brett kavanaugh, sam alito and clarence thomas think it's unconstitutional. brett kavanaugh sounded outraged at its very existence, and that left the four women justices to clean up the mess with the great hypothetical you just played, some really searching questions from justice barrett about the line that trump's attorney was trying to draw here, but they are just four votes and at the end of the day, i think there are clearly at least five votes to prevent this trial from moving forward anytime soon. >> so, carol, part of the arguments today center on what is an official act, what is a not official act, what is core to the presidency, and what is not core to the presidency. in your coverage of january 6th, the lead up to january 6th and the aftermath of it, how did you view those arguments today? how did you hear that questioning? >> well, first i thought it was really interesting the way the very very experienced and perfectionist appellate counsel for the special counsel, mike breeben presented the way in which these things actually go down in trial. the