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mcdougal and stormy daniels. she also said that she saw daniels in the trump tower reception area, all this in just two weeks of the trial. tara and dave join me again. quite the testimony there, from pecker. you had trump's attorney trying to pierce his credibility, making the case whether the former editor published these salacious stories about celebrities purchased them for future leverage he did so purely to improve his company's bottom line. is that something that stands in court? >> i think that pecker was a pretty strong witness. and given his intimate knowledge of how everything worked, and his relationship with donald trump over the years he came across as credible. i don't think donald trump's defense team really made a dent in his testimony. and by the time they get to closing arguments i think the highlights of testimony will be what the jurors remember. and, the fact that he was such a strong prosecution witness, pretty calm and collected going to the whole thing on the witness stand. he was pretty
mcdougal and stormy daniels. she also said that she saw daniels in the trump tower reception area, all this in just two weeks of the trial. tara and dave join me again. quite the testimony there, from pecker. you had trump's attorney trying to pierce his credibility, making the case whether the former editor published these salacious stories about celebrities purchased them for future leverage he did so purely to improve his company's bottom line. is that something that stands in court?...
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. >> now, pecker also detailed making a payout to former playmate karen mcdougal to silence her account of an alleged affair with trump. yesterday trump's longtime assistant said that information for both mcdougal and stormy daniels were in trump's contact list, and pecker testified that he spoke with former white house staffer, hope hicks and sarah sanders, about an extension of mcdougal's hush money contract on a call with the white house. what do you think the jury took from all of that? >> well, i think that the jury can very easily take the fact that this was an organized scheme. this wasn't just the national enquirer, for example, acting on its own, buying stories that they just didn't want published in competitive -- in competitor's news publications, they were doing this for the purpose, for donald trump, to give him a benefit, a presidential benefit, a campaign benefit that. is what directly runs afoul of new york state and federal law. and that is what the prosecution has to prove in this case. so again, they were both very critical witnesses. i think that you'll see other wit
. >> now, pecker also detailed making a payout to former playmate karen mcdougal to silence her account of an alleged affair with trump. yesterday trump's longtime assistant said that information for both mcdougal and stormy daniels were in trump's contact list, and pecker testified that he spoke with former white house staffer, hope hicks and sarah sanders, about an extension of mcdougal's hush money contract on a call with the white house. what do you think the jury took from all of...
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. >> david pecker acknowledged he did this catch and kill with karen mcdougal for the benefit of the truck campaign. >> they spent hours trying to trip them up, catch them in contributions. >> he grabs and president donald 's former executive assistant described as a gatekeeper, his right hand, and lawyers are being paid for by president donald . >> you heard that word gatekeeper. he has gatekeepers and allies and friends that are talking under oath and the da is getting details out of them to bolster the opening argument. where the jury was told cases about a criminal conspiracy and a cover-up. david pecker has been admitting that. he recounts his dealing with the star witness michael cohen to buy in and bury stories, in order to protect president donald 's campaign. they allege an agreement to then hide financial footprints. they told the jury this will also be corroborated with evidence in , the defendant's own words, showing an illegal conspiracy. he said there is not an actual conspiracy charge in this case. that is true. the word conspiracy has a legal meaning and a more colloq
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so up you have stormy daniels, you have karen mcdougal. we saw of key players. the women who were involved and the details could be even more revealing in terms of trump's actual involvement. we hear that the defense will site stormy daniels does not know anything about what went wrong in terms of the business records, but stormy daniels will still be relying kind of her interactions with the former president and i think that will be very uncomfortable for trump as he continues to have to sit through weeks of these cases and these stories that are being laid out for the jury to hear. >> let's discuss the supreme court hearing arguments on thursday on trump's claims of presidential immunity. it appears some justices believe at least some immunity is necessary. to the questions indicate to you how they are likely to rule? >> alex, they did and the indicated that to me indirectly because of some of the things we heard the justices say. is not related to the issue before them, but i thought it was amazing that justice alito actually said, isn't it true that the gran
so up you have stormy daniels, you have karen mcdougal. we saw of key players. the women who were involved and the details could be even more revealing in terms of trump's actual involvement. we hear that the defense will site stormy daniels does not know anything about what went wrong in terms of the business records, but stormy daniels will still be relying kind of her interactions with the former president and i think that will be very uncomfortable for trump as he continues to have to sit...
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. >> she maintained were for former playboy model karen mcdougal, and adult film star stormy daniels, to women who alleged affairs with trump, both of which he denies. mcdougal's contact entry included a phone number, email, and two addresses daniel's contact i've listed herself phone she testified as far as she can remember, trump never used email to communicate prosecutor susan hoffinger, ask graph if she had seen daniels at trump tower, graph responded that she vaguely recalled one seeing daniel's in reception on the 26th floor then it was trump's attorneys turned to cross-examine graph. susan nicholas ask graph about trump's interest in casting stars and celebrity apprentice, suggesting that was the reason daniel's was spotted at trump tower. graph responded, that's what she assumed testifying. i vaguely recall hearing him say that she was one of the people that may be an interesting contestant. a student on the show. >> thank you. good job as trump's assistant, ghraieb often appeared on the apprentice trump profit. >> he asked me to call you and tell you to meet him tomorrow morn
. >> she maintained were for former playboy model karen mcdougal, and adult film star stormy daniels, to women who alleged affairs with trump, both of which he denies. mcdougal's contact entry included a phone number, email, and two addresses daniel's contact i've listed herself phone she testified as far as she can remember, trump never used email to communicate prosecutor susan hoffinger, ask graph if she had seen daniels at trump tower, graph responded that she vaguely recalled one...
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one was karen mcdougal. you had her first and her last name, her email, i think there was a phone number there. it was actually put up on a screen for the court to see, and then the other information was stephanie clifford, but it didn't say stephanie clifford, all it said was "stormy," and then it had a cell phone number. it is interesting, because i think part of the reason rona graff was brought in to testify was to establish potentially for the defense that the relationship between donald trump and stormy daniels could have been about stormy daniels wanting to become a contestant on "the celebrity apprentice," that she wanted something from him. because she came to trump tower in 2007, she has written about it in her book called "full disclosure," they had a meeting, and the allegation that was left for the defense by the jury is that she was there angling to get a slot or a celebrity spot on that show, "celebrity apprentice." >> interesting. kristy, you had taught blanche to explain somewhat awkwardly t
one was karen mcdougal. you had her first and her last name, her email, i think there was a phone number there. it was actually put up on a screen for the court to see, and then the other information was stephanie clifford, but it didn't say stephanie clifford, all it said was "stormy," and then it had a cell phone number. it is interesting, because i think part of the reason rona graff was brought in to testify was to establish potentially for the defense that the relationship...
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from saying -- karen mcdougal from saying he she had an affair with trump, something trump conditions. trump -- trump denies. another scheme, to silence adult film star stormy daniels who claims she also had a sexual encounter with trump which trump also denies. during less than an hour of testimony, his former executive assistant says she vaguely remembers seeing daniels before the 2016 election. trump continues to call the trial politically motivated. >> and we sit here day after day after day, which is their plan, because they think they might be able to eke out an election. but i doubt it, because the poll numbers are very good for us. >> reporter: when court resumes on tuesday, bank executive gary farrow will return to the stand. he is the state's third witness. he testified on friday that he was former president donald trump's ex, he was the banker, rather, of former president donald trump's ex-fixer, michael cohen, when cohen wired $130,000 hush money payment to daniels days after, days before or the 2016 election. back to you. arthel: all right. we'll take the it back here, c.
from saying -- karen mcdougal from saying he she had an affair with trump, something trump conditions. trump -- trump denies. another scheme, to silence adult film star stormy daniels who claims she also had a sexual encounter with trump which trump also denies. during less than an hour of testimony, his former executive assistant says she vaguely remembers seeing daniels before the 2016 election. trump continues to call the trial politically motivated. >> and we sit here day after day...
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mcdougal. it does say in this agreement that ami technologist that the principal purpose of entering into the agreement with michael cohen and donald trump was to suppress karen mcdougal's story so as to prevent it from influencing the election. this is somatically the theory as well of the prosecution, is it not ? >> it is. that is what the prosecution has to prove to convert the simple misdemeanor of false business records and the felony crime of creating false business records in order to conceal or eight in the commission of another crime. and, i think, katie, it is worth peeling back the curtain a little bit here to talk about what is going on behind the scenes with david pecker. not only is there an agreement with "the national enquirer", he's also testifying pursuant to a grant of immunity. the way that works is prosecutors tell him if you testifying and if you tell the truth, you won't be prosecuted. but, if you take the witness stand and you line, you are subject to prosecution for eve
mcdougal. it does say in this agreement that ami technologist that the principal purpose of entering into the agreement with michael cohen and donald trump was to suppress karen mcdougal's story so as to prevent it from influencing the election. this is somatically the theory as well of the prosecution, is it not ? >> it is. that is what the prosecution has to prove to convert the simple misdemeanor of false business records and the felony crime of creating false business records in order...
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in the case of karen mcdougal, they had a contract with her and that was according to david pecker solely to keep her story off the market but she did in signing that get other things with the agreement. she got, you know, she would have a column, she would get on the cover of a magazine. david pecker said that was all window dressing for the payment to keep her quiet but donald trump's lawyers will say that contract was actually legitimate and payment for services. that will come down to what the crime is. what was that payment, wasn't legal or not? >> you have the hush money case in new york and then you have before the supreme court the argument over presidential immunity. it's easy to talk about those in silos, but you say they are connected. >> they are connected because they are asking the courts, juries, and the country, is donald trump above the law. in the hush money case, you have a person who repeatedly attack potential wishes is that he is under a gag order. unlike any other defendant, he has not seen any repercussions. the prosecutors want a big fine. they don't want jail tim
in the case of karen mcdougal, they had a contract with her and that was according to david pecker solely to keep her story off the market but she did in signing that get other things with the agreement. she got, you know, she would have a column, she would get on the cover of a magazine. david pecker said that was all window dressing for the payment to keep her quiet but donald trump's lawyers will say that contract was actually legitimate and payment for services. that will come down to what...
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mcdougal, and adult film star stormy daniels, to women who alleged affairs with trump, both of which he denies mcdougal's contact entry included a phone number, email and to addresses. daniel's contact listed her cell phone she testified as far as she can remember, trump never used email to communicate prosecutor susan hoffinger, ask graph if she had seen daniels at trump tower, graph responded that she vaguely recalled one seeing daniel's in reception on the 26th floor then it was trump's attorneys turn to cross-examine graph. susan nicholas asked graph about trump's interest in casting stars in celebrity apprentice, suggesting that was the reason daniel's was spotted at trump tower. graph responded, that's what she assumed testifying. i vaguely recall hearing him say that she was one of the people that may be an interesting contestant on the show. >> thank you. thank you. good job as trump's assistant, ghraieb often appeared on the apprentice trump profit. >> he asked me to call all you and tell you to meet him tomorrow morning at the new york stock exchange. >> graff said in her t
mcdougal, and adult film star stormy daniels, to women who alleged affairs with trump, both of which he denies mcdougal's contact entry included a phone number, email and to addresses. daniel's contact listed her cell phone she testified as far as she can remember, trump never used email to communicate prosecutor susan hoffinger, ask graph if she had seen daniels at trump tower, graph responded that she vaguely recalled one seeing daniel's in reception on the 26th floor then it was trump's...
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mcdougal, as well as stormy daniels, and that stormy daniels was the at trump plaza at least on one occasion, but nothing that really stood out that was so bombshell that will stand out too. jury documentary evidence that he produced sort of establishing the timeline and the importance of getting those payments done before the election that will be crucial, right? absolutely. the urgency. so we learned the urgency that michael cohen had in order to get the payments made during that short period of time, not to sit on these payments, not to wait until after the election, but instead to get these payments that as soon as he requested it, which was shortly after the accident this hollywood tape had been released. so we got to learn to urgency and the importance of this timeline that will lay to play out during the trial. >> all right. so you've been a defense attorney, so any moments there you felt that the defense really did a good job puncturing the prosecutor's argument well, the defense attorney did what they could. >> you've got to think with a witness like david pecker, he used t
mcdougal, as well as stormy daniels, and that stormy daniels was the at trump plaza at least on one occasion, but nothing that really stood out that was so bombshell that will stand out too. jury documentary evidence that he produced sort of establishing the timeline and the importance of getting those payments done before the election that will be crucial, right? absolutely. the urgency. so we learned the urgency that michael cohen had in order to get the payments made during that short period...
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i don't don't think they wanted it out there that he was cheating on melania with karen mcdougal and then shooting on karen mcdougal, stormy daniels and suit was untested at that point would the evangelicals actually embrace him as they did? and you can make an argument. there were some who thought, well, of course, once people know the full sorted details of his life, they're not going to, of course, little did we know actually, of course, they actually would embrace him and just ignore it despite all the the stuff they have said. but back in 2015, he was an untested candidate. exactly. what did he noticed was against your argument, would fights against your argument is it's donald trump. we now know and michael cohen who held this meeting, who called david pecker in for this meeting. it wasn't david pecker coming as previously thought i'm not saying they don't think they didn't desire gets. >> me know because of course is obvious defenses. i've been buying stories and controlling my media for my whole life. that's my brand. the difference here is he was running for office and yes,
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there's no people surrounding karen mcdougal? yes, there's no question for exclusivity when you're a weekly publication and you need to hold someone from speaking to another media organization for a week's time, you're going to put them under some type of exclusivity. it could be a couple 100 dollars, it could be several thousands of dollars. i mean, we operated no differently. i mean, we were bold about the fact that we practice checkbook journalism and certainly there were individuals who called the enquirer tip line specifically because they were looking for money, but television shows would pay for video. they would pay still pay for somebody's scrapbook are still photos. it would justify sum payments, but they weren't as direct as the national enquirer and in terms of what it's become i mean, it is a shadow of its former self in terms of readership and in terms of do you think that they, do you think it will continue i mean, that's that is so hard to say. i feel a great deal of sadness over the way pecker came forward and ju
there's no people surrounding karen mcdougal? yes, there's no question for exclusivity when you're a weekly publication and you need to hold someone from speaking to another media organization for a week's time, you're going to put them under some type of exclusivity. it could be a couple 100 dollars, it could be several thousands of dollars. i mean, we operated no differently. i mean, we were bold about the fact that we practice checkbook journalism and certainly there were individuals who...
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mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be funny to hear. no, no. >> it's humiliating for sure. >> obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday. here's what he said this morning. >> i want to start by wishing my life were you happy birthday? >> i should be with her, but i'm the courthouse for rnc. >> so far. >> i'll be going there this evening absolutely. >> case furnishes out with this horrible unconstitutional okay now, you also posted a two-minute video on social media for her birthday, highlighting her time as first lady, and that is what really stood out to you today's stephanie, how come you know, i rolled my eyes when he did that, it was it was so beyond inappropriate, but yet so donald trump that on the way into a trial where they are t
mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be funny to hear. no, no. >> it's humiliating for sure. >> obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday....
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she confirmed contacts were saved on the company's computer system for karen mcdougal and stormy daniels, and prosecutors say both women were shopping stories of affairs with mr. trump ahead of the 2016 election , encounters that he denies. at the heart of the case, $130,000 payment that michael cohen made to daniels so she would not go public, and how prosecutors say that payment was disguised. she testified that even though she no longer works for the trump organization, the company is paying her legal bills. the jury also heard from a former banker and first republic bank employee who helped to facilitate the payment , but the day began with the defense team seeking to undercut testimony of david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, and a key witness for prosecutors , testifying at length about how he helped to silence people who could have hurt mr. trump's election chances. trump's lawyers sought to raise questions about david memory and motive. david pecker was defined at one point, saying "i've been truthful to the best of my recollection ." the tabloid mogul also
she confirmed contacts were saved on the company's computer system for karen mcdougal and stormy daniels, and prosecutors say both women were shopping stories of affairs with mr. trump ahead of the 2016 election , encounters that he denies. at the heart of the case, $130,000 payment that michael cohen made to daniels so she would not go public, and how prosecutors say that payment was disguised. she testified that even though she no longer works for the trump organization, the company is paying...
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mcdougal and stormy daniels were standard operating procedure. the second witness, donald trump's former executive assistant, monograph, provided testimony that she entered karen mcdougal's and stormy daniels contact information to the trump organization database. third, we had gary ferro, former manager at first republic bank, which prosecutors say michael: used to obtain a $130,000 home equity loan which michael cohen later funneled to stormy daniels through a shell company. friday, he authenticated bank records which prosecutors showed to jurors. that testimony will continue in trial resumes tuesday morning. prosecutors are using his testimony to authenticate documents related to the transaction. that testimony continues when the trial resumes tuesday morning. judge merchan announced a gag order hearing will take place thursday, to hear new arguments about all of the alleged violations that donald trump has committed this week. leaving off our discussion, we were in the courtroom and will be every day of the trial. a fellow at security and the
mcdougal and stormy daniels were standard operating procedure. the second witness, donald trump's former executive assistant, monograph, provided testimony that she entered karen mcdougal's and stormy daniels contact information to the trump organization database. third, we had gary ferro, former manager at first republic bank, which prosecutors say michael: used to obtain a $130,000 home equity loan which michael cohen later funneled to stormy daniels through a shell company. friday, he...
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and karen mcdougal story. so then trump's lawyer saying confronting with him some notes that an fbi agent had taken after an interview, david pecker gave to them. and in those fbi notes the notes say the david pecker didn't recall any gratitude from donald trump's, so he was challenging on on that asking him about that david pecker says i know what i remember. this is going back to 2018. i didn't recall back from what i'm saying here is that during the fbi investigation, i know what i said yesterday happens, so i can't reconcile what the fbi interview was. if someone made a mistake or not beauvais says, so you can't reconcile because what you said yesterday is inconsistent with what's in this report, correct? pecker says yes, but i wouldn't be responsible for this report, but they said i understand. so you're suggesting that the fbi made a mistake here. pecker said, i know what the truth is. i'm not i can't state what the woods here why this was written, this way. i know exactly what was sent to me so interest
and karen mcdougal story. so then trump's lawyer saying confronting with him some notes that an fbi agent had taken after an interview, david pecker gave to them. and in those fbi notes the notes say the david pecker didn't recall any gratitude from donald trump's, so he was challenging on on that asking him about that david pecker says i know what i remember. this is going back to 2018. i didn't recall back from what i'm saying here is that during the fbi investigation, i know what i said...
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trump asked about karen mcdougal situation and thanked him for it. comey spoke out about all of this. take a listen. ou >> i was alone with the president of the united states. or the president-elect soon to be president. i was honestly concerned he might lie about the nature of our meeting so i thought it important to document. >> what we are learning here and what is so striking, nobody knew comey was going to come back up. is how in that one meeting, there were allegedly at least two different violations. one federal that comey was talking about. the president-elect was talking up his tabloid deal. now at the center of the trial. you can see on that screen there, so, a lot we are learning and this is just the first week of testimony. we'll be right back. of testim. we'll be right back. after advil: let's dive in! but...what about your back? it's fineeeeeeee! [splash] before advil: advil dual action fights pain two ways. advil targets pain at the source, acetaminophen blocks pain signals. advil dual action. business. it's not a nine-to-five proposit
trump asked about karen mcdougal situation and thanked him for it. comey spoke out about all of this. take a listen. ou >> i was alone with the president of the united states. or the president-elect soon to be president. i was honestly concerned he might lie about the nature of our meeting so i thought it important to document. >> what we are learning here and what is so striking, nobody knew comey was going to come back up. is how in that one meeting, there were allegedly at least...
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she also confirmed that he kept contact information for karen mcdougal and for stormy daniels who's said she saw at trump tower and assumed that she was being considered for celebrity apprentice from the transcript, am i correct that prior to starmer, stormy daniels coming up to the office at trump tower, you recall hearing president trump discuss whether stormy daniels would be a good contested answer? i vaguely the recall hearing him say that she was at one at one of the people who may be an interesting contestant on that show and then last step today you had michael cohen's former banker, gary farro, a connect the dots kind of witness said that cohen coordinated with him to try to create an account for an llc that cohen would use to pay stormy daniels at 130,000 bucks. >> now from the transcripts, they tell you what the new account would be four answer the same for real estate and did he express any type of urgency and opening the account answer every time moke michael cohen spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this is one of those times answer, this is one of those times. let'
she also confirmed that he kept contact information for karen mcdougal and for stormy daniels who's said she saw at trump tower and assumed that she was being considered for celebrity apprentice from the transcript, am i correct that prior to starmer, stormy daniels coming up to the office at trump tower, you recall hearing president trump discuss whether stormy daniels would be a good contested answer? i vaguely the recall hearing him say that she was at one at one of the people who may be an...
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rhona graff confirming contacts were saved on the company's computer system for karen mcdougal and >>>, an apparent reference to stormy daniels. prosecutors say both women were shopping stories of with mr. trump ahead of the 2016 election, encounters he denies. at the heart of the case, a $130,000.00 payment michael cohen made to daniels so she wouldn't go public and how prosecutors say that payment was disguised. but, rhona graff said no light on that, testifying even though she no longer works for the trump organization, the company is in her legal bills. the jury also hearing from gary farro, a former banker at first republic bank, who helped facilitate the payment from michael cohen to daniels. the day began with the defense team seeking to undercut the testimony of david pecker, the former publisher of "the national enquirer", and a key witness for prosecutors, testifying at length about how he helped simon's people who could have hurt esther trumps election sentence. mr. trumps lawyer sought to raise questions about david memory and motives on cross- examination. david pecker, d
rhona graff confirming contacts were saved on the company's computer system for karen mcdougal and >>>, an apparent reference to stormy daniels. prosecutors say both women were shopping stories of with mr. trump ahead of the 2016 election, encounters he denies. at the heart of the case, a $130,000.00 payment michael cohen made to daniels so she wouldn't go public and how prosecutors say that payment was disguised. but, rhona graff said no light on that, testifying even though she no...
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pecker was that your purpose and locking up the karen mcdougal story to influence the election. this is laura's point about repetition. again he says pecker says, yes. so cyclists, if i understand you correctly, running stories that praise mr. trump appealed to your readership. packers says yes, they did what they were doing here was suppressing these stories that appeal to the rigueur ship in a way that later on in this, he does say this was actually against our interest because we could have made a ton of money on this story but chose not to because it was in our interest to help out donald. >> how does that play marcus? >> well, i think it plays well, honestly, for the for the government's case, when we go to the reputation of, your going through these themes like instead of being the national enquirer where i'm going to post these trump stories. i'm going to keep it because i wanted to win the election and that's really important for proven up in the misdemeanor to the felony sayyed this false business records claims, and i don't know. i've heard a lot of commentators say th
pecker was that your purpose and locking up the karen mcdougal story to influence the election. this is laura's point about repetition. again he says pecker says, yes. so cyclists, if i understand you correctly, running stories that praise mr. trump appealed to your readership. packers says yes, they did what they were doing here was suppressing these stories that appeal to the rigueur ship in a way that later on in this, he does say this was actually against our interest because we could have...
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the contact information for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. why is that on the trump organization database? that will come into play later. we are starting to see the custodial records behind this byzantine way of funneling $130,000 in hush money to stormy daniels through a shell company and a lawyer and we are getting into the weeds on that and that is the jurors last impression. >> the issue with a story like this is that there is no question that it is very unusual how this $130,000 was handled, how these things happen, and some of that in itself is a violation of the way books have to be kept and records have to be kept. what is the challenge for the prosecution? they will probably be able to demonstrate that effectively, but ultimately having the jurors believe that this was in fact in furtherance of a different thing and that was to conceal something from voters that might have made them make a different decision. how difficult is that? >> you put your finger right on it. as the week started there were two dramatic competing visions in t
the contact information for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. why is that on the trump organization database? that will come into play later. we are starting to see the custodial records behind this byzantine way of funneling $130,000 in hush money to stormy daniels through a shell company and a lawyer and we are getting into the weeds on that and that is the jurors last impression. >> the issue with a story like this is that there is no question that it is very unusual how this $130,000...
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story not to help donald trump, but to help karen mcdougal. defense attorney emil bove. and you were very clear on cross-examination that ms. mcdougal did not want to publish that story, right? that is correct. bove, she wanted to promote her name and brand, correct? yes. she, karen mcdougal was illegitimate celebrity at that time, right? pecker, let me say this. did she meet the celebrity category at that time? no. there were reportedly audible chuckles in the courtroom after that happened. it was not what you would call a highlight moment for the defense. in fact, to be honest from my perspective almost none of it so far has seen all that great for donald trump. maybe you don't need a compelling narrative when the job is to get jurors to believe in reasonable doubt or maybe this is what is happening when you work with an impossible client and do a better job. what does a competent defense strategy look like in this trial? is it turns out, joining me now is andrew wiseman, and anna bello, a pleasure to have you both onset. first of all, i am
story not to help donald trump, but to help karen mcdougal. defense attorney emil bove. and you were very clear on cross-examination that ms. mcdougal did not want to publish that story, right? that is correct. bove, she wanted to promote her name and brand, correct? yes. she, karen mcdougal was illegitimate celebrity at that time, right? pecker, let me say this. did she meet the celebrity category at that time? no. there were reportedly audible chuckles in the courtroom after that happened. it...
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when i talked first about the agreement with karen mcdougal and ami. on cross, there is an attempt to say, well, lawyers negotiated this, even in the opening, this was blessed by lawyers. to give the jury the impression that lawyers said this is okay so donald trump must've thought it was okay. by the way, an objection that got sustained because you can't make that argument. he has no advice of counsel or presence of counsel. >> ruled out in pretrial motions. >>. now you have this agreement. the agreement, the word campaign doesn't show up once, right ? this agreement with karen mcdougal is for promotional opportunities, for her to be on the cover of the magazine, for her to go straight articles. and, he never on redirect, it was so effective from the state because they are like campaign doesn't come up anywhere. when you talked to your attorney, ami general counsel, you never mentioned michael cohen, you never mentioned the campaign, you never mentioned you were trying to help once the election. there's not but, this looks like a standard agreement fo
when i talked first about the agreement with karen mcdougal and ami. on cross, there is an attempt to say, well, lawyers negotiated this, even in the opening, this was blessed by lawyers. to give the jury the impression that lawyers said this is okay so donald trump must've thought it was okay. by the way, an objection that got sustained because you can't make that argument. he has no advice of counsel or presence of counsel. >> ruled out in pretrial motions. >>. now you have this...
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but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she didn't give prosecutors some of the admissions they wanted. they were trying to establish trump had a business reason to have stormy in his rolodex, in particular, he was looking at her as a plausible candidate for the celebrity apprentice. she wouldn't necessarily go there. she said yeah, i have a vague recollection based on some office chatter that she was talked about as an interesting candidate. but never did she say i heard it directly from trump. i overheard trump talking about her. rather, she saw her once in the reception area of the business offices at
but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she...
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he was paying money for the karen mcdougal scheme but at some point they said, you we're done being the bank. we are no longer sort of your bank for paying off these people in the caching kill& that explains why it is that michael cohen had to take out this home equity loan that we were hearing about just as the testimony was ending today and explain that difference. now, there's why it is that the national enquirer wasn't paying for this third and final scheme with respect to stormy daniels, but it had to be paid for by michael cohen. so i think that is a very important new detail that we heard that helped flesh out the scheme that we, the basics of which we knew about your book breaks down the very colorful cast of characters in this specific case, but not necessarily trump's assisted rhona graff and michael cohen's banker, gary farro. these lower profile voices set up the record keeping in the accounting that are clearly crucial to this overall case. but how to prosecutors make those rather dry details that we were hearing? very compelling for the jury not every witness in a trial is
he was paying money for the karen mcdougal scheme but at some point they said, you we're done being the bank. we are no longer sort of your bank for paying off these people in the caching kill& that explains why it is that michael cohen had to take out this home equity loan that we were hearing about just as the testimony was ending today and explain that difference. now, there's why it is that the national enquirer wasn't paying for this third and final scheme with respect to stormy...
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after they left, trump asked about the karen mcdougal situation and thanked him for it. comey spoke out about all this. take a listen. >> i was alone with the president of the united states. or the president-elect, soon to be president. i was honestly concerned he might lie about the nature of our meeting so i thought it really important to document. >> he did document that meeting. it was one of the many things he told congress and later investigators about. what we're learning here and what's so striking because you never know what you're going to learn at trial, nobody knew comey would come back up, is how in that one meeting there were allegedly at least two different violations, one federal that comey was talking about and then the reason it got brought up here, because the then president elect was also talking up his tabloid deal that's now at the center of a trial over whether or not he broke campaign finance laws. you can see on the screen other people in the room. so a lot that we're learning and this is just the first week of testimony. we'll be right back. to
after they left, trump asked about the karen mcdougal situation and thanked him for it. comey spoke out about all this. take a listen. >> i was alone with the president of the united states. or the president-elect, soon to be president. i was honestly concerned he might lie about the nature of our meeting so i thought it really important to document. >> he did document that meeting. it was one of the many things he told congress and later investigators about. what we're learning...
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mcdougal google's silence being bought for $150,000. that would have been and i forget if i don't know if it was the prosecution or mr. packer, but tabloid gold was the term that was used because people who read the national enquirer would have bought a lot of copies of it to read the story about donald j. trump, and 1998 play of the year pecker was the first witness on the stand for four days what do you know having researched this so much for your book and for the article about karen mcdougal, what do you know about david pecker and his relationship with donald trump that the jury did not here well, one thing is that it was a wider, deeper relationship than is being admitted into this case. there was a safe that contained a lot of materials about trump those materials moved locations several times over the course of disk becoming an electoral issue. there was a list that i was shown by a senior ami source of trump's stories, not all of them terribly consequential. some of them were his feud with rosie o'donnell, but some of them were
mcdougal google's silence being bought for $150,000. that would have been and i forget if i don't know if it was the prosecution or mr. packer, but tabloid gold was the term that was used because people who read the national enquirer would have bought a lot of copies of it to read the story about donald j. trump, and 1998 play of the year pecker was the first witness on the stand for four days what do you know having researched this so much for your book and for the article about karen...
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who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution has put in a few things about he's a challenging kind of client for that bank guy. pecker thinks he exaggerates. so the jury, i'm sure, is very curious to see this guy. and i think the da's main task, they have laid the tracks well, but they know that cohen is coming. their main task is between hicks, between pecker, and then the paperwork is to corroborate every single hole so at the end of the day, they can get up and say, look, michael cohen, first of all, you can believe him for these reasons, but even if you don't, every single piece. but i bet bac
who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution...
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deal and just to remind folks, the karen mcdougal deal, this was a playboy playmate who alleged having a ten to 11 month relationship with donald trump. she had a story and what happened was that the tabloid magnate david pecker in ami, his company hired her. i gave her $150,000 to write a column for a different magazine in their end-to-end prior, i think it was health or health and fitness or something like that. she never wrote anything. she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david pecker had an election attorney look at this. this deal was going on. >> i think right before the 2016 election as well. yeah. well, it the implication would be that there was no actual election law violation as a result of these types of deals. right. so he has a lawyer ticket over. apparently the lawyer blessed it. right. and the deal with stormy daniels is strictly shuffle actually very, very similar, right? so that's sort of the implication. i don't think it actually is that potent of an observation. i don't i doubt we're going to hear from that lawyer in the course of this trial, which would be
deal and just to remind folks, the karen mcdougal deal, this was a playboy playmate who alleged having a ten to 11 month relationship with donald trump. she had a story and what happened was that the tabloid magnate david pecker in ami, his company hired her. i gave her $150,000 to write a column for a different magazine in their end-to-end prior, i think it was health or health and fitness or something like that. she never wrote anything. she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david...
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mcdougall story that he does believe that he violated federal election law so we had three different witnesses take the stand so far today right now we are going over the history of this banker gary pharaoh from first public bank they're asking about his dealings with michael cohen we will keep you updated minute buy minute and we send it back to you. >> we know you will thank you and we expect to see the former president shortly we are watching for that so what are the big takeaways from today's test money with us now the former assistant u.s. attorney and fox news contributor and mccarthy and former deputy assistant andy dupree thank you so much for joining us we do await the departure of the former president possibly any moment now but we have yet to see on this particular day it be adjourned so anti- to you first you have been watching every minute of this what has struck you so far today? >> the last part of the report we just heard i think is the most important part which is that the judge is obviously allowing the state to argue or to introduce evidence of the state of mind of
mcdougall story that he does believe that he violated federal election law so we had three different witnesses take the stand so far today right now we are going over the history of this banker gary pharaoh from first public bank they're asking about his dealings with michael cohen we will keep you updated minute buy minute and we send it back to you. >> we know you will thank you and we expect to see the former president shortly we are watching for that so what are the big takeaways from...
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mcdougall and stormy daniels the karen mcdougall information includes addresses old addresses phone numbers the stormy daniels contact that former president trump had was just her phone number so all of this is unfolding just now and prior to that david packer on the stand where lawyers for president trump had it one more opportunity to ask him any questions they asked him about a conciliation agreement between american media and the federal election commission the he said he did not thank you was doing anything wrong in 2016 but he did say earlier today that he thinks he violated federal election law in his handling of the karen mcdougall story packer also asked if he thinks trump cares about his family and pecker said yes which is notable because remember yesterday he said he never spoke to trump about his family in handling the stories and that he believed the motivation was campaign related prior to that line of questioning the da office at another opportunity to question him, joshua stein glass and pecker said no, he has told the truth to the best of his ability he went through
mcdougall and stormy daniels the karen mcdougall information includes addresses old addresses phone numbers the stormy daniels contact that former president trump had was just her phone number so all of this is unfolding just now and prior to that david packer on the stand where lawyers for president trump had it one more opportunity to ask him any questions they asked him about a conciliation agreement between american media and the federal election commission the he said he did not thank you...
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karen mcdougal not only physical addresses but also phone numbers, and then a cell phone number for, quote, stormy. and this is the most significant here is that she said that she had, quote, vague recollection that stormy daniels who she knew was an adult film star, she has a, quote, vague recollection about her appearing at one point before the 2016 elections inside of the trump tower offices. what exactly does that mean? it is not clear. but she is currently answering questions here from the prosecution she is also confirming contacts that she was the assistant to donald trump, somebody who just almost always with him at trump tower was able to confirm the records that she was keeping on his behalf as well as documents. already they are having her verify e-mails between her and the executive assistant in 2017 to donald trump at the white house helping her essentially transition with somebody to serving in the formal capacity inside the white house. this is notable that she is confirming that she did keep documents and phone numbers as well as an address for karen mcdougal and phon
karen mcdougal not only physical addresses but also phone numbers, and then a cell phone number for, quote, stormy. and this is the most significant here is that she said that she had, quote, vague recollection that stormy daniels who she knew was an adult film star, she has a, quote, vague recollection about her appearing at one point before the 2016 elections inside of the trump tower offices. what exactly does that mean? it is not clear. but she is currently answering questions here from the...
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there is a chance that karen mcdougal could take the stand here. so you have been watching all of this, katie, what are your thoughts? at this point. to go i am of course always looking at the political side of all of this. there was an interesting poll that came out yesterday saying even if trump were convicted in the specific case, 62% of people say it would not affect their vote. 15% of people say that it would encourage them to vote for him if he were to be convicted. than about 20% of people that say invite and encourage them not to vote for him. so while we are all watching this the american people are paying attention to this very specific case. a lot of people have argued that president trump is going to be able on the campaign trail as he has to say i am a victim of this but i think the broader argument as he could say democrats are using the justice system to go after their political opponents by all of the analysis we have heard by our excellent legal analyst so far in this case, they don't yet have evidence trump knew about these paymen
there is a chance that karen mcdougal could take the stand here. so you have been watching all of this, katie, what are your thoughts? at this point. to go i am of course always looking at the political side of all of this. there was an interesting poll that came out yesterday saying even if trump were convicted in the specific case, 62% of people say it would not affect their vote. 15% of people say that it would encourage them to vote for him if he were to be convicted. than about 20% of...
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but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to start with you because you're a defense attorney and you're new to this table. it's a challenge, right, no matter how many times the defense keeps going back and back and back to david pecker, trying to show this wasn't about the campaign, which is what you did, this is standard operating procedure, they said that over and over and over again yesterday. let me give you one of the later pieces of back and forth, and this is steinglass trying to, again, disprove that bove had just done, the defense attorney. how many, meaning of these stories, did you coordinate with a presidential candidate for the benefit o
but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to...
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but on the stand he revealed the president did not want to buy karen mcdougal's story telling him not to purchase it saying such scandalous stories always get out anyway and pecker said he never dealt with president trump on it directly but with his lawyer, michael cohen, when negotiating with mcdougall. pecker said he asked about lots of stories about celebrities including quashing an alleged affair of arnold schwarzenegger, tiger woods, and emmanuel ran mia among others. so when mcdougall came knocking to be paid to pecker said it was another routine celebrity sex scandal that happened to touch on his pal donald trump. we also got a preview of the trump defense strategy to attack the credibility of his former close aide and lawyer michael cohen expected to be there prosecution's star witness in a couple of weeks. trump's lawyer asked pecker all about michael cohen suggesting he is "prone to exaggeration" and he said you cannot trust anything michael cohen says as he raised that issue prosecutors objected to that. so far there has been no direct evidence the former president was actu
but on the stand he revealed the president did not want to buy karen mcdougal's story telling him not to purchase it saying such scandalous stories always get out anyway and pecker said he never dealt with president trump on it directly but with his lawyer, michael cohen, when negotiating with mcdougall. pecker said he asked about lots of stories about celebrities including quashing an alleged affair of arnold schwarzenegger, tiger woods, and emmanuel ran mia among others. so when mcdougall...
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that's largely about karen mcdougal. there's a passing reference to stormy daniels in the story, but that is, that is a story that was published in the aftermath of access hollywood right before the election that was really back here, mcdougal now, the prosecutor is getting back into the notion of stormy daniels, and that is why so much of david pecker's testimony is about mcdougal or the doorman because that's what ami was involved with. i actually the stormy daniels thing, as we know, pecker said he wanted no part of that. is magazine is at walmart and that will look so good or what have you. and then this is on michael cohen and donald trump dissolve. and so they want to i guess the prosecutors now, if you look here, pecker says of daniel, sorry, that he wasn't going to print it or buy it or be associated with they wanted him to reassess sir that this issue, stormy daniels, which is what all the paperwork in this case is about those payments. that squarely in donald trump's lap via michael cohen were standing by to ge
that's largely about karen mcdougal. there's a passing reference to stormy daniels in the story, but that is, that is a story that was published in the aftermath of access hollywood right before the election that was really back here, mcdougal now, the prosecutor is getting back into the notion of stormy daniels, and that is why so much of david pecker's testimony is about mcdougal or the doorman because that's what ami was involved with. i actually the stormy daniels thing, as we know, pecker...
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that the real intent of it was to buy karen mcdougal's silence. that is really important because this trial will come down to was there a crime concealed, and that's what we're all looking for, and they were trying to say, well, hang on, that wasn't a crime what happened, she did some stuff, and she got paid. i thought that, to me, was really important and on redirect, the government's lawyers came back in and kept asking pecker about it, and he kept saying over and over, sure, she did some stuff, but the real purpose of that was to silence her, and in fact, he ended up paying a fine to the federal election commission for that payment for -- because a corporation got involved in an election when they shouldn't have. >> one point when bove, kristy greenberg, was really it seemed again -- i'm reading the document. that's why i'm asking you folks who were actually in there, when bove was talking to pecker and challenging his interpretation of some of the things that happened, it ended essentially with pecker saying, you know, i'm trying to tell the t
that the real intent of it was to buy karen mcdougal's silence. that is really important because this trial will come down to was there a crime concealed, and that's what we're all looking for, and they were trying to say, well, hang on, that wasn't a crime what happened, she did some stuff, and she got paid. i thought that, to me, was really important and on redirect, the government's lawyers came back in and kept asking pecker about it, and he kept saying over and over, sure, she did some...
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pecker, that your purpose in lob -- locking up the karen mcdougal story is to influence the election? that's trying to bring it back to the connection to the elections since during cross-examination he was certainly acknowledging he had a longstanding relationship with the tabloid and that there were years and years before the campaign when they were both promoting trump's interests and covering up embarrassing stories. >> the prosecution has to do everything that he can to bring it back to -- it makes this case a felony, that donald trump conspired to promote his election by unlawful means. if they allow the defense to create reasonable doubt in that one juror, this was business as usual, this is what donald trump did with pecker, even before the election, this is what they do, where is the illegalness in this? the prosecution -- this is the first witness. we have a long way to go. in their summation, the prosecutors have to connect all the dots and explain to this jury why they have proven that donald trump concealed a crime when he falsified the business records. if they don't prov
pecker, that your purpose in lob -- locking up the karen mcdougal story is to influence the election? that's trying to bring it back to the connection to the elections since during cross-examination he was certainly acknowledging he had a longstanding relationship with the tabloid and that there were years and years before the campaign when they were both promoting trump's interests and covering up embarrassing stories. >> the prosecution has to do everything that he can to bring it back...
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>> that david pecker was killed in the catch and kill stories including karen mcdougal and other catch and kill stories, that he was at meetings when these were discussed, but when it came to stormy daniels, he backed out, for a reason that actually was, you know, really silly in that he was never reimbursed or never paid back and he didn't want to get involved with a porn star according to his own testimony because of contracts he had with walmart. that's why the people are calling him. what the defense is trying to do in cross examination is create separation. okay, there may have been this karen mcdougal arrangement there may have been this 2015 meeting, there may have been this catch and kill with a doorman, but you were not involved in the whole stormy daniels saga, so therefore you don't have valuable information about that. look, there are not a lot of options for cross examination. i've been thinking about it entirely during his direct testimony. where would the defense go? and they can only go to the classics, his ability to remember, his moative in that he has an agreement or
>> that david pecker was killed in the catch and kill stories including karen mcdougal and other catch and kill stories, that he was at meetings when these were discussed, but when it came to stormy daniels, he backed out, for a reason that actually was, you know, really silly in that he was never reimbursed or never paid back and he didn't want to get involved with a porn star according to his own testimony because of contracts he had with walmart. that's why the people are calling him....
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he bought the rights to karen mcdougal's claim that she had had a 10-month long affair with trump. he also testified that trump did not want that purchase to go through. that's a direct conflict with and contradiction of alvin bragg's whole theory that trump orchestrated the alleged election interference scheme to help his presidential prospects. pecker told the jury he told trump that mcdougal's story should be taken off the market. he said that trump told him he doesn't buy stories because trump told him they always get out. pecker then pushed trump so trump said he would talk to michael cohen. there was no direct order from trump to pecker to buy the story and no demand the shut mcdougal up to help protect trump's campaign. pecker said in a later phone call he told him it was mcdougal who did not want her story to come out and signed the contract to restart her career to let her write articles and appear in pecker's other publications and how ami, america media incorporated did just that. they published help tip coll amends and exercise columns and put her on the cover of men's
he bought the rights to karen mcdougal's claim that she had had a 10-month long affair with trump. he also testified that trump did not want that purchase to go through. that's a direct conflict with and contradiction of alvin bragg's whole theory that trump orchestrated the alleged election interference scheme to help his presidential prospects. pecker told the jury he told trump that mcdougal's story should be taken off the market. he said that trump told him he doesn't buy stories because...
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vaughn, trump's lawyer has been asking pecker about his negotiations with karen mcdougal. what are they getting at? >> reporter: this is all part of the effort here from the defense team to make the case to the jury that this was a long-standing practice on the part of the "national enquirer" to buy up stories and workshop them, make sure to see whether they were true or not, but also to put out other negative stories about other celebrities or politicians medical record to help boost sales because they are a company that is trying to drive publications sales and make money, and when it comes specifically to karen mcdougal, there is an exchange here where emil bove, donald trump's attorney asks her, quote, when you first learned about this, you understand ms. mcdougal did not want to publish. what she wanted was to restart her career, and ami could help her, to which david pecker responded, yes. what they are trying to lay out is that david pecker was not initially engaging with karen mcdougal in an effort to, you know, keep her from going public because she never intended
vaughn, trump's lawyer has been asking pecker about his negotiations with karen mcdougal. what are they getting at? >> reporter: this is all part of the effort here from the defense team to make the case to the jury that this was a long-standing practice on the part of the "national enquirer" to buy up stories and workshop them, make sure to see whether they were true or not, but also to put out other negative stories about other celebrities or politicians medical record to help...
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trump wanted to talk about karen mcdougal. how's our girl doing? i want to thank you for handling the mcdougal situation. months later mcdougal appeared on television. pecker said trump called him to complain. i thought you had and we had an agreement with karen mcdougal that she can't give interviews. pecker said top white house aides hope hicks and sara huckabee sanders called in, too. both said it was a good idea for the enquirer to extend mcdougal's contract. defense portrayed these kinds of arrangements as routines, standard operating procedure for a tabloid. under cross-examination pecker testified he paid to spike a story about rom emanual during his run for mayor of chicago and strong armed tiger woods into appearing in one of his fitness magazines by using an unflattering story as leverage. >> it was breath taking. amazing testimony. >> reporter: the defense argues trump wanted to bury stories to protect his family but pecker testified otherwise. once trump started running for president did he ever say anything that indicated that he was c
trump wanted to talk about karen mcdougal. how's our girl doing? i want to thank you for handling the mcdougal situation. months later mcdougal appeared on television. pecker said trump called him to complain. i thought you had and we had an agreement with karen mcdougal that she can't give interviews. pecker said top white house aides hope hicks and sara huckabee sanders called in, too. both said it was a good idea for the enquirer to extend mcdougal's contract. defense portrayed these kinds...
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and was asking him, how's karen doing referring to karen mcdougal? >> what trump's team has been trying to do today, and it may seem in the weeds, but it's important it is to undermine what they were saying about the mcdougal agreement, saying actually she did benefit from it because she had these columns published by ami publications that had her name on it to have benefited her career. they're arguing they're saying that they believe they misled michael cohen on whether that agreement with karen mcdougal is bullet-proof. they're basically trying to undermine that. this is all this big cover up and beauvais is asking pecker about that testimony. you were just talking about yesterday, when pecker said trump thanked him for the doorman's story, kristen, you talk to trump sources all day long. what have you been hearing from them as they watch by the way? because obviously there are no cameras in the courtroom. my impression from some trump people as they're watching what we put on the screen and what we've put on cnn.com, beauvais, tip pecker, quote,
and was asking him, how's karen doing referring to karen mcdougal? >> what trump's team has been trying to do today, and it may seem in the weeds, but it's important it is to undermine what they were saying about the mcdougal agreement, saying actually she did benefit from it because she had these columns published by ami publications that had her name on it to have benefited her career. they're arguing they're saying that they believe they misled michael cohen on whether that agreement...
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today defense attorney for the former president will try and show that buying karen mcdougal's story was routine. he will continue his cross examination of david pecker to try to demolish alvin bragg's case against the former president. pecker has taken the stand now day four of his testimony. he said he still considers him a friend of trump's and testified about the catch and kill deal to protect the former president running as a candidate in 2016. he said he and trump for years had swapped salacious stories and tips and killed those stories in the "national enquirer" for decades. he bought stories to kill about alleged affairs from arnold schwarzenegger and tiger woods and others. when karen mcdougal wanted to get paid for her story it was business to buy that and kill it, too, he said. under cross examination trump's lawyer tried to shake pecker's memory asking how many meetings has he had with prosecutors? pecker, i don't have my calendar in front of me. it's hard to remember the dates of these things even when they hap end just a few months ago? pecker told the jury after he was
today defense attorney for the former president will try and show that buying karen mcdougal's story was routine. he will continue his cross examination of david pecker to try to demolish alvin bragg's case against the former president. pecker has taken the stand now day four of his testimony. he said he still considers him a friend of trump's and testified about the catch and kill deal to protect the former president running as a candidate in 2016. he said he and trump for years had swapped...