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>> david pecker? >> yeah. >> i felt there were some partings of what he was saying were credible, but he was definitely more inclined to help the former president. >> definitely sounded pro trump throughout his entire thing. >> what was it he said or what was it about his demeanor, hope, that made you think he wanted to help donald trump? >> throughout his entire interview basically, he was talking a lot about, oh, yes, they were, we were referring to the boss, mr. trump. and lots of pro trump language throughout his entire argument. and social studies class, we learn a lot about bias and bias in the media and bias in all different sorts of stories. so it was very interesting to hear how someone actually in court was showing the same bias that we've seen in the media sometimes. >> testimony, also -- >> go ahead, owen. sorry. >> okay. his testimony also reflected how crucial this whole case michael cohen is and will be when he takes the stand in a few weeks. >> i have to ask you both very quickly, what
>> david pecker? >> yeah. >> i felt there were some partings of what he was saying were credible, but he was definitely more inclined to help the former president. >> definitely sounded pro trump throughout his entire thing. >> what was it he said or what was it about his demeanor, hope, that made you think he wanted to help donald trump? >> throughout his entire interview basically, he was talking a lot about, oh, yes, they were, we were referring to the...
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pecker replied, yes. what's the significance there? >> so, chris, at the end of the trial, the judge is going to instruct the jury that the defense does not have to prove anything. it's the prosecution that has the heavy burden of proof, so mr. bove's shot is to plant reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. so his cross examination is trying to suggest to the jury that the prosecution's first witness is compromised, and thus, he's not credible. if he admits to wrongdoing, then he's going to lose money from this deal with trying to sell the "national enquirer" and that's also why mr. bove is focused on pecker's non-prosecution deal. he wants the jury to think that pecker is basically marching to alvin bragg's orders because pecker doesn't want to go to jail himself. so that's also why he told the jury that trump thanked -- that trump had thanked mr. pecker a few days before the inauguration even though mr. pecker earlier told the fbi that trump had not thanked him. so chris, for an effective cross exa
pecker replied, yes. what's the significance there? >> so, chris, at the end of the trial, the judge is going to instruct the jury that the defense does not have to prove anything. it's the prosecution that has the heavy burden of proof, so mr. bove's shot is to plant reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. so his cross examination is trying to suggest to the jury that the prosecution's first witness is compromised, and thus, he's not credible. if he admits to wrongdoing, then he's...
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pecker. and when he says, for instance, that trump was detail oriented or micromanager, how would he know that? he would know that because they have spent so much time together. he would know that because they have discussed business together. so, you're laying the foundation in many ways, and, by the way, you're not just doing it through mr. pecker. he's, you know, witness number one on days number one and two. they're going to be many more witnesses, and they're going -- the prosecutors are going to ask all the witnesses how do you know the things that you say you know? what is the basis for it. all of that foundational testimony tells the jury in essence, you can trust the government's case. >> so, catherine, the prosecution has been drilling down on alleged conspiracy. hatch, between these three guys that now infamous trump tower meeting, and, vaughn talked about this, as part of that, they allege pecker agreed to be the eyes and ears of the campaign. the eyes and ears. publish flattering
pecker. and when he says, for instance, that trump was detail oriented or micromanager, how would he know that? he would know that because they have spent so much time together. he would know that because they have discussed business together. so, you're laying the foundation in many ways, and, by the way, you're not just doing it through mr. pecker. he's, you know, witness number one on days number one and two. they're going to be many more witnesses, and they're going -- the prosecutors are...
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former "national enquirer" ceo david pecker. the defense spent hours trying to trip him up, catch him in contradictions, even introducing several instances where they say pecker's recollection of key events had changed over time. but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to start with you because you're a defense attorney and you're new to this table. it's a challenge, right, no matter how many times the defense keeps going back and back and back to david pecker, trying to show this wasn't about the campaign, which is what you did, this is standard operating procedure, they said that over and
former "national enquirer" ceo david pecker. the defense spent hours trying to trip him up, catch him in contradictions, even introducing several instances where they say pecker's recollection of key events had changed over time. but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard...
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read back the testimony of david pecker. they're not supposed to use them, okay, this is what the law and falsifying business records means and try to convince the other jurors. it's supposed to be, i don't remember what the law means, let's have the judge read it back. everyone is different. i'm a note taker. i have to write down things, otherwise i don't remember them, and otherwise don't write them down. it's really, i think, helpful for some people, like me, who need to remember things that are important but hopefully the juror will remember, okay, this is just my recollection. let me actually hear what that witness testified to by having the court reporter read it back. >> and i wonder if it can be helpful in this sense and some jurors i talked to, they said, well, in fact most of the jurors i have talked to have said, well, we started with an initial, you know, guilty, not guilty, not sure. and in asking questions, why are you so sure they're guilty, not guilty or unsure, somebody will say, well, i have it here that da
read back the testimony of david pecker. they're not supposed to use them, okay, this is what the law and falsifying business records means and try to convince the other jurors. it's supposed to be, i don't remember what the law means, let's have the judge read it back. everyone is different. i'm a note taker. i have to write down things, otherwise i don't remember them, and otherwise don't write them down. it's really, i think, helpful for some people, like me, who need to remember things that...
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pecker said he would be trump's eyes and ears. cohen recalled pecker said he would keep an eye out for anything negative. in the grand scheme, though, of this case, how important is it? >> it's very important. we have heard, this is the meeting where the election law conspiracy was hatched, right, and you have not just -- both of them essentially saying the same thing on the three main points that the prosecution has argued were the birth of this conspiracy, the, you know, pecker being the eyes and ears, if anything negative was coming up, particularly from women, you know, we're going to kill those stories, placing negative stories against his opponents and then positive stories about trump, those three things. and both of them corroborated each other about those three goals. they also corroborated each other in one other way, this was one of those areas where it just didn't feel like they needed to take this on. both of them talked about the importance of the "national enquirer," so pecker said they called the meeting because th
pecker said he would be trump's eyes and ears. cohen recalled pecker said he would keep an eye out for anything negative. in the grand scheme, though, of this case, how important is it? >> it's very important. we have heard, this is the meeting where the election law conspiracy was hatched, right, and you have not just -- both of them essentially saying the same thing on the three main points that the prosecution has argued were the birth of this conspiracy, the, you know, pecker being...
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he lied to her, and then she called david pecker at ami. and david pecker went with the story. hey, this is a legitimate contract that we had with karen mcdougal to do magazine covers, and what was significant about that is donald trump then followed up with hope hicks and said what did david pecker tell you, right? in other words, donald trump wanted to know is david pecker sticking to their cover story, this had nothing to do with hush money. i thought that was a really important point for the prosecution to bring out. it's also showing that hope hicks is pretty credible here. she really didn't know anything about these hush money payments. she's trying to find out information. they're not telling her what's going on. that was made all the more credible by when she testified, she said i was hired four years out of college. i was hired to be the campaign press secretary sort of as a joke. i had no experience, but then i was around the campaign a lot, and so i got that title, right? she's there every day. she's talking to donald trump, but she really wasn't part of the inner ci
he lied to her, and then she called david pecker at ami. and david pecker went with the story. hey, this is a legitimate contract that we had with karen mcdougal to do magazine covers, and what was significant about that is donald trump then followed up with hope hicks and said what did david pecker tell you, right? in other words, donald trump wanted to know is david pecker sticking to their cover story, this had nothing to do with hush money. i thought that was a really important point for...
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put david pecker's testimony. but the testimony of the trump organization witnesses and line them up and just see what has been proved here, what hasn't been proved. >> they're looking though to, i don't know if rehabilitation is actually word. i think what they're trying to do is say there's a reasonable explanation for a lot of these things that the defense would like to sort of show is nefarious. for example, what would he say after doing three years plus three years post release supervision is that he paid the price for the role in this scheme. but it's not a defense. they call him a thief or they can call say this is not really a reimbursement, but not both. now the defense is urging you to reject cohen's testimony because he's still making money from things related to the case. he sells merchandise. none of that is a crime and he will continue to do that regardless of the outcome of the trial. he has no taxi medallions. he has been disbarred. huge legal bills. online attacks. i am not asking you to feel bad
put david pecker's testimony. but the testimony of the trump organization witnesses and line them up and just see what has been proved here, what hasn't been proved. >> they're looking though to, i don't know if rehabilitation is actually word. i think what they're trying to do is say there's a reasonable explanation for a lot of these things that the defense would like to sort of show is nefarious. for example, what would he say after doing three years plus three years post release...
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then on the other end, saying david pecker is nice. i think the judge is going to give trump a pass on that one. it's just too nothing. you can imagine context in which let's say john gotti's on trial and he says, hey, those witnesses better be nice. that would be a different statement than just saying david pecker is nice. i think trump prevails on that one. the mid-range, as a campaigner being able to respond to statements by people like michael cohen, i think it's bolstered by the fact that michael cohen won't stop talking. i have no doubt the people, the prosecution is equally as frustrated with michael cohen out there making statements and bolstering trump's argument that he should be able to respond to them. so in other words, this argument might have less of a chance if michael cohen wasn't so active out there making statements and bolstering the argument that trump should be able to respond to them as someone campaigning for the highest political office in the land. >> you know, jim, joe biden's name was invoked for the first t
then on the other end, saying david pecker is nice. i think the judge is going to give trump a pass on that one. it's just too nothing. you can imagine context in which let's say john gotti's on trial and he says, hey, those witnesses better be nice. that would be a different statement than just saying david pecker is nice. i think trump prevails on that one. the mid-range, as a campaigner being able to respond to statements by people like michael cohen, i think it's bolstered by the fact that...
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when david pecker corroborates it. when gary corroborates the transaction and documents, now you don't worry so much about cohen's credibility. >> let's touch on karen mcdougle and stormy daniels. >> they're actually very different characters even though they occupy similar spaces and that both allegedly had relationships with donald trump. but karen mcdougle, arguably, you don't need much of her testimony at all. she's certainly an interesting witness but in terms of proving things, there's not a lot more you get out of here that will be introduced by davidson or by gary fero. you can make the argument they barely need karen mcdougle but need a character like stormy daniels. her transaction is at the center of this case. but i say that if you have enough gary fero testimony, enough testimony by other people to know about the transaction. >> but the jury's going to want to see her. >> you've got to call stormy daniels and mcdougle. the fact that a witness is interesting doesn't -- >> thank you so much. >> ahead in our
when david pecker corroborates it. when gary corroborates the transaction and documents, now you don't worry so much about cohen's credibility. >> let's touch on karen mcdougle and stormy daniels. >> they're actually very different characters even though they occupy similar spaces and that both allegedly had relationships with donald trump. but karen mcdougle, arguably, you don't need much of her testimony at all. she's certainly an interesting witness but in terms of proving...
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pecker. cohen says yes. an exhibit that shows a list of calls between david pecker and michael cohen. do you see a flurry of calls between yourself and david pecker. cohen, i do. on why there were so many calls blames the app's signal. signal is terrible with keeping phone calls. they drop all the time. also factual. cohen says, yes, about the resolution of the stormy daniels matter. between michael cohen and keith davidson. what was the goal. to ensure that that occurs, i'm assuming the deal, so i can tell mr. trump the matter is under control. cohen, i was hoping ami is going to make the payment. you knew they were not. cohen says, that's correct. why did you have the phone call after business hours? cohen says to discuss the finalization of the funding and the particulars for the funding of the execution of the nondisclosure. hoffinger, did you settle up an account for essential consultants. cohen said i went across the street and told them i need to do a transfer. this is color, trump is conferring with
pecker. cohen says yes. an exhibit that shows a list of calls between david pecker and michael cohen. do you see a flurry of calls between yourself and david pecker. cohen, i do. on why there were so many calls blames the app's signal. signal is terrible with keeping phone calls. they drop all the time. also factual. cohen says, yes, about the resolution of the stormy daniels matter. between michael cohen and keith davidson. what was the goal. to ensure that that occurs, i'm assuming the deal,...
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david pecker is a nice guy. donald trump is essentially saying this at one point before david pecker's testimony. two with michael cohen saying, and i'm paraphrasing, michael cohen is a liar. michael cohen is not going to be a good witness, he's problematic. things we have heard repeatedly when it comes to the star witness, michael cohen. then it's the jury at which the former president said 95% of the jury is democrats. it seemed as if during a gag order hearing earlier today, the judge is leaning more towards finding donald trump in violation of what he said about the jury. we know as part of the gag order, the former president could not speak ill of the jury or cannot speak at all of any witnesses or any potential witnesses. it seems if judge juan merchan is leaning in the direction of holding donald trump in violation of a gag order when he spoke about the jury. when it comes to michael cohen, he's more on the fence. david pecker, he's less concerned. he said that in court today. one other thing i think is i
david pecker is a nice guy. donald trump is essentially saying this at one point before david pecker's testimony. two with michael cohen saying, and i'm paraphrasing, michael cohen is a liar. michael cohen is not going to be a good witness, he's problematic. things we have heard repeatedly when it comes to the star witness, michael cohen. then it's the jury at which the former president said 95% of the jury is democrats. it seemed as if during a gag order hearing earlier today, the judge is...
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you've got david pecker with the catch and kill. and you've got david pecker talking about the trump tower meeting, the one that jim comey was there for, where he specifically asks, trump specifically asks pecker, how's our girl doing? that's exactly what cohen is saying trump did with him. wants to know what's happening with stormy daniels. just as he asked david pecker what's happening with karen mcdougal? so i think you're going to see basically sort of a rise of evidence that they're going to present about all of the many reasons why you may hate michael cohen, you may think he's a despicable person, you may think he's a liar and a cheater, but here's why you can believe him here. here is the evidence that backs him up. that's what they're going to say. and of course, the defense is going to say that cohen made the whole thing up, and that he forgot to tell the prosecutors about the money that he stole. and most importantly, here he is, worried about some 14-year-old harassing him, which he clearly never told the d.a.'s office a
you've got david pecker with the catch and kill. and you've got david pecker talking about the trump tower meeting, the one that jim comey was there for, where he specifically asks, trump specifically asks pecker, how's our girl doing? that's exactly what cohen is saying trump did with him. wants to know what's happening with stormy daniels. just as he asked david pecker what's happening with karen mcdougal? so i think you're going to see basically sort of a rise of evidence that they're going...
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the prosecutor says why did you ask for pecker's number. hope hicks, because mr. trump wanted to speak to him. all the lines are being drawn together, not just hope hicks to michael cohen, but then to david pecker to donald trump. >> i think that as a prosecutor, you have times when you're trying a case where, you know, you don't want to say things could not be going better. i'm sure adam can understand this. this is one of those times that the evidence just starts lining up and you want to get out of there as quickly as you can. you're getting what you need, and later on you'll tie it up for the jury. that's a beautiful piece of information for the prosecution because thus far, we have not necessarily seen hope hicks connected to anything around that transaction. the question, of course, if i'm the defendant or the defense counsel is did you know why, did he tell you why, did you ever speak to him about why or just carry out that order, and that goes back to your earlier question, chris, where you asked about what type of witness do we expect hope hicks to be on
the prosecutor says why did you ask for pecker's number. hope hicks, because mr. trump wanted to speak to him. all the lines are being drawn together, not just hope hicks to michael cohen, but then to david pecker to donald trump. >> i think that as a prosecutor, you have times when you're trying a case where, you know, you don't want to say things could not be going better. i'm sure adam can understand this. this is one of those times that the evidence just starts lining up and you want...
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he was accuing michael cohen of being a lawyer, about a lunch he had with david pecker and everybody was, like, okay, great, we're going to hear something new and they have evidence that michael cohen lied about it. they didn't have evidence that he lied about it and never really finished that. they just said there was no credit card receipt for the lunch. that's not evidence they didn't have lunch. those sort of things, the jurors are picking up on some if not all of that. i was surprised by that. that was going to be the a-ha moment of the morning as a reporter, and it never went anywhere. >> two hours and 52 minutes he had to convince the jury or a juror that donald trump should be acquitted. but we have not heard yet from the prosecution. lisa and sue, thank you. we have much more still to come with our reporters and analysts right after this. you're watching special coverage of closing arguments in the donald trump hush money trial on msnbc. e donald trump hush money trial on msnbc. we're still going for that nice catch. we're still going for that perfect pizza. and with higher
he was accuing michael cohen of being a lawyer, about a lunch he had with david pecker and everybody was, like, okay, great, we're going to hear something new and they have evidence that michael cohen lied about it. they didn't have evidence that he lied about it and never really finished that. they just said there was no credit card receipt for the lunch. that's not evidence they didn't have lunch. those sort of things, the jurors are picking up on some if not all of that. i was surprised by...
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and how will trump's attorneys push back against david pecker whose testimony has already shown the former president to be a willing participant in a scheme to skew the 2020 election. >>> but we start at the supreme court where for the first time since they overturned roe v. wade, justices are being forced to reckon with the by-product of that decision and rule on the abortion issue all over again. at the heart of the arguments, whether idaho's near total abortion ban should take precedence over federal law and block abortions. in situations where abortion would help stabilize pregnant patients undergoing a medical crisis. now, idaho's attorney says it should. the government disagreed. >> what idaho is doing is waiting for women to wait and deteriorate and suffer the lifelong health consequences with no possible upside for the fetus. it just stacks tragedy upon tragedy. >> and it can't be the -- you know, it's become transfer is the appropriate standard of care in idaho, but it can't be the right standard of care to force somebody onto a helicopter. >> this supreme court battle over aborti
and how will trump's attorneys push back against david pecker whose testimony has already shown the former president to be a willing participant in a scheme to skew the 2020 election. >>> but we start at the supreme court where for the first time since they overturned roe v. wade, justices are being forced to reckon with the by-product of that decision and rule on the abortion issue all over again. at the heart of the arguments, whether idaho's near total abortion ban should take...
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the pecker testimony. the keith davidson testimony. all the testimony coming up to this. michael cohen has come across as a terrible person to work with. as somebody who is very difficult. somebody who screams at people. everybody coming into this sitting on the jury already knows who michael cohen is. not from the outside. presumably they've been instructed not to watch news about it, but they know who he is. when he's sitting there on cross-examination, he loses credibility points and now it's coming out who he is. that being said, what is it going to matter? what does it matter at the end of the day whether he comes out looking like he's shading things a little better. his credibility matters but the d.a. put him on last because all of what he's saying is being corroborated by all these other little bread crumbs that have been left along the way. >> the prosecution had a parade of witnesses ahead of cohen, laying the foundation then michael cohen came in and just basically confirmed everything they had testified to. let me read more from what's happening. again, prosec
the pecker testimony. the keith davidson testimony. all the testimony coming up to this. michael cohen has come across as a terrible person to work with. as somebody who is very difficult. somebody who screams at people. everybody coming into this sitting on the jury already knows who michael cohen is. not from the outside. presumably they've been instructed not to watch news about it, but they know who he is. when he's sitting there on cross-examination, he loses credibility points and now...
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it was just last week that the ex-publisher of the "national enquirer" david pecker was on the stand and told the jury basically the same thing. he didn't think that michael cohen had any authorization to buy or acquire or spend any moneys without mr. trump's approval. two witnesses, practically the same answer. if you're the defense, what do you do with that? >> there are a couple of ways you can go. one way is to say cohen was freelancing. he was trying to impress the boss. he had no permission to do it. he certainly had no authorization to do it. and he cut the deal on his own without donald trump's knowledge or permission. but that doesn't seem to be the strategy that they're using, particularly if you look back at their cross examination of david pecker. it looks like the strategy they're employing here, particularly given some of the other evidence that hasn't come into trial yet is not he didn't do it or it wasn't for his benefit, but so what? there's nothing wrong with that. and that's the sort of standard operating procedure line of cross examination that we saw trump lawyer
it was just last week that the ex-publisher of the "national enquirer" david pecker was on the stand and told the jury basically the same thing. he didn't think that michael cohen had any authorization to buy or acquire or spend any moneys without mr. trump's approval. two witnesses, practically the same answer. if you're the defense, what do you do with that? >> there are a couple of ways you can go. one way is to say cohen was freelancing. he was trying to impress the boss. he...
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he had an opportunity to cross examine david pecker. he had an opportunity to cross examine hope hicks. both of those witnesses provided devastating evidence. they were not cross examined to say that they were lying. there was a choice he made, and so now to say don't believe the process, these were in many ways his allies giving the most damming evidence. >> we talked about the other day, i called this a novel case. you said it wasn't a novel case. elie honig, former federal prosecutor, he argued in new york magazine that this was really a bespoke case, that these charges were tailored for one particular defendant, and that was donald trump. he talked about how the judge gave a small amount of money to a democratic group, but that still is against the rules. he shouldn't have done it. he talked about how district attorney alvin bragg ran in some ways as a man who would go after donald trump. he understands the arguments that donald trump and his team are making that this was not fair. when you went through this elie honig argument abou
he had an opportunity to cross examine david pecker. he had an opportunity to cross examine hope hicks. both of those witnesses provided devastating evidence. they were not cross examined to say that they were lying. there was a choice he made, and so now to say don't believe the process, these were in many ways his allies giving the most damming evidence. >> we talked about the other day, i called this a novel case. you said it wasn't a novel case. elie honig, former federal prosecutor,...
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whether it's david pecker. whether it's any witness who's come before us. but if you continue to do that, you are going to damn this case and that's going to be on you and we can only protect you so much. >> we don't know what's been said to him but it would make sense to me, peter, that what jeremy laid out would be something prosecutors would say. don't put this case in jeopardy. don't put your testimony in jeopardy. we are going to try to do what we can to essentially rehabilitate you. i don't think, based on any conversations i've had or seen with cohen, that he wants to ruin the case. he would like frankly to see donald trump pay for what he believes he has done. so why is he doing this? i know i'm asking you do get into his brain. why? >> so the problem here is that you know, as you pointed out, cohen's credibility as a witness will be a central issue in this case. it may well end up being the central issue depending on what documents the prosecution can produce. with every statement, with every thing a witness writes. any way they rehash a story of w
whether it's david pecker. whether it's any witness who's come before us. but if you continue to do that, you are going to damn this case and that's going to be on you and we can only protect you so much. >> we don't know what's been said to him but it would make sense to me, peter, that what jeremy laid out would be something prosecutors would say. don't put this case in jeopardy. don't put your testimony in jeopardy. we are going to try to do what we can to essentially rehabilitate you....
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david pecker talking about the meeting, the stormy daniels side of things. there's all of this evidence built that separates the case from michael cohen, and buttresses it and all the problems he has. is it a good idea for the prosecution to end with somebody who can be as problematic as cohen? >> i don't know why they made that choice. i wouldn't have started with him or ended with him. say there's no defense case. the last view of the whole case is michael cohen. maybe it will end on a crescendo, which is good for the prosecution or maybe it won't. but i don't know why they made that choice. i would have ended with a custodian of documents to get their mind off of michael cohen. >> they could still call one more witness after michael cohen. >> they have said that he will be the last witness. until they say the people rest, they can say judge merchan, we actually have one more witness. >> all right. let's keep going. >> katy, you have been named. some of the reporters you have a strong relationship with, chris, katy tur, maggie haberman with the "new york t
david pecker talking about the meeting, the stormy daniels side of things. there's all of this evidence built that separates the case from michael cohen, and buttresses it and all the problems he has. is it a good idea for the prosecution to end with somebody who can be as problematic as cohen? >> i don't know why they made that choice. i wouldn't have started with him or ended with him. say there's no defense case. the last view of the whole case is michael cohen. maybe it will end on a...
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donald trump, we know from testimony from david pecker, previously last week, had suggested that donald trump was irate when she went public and she should owe him $1 million for every time she spoke his name. so we could get into that sort of back and forth as to what she understood the agreement to mean and how long the agreement would contractually bind her to not speaking publicly. >> so i want to go back into the document because judge merchan has gotten back on the bench and he said he asked the defense counsel if they wanted a limited instruction on daniels' claim about threats that happened. she said in a parking lot, this is todd blanche and i'm going to bring this on both to you onset. duncan and shan. we move for a mistrial based on the testimony this morning. the guardrails were thrown aside. that testimony was so undually prejudicial to trump and the charges in the case and the testimony about 2006 is way different from the stories and i'm literally reading it as they're typing it in. that she was pedaling back in 2016. is this something todd blanche needs to do and would b
donald trump, we know from testimony from david pecker, previously last week, had suggested that donald trump was irate when she went public and she should owe him $1 million for every time she spoke his name. so we could get into that sort of back and forth as to what she understood the agreement to mean and how long the agreement would contractually bind her to not speaking publicly. >> so i want to go back into the document because judge merchan has gotten back on the bench and he said...
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dylan howard is not going to be testifying because as david pecker told this jury that he is currently going through a medical condition and is in australia and would not be able to come to the u.s. and take part in this trial. that was somebody that could have taken easily a day or two of testimony as well. that is where you saw the text messages between those two individuals read into the record by a member of the d.a.'s team, a paralegal instead. those text messages revealing in so many ways about the engagement between the editor and chief of the "national enquirer" who is not even party to the $130,000 agreement but was understanding of the importance to david pecker and others to make sure that it was executed, communicating with stormy daniels manager who, again, was not keith davidson who was the one who was executing the $130,000, those text messages showed just how great of a scope of individuals there were that were following this over the course of those weeks, and that it was even noted on october 15th that the trump deal in quotes was dead and that there was frustration o
dylan howard is not going to be testifying because as david pecker told this jury that he is currently going through a medical condition and is in australia and would not be able to come to the u.s. and take part in this trial. that was somebody that could have taken easily a day or two of testimony as well. that is where you saw the text messages between those two individuals read into the record by a member of the d.a.'s team, a paralegal instead. those text messages revealing in so many ways...
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it's all backed up, starting with david pecker, and if anybody has any doubts, that's the first legal issue -- was this this money given because of the campaign or because of wanting to be a faithful husband? i'll let the jury decide that question. the second one, did donald trump have reason to know, was he willfully blind about reimbursing hush money, which is illegal, as opposed to reimbursing legal expenses was he willfully blind? >> lanny, i want to ask about the idea of all of us having trouble at times controlling or emotions, and take you back to april 9th, 2018, and michael cohen's office gets raided by the fbi. at that time donald trump said something to the effect of that there was a disgraceful situation. it didn't take a month for him to then say -- i'm talking about donald trump very dismissal -- with a little fraction of whoever did my legal work, and then he stopped paying his legal bills, and that, to my understanding is when he came to you. he named one of his books "revenge" he's never been shy about what he feels about donald trump. even under cross-examination, do
it's all backed up, starting with david pecker, and if anybody has any doubts, that's the first legal issue -- was this this money given because of the campaign or because of wanting to be a faithful husband? i'll let the jury decide that question. the second one, did donald trump have reason to know, was he willfully blind about reimbursing hush money, which is illegal, as opposed to reimbursing legal expenses was he willfully blind? >> lanny, i want to ask about the idea of all of us...
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it's almost feels like she's trying to catch and kill this case apropos of what david pecker was doing trying to help donald trump in the 2016 election when he was catching and killing negative information about donald trump. >> yes, i saw a number of the headlines, ken, they said that the case is postponed indefinitely, no matter which way you read the word indefinitely, the final conclusion is nobody knows if or when, right, this trial might actually happen. >> yeah, that's right, chris, and you know, she scheduled five hearings on these various pretrial motions, some of which many legal experts would argue you don't need to have a hearing on, like defendant walt nauta arguing this is a selective and vindictive prosecution. she's going to do a day-long hearing on that. it does feel like this is going to play out for some period of time. and even when these hearings conclude, then she has to rule on each one of these motions. she may issue written rulings. it's really looking like the chances of this going to trial before the election are remote. it's worth remembering and reminding v
it's almost feels like she's trying to catch and kill this case apropos of what david pecker was doing trying to help donald trump in the 2016 election when he was catching and killing negative information about donald trump. >> yes, i saw a number of the headlines, ken, they said that the case is postponed indefinitely, no matter which way you read the word indefinitely, the final conclusion is nobody knows if or when, right, this trial might actually happen. >> yeah, that's right,...
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his testimony has been corroborated by other witnesses including david pecker and hope hicks. there's a mountain of document tear evidence that corroborates time lines and evidence that supports the fraud that has been alleged. i think costello is a political trick, the hail mary pass being thrown at the end of a damming are prosecution. >> interesting way to put that. given that we look ahead to michael cohen returning to the stand on monday, tim, what has been your sense of how he has comported himself during this trial, during his testimony. >> michael's a really volatile, unreliable person generally, and i think he's been almost a stellar witness throughout. he has been calm. he has been fact driven. he's depth largely his own emotions in check. i think todd blanche has given a d minus to a c performance as a defense attorney here. i think he was trying to get michael cohen rattled, but her didn't present a compelling compelling narrative to the jury, about why michael cohen shouldn't be trusted in the context of this specific case. he larded an attack with a lot of very c
his testimony has been corroborated by other witnesses including david pecker and hope hicks. there's a mountain of document tear evidence that corroborates time lines and evidence that supports the fraud that has been alleged. i think costello is a political trick, the hail mary pass being thrown at the end of a damming are prosecution. >> interesting way to put that. given that we look ahead to michael cohen returning to the stand on monday, tim, what has been your sense of how he has...
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what happened at the trump organization and what happened at trump tower that david pecker talked about. >> maybe that's what the defense wants. maybe the defense would love it, jeremy, if that's what the jury went back in and talked about. they spent the first day talking about whether or not there actually really ever was a real sexual encounter. >> that helps them. the theory in large part is donald trump, he's a principal, also an accomplice. it's being involved hands on and furthering this conspiracy and this crime. but absolutely to your point, it absolutely helps the defense if this gets a distraction or a sex crime. it's not a sex crime. it's irrelevant. we were discussing how we had the doorman making up a story about a child, which ultimately is not true. doesn't make a difference. you made the payment because you thought it was going to hurt you. >> let's go back to the heart of the case, there are 34 felony charges here, and they really go, the question is raised, they were put in as legal expenses. is that a falsification of business records. how does this witness who's goi
what happened at the trump organization and what happened at trump tower that david pecker talked about. >> maybe that's what the defense wants. maybe the defense would love it, jeremy, if that's what the jury went back in and talked about. they spent the first day talking about whether or not there actually really ever was a real sexual encounter. >> that helps them. the theory in large part is donald trump, he's a principal, also an accomplice. it's being involved hands on and...
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i felt like we heard pieces from david pecker that came into michael cohen. we heard pieces of hope hicks that came into michael cohen. and michael cohen was able to corroborate the conversations and the records. and the other thing that michael cohen did this morning, is he went through some of the false documents, the 34 false documents that the jury is going to have to consider whether or not they were falsified. he went through the entry of those documents, one by one. it was tedious. but we got through them. he didn't say that donald trump entered them. he didn't say that. that doesn't have to happen. all that has to happen is donald trump caused them to be entered. and the government has left that impression, whether or not they can get that through to the jury, we'll see. but i think that was also important for michael cohen, this morning. this afternoon, and tomorrow, it's just going to be a whole new game, how he holds up. and what impression the jury is left with. >> we're going to get that first glimpse of it, in a few minutes. they come back from
i felt like we heard pieces from david pecker that came into michael cohen. we heard pieces of hope hicks that came into michael cohen. and michael cohen was able to corroborate the conversations and the records. and the other thing that michael cohen did this morning, is he went through some of the false documents, the 34 false documents that the jury is going to have to consider whether or not they were falsified. he went through the entry of those documents, one by one. it was tedious. but...
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pecker who was the one who explained that he was the eyes and ears of campaign and members of the jury, he was always your eyes and ears to the conspiracy. so they will go through witness after witness who corroborated michael cohen, who, the executive assistant who talked about daniels being in one of the contexts in the trump organization in donald trump's contact list. so they will, witness after witness, piece of evidence after piece of evidence, then say and this is proof beyond the reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty. so he will spend time reminding them, because it's been a week off, about the evidence that they heard and why it proves guilt beyond a responsible doubt. >> harry, you've watched this case from inside the courtroom. what do you see as the biggest potential pitfalls for the prosecution? >> well, the number one thing i would say is this legal tricky issue that the judge will brief them on on wednesday, but i want to just add to one thing that the, in the prosecution's challenge. steinglass is excellent and he's a lot of material to work with. he will mainly
pecker who was the one who explained that he was the eyes and ears of campaign and members of the jury, he was always your eyes and ears to the conspiracy. so they will go through witness after witness who corroborated michael cohen, who, the executive assistant who talked about daniels being in one of the contexts in the trump organization in donald trump's contact list. so they will, witness after witness, piece of evidence after piece of evidence, then say and this is proof beyond the...
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certainly hope hicks was, but david pecker who still doesn't have terrible things to say about them, you know, there's been person after person after person up to mcconney now, who were very happy to be working for the trump organization, and particularly happy to work for donald trump. and i wonder how that part of the testimony might play for jurors, do you think? >> right. so the prosecution is front loading these witnesses who still have warm feelings for donald trump. there have been brief exchanges, nonverbal ones between trump and his long time aide rhona graff in the courtroom. these witnesses in essence are vouching for the michael cohen testimony that is still to come. obviously michael cohen and donald trump don't have a good relationship, and trump's lawyers will argue that cohen has a grudge match, that he's made much of this up to try to get back at the former president for not taking him to washington with him. by putting on witness after witness who has testified they like donald trump even know, and by eliciting testimony from them that will back up cohen's story. th
certainly hope hicks was, but david pecker who still doesn't have terrible things to say about them, you know, there's been person after person after person up to mcconney now, who were very happy to be working for the trump organization, and particularly happy to work for donald trump. and i wonder how that part of the testimony might play for jurors, do you think? >> right. so the prosecution is front loading these witnesses who still have warm feelings for donald trump. there have been...
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also david pecker, the former ceo of american media and keith davidson, former attorney for both women. on the defense side, donald trump himself. all this happening because right now the trial is on track to start monday after three attempts in three days to delay it, all summarily rejected by the way. the latest attempt so last minute and so chaotic arguments were heard in the court basement in a room our lisa rubin describes as more like a beatup underresourced teacher's lounge than a courtroom. >>> a new poll puts data behind trump's increasing desperation to put off the trial. look at these numbers, 64% of registered voters say the charges are either very or somewhat serious, including 40% of republicans and more than two-thirds of independents, and if he's convicted of a felony by election day, 24% of republicans and 13% of current trump voters say they would not vote for him. nbc's garrett haake is following all of this from washington. joyce vance is a former u.s. attorney, law professor at the university of alabama, and an msnbc legal analyst. jim messina was white house deput
also david pecker, the former ceo of american media and keith davidson, former attorney for both women. on the defense side, donald trump himself. all this happening because right now the trial is on track to start monday after three attempts in three days to delay it, all summarily rejected by the way. the latest attempt so last minute and so chaotic arguments were heard in the court basement in a room our lisa rubin describes as more like a beatup underresourced teacher's lounge than a...
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referring to pecker's testimony, consider his non-prosecution agreement. michael cohen, of the same, to consider his guilty plea as part of his credibility assessment, not to weigh whether or not donald trump is guilty or not guilty. and talking about reasonable doubt, in the testimony and the impartiality as well. in talking about the witness's motive and the definition of intent. this was a major part of these jury instructions. and then walking through the law. right? twice it was judge juan merchan walked through the law, about seven pages or so. he talked about falsifying documents, new york election law, tax law as well. incredibly important through these instructions. i got a copy of these jury instructions right here. 50-plus pages long. this is not something the jury has inside that deliberation room, and so if they have any questions about this law, if they have any questions about the testimony despite the fact that they have it on that laptop, they have to ask the judge these questions in which the prosecution and defense need to reconvene insi
referring to pecker's testimony, consider his non-prosecution agreement. michael cohen, of the same, to consider his guilty plea as part of his credibility assessment, not to weigh whether or not donald trump is guilty or not guilty. and talking about reasonable doubt, in the testimony and the impartiality as well. in talking about the witness's motive and the definition of intent. this was a major part of these jury instructions. and then walking through the law. right? twice it was judge juan...
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they've shown the conspiracy between pecker of "the national enquirer," michael cohen, donald trump to violate the federal campaign finance laws, they've shown all that. you say, why did they need stormy daniels in the first place? i think not only to illustrate the bombshell horrible news but also to show donald trump's own just terrible sordid, ugly actions and let that come in front of the jury. a way of poisoning them so her credibility matters a lot. >> they are going to go after her credibility, for example, she initially denied the affair with trump in multiple statement, in fact, that went to the media and then there was this report about, you know, she had signed this statement and she goes on "jimmy kimmel" and he asks her about it so let's play a little clip of that. >> did you sign this letter that was released today? >> i don't know. did i? >> wait a minute. that you can say, right? >> it doesn't look like my signature, does it? >> it doesn't look like my signature. you're saying perhaps this letter was written and released without your approval. >> hmm. [ laughter ] >> yo
they've shown the conspiracy between pecker of "the national enquirer," michael cohen, donald trump to violate the federal campaign finance laws, they've shown all that. you say, why did they need stormy daniels in the first place? i think not only to illustrate the bombshell horrible news but also to show donald trump's own just terrible sordid, ugly actions and let that come in front of the jury. a way of poisoning them so her credibility matters a lot. >> they are going to go...
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pecker who came across as a man in a sorted business, made his deal, told the truth and harbored no animus against trump. i don't think it's ms. daniels who i think told her story with clarity and courage and the type of attacks launched on her. i highly doubt create reasonable doubt in 2024, nor about the core of the crimes legally. but to both of your questions, if there is reasonable doubt, it might have very well been raised tuesday and today with mr. cohen, and the way that the trump defense, again, calling balls and strikes here, the trump defense has been able to raise valid questions about when did you stop lying and why did you say you're not obsessed if you wrote you were obsessed. why did you have a different characterization of a big event in your life which was the rejection, the professional rejection of donald trump before your falling out. he wouldn't bring you to the white house, which you thought as the self-declared fixer would be the payoff. i'm not reporting that would be the case or that he lied. i'm reporting those are the kind of things, if reasonable doubt was rais
pecker who came across as a man in a sorted business, made his deal, told the truth and harbored no animus against trump. i don't think it's ms. daniels who i think told her story with clarity and courage and the type of attacks launched on her. i highly doubt create reasonable doubt in 2024, nor about the core of the crimes legally. but to both of your questions, if there is reasonable doubt, it might have very well been raised tuesday and today with mr. cohen, and the way that the trump...
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was womanizing and liked beautiful women and was one of the world's most eligible bachelors as david pecker described him, but a trump who knew what he was doing and wasn't just hitting on people but making it impossible for them to escape or at least down right uncomfortable, and stormy daniels today, i agree with sue, the temperature was down, but the self-possession was up, and she would not gif ground. my favorite answer that she gave was when susan necheles basically said to her you make things up like this all the time. you've acted in over 200 pornographic movies and those are all made up. and she said if i was going to make this up, i would have made it a much better story, and i don't know how people in the courtroom reacted but in the overflow room there was like an ooh, almost like sick burn because stormy daniels was in control. >> the other thing i thought stormy daniels did really well today was susan necheles in asking her questions was putting words in her mouth and saying, well, did you say? and stormy daniels would say i don't think i did. or she would say no, and she woul
was womanizing and liked beautiful women and was one of the world's most eligible bachelors as david pecker described him, but a trump who knew what he was doing and wasn't just hitting on people but making it impossible for them to escape or at least down right uncomfortable, and stormy daniels today, i agree with sue, the temperature was down, but the self-possession was up, and she would not gif ground. my favorite answer that she gave was when susan necheles basically said to her you make...