bove is focused on pecker's non-prosecution deal. he wants the jury to think that pecker is basically marching to alvin bragg's orders because pecker doesn't want to go to jail himself. so that's also why he told the jury that trump thanked -- that trump had thanked mr. pecker a few days before the inauguration even though mr. pecker earlier told the fbi that trump had not thanked him. so chris, for an effective cross examination, mr. bove doesn't need a perry mason moment where pecker breaks down on the stand. all he has to do is kind of chip away at mr. pecker's testimony, and i think he's done a decent job of that. >> yeah, there are points at which, again, reporting from inside, they talk about the way bove was approaching this, the description of david pecker is that he's a smaller man, fairly slight, that he has a kind of a soft demeanor, which belies, right, the jobs that he actually did, but that's the way he's coming across on the stand, and at one point, bove got pretty pointed and raised his voice a little bit. are you ver