then you got stevenson, you got johnson, you got a whole different dynamic there against, nixon. and so i just give the credit in the world to these folks who you'll read about in the book, hopefully some you are familiar with, of course, pat lucey and philip nash among them, ivan benjamin, the mayor of madison. but a lot of the folks live in wisconsin, a journalist from milwaukee. there's a great story. i'll very briefly share it. it's one of my favorites. and we want to share the whole tonight. but there's a the state architect at the time named carol yassky. he wasn't a big supporter, but he had this incredible moment where kennedy's in the same hotel when the state architects are having their big dinner. and carol yassky was kind of the emcee for the night. and he here is by way of the mayor i've been in that kennedy's in the hotel chrissy a quick hello to the architects and he says well sure bring them on down here. so here comes jfk very regal jackie's there and he's about to introduce john f kennedy and he goes, ladies and gentlemen, i'm very excited to introduce you to th