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troops to afghanistan. the pulitzer prize winners inside account a discourse the issues and conflicts among several of the obama administration's key players. mr. woodward appeared briefly on c-span's "washington journal." the program is 45 minutes. >> host: and on this friday morning the "washington journal" is pleased to welcome bob woodward of the "washington post" here to talk with you about his latest book about presidential leadership at a time of war and it's called "obama's wars." mr. woodward, thanks for being here guessed that thank you. >> host: i watch your chart rose together and as i was telling you, i want to start a conversation with your very last thought on that program. i will play for our audience and pick up the conversation from there. let's listen in. >> right here is we are on thin ice, and that not enough has been done to clarify and set the direction of the war, which will not -- it's not just going to define in part the obama presidency your it's going to define where this country
troops to afghanistan. the pulitzer prize winners inside account a discourse the issues and conflicts among several of the obama administration's key players. mr. woodward appeared briefly on c-span's "washington journal." the program is 45 minutes. >> host: and on this friday morning the "washington journal" is pleased to welcome bob woodward of the "washington post" here to talk with you about his latest book about presidential leadership at a time of war...
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to discuss afghanistan after the u.s. midterm elections i'm joined by kelly lagos in washington she's an analyst with antiwar dot com in philadelphia we go to justin quinn he's an award winning journalist and in dubai we cross the dina hum not a professor at ziad university and another member of our cross talk team you know in the hunger justin if i can go to you first i haven't seen too many people actually talk about the issue we have a triumphant victory for many tea party candidates closely aligned with the republican party obviously and they didn't talk much about foreign policy during the campaign now they're going to be inaugurated in january what do you think speculation because we haven't heard much from the tea partiers themselves and the republican party actually what and let's focus on afghanistan how are they going to affect obama if at all are they going to make you know the republicans are going to say look you know in the house we have the majority we don't want you to stick to any timetable like you've wa
to discuss afghanistan after the u.s. midterm elections i'm joined by kelly lagos in washington she's an analyst with antiwar dot com in philadelphia we go to justin quinn he's an award winning journalist and in dubai we cross the dina hum not a professor at ziad university and another member of our cross talk team you know in the hunger justin if i can go to you first i haven't seen too many people actually talk about the issue we have a triumphant victory for many tea party candidates closely...
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no representation of al-qaeda even left in afghanistan. >> it's not about how many members are in afghanistan. there's in fantasy land, this idea that folks think that we can just leave and if we do, things will get better or al-qaeda's not there anymore so they won't come back. they'll come back. we've seen this before. either commit now and get it down in a strategy the president has laid forward, or pass this problem to the next generation. >> it's like ground hog day. brian, what are we missing? >> i think one thing we're missing and you've talked about this, we've talked about this, the simple fact that 3,000 americans is the simple fact is that 3,000 americans were killed on 9/11. we're inst afghanistan because that. the previous administration didn't get the job done. it actually distracted country by going into an unnecessary war in iraq and now we're actually got to get bin laden and this administration the obama administration's committed more resources in doing that and rather than being passive like the bush administration in pakistan, we actually are much more aggressive there an
no representation of al-qaeda even left in afghanistan. >> it's not about how many members are in afghanistan. there's in fantasy land, this idea that folks think that we can just leave and if we do, things will get better or al-qaeda's not there anymore so they won't come back. they'll come back. we've seen this before. either commit now and get it down in a strategy the president has laid forward, or pass this problem to the next generation. >> it's like ground hog day. brian,...
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in afghanistan when the military can and asked for more troops he gave them more troops. when they asked for more after that he complained about being asked for more troops and gave them more troops. we will see what happens if general petraeus comes in and asks metaphorically for a feared bite at the apple as july approaches and request for more troops it will be for more time. i think that will be tough. but i would argue that one of the affects of this election we just had, and the new calendar that leads to a presidential election in 2012 will be -- what you might call the real polarization of american foreign policy. there is now in the next 23 months every incentive for republican critics of the president's foreign policy and there are plenty of them out there for plenty of good reason to sharpen those critiques. reasons for substitutes and political, and i think we are going to see that in two or three areas. one of them will clearly be the most important decision that's already on the calendar and that is the decision in afghanistan. well president obama decide to
in afghanistan when the military can and asked for more troops he gave them more troops. when they asked for more after that he complained about being asked for more troops and gave them more troops. we will see what happens if general petraeus comes in and asks metaphorically for a feared bite at the apple as july approaches and request for more troops it will be for more time. i think that will be tough. but i would argue that one of the affects of this election we just had, and the new...
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because the security in afghanistan the stability of afghanistan is not only for afghanistan it took effect disability and security of the region including russia so wonderful are a product of our foreign policy to fight terrorism and extremism and stability of afghanistan in the region is a vision of cooperation because the fight against terrorism and extremism is not only individual afghanistan it is a regional issue so if you cannot find a solution in addition to a solution for it we'll be in deep trouble because that will continue until long time sir you told the u.n. general assembly and i quote you to complement our efforts towards eliminating poppy production who wish to see greater action to counter smuggling of precursors into our country and to reduce demand and consumption of drugs in other countries as of today over two and a half million russians are addicted to afghan heroin this is where mr why has your administration and your allies failed to tackle the poppy production first of all the poppy production in afghanistan have to result of thirty years of war and lawlessn
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not afghanistan. vice president biden makes a compelling series of arguments that we should focus on pakistan, we have enough force, enough intelligence capability, and control of the air over afghanistan that the taliban cannot and will not come back. >>host: there was a lot of discussion in washington about your comments about hillary clinton and joe biden on the next ticket. you know what intrigues people. with all of the coverage in the book, were you surprised that how much attention and blowback about the consequences of the next presidential race? >> guest: you know, it's reported in the book that one of her advisers, mark pin told her, look, it maybe if 2012, obama is in trouble. he needs to put you, hillary clinton, on the vice presidential ticket. quite -- it's being kicked around. look, it's politics. and it you look at the numbers, hillary clinton has strength with voter groups, workers, seniors, latinos, and women, and obama may need them. the white house is right, they are not talking ab
not afghanistan. vice president biden makes a compelling series of arguments that we should focus on pakistan, we have enough force, enough intelligence capability, and control of the air over afghanistan that the taliban cannot and will not come back. >>host: there was a lot of discussion in washington about your comments about hillary clinton and joe biden on the next ticket. you know what intrigues people. with all of the coverage in the book, were you surprised that how much attention...
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kabul, afghanistan. where she navigates the afghan justice system, defending foreigners accused of crimes. you know, when i heard your story the first thing i wanted to say, what's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this? you've heard that before. >> i have heard that before. >> what's the answer? >> the answer is i'm just trying to help out the legal system in afghanistan. just trying to represent my clients and make sure they get justice here. >> even if it means visiting places like kabul's notorious prison to see them. she is currently appealing the murder conviction of south african contractor philip young, to afghanistan's supreme court. police admit he shot a man who first fired at him. still, he was sentenced to 16 years. >> in his court hearing he didn't have a translator. his attorney barely spoke up for him. there was no witnesses, no evidence that was presented. >> reporter: motley does not speak the local languages. with the help of interpreters, she has managed to teach herself the
kabul, afghanistan. where she navigates the afghan justice system, defending foreigners accused of crimes. you know, when i heard your story the first thing i wanted to say, what's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this? you've heard that before. >> i have heard that before. >> what's the answer? >> the answer is i'm just trying to help out the legal system in afghanistan. just trying to represent my clients and make sure they get justice here. >> even if it...
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the lines approves a new post cold war strategy in place where leaders have also discussed the war in afghanistan with twenty fourteen admitted the pullout date. also deadly legacy as the culprits come up covering troubles nuclear corneas band of applied scientists more about hidden dangers and they're going to need a new protection shield is going to fail to provide protection for at least one hundred days against the local great lakes local town streets and. down to russia considers stretching the law to get planes all committed to substance to the place and for minor crimes it's part of the country's ongoing criminal new words fulminating until relieved of the crown of the jails by introducing a punishment to the growing. up next the i don't want to show from our washington studios and as the nato summit continues i mean coast if the organization is actually needed of the twenty first century and why obama is the ego is making headlines in this but. we've got. the biggest issues good voice ceased to face with the news makers. welcome the alona show the real headlines with none of the mersey ta
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in afghanistan's future. but i repeat the future still must be determined by the afghan people. we do not tend to dictate its and would advise others to not dictate to them either. second, cashmere remains an outstanding problem between pakistan and india and it would be useful for everyone are all concerned if the issue of kashmir as result. the current situation in kashmir is one that merits attention. once again there are complaints of human rights violations and it's not in the interest of regional stability and we are in a different party of that when kashmir becomes unstable. they've been able to discuss outstanding issues including general kashmir so we do not say that we would exclusively see it. all subjects should be discussed and that is what they conceived. so it's something we need to talk about. third question was about the regional context. pakistan does have concern and has had concerns about the security and the have been defined in a certain context. we have had for walls. the wall of afghan
in afghanistan's future. but i repeat the future still must be determined by the afghan people. we do not tend to dictate its and would advise others to not dictate to them either. second, cashmere remains an outstanding problem between pakistan and india and it would be useful for everyone are all concerned if the issue of kashmir as result. the current situation in kashmir is one that merits attention. once again there are complaints of human rights violations and it's not in the interest of...
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tomorrow's main topic here is afghanistan. earlier it was clear president obama's focus is on the alliance's eventual next chantner the war. >> i look forward to working with our nato partners as we move toward a new phase, a transition to afghan responsibility that begins in 2011, with afghan forces taking the lead for security across afghanistan by 2014. >> but with the afghan war now in its tenth year there's war fatigue among nato nations egg tear wind down their involvement. back in washington, vice president biden explained the exit strategy from his perspective. >> 2014 is a date everyone has agreed upon, nato as well as the afghanis, the drop-dead date. that doesn't mean we'll have anywhere near 100,000 troops in 2013. >> the u.s. is sending in more firepower short-term, though. fox has confirmed a company of 17 tanks used in iraq is being sent to helmand province to provide rapid and pry cries power to expedite the fight there. part of completing the eventual transition involves a greater nato commitment to providing
tomorrow's main topic here is afghanistan. earlier it was clear president obama's focus is on the alliance's eventual next chantner the war. >> i look forward to working with our nato partners as we move toward a new phase, a transition to afghan responsibility that begins in 2011, with afghan forces taking the lead for security across afghanistan by 2014. >> but with the afghan war now in its tenth year there's war fatigue among nato nations egg tear wind down their involvement....
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in afghanistan. so why do you think the military in particular is so optimistic they can achieve a successful outcome? doesn't beg for more assessment? >> it remains in any realistic assessment phenomenally difficult task. the task we're engaged in in afghanistan. some of the fact is you quite rightly described, nevertheless, all of those factors are being addressed at one way or another. the build up of the afghan national security forces is very substantial, as you know, and as you will have seen on your visit to afghanistan. the afghan national army is not 144,000, 10,000 ahead of where they were meant to be at the time. the afghan national police is stronger than was anticipated now. the attrition rate in terms of people leaving these sources is diminishing. the legitimacy of government and operation of government and a province like helmand seems more widely accepted that it was a year ago, or two years ago. so progress is being made in many of these parameters. even cooperation of the countries
in afghanistan. so why do you think the military in particular is so optimistic they can achieve a successful outcome? doesn't beg for more assessment? >> it remains in any realistic assessment phenomenally difficult task. the task we're engaged in in afghanistan. some of the fact is you quite rightly described, nevertheless, all of those factors are being addressed at one way or another. the build up of the afghan national security forces is very substantial, as you know, and as you will...
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actions in afghanistan and iraq they showed civilians killed by american forces though this was just another huge batch of classified files linked by the whistle blowing web site the wiki leaks are definitely causing a lot of american and for the obama administration they're trying to sort of play this down in obama's case just just they get more he walked out on a reporter who asked about the we factor of state hillary clinton is now doing all the damage control work sort of sort of here's what she said i want to make clear that our official foreign policy is not set through these messages but here in washington our policy is a matter of public record as reflected in our statements and our actions around the world many countries that were mentioned in those files were kind of restraint in their comments including russia. is obliged it was fun to read sure but in actual policies we prefer to base our decisions on our partners concrete actions we're going to practice this approach in the future. meanwhile obama ordered to tighten measures to safeguard classified information but we can
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russian operation against drugs in afghanistan. yes to what is the afghan in reaction to such operations joint russian. u.s. operations against drugs in afghanistan and to further such operations. in your bill as he's going to go in all this wasn't an american russian operation that's a good group with this was an effort against spitz taken first of all by a free but not gonna stand special forces and we must be supported by u.s. troops and russia and that operations you would need to do so the figure in this was all the represented lied to employees of the federal drug control agency that were present onsite as observers from girls we only helped together information on that on the whereabouts of those five laboratories and so i would call it the three sided operations. you're with us because that's where the prevalence of afghanistan special forces i would also like to add that our corporations on the antidrug front will continue your program we used a little bit of buzz with them solicit is very important to create an internatio
russian operation against drugs in afghanistan. yes to what is the afghan in reaction to such operations joint russian. u.s. operations against drugs in afghanistan and to further such operations. in your bill as he's going to go in all this wasn't an american russian operation that's a good group with this was an effort against spitz taken first of all by a free but not gonna stand special forces and we must be supported by u.s. troops and russia and that operations you would need to do so the...
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republicans are not going to buck him on afghanistan and iraq. not many of them. >> chris: like kennedy -- >> who is going to challenge him? [ overtalk ] >> the area of bipartisan cooperation. it would be moment of bipartisanship. my sense about it is that obviously he had trouble with the left. every president does. right or left. democrat or republican. that's not a big deal. >> chris: thank you, panel. see you next week. don't forget to check out panel plus where the group picks up with the discussion foxnewssunday.com. we will post the video before noon eastern time. up next, the power player of the week. [ male announcer ] how can rice production in india affect wheat output in the u.s., the shipping industry in norway, and the rubber industry in south america? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex global economy. it's just one reason over 75% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment objectives, risks, fees,
republicans are not going to buck him on afghanistan and iraq. not many of them. >> chris: like kennedy -- >> who is going to challenge him? [ overtalk ] >> the area of bipartisan cooperation. it would be moment of bipartisanship. my sense about it is that obviously he had trouble with the left. every president does. right or left. democrat or republican. that's not a big deal. >> chris: thank you, panel. see you next week. don't forget to check out panel plus where the...
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against the war in iraq and afghanistan. people who don't want the king of saudi arabia to lie to his people should go out and do something about it. but here in the united states, we're trying to respect the views of other governments and people from the guest, which your two guests clearly are, have long said the united states shouldn't impose our will on other countries and our culture and our attitudes. the king of saudi arabia, the president of yemen, this is their culture. this is their way they want to do business. we have to respect that. i can assure you that the u.s. government would prefer to be able to acknowledge publicly the extent of its cooperation with saudi arabia and yemen, but those governments don't want to. and so if mr. assange or dan ellsberg or mr. hastings want to go report on something happening in saudi arabia, let them do that. the united states government has to protect our own people. and one of the ways, not the only way, but one of the ways it does that is to make arrangements with foreign go
against the war in iraq and afghanistan. people who don't want the king of saudi arabia to lie to his people should go out and do something about it. but here in the united states, we're trying to respect the views of other governments and people from the guest, which your two guests clearly are, have long said the united states shouldn't impose our will on other countries and our culture and our attitudes. the king of saudi arabia, the president of yemen, this is their culture. this is their...
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led war in afghanistan which of course it's entering its tenth year now costing billions of dollars a week and the russian russians help in terms of the supply routes helicopters etc is immensely important here so i think you hit the nail on the head there when you said that nato stressed trying to figure out what the heck it is in two days did. age now of course one of the things that everyone is expecting is for a review here of the strategy for the war in afghanistan and we've heard a lot perceiving this that two thousand and fourteen is going to be set as a deadline to withdraw combat troops and then yesterday before the summit even began we are ready heard nato officials saying well in fact it could go from two thousand and fifteen to beyond so i mean what do we expect any type of concrete plan or deadline set. well i'm sure they're going to give us some pseudo concrete deadlines and throw around a bunch of dates twenty fourteen the end of two thousand and fourteen but i mean you have to remember that these are real life conflicts on the ground and they're not there is they're or
led war in afghanistan which of course it's entering its tenth year now costing billions of dollars a week and the russian russians help in terms of the supply routes helicopters etc is immensely important here so i think you hit the nail on the head there when you said that nato stressed trying to figure out what the heck it is in two days did. age now of course one of the things that everyone is expecting is for a review here of the strategy for the war in afghanistan and we've heard a lot...
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soldiers they're occupying afghanistan the people in afghanistan are rising up there's resistance just as there was during vietnam it looks like a losing cause which it is and many of the other nato countries all over europe those populations they don't want to go along they don't want their governments that be accomplices for the u.s. war in afghanistan so the obama administration is twisting arms in lisbon it's putting pressure on the different european governments not to abandon the american government as it continues its war in afghanistan will join this pepe escobar told r.t. that the current a nato summit is about promoting pentagon doctrine around the world in effect making the in the audience the united nations. they are discussing the so-called strategic concept in lisbon this means we keep our nuclear weapons between two hundred three hundred american owned plus two hundred from france presse two hundred twenty five from britain we built this huge dome the missile dome which might protect us because it hasn't been tested yet against nonexistent iranian missiles and existant n
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you think you'd be rich when afghanistan. and yet here's a general the plan to end and obama is like two cares. now, i would suggest one preset obama may be indifferent to winning if he doesn't want to win. what if obama feels, in the anticolonial framework, that iraq and afghanistan are words of colonial population. so this is not about fighting terrorism. these are about committing terrorism, the rogue elephant, gravity can. his goal is not to win, but to figure out a way to get out. just a few days ago, a few of "the new york times" community the news article, karzai, prime minister of afghanistan entered into negotiations with the taliban and. the taliban. and i thought when i first read that, these afghans, you just can't trust them. leave them for allowing me against get to go shoot the enemy. these are radical muslims trying to make a comeback in afghanistan. fighting a war against them for years. as horrible karzai is not betraying america by negotiating with the taliban. password will produce to the maritimes, look a
you think you'd be rich when afghanistan. and yet here's a general the plan to end and obama is like two cares. now, i would suggest one preset obama may be indifferent to winning if he doesn't want to win. what if obama feels, in the anticolonial framework, that iraq and afghanistan are words of colonial population. so this is not about fighting terrorism. these are about committing terrorism, the rogue elephant, gravity can. his goal is not to win, but to figure out a way to get out. just a...
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soldiers they're occupying afghanistan the people in afghanistan are rising up there's resistance just as there was during vietnam it looks like a losing cause which it is and many of the other nato countries all over europe those populations they don't want to go along they don't want their governments that be accomplices for the u.s. war in afghanistan so the obama administration is twisting arms in lisbon it's putting pressure on the different european governments not to abandon the american government as it continues its war in afghanistan. now that said ahead the vicious ideology that refuses to die. it was not just a few people who want to be punished but. mass killing sixty five years after your vote so you think the answer to the crimes against humanity we ask why some europeans are no nazi. selling democracy abroad it doesn't come cheap hard up american taxpayers are finding out their cost the u.s. is spending billions of dollars to finance foreign politicians and policies which fall on its side. fence is jihan hoffa's expects a. great party but who's picking up the tab appare
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we are not after afghanistan. we are not after iraq. we are still incredibly engaged in both countries. what is astonishing to me is i don't think either iraq or afghanistan has played a role in these elections. i don't think anybody has voted on the basis of what's going on in afghanistan or what's going on in iraq? >> it's been one of the stunning things that's not been talked about in the war. when you look back at 2006 and how important that was in the midterm elections then. >> it will be, i suspect next time around because president obama is on the horns of an extraordinarily difficult dilemma. he has on the one hand described afghanistan as the necessary war. and on the other hand, he has suggested that next summer we are going to begin the process of disengaging, without explaining how it is that that war of necessity has become less -- than it was before? >> david petrais, his senior commander has carved some doubt on that deadline and is saying now more recently it might take a little longer. >> not just a little bit. he's quo
we are not after afghanistan. we are not after iraq. we are still incredibly engaged in both countries. what is astonishing to me is i don't think either iraq or afghanistan has played a role in these elections. i don't think anybody has voted on the basis of what's going on in afghanistan or what's going on in iraq? >> it's been one of the stunning things that's not been talked about in the war. when you look back at 2006 and how important that was in the midterm elections then. >>...
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peace activists have been demonstrating for almost a decade against its involvement in the afghanistan war but the protests are falling on deaf ears. he is coming to you live from moscow welcome to the program russia's president dmitri medvedev this has warned of a new arms race unless russia and nato compromise on a joint missile system addressing the two houses of the russian parliament today he also underlined the importance of intensifying the fight against widespread corruption one of the many obstacles on the path to modernization and he said now it gives us a review of the presidential speech. that easy d.m. or i seascape figured out c d b d h me to get you the state of the nation a perfect way to make a statement about how to protect the interests of a state russia sees missile defense as the number one priority on its global agenda not for today but for the future it is racially distillate here in the next decade we have the following alternatives either we reach an agreement on missile defense and create a full blown mechanism for cooperation war if we fail to have a construc
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and a graceful and credible exit from afghanistan. >> no question afghanistan has damaged nato. when nato took on afghanistan in 2005, it talked of the importance as a test of the new nato and by and large it failed the test. >> nato is drawing up plans for step-by-step handover of security controls to afghanistan's own forces. operations to be over by the end of 2014. but even nato officials say the date is not guaranteed. security at the venue is tight with peace protesters do to demonstrate. awaiting them are two days of talks about the future of this alliance, at a time of shrinking defense budgets and growing challenges. key to nato's own credibility, a face saving end to the war in afghanistan. bbc news, lisbon. as always, a lot has been agreed in advance. for years they have been discussing the new strategic concept. certainly there are going to be some disagreements. what will western leaders hope to get out of this? there is pressure on leaders like barack obama. joining me to the does the summit is the bureau chief in paris for "the new york times." you wrote an intere
and a graceful and credible exit from afghanistan. >> no question afghanistan has damaged nato. when nato took on afghanistan in 2005, it talked of the importance as a test of the new nato and by and large it failed the test. >> nato is drawing up plans for step-by-step handover of security controls to afghanistan's own forces. operations to be over by the end of 2014. but even nato officials say the date is not guaranteed. security at the venue is tight with peace protesters do to...
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if he stays in afghanistan? howard. >> the to quote david axelrod who i interviewed he was very strong to send a message to the base we're sticking to the timetable. whoever those unofficial administration sources were he was saying it's not -- chris: still 12. >> >> gloria. >> still 12. and i think the base is going to make him stick to it. >> it's important they're talking conditions. they're reinforcing that possibility of staying longer. chris: so 14. >> i think we're going to officially pull out. and unofficially stay in like we always do. every place. chris: i think they're leaning toward 2014. thanks to howard fineman gloria borger, kelly o'donnell and clarence page. that's the show. thanks for watching. the black widow spider's severe bite can cause coma and even death. the african black mamba can kill a man with one bite. but there's an even deadlier predator
if he stays in afghanistan? howard. >> the to quote david axelrod who i interviewed he was very strong to send a message to the base we're sticking to the timetable. whoever those unofficial administration sources were he was saying it's not -- chris: still 12. >> >> gloria. >> still 12. and i think the base is going to make him stick to it. >> it's important they're talking conditions. they're reinforcing that possibility of staying longer. chris: so 14. >>...
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is from the afghanistan of the '70s. i actually did the did afghanistan first in 1967. my father was ambassador there. i spent 3.5 months traveling across the country. i still a lot of the place -- i saw a lot of the place. the trouble system of the '70s has been shattered by war. the tribal leaders have lost the cohesion they had in these cases. in 2005, all of afghanistan was one tried able to exercise and keep all the election of members. that is one measure of how fractured tribal leadership has become. tribal leaders have lost power to commanders, what we call war lords. we have had a role in helping that in some cases. that does not mean it is not possible to develop power. we have to be very careful and have a lot of understanding or a lot of room for things to grow somewhat naturally in afghanistan and not assume that wean engineer it. by the way, i agree that tibet is something that looks like that passed e '70s. people did not expect as much from government. they have seen things they never solved in the '70s.
is from the afghanistan of the '70s. i actually did the did afghanistan first in 1967. my father was ambassador there. i spent 3.5 months traveling across the country. i still a lot of the place -- i saw a lot of the place. the trouble system of the '70s has been shattered by war. the tribal leaders have lost the cohesion they had in these cases. in 2005, all of afghanistan was one tried able to exercise and keep all the election of members. that is one measure of how fractured tribal...
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they cannot tell us why we're in afghanistan. we know there are fewer than 100 al qaeda operatives there. what are we doing there? nation building in afghanistan while our own nation is crumbling? we're spending $2.8 billion a week in afghanistan. propping up a corrupt regime. with no end in sight. despite all these fake dates that we're being told -- >> larry: so, why wasn't it debated? >> well, it wasn't debated because as the other panelists have said we have over 60% of americans who don't believe we should be in afghanistan. and yet there is a kind of consensus in washington that somehow we need to stay there. there is also beyond left and right consensus outside washington among people who believe we have no place there. it's another example of perverted priorities. you know -- >> larry: why didn't somebody run for congress, ben -- hold it arianna. we get the point. why didn't someone running -- run against the war? >> i think stephen nailed it exactly. people just don't want to talk about it period. they don't want to talk
they cannot tell us why we're in afghanistan. we know there are fewer than 100 al qaeda operatives there. what are we doing there? nation building in afghanistan while our own nation is crumbling? we're spending $2.8 billion a week in afghanistan. propping up a corrupt regime. with no end in sight. despite all these fake dates that we're being told -- >> larry: so, why wasn't it debated? >> well, it wasn't debated because as the other panelists have said we have over 60% of...
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back in the panel and start if afghanistan. steve? >> look, i think it's better for people like secretary of state clinton, like admiral mullen and secretary gates to talk about 2014 lather than talk about their commitment to get out in 2011 and begin the draw down. that is a positive development. but it doesn't matter unless they say it. we can't play the games or assume that people in the afghan villages are going to understand the change of the policy because of the nuance from the secretary of state. that doesn't work that way. only way it works is if they repudiate the deadline, president obama does it in a strong way. there hasn't been the presidential leadership that we have seen president obama use on other issues and healthcare and the economy. where is he making the case for this war that he says is crucial for the u.s. national security? he's not making the case. >> bret: dennis kucinich is going to offer amendment to funding and pull troops out. he said he will allow aements and the votes when the new congress gets in. it'
back in the panel and start if afghanistan. steve? >> look, i think it's better for people like secretary of state clinton, like admiral mullen and secretary gates to talk about 2014 lather than talk about their commitment to get out in 2011 and begin the draw down. that is a positive development. but it doesn't matter unless they say it. we can't play the games or assume that people in the afghan villages are going to understand the change of the policy because of the nuance from the...
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position in afghanistan. it is a nato mission, as you know, and so the countries there are very interested in the outcome and when security is going to be handed over to afghanistan forces. by the end of 2014, the afghan security forces, the goal is now to have them stand up on their own and have them take care of their own security, police and military. you remember, of course, the controversy coming and going, waxing and waning over the course of the last year ever since president obama announced his afghan strategy to have u.s. forces to begin to pull out by july of next year, of 2011. that's still the case, begin to pull out. the emphasis, also now the emphasis on this new end of 2014 and even now, i was just watching a press conference from lisbon before i came out here, nato officials are emphasizing that they won't leave afghanistan in the lurch if they are is now unable to take over that role. so a little ambiguity there. and on the s.t.a.r.t. treaty, president obama had a meeting with a lot of former
position in afghanistan. it is a nato mission, as you know, and so the countries there are very interested in the outcome and when security is going to be handed over to afghanistan forces. by the end of 2014, the afghan security forces, the goal is now to have them stand up on their own and have them take care of their own security, police and military. you remember, of course, the controversy coming and going, waxing and waning over the course of the last year ever since president obama...
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forces in afghanistan. in nato summit in lisbon, talking now about a 2014 deadline for transferring combat responsibilities to the afghan forces, i've also heard, is that an absolute date? >> yes, it is. >> absolute. >> yes, it is one everybody signed up to. >> all combat operations will be handed over to afghans at the end of 2014. >> i would describe it much like what we just went through in iraq where clearly they have the lead for their own security. we are then in some capacity in a training, advising and assist mode, which we would expect to be for some time, but in terms of combat operations they would have the lead. >> so you see post-2014 just like we see in iraq today? >> as best we can tell, absolutely. >> any more? >> any more? >> troops, operations, i mean i ask you because right now how many areas have even been transferred to afghan control? >> well, one of the things that happened -- one of the things that happened in lisbon was the commitment to start the transfer in the spring, and that wi
forces in afghanistan. in nato summit in lisbon, talking now about a 2014 deadline for transferring combat responsibilities to the afghan forces, i've also heard, is that an absolute date? >> yes, it is. >> absolute. >> yes, it is one everybody signed up to. >> all combat operations will be handed over to afghans at the end of 2014. >> i would describe it much like what we just went through in iraq where clearly they have the lead for their own security. we are...
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if he stays in afghanistan? howard. >> the to quote david axelrod who i interviewed he was very strong to send a message to the base we're sticking to the timetable. whoever those unofficial administration sources were, he was saying it's not -- chris: still 12. >> >> gloria. >> still 12. and i think the base is going to make him stick to it. >> it's important they're talking conditions. they're reinforcing that possibility of staying longer. chris: so 14. >> i think we're going to officially pull out. and unofficially stay in like we always do. every place. chris: i think they're leaning toward 2014. thanks to howard fineman, gloria borger, kelly o'donnell and clarence page. that's the sho
if he stays in afghanistan? howard. >> the to quote david axelrod who i interviewed he was very strong to send a message to the base we're sticking to the timetable. whoever those unofficial administration sources were, he was saying it's not -- chris: still 12. >> >> gloria. >> still 12. and i think the base is going to make him stick to it. >> it's important they're talking conditions. they're reinforcing that possibility of staying longer. chris: so 14. >>...
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war in afghanistan so the obama administration is twisting arms and lisbon is putting pressure on the different european governments now to abandon the american government as it continues its war in afghanistan well for more on the summit in this film when i joined live by dr agent pap's of policy bestie of kent. they so once russia's help in afghanistan and the missile defense we're now hearing but after so many years of battle rivalry why is it finally come to that. words come to two reasons one is of course the reset between the u.s. and russia under the leadership of president obama and president yet without that rapprochement at the bilateral level none of this would have been possible but the same time the europeans have been arguing for a long time behind the scenes that russia needs to be brought on board that nato can not function properly without stronger russian involvement out required a different attitude in moscow which was seen with president agenda but also a new openness on the part of all the nato partners and even countries traditionally more critical and perhaps ev
war in afghanistan so the obama administration is twisting arms and lisbon is putting pressure on the different european governments now to abandon the american government as it continues its war in afghanistan well for more on the summit in this film when i joined live by dr agent pap's of policy bestie of kent. they so once russia's help in afghanistan and the missile defense we're now hearing but after so many years of battle rivalry why is it finally come to that. words come to two reasons...
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afghanistan has always been governed by pashtuns, 55% of afghanistan. now, he w the situation early in 2002, where we could have changed policy, taken pashtuns on board and put a pashtun- dominated government in kabul. unfortunately, we did not do that. the environment was available. we failed to do that. and therefore, the country is governed by the minority, the biggest blunder with which we are persisting even out. now we are trying to talk to moderate taliban or taliman. what we should have done in 2002-273, from a position of strength, now we are trying to do from this position of weakness. that was the next bluer. and now we are in the pro cess of taking a decision whether to stay or quit. ladies and devin, this decisio has to be taken very carefully. -- ladies and gentlemen, this decision has to be taken very carefully. we cannot commit a fourth blunder. in afghanistan, a lot of people ask whether we can win. i would like, my reply is, we must not lose. even if the answer to win in maybe 50-50, but we must not lose. and let me say with 100% convi
afghanistan has always been governed by pashtuns, 55% of afghanistan. now, he w the situation early in 2002, where we could have changed policy, taken pashtuns on board and put a pashtun- dominated government in kabul. unfortunately, we did not do that. the environment was available. we failed to do that. and therefore, the country is governed by the minority, the biggest blunder with which we are persisting even out. now we are trying to talk to moderate taliban or taliman. what we should have...
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nbc news richard engel is live in afghanistan. the report now is that the pentagon is confirming it is sending heavily armored tanks into battle for the first time. what does that mean? >> well, it won't change the direction of the war, and, tamron, i am right on the flight line here. the military is sending in a company of tanks. they'll be going to southern afghanistan, to helman province. that is not a division of tanks. it is not going to alter the way the war is being fought. but it is a sign that instead of counter insurgency operations, hearts and minds operations, they intend to carry this much more aggressively. >> richard, what about the reports that as the u.s. and nato allies look at the strategy that the taliban is escalating in its intensity and aggression as well. >> and it's really important to keep this all in context with that very important announcement that the end of combat operations will come toward the end of 2014. right now american and nato troops are operating at a surge capacity. there are roughly 100,0
nbc news richard engel is live in afghanistan. the report now is that the pentagon is confirming it is sending heavily armored tanks into battle for the first time. what does that mean? >> well, it won't change the direction of the war, and, tamron, i am right on the flight line here. the military is sending in a company of tanks. they'll be going to southern afghanistan, to helman province. that is not a division of tanks. it is not going to alter the way the war is being fought. but it...
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afghanistan is a sovereign nation. president karzai believes that it is very important for us to help him with security and development issues over not just the next couple of years, but over the long term. that partnership is obviously a two-way street. so, my message to president karzai is, we have to be sensitive to his concerns and the concerns of the afghan people. we can't simply tell hem what's good for them. we have to listen and learn and be mindful of the fact that afghans ultimately make decisions about how they want to structure their governance. how they want to structure their justice system. how they want to approach economic development. on the other hand, if we are putting in big resources. if we are ponying up billions of dollars. if the expectation is that our troops are going to be there to help secure the countryside and ensure that president karzai can continue to build and develop his country, then he's got to also pay attention to our concerns as well. i don't think that's unreasonable. and i do
afghanistan is a sovereign nation. president karzai believes that it is very important for us to help him with security and development issues over not just the next couple of years, but over the long term. that partnership is obviously a two-way street. so, my message to president karzai is, we have to be sensitive to his concerns and the concerns of the afghan people. we can't simply tell hem what's good for them. we have to listen and learn and be mindful of the fact that afghans ultimately...
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in afghanistan. we facilitate that process. we think it is appropriate. >> you mean the u.k.? >> i mean the u.k., but unisys also has agreed to the policy and is in the same position. but it has to be, it has to be an afghan-led process. >> are they facilitating as well just we? >> they agree with our policy. >> that was not my question. >> he has said -- president karzai contact and provide practical assistance, and that in clue to the u.s. as well as other isaf members that. >> i that we're going to get a better answer than that. [inaudible] >> no, i guess you it's the same policy as we have. >> but insurance of contacts and what's being done to try to contact element within the insurgency of the taliban, is it the case that the u.s. is actively engaged in that process at this time? >> i think, i know we will have a private session later, mr. chairman -- [inaudible] >> i don't think it is right to go into public about any operational details of these matters. >> foreign secretary, i would like to a
in afghanistan. we facilitate that process. we think it is appropriate. >> you mean the u.k.? >> i mean the u.k., but unisys also has agreed to the policy and is in the same position. but it has to be, it has to be an afghan-led process. >> are they facilitating as well just we? >> they agree with our policy. >> that was not my question. >> he has said -- president karzai contact and provide practical assistance, and that in clue to the u.s. as well as other...