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it's not michael cohen. he's not one of those blockbuster witnesses but polo redoes noting earlier than he is critical because what is at the heart of this is not that donald trump paid hush money but porn star, it's how he did it and how it was labeled 20 paid michael cohen back on those internal records at the trump organization right. >> so that makes it really critical. hope hicks on friday was talking about denied, denied. denied. >> that's been the defense strategy in this trial, which is odd to me that might work for pr. >> i don't know if it does or not. that's your expertise, but in criminal trials, it does not. you have to be willing to concede certain things. so you keep your credibility. the jury is looking for which story makes more sense. so this witness is going to be important because as you say, that element about whether trump knew about the entries, the false entries is going to be the whole case. hey so the fact that he's fighting on other things like regarding stormy daniels and others i
it's not michael cohen. he's not one of those blockbuster witnesses but polo redoes noting earlier than he is critical because what is at the heart of this is not that donald trump paid hush money but porn star, it's how he did it and how it was labeled 20 paid michael cohen back on those internal records at the trump organization right. >> so that makes it really critical. hope hicks on friday was talking about denied, denied. denied. >> that's been the defense strategy in this...
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michael cohen? correct. >> so i'm all over that and i spoke to allen weisselberg about it when it comes time for the financing, which will be donald trump. >> listen, what financing? michael cohen will have to pay him something. donald trump pay with cash. michael cohen? no, no, no, no, no. i got it. donald trump. check. so cohen is saying that the reason he mentioned weisselberg is because trump had previously directed him to speak with allen weisselberg, the cfo, about getting the matter handled he'd already knew based on conversation with david pecker, which is why he mentioned the number 1501 more thing out. wait, just wait for the defense to pants to pounce on. >> i'm all over that. and i got that essential part of their of their case, whether we like it or not, is going to be the fact that that michael cohen was acting as an independent actor and going rogue and so on. now, again, you hear donald trump's voice here that undermines that argument a little bit, but merely cohen saying again and a
michael cohen? correct. >> so i'm all over that and i spoke to allen weisselberg about it when it comes time for the financing, which will be donald trump. >> listen, what financing? michael cohen will have to pay him something. donald trump pay with cash. michael cohen? no, no, no, no, no. i got it. donald trump. check. so cohen is saying that the reason he mentioned weisselberg is because trump had previously directed him to speak with allen weisselberg, the cfo, about getting the...
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so michael cohen michael cohen is now explaining his podcast. may a culpa he says he frequently discusses trump on the podcast, which he describes as being about news of the day. he wrote two books his first is disloyal, which is a memoir he says i wrote that while i was in prison, while you're in prison time management is very important. it helps the time go by quicker. his second book is revenge. he says it's about the weaponization of the justice department against a critic of the president so moments ago, we have a telling split screen in this wild election year, donald trump inside this manhattan courtroom president biden busy doing the business of being president and not on trial. let's get right to cnn's arlette saenz, who was at the white house. arlette, we just saw present now, biden delivering remarks on his jobs agenda, talking about american investment, tell us more. >> yeah, jake, president biden, just moments ago, announced that his administration would be imposing about $18 in tariffs on chinese imports over the next two years, it
so michael cohen michael cohen is now explaining his podcast. may a culpa he says he frequently discusses trump on the podcast, which he describes as being about news of the day. he wrote two books his first is disloyal, which is a memoir he says i wrote that while i was in prison, while you're in prison time management is very important. it helps the time go by quicker. his second book is revenge. he says it's about the weaponization of the justice department against a critic of the president...
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asked michael cohen, would you sometimes lie for trump and michael cohen said, yes, ma'am, i would. now, michael cohen took the jury through his early days with donald trump, how he first came to trump's attention, and he did things like renegotiating invoices, meaning refused to pay them for the most part dealing with media relations, calling people to try to get more favorable news coverage and then helping donald trump with his early on political ambitions. you hear michael cohen called the fixer. will this all is why now? there was a very important moment when donald trump decides he's going to run for president in 2015, and michael cohen testified that donald trump warranted at this point really important piece of testimony. donald trump said to michael cohen, according to cohen's testimony you know that when this comes out, meaning the announcement that he's running for office, just be prepared. there's going to be a lot of women coming forward and in the wake of that statement, there's this really important meeting, august 2015, and we heard about this before from prior witne
asked michael cohen, would you sometimes lie for trump and michael cohen said, yes, ma'am, i would. now, michael cohen took the jury through his early days with donald trump, how he first came to trump's attention, and he did things like renegotiating invoices, meaning refused to pay them for the most part dealing with media relations, calling people to try to get more favorable news coverage and then helping donald trump with his early on political ambitions. you hear michael cohen called the...
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cohen. >> what is michael cohen? what does he wanted more than anything in the war? for all per decades, the approval of donald chomping here to suggest that he's not even as important as stormy daniels and he won't even look at them. i'm a few things are likely to annoy michael cohen as much when you more than anyone that michael cohen is someone who actually does get under his skin. that is somebody who riles him up. he doesn't like talking about michael cohen at all because actually sitting in this courtroom staring at michael cohen, i'm not staring at me as his eyes closed those are reporting, but the fact that he has to listen to him, that is not comfortable for the former president. again, his lawyers i've asked him have begged him not to have any reaction to michael cohen because they believe that that will urge michael cohen on. and remember what they wanna do is actually get under michael cohen skin and hidden be the one reacting. >> yeah, right now, todd blanche is walking. michael cohen through positive st
cohen. >> what is michael cohen? what does he wanted more than anything in the war? for all per decades, the approval of donald chomping here to suggest that he's not even as important as stormy daniels and he won't even look at them. i'm a few things are likely to annoy michael cohen as much when you more than anyone that michael cohen is someone who actually does get under his skin. that is somebody who riles him up. he doesn't like talking about michael cohen at all because actually...
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michael cohen. michael cohen. michael i agree. >> or i think one of the points that you were trying to get at is whether or not the jury is going to say come on, this is really a crime? this is really or any of the, any of these 30 todd blanche just said it's as true right now as it was on april 22, he's he's referring to the fact that everybody so paying close attention and that is that donald trump is innocent. president trump is innocent. he did not commit any crimes and the district attorney has not met their burden of proof. >> the evidence is all in. he did not commit any crimes that district attorney has not met their burden of proof, period. >> the evidence is all blanks. mine says i mean and i'm guessing that after that, evidence should leave you wanting more, you should want and expect more than the testimony of michael cohen. >> yeah. >> this is this is all going to go along the same leinz, which is not only that they the prosecution, he's arguing didn't meet the burden burden of proof you should demand
michael cohen. michael cohen. michael i agree. >> or i think one of the points that you were trying to get at is whether or not the jury is going to say come on, this is really a crime? this is really or any of the, any of these 30 todd blanche just said it's as true right now as it was on april 22, he's he's referring to the fact that everybody so paying close attention and that is that donald trump is innocent. president trump is innocent. he did not commit any crimes and the district...
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dana or michael cohen? goes into that courtroom moments that's going to be no question. >> i'm not sure. david, i don't know about you were saying earlier that trump's gonna be able to hold it all and i'm not so sure about that when michael cohen is their face i got to go, jim, i think the big yeah the bigger question is, could michael cohen hold it in, right? i mean, michael cohen is not necessarily the most disciplined witness, and i think let's see let's see what his antics hold. i think he may do more harm for the prosecution than good all right. well, i'm getting accused of antics here, holding up the commercial break. i gotta go, but jury the jury is now out of the courtroom. they're taking a little break right now. donald trump's hush money trial winding through day 15 with critical building block witnesses. you're watching cnn special live coverage. stay right. are we ready? hi every weekday morning? >> cnn's five things has what you need to get going with your day is the five essential stories of t
dana or michael cohen? goes into that courtroom moments that's going to be no question. >> i'm not sure. david, i don't know about you were saying earlier that trump's gonna be able to hold it all and i'm not so sure about that when michael cohen is their face i got to go, jim, i think the big yeah the bigger question is, could michael cohen hold it in, right? i mean, michael cohen is not necessarily the most disciplined witness, and i think let's see let's see what his antics hold. i...
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cohen because michael cohen has been out there. he has been speaking in publicly and very critical of trump and saying these things that trump's team has argued, okay, he should be able to respond to this and karen, what they're raising right now is when trump spoke to the cameras outside of the courtroom on april 22, the moment that you just saw there trump was campaigning last night and i was listening to his remarks in michigan, i believe is where it was. and they're talking about how trump is able to speak outside the courtroom about michael cohen, who is expected to be a witness here and expected testified. trump was saying he can't talk about this case at all, but he was on camera talking about the case at a rally. he is allowed to talk about the case he just can't attack witnesses or the other prosecutors on alvin bragg's team that we can still dr. alvin bragg himself exactly the judge just says, look, you can talk about the case as much as you want. >> you could campaign mean as much as you want. just can't intimidate witne
cohen because michael cohen has been out there. he has been speaking in publicly and very critical of trump and saying these things that trump's team has argued, okay, he should be able to respond to this and karen, what they're raising right now is when trump spoke to the cameras outside of the courtroom on april 22, the moment that you just saw there trump was campaigning last night and i was listening to his remarks in michigan, i believe is where it was. and they're talking about how trump...
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let's michael cohen isn't very easy to show. michael cohen committed a crime given he spent time in prison. >> yeah, he pled to the federal offense, which is a little different than the falsifying documents, which is the state offense. >> the hilt say he committed a crime, so it won't be that hard. >> heard but you want to establish exactly how we committed the crime, which is through this financing and then tied donald trump right to that would you i think what stood out to me this week is the entire defense is starting to take shape, are starting to understand how they're going to present their defense. and it's largely through the people's witnesses other. than going on the attack and going on the offensive against the witnesses that have testified so far, there sort of embracing the facts but saying, yeah, these things happened. yeah, there was hush money paid, but we've been doing that that was being done for everybody. it wasn't had nothing to do with the election. this is just a business model and this is how it went. thi
let's michael cohen isn't very easy to show. michael cohen committed a crime given he spent time in prison. >> yeah, he pled to the federal offense, which is a little different than the falsifying documents, which is the state offense. >> the hilt say he committed a crime, so it won't be that hard. >> heard but you want to establish exactly how we committed the crime, which is through this financing and then tied donald trump right to that would you i think what stood out to...
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michael cohen. this is a b list witness who instead of helping of the defense and a marginal way instead just created the most dramatic moment we've seen. so far. this is not going to make or break the case, but it does appear to be a forest error for the defense. >> they could have ended on michael cohen acknowledging that he stole from the trump organization, but instead, we believe that robert costello's going to be the last witness. and instead of really contradicting michael cohen, he was kinda contradicting the himself at times during his testimony. >> well, look, you remember that michael cohen indirect was asked about robert costello and the reasons that he did not perhaps tell him everything that later came to light. and one of the reasons michael cohen basically gave is he didn't trust the guy. and now robert costello on the stand the jury saw some of it, not necessarily all of it, but gave them a reason, maybe not to trust him. oh, i can understand why michael cohen may not want to confid
michael cohen. this is a b list witness who instead of helping of the defense and a marginal way instead just created the most dramatic moment we've seen. so far. this is not going to make or break the case, but it does appear to be a forest error for the defense. >> they could have ended on michael cohen acknowledging that he stole from the trump organization, but instead, we believe that robert costello's going to be the last witness. and instead of really contradicting michael cohen,...
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it was michael cohen. right? the reason you have these falsified business records allegedly is because he wanted to have some invoice. you wanted to have some way of getting his money back, having paints or made, daniel's that's where you had the allegations of invoices for a false retainer and false legal services provided. so this is all part of the overall context to shou. this has happened before. someone else has gotten nancy this time it was cohen and this is what happen when you did not pay back and you falsified so it is i mean, we've heard the argument being made by some people that on the politics of this dana bash this is not going to have an impact. >> you have both democrats who are convinced of donald trump's invincibility and republicans who are convinced that this is all going to be seen as a partisan and which aren't thinking this is not going to have an effect, but there are also those who say reminding people of all this lurid behavior is not going to be positive for donald trump one way or the
it was michael cohen. right? the reason you have these falsified business records allegedly is because he wanted to have some invoice. you wanted to have some way of getting his money back, having paints or made, daniel's that's where you had the allegations of invoices for a false retainer and false legal services provided. so this is all part of the overall context to shou. this has happened before. someone else has gotten nancy this time it was cohen and this is what happen when you did not...
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so it was michael cohen. and so as i but unofficially, so i think it's really important that people but understand that people closest to the trump's are sometimes not made official for certain reasons there's the capability to do more as far as melania not being in the courtroom, i think that's saving again, we're back to the art of distraction. if they really, really think that during in the verdict, if that's going to really shine this darkness over the verdict and shine light on melania to take away from what's going on. i think that is the only possibility of her showing up ivanka she is down, no monthly payments fluorine. he's done plumbing work, he's refinished this beautiful nominee's certainly in this case. >> and david axelrod, let me start with you because something that's different here that we've seen transpire in the last 24 hours is the biden campaign wading into this something that they had stayed away from previously either not really commenting on it, or we're having only campaign aides make
so it was michael cohen. and so as i but unofficially, so i think it's really important that people but understand that people closest to the trump's are sometimes not made official for certain reasons there's the capability to do more as far as melania not being in the courtroom, i think that's saving again, we're back to the art of distraction. if they really, really think that during in the verdict, if that's going to really shine this darkness over the verdict and shine light on melania to...
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michael cohen's name. he criticized him hey downplayed the legal work that michael cohen had done for the former president. and as you see there, the prosecutors are saying these violations were made with knowledge and beyond and willful beyond a reasonable doubt, which basically means trump knew this gag order was in place. he knew what the gag order limited him from saying, and he still willfully violated it. there presidentially right now, making their argument to this, judge before the defense has a chance to argue to him, but there was one moment as this got underway gym where trump's attorneys came into the room that prosecutors came into the room. judge, took the bench and then those attorneys and the judge went into a side room. it's not clear to us yet what they were discussing, but trump was sitting alone at the defense table while that was happening. they have now returned to the room and they are going through this essentially asking the judge to find a way to make trump's stop violating this g
michael cohen's name. he criticized him hey downplayed the legal work that michael cohen had done for the former president. and as you see there, the prosecutors are saying these violations were made with knowledge and beyond and willful beyond a reasonable doubt, which basically means trump knew this gag order was in place. he knew what the gag order limited him from saying, and he still willfully violated it. there presidentially right now, making their argument to this, judge before the...
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it was about michael cohen in which he talked about how michael cohen with a liar. so you can see why former president might want that internet designed to get trump's attention in a way, paula and christian stay with me. we're going to sneak in a quick break. we have much more of our special coverage of the trump hush money trial after a quick break okay? >> yeah. let me nice going though. nothing like a little confidence boost to help ease you back into the dating scene. that includes having a smile. you feel good about fortunately, aspen dental specializes and dentures and implants made just for you and with flexible financing, you don't need to sacrifice quality work for price that fits your budget at $0 down plus 0% interest. if payday a full 18 months, helping our patients, but their best mile for it. it's one more way. aspen dental is in your corner thinking i'm thinking about her honeymoon, about africa so far hotter air balloon ride, swim with elephants, weight three, four to safari, great question. >> like everything takes a little planning or what the min
it was about michael cohen in which he talked about how michael cohen with a liar. so you can see why former president might want that internet designed to get trump's attention in a way, paula and christian stay with me. we're going to sneak in a quick break. we have much more of our special coverage of the trump hush money trial after a quick break okay? >> yeah. let me nice going though. nothing like a little confidence boost to help ease you back into the dating scene. that includes...
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michael cohen is not a wonderful individual. michael cohen is not liked by many people. michael cohen is what was it hope hicks said he's he's a fix-it guy. and assistant. he fixer in the sense that he breaks them and then he fixes them. and i don't think they minded that statement being out there, whether or not it's enough to get in front of what we know is coloring from the cross-examination is gonna be fascinating to watch play out. >> i also want to now paula, whether michael cohen really has the goods because we've all heard him talk about this case so often over the many the last many, many years. but does he have more than just his own word? what kind of proof can you bring to the table? >> so we know that he recorded a lot of xom conversations it's the jury's already heard one where they appear to be talking about a hush money payment to karen mcdougal, but to your point, a lot of this does fall on his recollection and his account of what exactly happened, because trump is very adept at not leaving a paper trail, which is why it's so remarkable in that he's he's
michael cohen is not a wonderful individual. michael cohen is not liked by many people. michael cohen is what was it hope hicks said he's he's a fix-it guy. and assistant. he fixer in the sense that he breaks them and then he fixes them. and i don't think they minded that statement being out there, whether or not it's enough to get in front of what we know is coloring from the cross-examination is gonna be fascinating to watch play out. >> i also want to now paula, whether michael cohen...
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cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does something like that expense, money, significant amount of money in that case, millions of dollars to produce something that could change people's opinions of the election to help their preferred candidate that was constitutionally protected, free speech. so that's that's what it's buying somebody silence. the same thing as free speech not free and it's not speech. >> it hasn't, it's an interesting question that should be tested. >> david says he called michael cohen because of the 2015 meeting he agreed to notify cone of anything he heard, quote
cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does...
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i mean, here's what michael cohen. here's what michael cohen said. despite george costanza, no, no, no. it was elaine. it was yeah, it was laying on yada. yada. yada? >> here's the direct testimony that the way michael cohen explained what happened because actually a girl that stands it was dating, but okay. sorry. michael cohen explain this whole thing, quote, that's what was owed and i didn't feel mr. trump deserve the difference. that's a lot different than i stole $60,000 from my boss on the transaction at the heart of this case. and by the way the fact that he was never charged with larceny is important because stealing $60,000 through fraud, which would be larceny in new york state, is more serious of a crime then falsifying business. >> it's just one of those instances where i'm really looking for forward to talking to our reporter or reporters who are in their to see. i understand. and i take your point, laura, about are all of you really about planning to the jury, but also being careful about reading too much into the reaction of the jury.
i mean, here's what michael cohen. here's what michael cohen said. despite george costanza, no, no, no. it was elaine. it was yeah, it was laying on yada. yada. yada? >> here's the direct testimony that the way michael cohen explained what happened because actually a girl that stands it was dating, but okay. sorry. michael cohen explain this whole thing, quote, that's what was owed and i didn't feel mr. trump deserve the difference. that's a lot different than i stole $60,000 from my boss...
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michael cohen. clearly, it's a stormy day. you're outside the courthouse, jake, it's also going to be so inside the courthouse because it's not just a strategy test of how they're going if you go after michael cohen, it's also whether or not they can please their client who is often had high and unrealistic, frankly, expectations for his legal team. and he has gone from braiding his legal team and private two praising them. he said two people that he thought todd blanche did a good job when he began cross-examining michael cohen on tuesday. that's despite how blanche got a scolding really from the judge after he made the first two questions to michael cohen about the attorneys rather than about the defendant himself. we don't expect him to try to repeat that strategy today, and instead we'll just be grilling michael cohen himself. i mean, this is awesome. a test of michael cohen and what his prosecution or what his witness value is going to be. but it's also a test of how trump views is legal team.
michael cohen. clearly, it's a stormy day. you're outside the courthouse, jake, it's also going to be so inside the courthouse because it's not just a strategy test of how they're going if you go after michael cohen, it's also whether or not they can please their client who is often had high and unrealistic, frankly, expectations for his legal team. and he has gone from braiding his legal team and private two praising them. he said two people that he thought todd blanche did a good job when he...
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, it would be michael cohen. yeah, so much more ahead if everyone can standby for me what judge juan merchan started court today by explaining to the former president that a gag order does not prevent him from testifying something that he has claimed. we're going to talk more about that. when are special coverage continues right up for this? >> we're here to get your side of the store affairs, bribery, prostitution. >> why do we keep it? ending up here you can't write this stuff. united states of scandal with jake tapper now streaming on macs life, diabetes. there's no slowing down each day is a unique blend of people to see and things to do that's why you choose glissando to help manage blood sugar response uniquely designed with carb steady glue, sirna, bring on the day, right now, you get a free foot locker sap. >> wait, just buy it foot login app and get one free just scan the qr code indiana promo code, fal pogo it only worked on not a saturday screen buddy, you still got a landline in your house. auto nauta
, it would be michael cohen. yeah, so much more ahead if everyone can standby for me what judge juan merchan started court today by explaining to the former president that a gag order does not prevent him from testifying something that he has claimed. we're going to talk more about that. when are special coverage continues right up for this? >> we're here to get your side of the store affairs, bribery, prostitution. >> why do we keep it? ending up here you can't write this stuff....
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cohen lies a lot and lied a lot michael cohen has prior convictions and michael cohen has a bias against the former president, like those things were all pretty well-establishe d and laid out. i think the most effective moment today, by far was playing the sound of michael cohen this podcast for the jury. they hadn't heard him sounding incredibly shrill and incredibly pointed about the former president in a way that this measured witness on stage who's done quite a good job, sort of keeping his cool. i think they haven't heard or seen that and far more than the particulars of any one lie he's told i think that was the moment that people thought, wait, wait a second. who is this guy that we've been hearing all this stuff about? >> how are we in the middle of talking about this 14-year-old business? elie, and how problematic is that for the prosecution? in this matters a lot, don't don't be distracted by the funny fact that michael cohen is getting into a war of texts with a 14-year-old, which is funny. >> but here's why it's really relevant part of this cross-examination was completely ex
cohen lies a lot and lied a lot michael cohen has prior convictions and michael cohen has a bias against the former president, like those things were all pretty well-establishe d and laid out. i think the most effective moment today, by far was playing the sound of michael cohen this podcast for the jury. they hadn't heard him sounding incredibly shrill and incredibly pointed about the former president in a way that this measured witness on stage who's done quite a good job, sort of keeping his...
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a byte about michael cohen and this is of michael cohen's credibility, this is going to be central to this case. >> all right. paula reid, thanks so much. it's bringing and david urban, he's a republican can strategist and former trump campaign adviser, david good to see you. so you, you worked on, i want to show this. first of all, a courtroom sketch that we're getting in right now, which shows donald trump and the courtroom in lovely pastel david, you worked on trump's 2016 campaign tell us what you think is important when it comes to the testimony of michael cohen >> so jake, i didn't know michael cohen at all during this time period whatsoever, but i do think that the things that they're discussing right now, the apologists alluded to in terms of his his his prior perjurious is going to be gonna be very important in contexts. i think it's important for people to remember. all this is alleged to have occurred rights, right? smack after the access hollywood tapes release. so if if people can remember the way back times that was a pretty tumultuous point in the campaign where this bi
a byte about michael cohen and this is of michael cohen's credibility, this is going to be central to this case. >> all right. paula reid, thanks so much. it's bringing and david urban, he's a republican can strategist and former trump campaign adviser, david good to see you. so you, you worked on, i want to show this. first of all, a courtroom sketch that we're getting in right now, which shows donald trump and the courtroom in lovely pastel david, you worked on trump's 2016 campaign...
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and that left michael cohen on an island and that's the way they're trying to separate michael cohen from the past. somebody who admittedly lied multiple times and defensive donald trump, but also in defense of himself to protect himself, to protect his family or protect him with his family. and then also didn't lie at various points. now they're trying to say, well, this is different because he was left out on an island and this was survival these down the truth now, it is interesting though, coming in in into this, we were told michael cohen had said, but also it had been very clear from the prosecution that they were michael cohen was crucial, but that they would prove it without him and as elie was saying, they didn't do that, no. >> you really can't do it. one thing that trump is really good about is not leaving a paper trail which this is why it's sort of ironic that we're here for what is effectively a paperwork crime falsifying business records without that paper trail is very difficult to prove a case like this beyond a reasonable doubt, you need first-hand accounts and mich
and that left michael cohen on an island and that's the way they're trying to separate michael cohen from the past. somebody who admittedly lied multiple times and defensive donald trump, but also in defense of himself to protect himself, to protect his family or protect him with his family. and then also didn't lie at various points. now they're trying to say, well, this is different because he was left out on an island and this was survival these down the truth now, it is interesting though,...
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michael cohen was acting on donald trump's behalf. but was michael cohen just telling trump? i got it. you don't worry yourself about the details or was michael saying to donald trump? okay. we're structuring it this way. we're going to say their attorney bernice fees and donald trump say, yeah. okay, great. those are the two different stories here. and i see we're getting some of the texts. davidson texan howard, i can't quote. i can't believe they are asking me to go back for another 25, meaning $25,000 the deal is accepted at 1:50 k can you do that? dylan howard, of course, worked at ami fire senior editor, the national enquirer? yes. >> there is a tape recording of donald trump talking to michael cohen about the, uh, hundred and $50,000 that mcdougal thing, you know? saying something to the effect of what's it going to cost 150. so i'm sure that'll be important in this guy tape is so important, it's clear that up probably later and you can look at that, dave, it's public. i think cnn broke the story. if i remember, it's on the internet and you can look at that tape and th
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michael cohen and pressure him. trump is leaning forward looking at the document on the screen in front of him. the document is the daniel settlement agreement from 2000 and 16, that trump's attorney nichols has put up on the screen. so trump's now leaning forward, looking at the settle settlement agreement from the screen in front of him judge, how long i mean, to your point, this doesn't really get to the underlying alleged which crime here, how long do you think? how much detail do you think they really are going to try to go into with stormy daniels? do you think they are going to go back to some of her testimony about the alleged sexual encounter well, they take contri if that's what they think will assist their case. >> but i think it could hurt get their case because there's a concept does all of the lawyers who are with you know, of what we call opening the door, they could be opening the door to on redirect a lot more detail about this encounter than the judge initially allowed them to bring in a concept in
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bringing michael cohen. and because all that hope hicks, i said up to now is he was sort of this mysterious guy, didn't know what he did. he was always around now she's bringing him directly into the response to these stories. i would hazard a guess that prosecutors have cross-check this with michael cohen's testimony to make sure they're not in conflict with when again, just to state the obvious she was officially on the campaign. yes. michael cohen was officially not on the campaign. >> right. and if you go back to the whole charge or the series of charges against donald trump, the crux of it is that this was an illegal well, first of all, that it was changing the records, but also about an illegal campaign contribution as hicks is testimony gets into the mcdougal questions. trump is sitting back in his chair with his eyes closed. jim. >> so back to the to the jared kushner. so jen schorn wasn't on the campaign neither. another outside adviser to the campaign. so they're trying to establish, okay? but ther
bringing michael cohen. and because all that hope hicks, i said up to now is he was sort of this mysterious guy, didn't know what he did. he was always around now she's bringing him directly into the response to these stories. i would hazard a guess that prosecutors have cross-check this with michael cohen's testimony to make sure they're not in conflict with when again, just to state the obvious she was officially on the campaign. yes. michael cohen was officially not on the campaign. >>...
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is that this idea that michael cohen has gone rogue, doesn't track just because michael cohen was always trying to do everything he possibly could please, and execute on whatever it was you see you soon as you've seen, this with, trump walking back into the courtroom after the brief recess they took about a 25-minute risa who didn't speak to cameras, then when he left at or just now either which is coming interesting an interesting choice. i just, i get a court of law and obviously, laura and you and your colleagues and others can speak to the exact he tells what they need to prove and the context of the case. but as i think about this kind of politically and holistically, in terms of the jury is they're going to have to make these way these things as well. >> is it plausible that michael cohen did this over the objection of donald trump? >> we really think he would do this objection of donald trial. >> if i find that really hard to believe. well, that's that's gonna be the prosecution has gotten how to meet their burden, throwing that michael cohen himself has not been able to yet artic
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it was written to michael cohen. and very clearly that it was not illegal retainer what fifth terrace off is making clear is donald trump had his hands and everything testifying just short while ago as two 11 15. any invoice over $10,000 had to be approved by donald trump when she approved and cut the chat or got the approved invoice and cupp check, she would hand it to run a graph. obviously, the longtime very close it's assistance at all jump who would take it into trump's office and trump would sign it. lets all of the checks that were coming out from his account, there's a stamps, so just them my hand, you want to know how she knew that he was signed? thank them by hand because they were done in a black sharpie, which anybody who covered the white house or who's dealt with foul trouble, or who's gotten a note from donald trump on an article they've written or anything of the kind of the course, the less over years knows he uses black sharpie. in fact, even trump's lawyers laughed at the idea, are at the testimony
it was written to michael cohen. and very clearly that it was not illegal retainer what fifth terrace off is making clear is donald trump had his hands and everything testifying just short while ago as two 11 15. any invoice over $10,000 had to be approved by donald trump when she approved and cut the chat or got the approved invoice and cupp check, she would hand it to run a graph. obviously, the longtime very close it's assistance at all jump who would take it into trump's office and trump...
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now i will say though michael cohen is different. i mean, i know michael cohen. i think we've all met him at various times. >> he can be persuasive, he can be likable, he can be charming now, i don't think when he gets on the stand, he's going to come across as an offensive personality to the jury, but it doesn't really matter so much. >> what michael cohen's like right now in 2024, the relevance is, what was he like back then in 2016? so they are doing the trump's team is doing a good job of pre, dirty gang up. michael coleman before even takes a stand, even setting aside what the pre michael cohen was like. they have gotten ten days almost like constant drumbeat of bad information about this individual that ostensibly they didn't have a lot of background with whatever they knew before what they know now is pretty bad. >> but well, you know that that donald trump used him as his fixer and that he decided not to bring him to washington. he wanted to be in the white house staff, maybe white house counsel, whatever he decided not to bring them to washington cnn nos
now i will say though michael cohen is different. i mean, i know michael cohen. i think we've all met him at various times. >> he can be persuasive, he can be likable, he can be charming now, i don't think when he gets on the stand, he's going to come across as an offensive personality to the jury, but it doesn't really matter so much. >> what michael cohen's like right now in 2024, the relevance is, what was he like back then in 2016? so they are doing the trump's team is doing a...
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it's the way that donald trump and michael cohen and others set up the repayment to michael cohen on the stormy daniels payoff. that is the crime here that that we'll get to that david pecker does not know about that. he wouldn't be in position to know about that, but he setting the stage for them and i will add one little thing to that. what is most newsworthy? i acknowledge is all of these details about the human element and the sayyed too, all of this, what is legally most relevant is probably the guy with the green eye shade who will come testify at some point about accounting practices then the trump organization about how they handled and maintained their records, what they did with them, and what they knew about what the purpose of what they were doing was. that ends up being about pecker, is that he refused to pay for stormy daniels karen mcdougal was one thing, but he didn't want to pay for stormy daniels, whether it was cushy was a porn star or whatever is he said, i'm not a bank. i'm not going to pay for stormy. so that takes you out of his bank account into donald trump's
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there we're going to hear more about that from michael cohen and again, if michael cohen's really the only one that ties all this together, he's got a lot of issues. i'm actually see what else they use other than michael go. >> but the other thing you let this go, if you're the defense, just don't fight it. don't object, don't because they knew this was coming. this is the central part part of the prosecution's case. well, let it go hundred percent. >> yeah. i mean, you don't because i think the more you kick and scream about it, the more you draw the jury's attention to it. they have other ways they can attack the credibility and the membrane is back to what you were saying about small ball at the end of the de, it's just there were these little inconsistency michael cohen is coming. >> we don't know what else is coming. i mean, let's just remember that landy davis, who was michael cohen's lawyer, has said that this case does not quote rise and fall on michael cohen's testimony that there is other evidence, but we haven't seen prosecutors are trying to answer the question for the jur
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michael cohen. does the judge instruct the jury that you can hold it against either party or both parties, that they were not called as witnesses. and finally, jessica and boris, the judge, will instruct the jury that donald trump has a right not to testify. they cannot use that against him in any way. >> that is our fifth amendment. >> again, that part will be uncontroversial, but really important to the judge's instructions. so what we're going to see this afternoon is crucial and it will set the table for next week when we finally get our jury into that backroom to deliberate and then turner verdict la. thanks so much for breaking that down for us. we'll see you here at the desk in just a moment. let's bring in the rest of our panel now cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, elliot williams is with us, also so cnn senior political analyst, gloria borger, and cnn political director david chaldean gloria, i want to start with you because this question of assessing credibility by the jury
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was it michael cohen? saying, oh, we got to do this, or was it stormy saying, oh, this is a real opportunity here, i'm going to extort them for $130,000 and so the defense has to say, well, she's an extortionist and the prosecution has to sort of tie it all together and say that michael cohen did it because he was worried she was going to open her mouth about it. >> a brand, it's an important the gender question that you raise is really important one because we all, including jurors, attorneys, everybody brings their own one background, whatever you want to call it, biases feelings into it. one of the more powerful things that i read recently was a statement about testimony that stormy daniels is given on tuesday saying every woman has had a what did i do to misread this situation moment, right? because the questioning was& the questioning, if it wasn't explicit, certainly opened the door to what were you doing in that room if you had a problem with with what was going on and she said, well, you know how d
was it michael cohen? saying, oh, we got to do this, or was it stormy saying, oh, this is a real opportunity here, i'm going to extort them for $130,000 and so the defense has to say, well, she's an extortionist and the prosecution has to sort of tie it all together and say that michael cohen did it because he was worried she was going to open her mouth about it. >> a brand, it's an important the gender question that you raise is really important one because we all, including jurors,...
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notably, michael cohen saying that michael cohen was obsessed with donald trump and his entire financial livelihood depends on trying to take down donald trump and we didn't we saw trump passing a lot of notes back and forth to his attorneys, but he he didn't react in any audible way or disrupted way in the proceedings which the judge has made clear he would not allow when the first witness taking the stand as david, he is a longtime friend of donald trump's when he walked into the courtroom, he actually came through a sayyed door and walked right behind where donald trump is sitting on his way to the witness stand and answer the prosecution's questions. they just were starting to set the table of what's to come establishing what ami is the american media, the publisher, the national enquirer the time, and david is role saying that he was the one that had the approval of any is the prosecutor put at juicy story. so just beginning to set up what will be the description of the catch and kill scheme that prosecutors allege this was all a part of and that all began in 2015 at a meeting at tr
notably, michael cohen saying that michael cohen was obsessed with donald trump and his entire financial livelihood depends on trying to take down donald trump and we didn't we saw trump passing a lot of notes back and forth to his attorneys, but he he didn't react in any audible way or disrupted way in the proceedings which the judge has made clear he would not allow when the first witness taking the stand as david, he is a longtime friend of donald trump's when he walked into the courtroom,...
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i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial. he's the one who negotiated the ndas with mcdougal and with stormy and the timeline is professor kim knows is crucial in any prosecution in august of 2016, keith david rohde will say this is public, that he had a meeting with dylan howard who unfortunately is not a key witness, has been brought up quite a lot. two, abbey, he discussed with karen mcdougal, haven't are on the cover of magazines, writing articles about intellectual topics the luncheon was a joke. it was to kill the case what happened was on our set october 7 access hollywood. after that tape came out, michael coh
i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial....
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michael cohen. >> i thought i think they scored a nice point when they established michael cohen is always playing an angle for himself. >> they got that out of the state's witness out of the da's witness. and the last thing think was there's a contradiction in an important part of pecker's testimony where he says now that hope hicks was at this crucial meeting where they first started discussing this plan. but it turns out he didn't say that the first time he was asked by investigators. now, i'm not saying he's ruined as a witness, but this is the back-and-forth. i think he did a good job on direct. i'd be happy with it if i was the prosecutor, but now sit back because now he's taking taking on some damage thibodaux yes. >> speaking from my time as a prosecutor, i agree. i think i would be happy if this were my witness. i think what stands out as something we talked about the other night actually, is that it's quite easy to point the finger at someone else, but i think what happened today is that pecker point they figured himself, he basically admitted that he was part of a criminal consp
michael cohen. >> i thought i think they scored a nice point when they established michael cohen is always playing an angle for himself. >> they got that out of the state's witness out of the da's witness. and the last thing think was there's a contradiction in an important part of pecker's testimony where he says now that hope hicks was at this crucial meeting where they first started discussing this plan. but it turns out he didn't say that the first time he was asked by...
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he is michael cohen's former banker. he worked at first republic and if that bank sounds vaguely familiar to you, is because it crashed and burned last year. pharaoh was the one who put the rubber stamp on a brand new shell company for cohen resolution consultants. that was the company that the fixer used to pay the porn star. let's bring in our panel. we have jid rosie here, former federal prosecutor, former trump attorney tim parlatore, allele. it will williams, a former deputy assistant attorney general, and marcus childress farmer, january 6, investigative counsel. everyone, thanks for being here. so first of all trump keeps complaining about this courthouse. is really that gold. i've been i've tried several cases in that courthouse it was hard when i was there, but i think they've done some renovations so i guess the answer is no. >> it is a dingy 19, i think 60s or 70s style bonfire of the vanities might be the best way to describe the courthouse. that probably hasn't undergone the kind of renovations that you thin
he is michael cohen's former banker. he worked at first republic and if that bank sounds vaguely familiar to you, is because it crashed and burned last year. pharaoh was the one who put the rubber stamp on a brand new shell company for cohen resolution consultants. that was the company that the fixer used to pay the porn star. let's bring in our panel. we have jid rosie here, former federal prosecutor, former trump attorney tim parlatore, allele. it will williams, a former deputy assistant...
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cohen, and how he used michael cohen as his fixer and what the children thought of michael cohen, which was apparently not much and so i think she's she's good for the document part of this, but she's also an important witness, i think to talk about the sort of ethos of the trump organization and how donald trump ran it and how much attention he paid to the receipts. and to what was going on. and also, she can talk about the relationship with david pecker. can you imagine though just taking a step back on what this must feel like for donald trump in this moment. i mean, we know the witness list includes people like hope hicks, michael cohen. michael cohen clearly, no love lost in the sense that we are all very clear at the status of their relationship. >> we're on a graph, somebody who would have been his right-hand woman thinking about her important role, david pecker, a long-term friend. >> we've seen the pictures outside of the white house, naveen david pecker was invited to sit in meeting with mike pompeo and jame dimon. call me and then told in front of all them he knows more than
cohen, and how he used michael cohen as his fixer and what the children thought of michael cohen, which was apparently not much and so i think she's she's good for the document part of this, but she's also an important witness, i think to talk about the sort of ethos of the trump organization and how donald trump ran it and how much attention he paid to the receipts. and to what was going on. and also, she can talk about the relationship with david pecker. can you imagine though just taking a...
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michael cohen, legal fees. that's exactly what michael cohen said to them. it doesn't make a difference for tax purposes because the confidential sediment, remember this is pretty 2018. so the confidential settlement is just as deductible as legal fees are. so it doesn't have any tax benefit whatsoever. these are not public records. these are not books that are going to be but. in to, any fec filings. so it's not covering up any election law issues one of the frame to jump in there for one second, please. in court, because he's accused of something. >> yes, sir. just to jump in here, the point of the karen mcdougal store for you is not to say any of its criminal, but it's actually to establish the purpose of the whole scheme in general that trump cared more before the election, then he did after the election that david pecker knew that doing this at that particular time would be considered a campaign finance violations. so there are some elements of this the whole mo there's some elements of this that they are trying to establish for the purpose of the jury.
michael cohen, legal fees. that's exactly what michael cohen said to them. it doesn't make a difference for tax purposes because the confidential sediment, remember this is pretty 2018. so the confidential settlement is just as deductible as legal fees are. so it doesn't have any tax benefit whatsoever. these are not public records. these are not books that are going to be but. in to, any fec filings. so it's not covering up any election law issues one of the frame to jump in there for one...
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karen is of course, council for a firm that represents michael cohen. she has no contact with cohen, does not work on his case and there are no restrictions and what you can say about this case. first of all, what are your thoughts about stormy daniels now on the stand, the importance of this its moment i think this is a good call for the prosecutors to really redirect the jury about what this case is really about. >> it's really about trying to silence stormy daniels and not have the information that she has come out before the election and so much so that they went through great pains to hide the source of this money so that these facts would not come out. so i think it's really good that the prosecution is where you are at the heart of the case right now is stormy daniels? >> karen a drift want to say is from daniel saying they're talking about how she got into the adults industry. she says i was honestly kind of scared you do it. a friend said, i'll do it with you just doing one, you can say you've done it and old bump you up and pay grade. you're s
karen is of course, council for a firm that represents michael cohen. she has no contact with cohen, does not work on his case and there are no restrictions and what you can say about this case. first of all, what are your thoughts about stormy daniels now on the stand, the importance of this its moment i think this is a good call for the prosecutors to really redirect the jury about what this case is really about. >> it's really about trying to silence stormy daniels and not have the...
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i'm we're going to get hours and hours of that during the michael cohen cross because michael cohen has spoken so much and he's been very clear as well, not how he feels about the defendant. >> right. i think pause spot on and saying this is a preview, but it is going to be like multiply this by about 100 and that's where you're gonna be with michael cohen to be clear, we've been talking about how the prosecution was trying to get in front of this particular cross. >> they've been trying to get in front of everything related to michael cohen over the course would be entirety of this trial. i think the only thing that is agreement going on at this point is that everybody agrees if my cohen isn't the greatest guy in the world and probably doesn't have a great reputation. that's been by design. i think what's fascinating here is, you understand, and it's been clear throughout as they've gone back and forth, the defense, the prosecution they've got an audience to 12th. >> right. and it's not it doesn't matter necessarily what this means for the specific allegations or for what stormy daniel
i'm we're going to get hours and hours of that during the michael cohen cross because michael cohen has spoken so much and he's been very clear as well, not how he feels about the defendant. >> right. i think pause spot on and saying this is a preview, but it is going to be like multiply this by about 100 and that's where you're gonna be with michael cohen to be clear, we've been talking about how the prosecution was trying to get in front of this particular cross. >> they've been...
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michael cohen told him not to worry because jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket did trump expect his ag to go easy on his friends i don't know. >> i don't know what he expected. what was your experience? my experience was why the time i came in, he did not he did not push me to do one thing or another on these criminal cases. now we tweeted and made his public views on things known. but they never talked to me about them directly. so he did not have you in his pocket? >> he would argue it's not a question of arguing. >> i did what i thought was right. >> and you never felt any direct pressure from him on what investigations the doj you did not directly pressure maybe as i say, he was there are tweeting and doing things that were embarrassing and made it hard for me to run the department that sounds like pressure wasn't pressure. >> it was just i mean, for example, i had decided that we were going to not agree to a sentence on stone that was three times longer than normal, and i'd already decided that and then he was tweeting about stone. >> so j
michael cohen told him not to worry because jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket did trump expect his ag to go easy on his friends i don't know. >> i don't know what he expected. what was your experience? my experience was why the time i came in, he did not he did not push me to do one thing or another on these criminal cases. now we tweeted and made his public views on things known. but they never talked to me about them directly. so he did not...
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how does michael cohen play on the stand? how did they do on cross-examination it's not a foregone conclusion, but there's not a lot of optimism are underway and trump was saying last week, jury selection is largely luck. i mean, his attorney he's are gonna be hoping that that's not the case here, that they can find even just that one juror, because if it is a hung jury, that is a dream for them here, kristen as trump was out in public this week holding rallies, holding his political events, his schedule is about the change drastically. he is going to have to be in your unless he request a waiver of his appearance, which he hasn't done yet. how what are you hearing from your sources? who are talking to him this weekend about? where he's at mentally going into this. >> we look, came here from donald trump. alweere all won about him raging against the saying it's unfair. we can hear from this advisors saying tos that ty wanthis to happen because as this is actually going to give them a boost with fundraisers or with campaigning
how does michael cohen play on the stand? how did they do on cross-examination it's not a foregone conclusion, but there's not a lot of optimism are underway and trump was saying last week, jury selection is largely luck. i mean, his attorney he's are gonna be hoping that that's not the case here, that they can find even just that one juror, because if it is a hung jury, that is a dream for them here, kristen as trump was out in public this week holding rallies, holding his political events,...
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cohen spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this is one of those times answer, this is one of those times. let's talk about it now apart, federal prosecutor jean rossi here presented keith davidson, who actually negotiated the ndas with karen mcdougal and also stormy daniels, former trump attorney tim parlatore, and cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, elliot williams, four republicans who your congressional advisor, reno shaw, and law enforcement reporter for the washington post devlin barrett. he's the also the author of the coauthor of the trump trials newsletter. so i want to begin with this idea of of gary farro because his testimony in many respects was why i think that people may not have anticipated they were thinking about michael cohen and stormy daniels are thinking about, of course, david pecker, maybe karen mcdougal talk to you about the decision to have this person testified, what was the weight of it well, number one, it was a friday and they did not know. i agree. i mean, that it it would not have been in the interest of the prosecutors to call a big s
cohen spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this is one of those times answer, this is one of those times. let's talk about it now apart, federal prosecutor jean rossi here presented keith davidson, who actually negotiated the ndas with karen mcdougal and also stormy daniels, former trump attorney tim parlatore, and cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, elliot williams, four republicans who your congressional advisor, reno shaw, and law enforcement reporter for the washington post...
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cohen made of his client, donald trump. it's really going to help the defense on that. and what we've heard, we've played it here many, many times, but in essence, trump is sort of clueless. he goes, he knows they're paying, he's very much on board with paying to silence. it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue. and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much. and i but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with playable arguably, but at some point the notion so i was involved in the scheme to make an illegal campaign donation and i was involved in this scheme two it's sort of to pay off michael cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. no
cohen made of his client, donald trump. it's really going to help the defense on that. and what we've heard, we've played it here many, many times, but in essence, trump is sort of clueless. he goes, he knows they're paying, he's very much on board with paying to silence. it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what...