these agreements worked and how for the first time they bought a story. we do now know karen mcdougal, who store. they also bought and you're saying yes, i do. as they are now getting into this story this is incredibly significant fill in this moment just given karen mcdougal story, was bad, david was worried when they bought that story, that they were violating campaign finance rules? >> yes. actually did research to make sure that they weren't are trying to make sure that they were on the right right side of the wall, which i imagine you're probably going to be hearing about that process because corporations can't spend 100 and over $100,000 from them as to what they can actually spend on that. and
will be that of karen mcdougal. >> well, that's impressive. i'm so glad you said paulo, because you're tightening his grip because the prosecutor just ask david, quote, do you know somebody named karen mcdougal obviously that is going to be the second story here. and this one is going ally fcinating. because they just laid out the mechanics of how these agreements worked and how for the first time they bought a story. we do now know karen mcdougal, who store. they also bought and you're...
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between karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. he talks about not wanting to get involved in stormy daniels. he says, i am not purchasing this tour i am not going to be involved with a porn star. as i've suddenly this is a line. he's going to draw it. i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial. he's the one who negotiated the ndas with mcdougal and with stormy and the timeline is professor kim knows is crucial in any prosecution in august of 2016, keith david rohde will say this is public, that he had a meeting with dylan howard who unfortunately is not a key witness, has been brought u
between karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. he talks about not wanting to get involved in stormy daniels. he says, i am not purchasing this tour i am not going to be involved with a porn star. as i've suddenly this is a line. he's going to draw it. i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal...
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karen mcdougal story. and when you look at the charging documents here for trump, there are some hints about where this goes. next david pecker ends up paying her, but at some point, he decides to not get reimbursed from trump world and i'm curious as to why that happened. so this is the opening salvo, but there's more to counter. so again, you're not going to find the crime a to z found in any one paragraph of testimony, prosecutors have to build a case here and i think two things jump out at me from the transcript. one, this is a full nine alarm fire in trump world and in the national acquire in pecker's environment, they are i mean, they're pulling each other out of meetings. they're borderline panicked okay. the other thing is that establishes a really important chain of communication because this is one of the rare instances. there's a few were david pecker has direct contact with donald trump. most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that
karen mcdougal story. and when you look at the charging documents here for trump, there are some hints about where this goes. next david pecker ends up paying her, but at some point, he decides to not get reimbursed from trump world and i'm curious as to why that happened. so this is the opening salvo, but there's more to counter. so again, you're not going to find the crime a to z found in any one paragraph of testimony, prosecutors have to build a case here and i think two things jump out at...
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so starting with karen mcdougal could, because i think this is actually fundamentally different. we were just talking about from stormy daniels. this was longer term, this was something that trump i mean, he's still denies actually the karen mcdougal relationship. what are you expecting from her? >> this one's more complicated. she has not been antagonistic about donald trump. she still speaks with him with some affection she described in her interview with anderson cooper, she described that they were in love. it was a very an actual relationship and that she ended it because she felt very bad about it being an affair. she's a religious woman and i think it's gonna be very different for him to see her in that courtroom versus stormy daniels or that was a more surface level? bowl, a fair it was a transactional. >> they were talking about a roll on celebrity apprentice for stormy daniels. it was not an emotional affair where he talked about having a child and karen mcdougal in her account, i think it's much more emotional thing than the stormy daniels that's really fascinating. i
so starting with karen mcdougal could, because i think this is actually fundamentally different. we were just talking about from stormy daniels. this was longer term, this was something that trump i mean, he's still denies actually the karen mcdougal relationship. what are you expecting from her? >> this one's more complicated. she has not been antagonistic about donald trump. she still speaks with him with some affection she described in her interview with anderson cooper, she described...
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that's largely about karen mcdougal. there's a passing reference to stormy daniels in the story, but that is, that is a story that was published in the aftermath of access hollywood right before the election that was really back here, mcdougal now, the prosecutor is getting back into the notion of stormy daniels, and that is why so much of david pecker's testimony is about mcdougal or the doorman because that's what ami was involved with. i actually the stormy daniels thing, as we know, pecker said he wanted no part of that. is magazine is at walmart and that will look so good or what have you. and then this is on michael cohen and donald trump dissolve. and so they want to i guess the prosecutors now, if you look here, pecker says of daniel, sorry, that he wasn't going to print it or buy it or be associated with they wanted him to reassess sir that this issue, stormy daniels, which is what all the paperwork in this case is about those payments. that squarely in donald trump's lap via michael cohen were standing by to ge
that's largely about karen mcdougal. there's a passing reference to stormy daniels in the story, but that is, that is a story that was published in the aftermath of access hollywood right before the election that was really back here, mcdougal now, the prosecutor is getting back into the notion of stormy daniels, and that is why so much of david pecker's testimony is about mcdougal or the doorman because that's what ami was involved with. i actually the stormy daniels thing, as we know, pecker...
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they're going from their sabotaging karen mcdougal. they talked about, but door man who would made allegations which were proven to be false about a child, but trump's father was false. now, you're on stormy daniels, where are we in the testimony of david pecker? we're almost at the end because he is also talking about that trump tower meeting was what prosecutors have called the thank-you meeting where he talks to he goes and he sees trump. >> trump. thanks, tim taking care of this? he also invites him to the inauguration. david pecker said he didn't go, and then there's one more meeting that prosecutors have flagged. so this is what i expect david pecker will be asked about when in return soon for after lunch, was that it was in the spring or summer of 2017 after trump has been president, he invites david pecker to the white house, keep i'm sorry. i keep davidson. i'm dylan howard goes along with him and it was the thank you dinner. and he thinks him then trump thinks david pecker for everything he's done for the campaign. so that is
they're going from their sabotaging karen mcdougal. they talked about, but door man who would made allegations which were proven to be false about a child, but trump's father was false. now, you're on stormy daniels, where are we in the testimony of david pecker? we're almost at the end because he is also talking about that trump tower meeting was what prosecutors have called the thank-you meeting where he talks to he goes and he sees trump. >> trump. thanks, tim taking care of this? he...
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mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be funny to hear. no, no. >> it's humiliating for sure. >> obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday. here's what he said this morning. >> i want to start by wishing my life were you happy birthday? >> i should be with her, but i'm the courthouse for rnc. >> so far. >> i'll be going there this evening absolutely. >> case furnishes out with this horrible unconstitutional okay now, you also posted a two-minute video on social media for her birthday, highlighting her time as first lady, and that is what really stood out to you today's stephanie, how come you know, i rolled my eyes when he did that, it was it was so beyond inappropriate, but yet so donald trump that on the way into a trial where they are t
mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be funny to hear. no, no. >> it's humiliating for sure. >> obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday....
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trump that was going to extend karen mcdougal's contract? it was for six months. the contract was up and i felt that from the last lunch that i had with her that we had fulfilled some of the obligations that she was looking for, specifically her beauty products and media training. so i was going to send her a new contract he thought that was on our original conversation. he thought that that was also a bad idea. so when i received the second call, when i got the call back and hope hicks and huckabee sanders, huckabee that sarah sanders when she was on the call, i explained to them to the two of them why i was going to extend the agreement and both of them said they thought it was a good idea. prosecutor asked, what was the reason that you gave for why you wanted to extend karen mcdougal's contract. pecker says, i wanted to extend or contract so she would not go out, not give any further interviews, are talked to the press, or say negative comments about american media or mr. trump? now you said that when you had your individual conversation with mr. trump, he was
trump that was going to extend karen mcdougal's contract? it was for six months. the contract was up and i felt that from the last lunch that i had with her that we had fulfilled some of the obligations that she was looking for, specifically her beauty products and media training. so i was going to send her a new contract he thought that was on our original conversation. he thought that that was also a bad idea. so when i received the second call, when i got the call back and hope hicks and...
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glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross this morning yeah no that. >> was the meat and bones of the prosecution's case in terms the idea that this was all tied to the campaign, that this wasn't a personal thing that wasn't what rudy giuliani is to talk about it. oh, was just disparate as family the embarrassment. >> no the entire criminal congruent between ami and donald trump threw my cohen was to assist the campaign to catch and kill these stories for the purpose of assist in this campaign. >> david pecker himself knew very well this was a campaign finance violations, but here's the catch. >> we're not charging him in new york wit
glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross this morning yeah no that....
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mcdougal's contract it should be extended. >> so just to remind people, karen mcdougal is 1998 playmate of the year, who alleged she had a long term affair and part of the catch and kill was to give her $150,000, david pecker did to have her not tell her story publicly it was not a script pecker said going on to confirm he wasn't surprised by any questions from the prosecutor. that's about the separate issue about whether they're not the defense or the rather the prosecution has coached him. in any case, karen mcdougal had this contract. she was she got $150,000. they bought the rights to her story, including her alleged a with donald trump and then david pecker calls the white house. and so should we, should we extend her contract? pecker said both of them hope and serous anderes said that they thought it was a good idea. >> now those are taxpayer funded employees of ours, of the white house at the time giving recommendation that karen mcdougal's contracts should be extended? >> that's that's pretty interesting. >> i don't think either of them were thinking also about trump's family or
mcdougal's contract it should be extended. >> so just to remind people, karen mcdougal is 1998 playmate of the year, who alleged she had a long term affair and part of the catch and kill was to give her $150,000, david pecker did to have her not tell her story publicly it was not a script pecker said going on to confirm he wasn't surprised by any questions from the prosecutor. that's about the separate issue about whether they're not the defense or the rather the prosecution has coached...
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there's the one with karen mcdougal. and karen, there's also the one with stormy daniels. so these are bad acts that they're allowing alleged bad acts that they're allowed to bring in the prosecutor. yeah. well, this is this is the case. this is the meat of the case. so these are the charged conduct. interestingly, one of the things that matt colangelo's the de making the opening right now said which is david is a coconspirator of donald trump, not he acted as is coconspirator, not his publisher. so what he was saying is that's the conspiracy that meeting that happened in august of 2015 when they got together and they agreed they formed a conspiracy where they all got together and had an agreement that they were going to catch and kill these negative. >> and the first one according to the prosecutor, was this $30,000 payment to former doorman of trump tower, who alleged that trump had fathered a child outside of his marriage. there doesn't appear to be anything to that story at least now that we've seen no evidence that it's a real story, but the payment was made either wa
there's the one with karen mcdougal. and karen, there's also the one with stormy daniels. so these are bad acts that they're allowing alleged bad acts that they're allowed to bring in the prosecutor. yeah. well, this is this is the case. this is the meat of the case. so these are the charged conduct. interestingly, one of the things that matt colangelo's the de making the opening right now said which is david is a coconspirator of donald trump, not he acted as is coconspirator, not his...
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i mean, the he had an independent business relationship with karen mcdougal. she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines he i don't know why he wanted to do that, and obviously, trump did know why either and he was and you seem to be off donald trump. >> what's up and down that well it's not the first time. >> what i think is also significant about these passages is that it shows direct contact between david pecker and donald trump a lot of data pecker's testimony was going through michael cohen, the vast majority of its communications about karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. we're through michael cohen, but as prosecutor, you want to be able to point to these exact excerpts and say donald trump himself knew what was going on. it was very invested and not just conversation, direct conversations, but conversations and statements saying like, we have an agreement with stormy daniels, according to pecker, which gets to donald trump's state of mind that he knew there were these agreements in place because they refer his benefit. and that's the thi
i mean, the he had an independent business relationship with karen mcdougal. she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines he i don't know why he wanted to do that, and obviously, trump did know why either and he was and you seem to be off donald trump. >> what's up and down that well it's not the first time. >> what i think is also significant about these passages is that it shows direct contact between david pecker and donald trump a lot of data pecker's testimony...
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and was asking him, how's karen doing referring to karen mcdougal? >> what trump's team has been trying to do today, and it may seem in the weeds, but it's important it is to undermine what they were saying about the mcdougal agreement, saying actually she did benefit from it because she had these columns published by ami publications that had her name on it to have benefited her career. they're arguing they're saying that they believe they misled michael cohen on whether that agreement with karen mcdougal is bullet-proof. they're basically trying to undermine that. this is all this big cover up and beauvais is asking pecker about that testimony. you were just talking about yesterday, when pecker said trump thanked him for the doorman's story, kristen, you talk to trump sources all day long. what have you been hearing from them as they watch by the way? because obviously there are no cameras in the courtroom. my impression from some trump people as they're watching what we put on the screen and what we've put on cnn.com, beauvais, tip pecker, quote,
and was asking him, how's karen doing referring to karen mcdougal? >> what trump's team has been trying to do today, and it may seem in the weeds, but it's important it is to undermine what they were saying about the mcdougal agreement, saying actually she did benefit from it because she had these columns published by ami publications that had her name on it to have benefited her career. they're arguing they're saying that they believe they misled michael cohen on whether that agreement...
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he was paying money for the karen mcdougal scheme but at some point they said, you we're done being the bank. we are no longer sort of your bank for paying off these people in the caching kill& that explains why it is that michael cohen had to take out this home equity loan that we were hearing about just as the testimony was ending today and explain that difference. now, there's why it is that the national enquirer wasn't paying for this third and final scheme with respect to stormy daniels, but it had to be paid for by michael cohen. so i think that is a very important new detail that we heard that helped flesh out the scheme that we, the basics of which we knew about your book breaks down the very colorful cast of characters in this specific case, but not necessarily trump's assisted rhona graff and michael cohen's banker, gary farro. these lower profile voices set up the record keeping in the accounting that are clearly crucial to this overall case. but how to prosecutors make those rather dry details that we were hearing? very compelling for the jury not every witness in a trial is
he was paying money for the karen mcdougal scheme but at some point they said, you we're done being the bank. we are no longer sort of your bank for paying off these people in the caching kill& that explains why it is that michael cohen had to take out this home equity loan that we were hearing about just as the testimony was ending today and explain that difference. now, there's why it is that the national enquirer wasn't paying for this third and final scheme with respect to stormy...
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karen mcdougal had a similar experience where initially when you look at the reporting, the offer was quite low for her story, it was someone who had suggested said, hey, you should tell your story. that guy is running for president. you want to be the one to tell your story. and then she came out with that also to speak to what this is all going to what these people at least believed it was about david pecker researched whether or not he was violating campaign finance laws when they were making the payment to karen mcdougal because obviously incorporations also cannot donate that much money to a political candidate. so he even thought that this was on the brink of violating the law and again, like look, i think i can't speak to the legalities of whether it's state or federal. >> but the way that the system also works in this country is that you can't just have people handing $130,000 to a candidate or corporation having $130,000 to a candidate. that's not how the system works to in order to protect the voter. i mean, there is an interest here in the voter& if we call this hush money,
karen mcdougal had a similar experience where initially when you look at the reporting, the offer was quite low for her story, it was someone who had suggested said, hey, you should tell your story. that guy is running for president. you want to be the one to tell your story. and then she came out with that also to speak to what this is all going to what these people at least believed it was about david pecker researched whether or not he was violating campaign finance laws when they were...
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mcdougal what payment the evidence of karen mcdougal will come into this case because it's relevant as background, but it's not charged as a crime. >> and the reason is the state crime here is falsification of business records. the allegation, as i said before, is that they did that with stormy daniels because it was really a hush payment, but they called it attorney's fees, but they did not do that with karen mcdougal. it was structured separately. it was structured essentially as a catch and kill that was no falsification. they paid her for the story and then they killed it. so the state law doesn't quite apply here on top, which is the point you were making before. yeah, but that with karen mcdougal, there was discussion of the trump trump world giving ami basically back that money. am i didn't do that and that's the next step that did not happen in that case. it makes it different from what and rudy giuliani is on television in 2018 saying that michael cohen wasn't doing legal work for donald trump when he was paid that amount of money. it's higher than the $130,000. it's closer
mcdougal what payment the evidence of karen mcdougal will come into this case because it's relevant as background, but it's not charged as a crime. >> and the reason is the state crime here is falsification of business records. the allegation, as i said before, is that they did that with stormy daniels because it was really a hush payment, but they called it attorney's fees, but they did not do that with karen mcdougal. it was structured separately. it was structured essentially as a...
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this is where pecker testified trump asked him how karen mcdougal is doing, how significant is that? >> well, i think it could be very significant wealth. i mean, i think that you're seeing right now earlier today, we saw trump's lawyers trying to say jazz, the david pecker is memory was faulty asking questions about contradictory answers he had given in different interviews with prosecutors. and i think that you will see he that is a theme, but to your point about the picture, there's documentation that backs up. what the story of the pecker is telling. there were a lot of references to text messages to email so the fact that pecker and those are supposed to speak to pecker's credibility. the fact that pecker is saying that he had this conversation with trump where trump was knowledgeable enough about karen mcdougal to ask, how is she doing? i think could end up being significant. they also elicited the prosecutors will from david pecker, an answer about essentially his motivations where it was of animus for trump and david pecker is answer was he was my mentor. i'm paraphrasing, bu
this is where pecker testified trump asked him how karen mcdougal is doing, how significant is that? >> well, i think it could be very significant wealth. i mean, i think that you're seeing right now earlier today, we saw trump's lawyers trying to say jazz, the david pecker is memory was faulty asking questions about contradictory answers he had given in different interviews with prosecutors. and i think that you will see he that is a theme, but to your point about the picture, there's...
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deal and just to remind folks, the karen mcdougal deal, this was a playboy playmate who alleged having a ten to 11 month relationship with donald trump. she had a story and what happened was that the tabloid magnate david pecker in ami, his company hired her. i gave her $150,000 to write a column for a different magazine in their end-to-end prior, i think it was health or health and fitness or something like that. she never wrote anything. she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david pecker had an election attorney look at this. this deal was going on. >> i think right before the 2016 election as well. yeah. well, it the implication would be that there was no actual election law violation as a result of these types of deals. right. so he has a lawyer ticket over. apparently the lawyer blessed it. right. and the deal with stormy daniels is strictly shuffle actually very, very similar, right? so that's sort of the implication. i don't think it actually is that potent of an observation. i don't i doubt we're going to hear from that lawyer in the course of this trial, which would be
deal and just to remind folks, the karen mcdougal deal, this was a playboy playmate who alleged having a ten to 11 month relationship with donald trump. she had a story and what happened was that the tabloid magnate david pecker in ami, his company hired her. i gave her $150,000 to write a column for a different magazine in their end-to-end prior, i think it was health or health and fitness or something like that. she never wrote anything. she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david...
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she also confirmed that he kept contact information for karen mcdougal and for stormy daniels who's said she saw at trump tower and assumed that she was being considered for celebrity apprentice from the transcript, am i correct that prior to starmer, stormy daniels coming up to the office at trump tower, you recall hearing president trump discuss whether stormy daniels would be a good contested answer? i vaguely the recall hearing him say that she was at one at one of the people who may be an interesting contestant on that show and then last step today you had michael cohen's former banker, gary farro, a connect the dots kind of witness said that cohen coordinated with him to try to create an account for an llc that cohen would use to pay stormy daniels at 130,000 bucks. >> now from the transcripts, they tell you what the new account would be four answer the same for real estate and did he express any type of urgency and opening the account answer every time moke michael cohen spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this is one of those times answer, this is one of those times. let'
she also confirmed that he kept contact information for karen mcdougal and for stormy daniels who's said she saw at trump tower and assumed that she was being considered for celebrity apprentice from the transcript, am i correct that prior to starmer, stormy daniels coming up to the office at trump tower, you recall hearing president trump discuss whether stormy daniels would be a good contested answer? i vaguely the recall hearing him say that she was at one at one of the people who may be an...
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or he had just begun talking about karen mcdougal, the former playboy playmate, and his efforts to bury stories about her. this gets into a very important subject areas about what donald trump did and how he did it to keep stories from going public. and he could testify about stormy daniels later as well. there is more news though breaking overnight new charges in arizona against several donald trump's closest associates were trying to overthrow the election results. there former chief of staff mark meadows, is among those charged. now remember cassidy hutchinson worked for mark meadows and she spoke to cnn overnight, cnn senior crime adjusted reported katelyn poland's has the latest on that front, hard to keep up with it all galen yeah. >> john cassidy hutchinson is not likely to be a witness in this new york hush money trial, but she is someone who had a front row seat to the trump presidency. she was in the white house. she's someone who was very loyal to donald trump at the time it before becoming a key witness related to what happened during the 2020 election that led to other crim
or he had just begun talking about karen mcdougal, the former playboy playmate, and his efforts to bury stories about her. this gets into a very important subject areas about what donald trump did and how he did it to keep stories from going public. and he could testify about stormy daniels later as well. there is more news though breaking overnight new charges in arizona against several donald trump's closest associates were trying to overthrow the election results. there former chief of staff...
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mcdougal to get up there potentially. >> i just remind everyone what karen mcdougal has said about her alleged affair with donald trump when i got what ham actually, there was a there was a real relationship there, there was real if they were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just him. >> there was a rare relationship. there. were you in love with him? >> i want to and do you think he was in love with you? >> he was. yeah did don't trump ever say to you that he loved you all the time? i still me he loved me no. >> i don't maybe this is not a question, but is monitor angry are about stormy daniels or karen mcdougal? >> well, this is something i reported on back in the de for cnn and she's far more concerned, an emotional about karen mcdougal cool. because mostly of the things that she just said there to anderson cooper she was in her home, right? she don't jump took her to their their private personal home and he also according to karen mcdougal, said the elward's said that he loved are and that they loved each other. i think for millennia, john, that's far more
mcdougal to get up there potentially. >> i just remind everyone what karen mcdougal has said about her alleged affair with donald trump when i got what ham actually, there was a there was a real relationship there, there was real if they were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just him. >> there was a rare relationship. there. were you in love with him? >> i want to and do you think he was in love with you? >> he was. yeah did don't trump ever say...
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so when he is back on this in on thursday, he will then begin to describe the karen mcdougal deal we got just the beginning of this today where they learned about her allegation of a romantic relationship with trump, and they're figuring out what to do with it. when he left us 20 today was that he was being called frequently by a by michael cohen who wanted to know where things stood. so that will pick up on thursday, understanding how this deal ended up being one of these caching kills were ami paid $150,000 start to go away and then shifting into the stormy daniels payment that is at the heart of this case. and what that transfer and how am i found out about it and how it ultimately led to michael cohen being the one to pay the $130,000 that then prosecutor peter say trump reimbursed in width so that we'll get to the key elements of this case when pecker is back on the stand on thursday. >> all right. kara scannell outside the courthouse in manhattan. thanks so much for joining us. sounded discuss is jeremy saland, a former prosecutor with manhattan district attorney, as well as tr
so when he is back on this in on thursday, he will then begin to describe the karen mcdougal deal we got just the beginning of this today where they learned about her allegation of a romantic relationship with trump, and they're figuring out what to do with it. when he left us 20 today was that he was being called frequently by a by michael cohen who wanted to know where things stood. so that will pick up on thursday, understanding how this deal ended up being one of these caching kills were...
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pecker also discussed in earlier scheme involving former playboy model karen mcdougal. she alleged having a nearly year long relationship with trump, which the former president denies. pecker told the jury he would not have entered into the deal with mcdougal if it wasn't going to benefit trump's campaign saying, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. trump's attorney, emil beauvais, used his time cross-examining pecker to show how the mutually ben relationship between him and trump went back almost two decades before the 2016 election. he confirmed with pecker that he had been giving trump a heads-up about negative stories during that time, bove as pecker if it was standard operating procedure for media to work with politicians, including sometimes to win elections pecker replied, yes. >> today was breathtaking. this room. he went on, he was breathtaking and amazing testimony. before court, trump commented on pecker's testimony at a stop at a midtown construction site. prosecutors cited his words to the judge on thursday as
pecker also discussed in earlier scheme involving former playboy model karen mcdougal. she alleged having a nearly year long relationship with trump, which the former president denies. pecker told the jury he would not have entered into the deal with mcdougal if it wasn't going to benefit trump's campaign saying, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. trump's attorney, emil beauvais, used his time cross-examining pecker to show how the mutually ben...
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it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much, but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with arguably, but at some point the notion. so i was involved in the scheme to make an illegal campaign donation and i was involved in this scheme to sort pay off michael cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. now, arguably that is the defense, that is their best defense. >> but at some point, if he's involved in all the other parts of this scheme, i think it's reasonable to say, well, maybe he was in part involved in this part of it if he was checking to make sure that the payment was made in cash, that does point to a level of interest in sort of the nitty-gritt
it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much, but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with arguably, but at...
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i just want to play what karen mcdougall said during the interview. or not, we don't have it. >> why would he have amended -- i don't understand why david would have amended the agreement with karen? >> is not clear to me either. he had an independent business with mcdougall she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines. i don't know why he wanted to do that. obviously, trump didn't know why either common he was thiss spirit. >> what i think is significant is it shows direct contact between pecker and donald trump. it was about this and as a prosecutor you want to point to these excerpts and say donald trump himself knew what was going on. >> not only indirect conversations but saying we have been agreement with stormy daniels according to pecker which gives to a state of mind he knew the agreement was in place. >> they were for his benefit. that is the thing. one of the issue is is did donald treat -- track did he do this to get elected. the quotes that you read showed that he knew that is why these agreements were in place and he was
i just want to play what karen mcdougall said during the interview. or not, we don't have it. >> why would he have amended -- i don't understand why david would have amended the agreement with karen? >> is not clear to me either. he had an independent business with mcdougall she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines. i don't know why he wanted to do that. obviously, trump didn't know why either common he was thiss spirit. >> what i think is significant is it...
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this election interference case doesn't involve just stormy daniels it involves karen mcdougal, karen mcdougal is a former playboy model who the new yorker magazine first reported had an affair and with trump. >> prosecutors say, and the enquirer were part of a scheme to pay mcdougal and stormy daniels for their stories about their alleged affairs with trump. and then to bury those stories. >> so it's called catch and kill as an approach, story is an episode that's, it might be incredibly embarrassing or damaging to donald trump as he ran for president might be acquired by the national enquirer and never see the light of day. >> trump has denied having affairs with both mcdougal& daniel's. prosecutors have given david immunity in exchange for his testimony his former company, american media, has signed a non-prosecution agreement with prosecutors. born in the brain rocks picker, didn't start his career with the tabloids, but was gradually drawn to that world i believe it's an accountant he had worked in book publishing but he saw an opportunity he thought in tabloid news with american
this election interference case doesn't involve just stormy daniels it involves karen mcdougal, karen mcdougal is a former playboy model who the new yorker magazine first reported had an affair and with trump. >> prosecutors say, and the enquirer were part of a scheme to pay mcdougal and stormy daniels for their stories about their alleged affairs with trump. and then to bury those stories. >> so it's called catch and kill as an approach, story is an episode that's, it might be...
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they named karen mcdougal, who's that? $100,000 payment to the former playmate of the year? he says that she had an affair and was in love with donald trump, at least 45 times. stormy daniels, 35 times, and david 64 times that's the opening files. what does that tell you that that's the focus. >> well, i'll tell you this the use of the word defendant is an important one terminology plays a big role in how attorneys frame cases. certainly the defense is trying to refer to the foreign president as former president trump, the prosecution is being very, very clear about referring to him as the defendant and using the term that defendant over and over again, we're trained this. we were all this is prosecutors use that term defendant to remind the jury that this person there is on trial. it doesn't matter what you think about them. you're not trying to humanize them at all you are reducing this individual you'll the facts now also, than all the other stuff backer i mentioned, this before times convey that coleman is not making that grade and the same level of their mentions, you k
they named karen mcdougal, who's that? $100,000 payment to the former playmate of the year? he says that she had an affair and was in love with donald trump, at least 45 times. stormy daniels, 35 times, and david 64 times that's the opening files. what does that tell you that that's the focus. >> well, i'll tell you this the use of the word defendant is an important one terminology plays a big role in how attorneys frame cases. certainly the defense is trying to refer to the foreign...
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now he began by introducing them to karen mcdougal. but tomorrow they're really going to get into the heart of that deal. and the role of ami, the role of michael cohen, the phone calls around this and how that came to be, and then move into the store let me daniel deal, which is at the center of this case, and bring the campaign into this even more so, he's expected to be on the stand, i think for quite awhile, maybe the whole day when the defense gets their cross-examination going, but he will be for the prosecution's witness to try to continue to establish these this catch and kill conspiracy. and then also the motive for which was to help donald trump's campaign. >> it's every day. what do you see? david pecker is role as this for the prosecution. >> i think for so long we've talked about michael cohen as the narrator, and i think what's so powerful here is that david pecker is really serving as that narrator, but he has the benefit of not having the hostility and credibility issues that are associated. michael cohen. >> but he's r
now he began by introducing them to karen mcdougal. but tomorrow they're really going to get into the heart of that deal. and the role of ami, the role of michael cohen, the phone calls around this and how that came to be, and then move into the store let me daniel deal, which is at the center of this case, and bring the campaign into this even more so, he's expected to be on the stand, i think for quite awhile, maybe the whole day when the defense gets their cross-examination going, but he...
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mcdougal google's silence being bought for $150,000. that would have been and i forget if i don't know if it was the prosecution or mr. packer, but tabloid gold was the term that was used because people who read the national enquirer would have bought a lot of copies of it to read the story about donald j. trump, and 1998 play of the year pecker was the first witness on the stand for four days what do you know having researched this so much for your book and for the article about karen mcdougal, what do you know about david pecker and his relationship with donald trump that the jury did not here well, one thing is that it was a wider, deeper relationship than is being admitted into this case. there was a safe that contained a lot of materials about trump those materials moved locations several times over the course of disk becoming an electoral issue. there was a list that i was shown by a senior ami source of trump's stories, not all of them terribly consequential. some of them were his feud with rosie o'donnell, but some of them were
mcdougal google's silence being bought for $150,000. that would have been and i forget if i don't know if it was the prosecution or mr. packer, but tabloid gold was the term that was used because people who read the national enquirer would have bought a lot of copies of it to read the story about donald j. trump, and 1998 play of the year pecker was the first witness on the stand for four days what do you know having researched this so much for your book and for the article about karen...
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karen mcdougal and the doorman. then stormy than they paid stormy daniels, but still to me, this agreement this criminal conspiracy, they got together and said that they were going to do this and then paid people off to me. that's the difference as the attorneys are at the bench, trump is shuffling through the papers in front of him and looking at them the courtroom. so quiet that cnn's reporters say they can hear the pages trump is shuffling, tim well what is your take on what karen just said and it is one of those things where i don't think that if i were cross-examining, i probably would not attack his credibility because i think a lot of this stuff it is it's probably all true what i would actually cross-examined amman is more of the pattern of how this happens across campaigns. >> i would be cross-examining him on the steele dossier. the allegations of a trump p. tape, and all of those things, and the fact that this was happening across the board of false stories being being put out and that's still does here i
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mcdougal, and adult film star stormy daniels, to women who alleged affairs with trump, both of which he denies mcdougal's contact entry included a phone number, email and to addresses. daniel's contact listed her cell phone she testified as far as she can remember, trump never used email to communicate prosecutor susan hoffinger, ask graph if she had seen daniels at trump tower, graph responded that she vaguely recalled one seeing daniel's in reception on the 26th floor then it was trump's attorneys turn to cross-examine graph. susan nicholas asked graph about trump's interest in casting stars in celebrity apprentice, suggesting that was the reason daniel's was spotted at trump tower. graph responded, that's what she assumed testifying. i vaguely recall hearing him say that she was one of the people that may be an interesting contestant on the show. >> thank you. thank you. good job as trump's assistant, ghraieb often appeared on the apprentice trump profit. >> he asked me to call all you and tell you to meet him tomorrow morning at the new york stock exchange. >> graff said in her t
mcdougal, and adult film star stormy daniels, to women who alleged affairs with trump, both of which he denies mcdougal's contact entry included a phone number, email and to addresses. daniel's contact listed her cell phone she testified as far as she can remember, trump never used email to communicate prosecutor susan hoffinger, ask graph if she had seen daniels at trump tower, graph responded that she vaguely recalled one seeing daniel's in reception on the 26th floor then it was trump's...
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mcdougal, and then ultimately the third kachin killed deal, the one at the core of this case involving stormy daniels. after his testimony is completed by the prosecutor's, then donald trump's lawyers will have a chance to begin their cross-examination of him. that could be as soon as tomorrow afternoon. >> like. you're scannell on new york for us, cara. thank you. i want to bring in our legal and political experts right now and michael moore, let me start with you just before he yesterday's hearing, trump actually gave an interview to cnn affiliate wpvi and said this, listen michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers let you expect the judge is going to react to this apparent this apparent violation of the order that the judge imposed. yeah. well, i'm glad to be with you. he can't help himself. apparently, i'm that just seems to be the norm for him. and so right after you have this rather contentious hearing the judge had his tempers flaring up a little bit. i think it is lawyer for him to them come on and mak
mcdougal, and then ultimately the third kachin killed deal, the one at the core of this case involving stormy daniels. after his testimony is completed by the prosecutor's, then donald trump's lawyers will have a chance to begin their cross-examination of him. that could be as soon as tomorrow afternoon. >> like. you're scannell on new york for us, cara. thank you. i want to bring in our legal and political experts right now and michael moore, let me start with you just before he...
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mcdougal. we're going to be talking about stormy daniels and they're going to try and say, you know donald trump wasn't really involved in this. this is all michael cohen's doing and michael cohen was the fixer and took it upon himself to try and protect this this man. what's interesting to me, and i don't know the answer to this question. is, why haven't they attacked mr. pecker donald trump has not attacked david pecker& i think it may be because he feels that pecker self has a little bit of power over him. you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do more harm and that so you might be running yeah, it's interesting you. >> a good point. all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead.
mcdougal. we're going to be talking about stormy daniels and they're going to try and say, you know donald trump wasn't really involved in this. this is all michael cohen's doing and michael cohen was the fixer and took it upon himself to try and protect this this man. what's interesting to me, and i don't know the answer to this question. is, why haven't they attacked mr. pecker donald trump has not attacked david pecker& i think it may be because he feels that pecker self has a little bit...
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the karen mcdougal self came up just at the very amperage and grass. thank you very much for that really leaving the jury to think about for the next 24 hours or were you stay here as a father of twins? you will be very interested in this one. the good stuff this morning talking about a whole lot of seeing double the graduating class at nor one high school in pennsylvaniaill have notne not tw not even thre but 11 sets of inwins walng across the graduation stage at the en of the sool ar surprising even some of the twins themselves listen i n't rely reaze as 30, so many of until we algot wn in the fice nod oh, my gosh, there's literally 22 of us. i thought it was normal, so i mean, i just think it's really cool. think we all ca relate that when we're going to to college just give be hard because we just like lived together constantly and we'd grown up and teach her the whole years and graduating togethers cnn affiliate wta e. reports that some siblings will be attending i'm colleges together in the fall. >> others are forging their own pads principal mic
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mcdougal, 150,000 so he taped them in order to get back on track. so is going to say he heard the tape and you're going to hear the tape through michael cohen what else was there for the jury not to believe? >> let's there for the jury not to believe. i mean, the defense would say what part of this is? which part of this is a crime? i mean, people are influencing elections all the time, catch and kill is not a crime to that you say, i think the big, the biggest problem trump's going to have as michael cohen. but the biggest problem the prosecution is going to have is michael cohen because we all know whether you liked donald trump or don't like them. he used cohen used to be his lawyer, so that would make a reasonable juror. thank well, this guy has got something to say that's valuable. he represented him, trump trusted him sure. that's one. on the other hand, though, these are just the facts trump. cohen is a convicted liar, convicted felon lied to congress. tax evasion. and what the defense is going to do, abbe like what you just said when it's th
mcdougal, 150,000 so he taped them in order to get back on track. so is going to say he heard the tape and you're going to hear the tape through michael cohen what else was there for the jury not to believe? >> let's there for the jury not to believe. i mean, the defense would say what part of this is? which part of this is a crime? i mean, people are influencing elections all the time, catch and kill is not a crime to that you say, i think the big, the biggest problem trump's going to...
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i don't don't think they wanted it out there that he was cheating on melania with karen mcdougal and then shooting on karen mcdougal, stormy daniels and suit was untested at that point would the evangelicals actually embrace him as they did? and you can make an argument. there were some who thought, well, of course, once people know the full sorted details of his life, they're not going to, of course, little did we know actually, of course, they actually would embrace him and just ignore it despite all the the stuff they have said. but back in 2015, he was an untested candidate. exactly. what did he noticed was against your argument, would fights against your argument is it's donald trump. we now know and michael cohen who held this meeting, who called david pecker in for this meeting. it wasn't david pecker coming as previously thought i'm not saying they don't think they didn't desire gets. >> me know because of course is obvious defenses. i've been buying stories and controlling my media for my whole life. that's my brand. the difference here is he was running for office and yes,
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and then as things went on, when the karen mcdougal google situation came up, for example, i'm expecting to hear about more conversations about the catch and kill with that, of course, was stormy daniels ami ultimately didn't pay for that. but i think the original plan was that they would and so i expect that so he's going to take us from the beginning, i think all the way up to the stormy daniels situation, which is one why i think it was a good idea to put them first. he sets the stage for what ultimately happens with the daniels payoff. >> so bill, you have represented trump before. what did you make the defense's strategy today when defense attorney todd blanche said, quote, there's nothing wrong with trying to influence an election. it's called democracy, as well as quote, trump fought back to protect his family his reputation and his brand. that is not a crime unquote i think a low jake, thanks for having i think todd's right about that. >> i mean there is the conundrum in this case. you've got some publisher of a magazine. it's headlines are typically elvis raising alien baby on m
and then as things went on, when the karen mcdougal google situation came up, for example, i'm expecting to hear about more conversations about the catch and kill with that, of course, was stormy daniels ami ultimately didn't pay for that. but i think the original plan was that they would and so i expect that so he's going to take us from the beginning, i think all the way up to the stormy daniels situation, which is one why i think it was a good idea to put them first. he sets the stage for...
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jury's going to believe he is also someone who when the karen mcdougal payment was being made, he researched, is this a campaign finance contribution violation because he was worried that his corporation his entity paying that that would constitute once this is certainly something they had on the brain over that course the period of suppressing these stories. >> and i think that'll be part of the cross-examination clearly, he's a he's low-hanging fruit for across it for good cross examiner. but at the end of the day, when you look at who had something to gain here, it was the defendant more than mr. packer. >> problem is they're going to go after all these witnesses and they're going to say all have an ax to grind. everybody has an actor well, eventually you run out of axes and not everybody here is going to have a motive. and some of their stories are going to corroborate the stories of the people they say have motives. so it only takes you so far to say everybody is motivated to lie and david wanted trump to be president. >> he was someone who covered for trump when he was had the he went
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who is karen mcdougal? who is david? you need to set the stage even if people are vaguely familiar with stormy daniels and some of the more salacious allegations they're absolutely not familiar with the nuts and bolts, so that's why they need to walk them through step-by-step, taking the time to talk about the numbers or the email accounts all setting up these larger pieces of evidence that the prosecution hopes will prove their case are important or not having isolation, right. >> todd blanche, to the defense team are going to have their shot as well. >> and who's going to tell a better story with the better facts and details that they believe prove their version of events is probably going to determine who wins his case and who ends this case. >> i could mean everything 12 people, maybe 18 could determine everything in this country. all right. thank you both. and as we stay here continuing our special coverage, wealth thanks, erin. thanks very much. are cnn legal analysts are back with the right now, karen friedman, ag
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. >> she maintained were for former playboy model karen mcdougal and adult film star stormy daniels, to women who alleged affairs with trump, both of which he denies. mcdougal's contact entry included a phone number, email, and two addresses. daniel it's contact listed herself phone. she testified as far as she can remember, trump never used email to communicate prosecutor susan hoffinger, ask graph if she had seen daniels at trump tower graph responded that she vaguely recalled one seeing daniel's in reception on the 26th floor then it was trump's attorneys turn to cross-examine graph. susan nicholas asked graph about trump's interest in casting stars in celebrity apprentice, suggesting that was the reason daniel's was spotted at trump tower graph responded, that's what she assumed testifying. i vaguely recall hearing him say that she was one of the people that may be an interesting contestant. destined on the show. >> thank you. good job as trump's assistant, ghraieb, often appeared on the apprentice trump. >> he asked me to call you and tell you to meet him tomorrow morning at the
. >> she maintained were for former playboy model karen mcdougal and adult film star stormy daniels, to women who alleged affairs with trump, both of which he denies. mcdougal's contact entry included a phone number, email, and two addresses. daniel it's contact listed herself phone. she testified as far as she can remember, trump never used email to communicate prosecutor susan hoffinger, ask graph if she had seen daniels at trump tower graph responded that she vaguely recalled one...