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. >> jay kirk recounts the life of taxidermist carl akeley. he recalls the hunting expeditions in africa where theodore roosevelt and tt barnum and the decision later in life to stop hunting and create sanctuaries for animals to live and be studied. from the academy of natural sciences in philadelphia, this is just over 45 minutes. >> hello and good evening. que so much for being here and for that wonderful introduction. excuse me while -- i can't tell you how grateful i am to be here tonight at the academy of natural sciences and to see so many friendly faces. thank you so much for coming out tonight. i just can't believe it. i also want to assure any of you who might still be wondering know, there will not be an actual taxidermy demonstration in tonight's program. so apologies to any of you who are expecting. but i do have a i want to begin by telling you a story that took place 100 years ago at the top of mount kenya. it was here in june, 1910 my friend karl illegally found itself attracting a creature that would forever change his life. he
. >> jay kirk recounts the life of taxidermist carl akeley. he recalls the hunting expeditions in africa where theodore roosevelt and tt barnum and the decision later in life to stop hunting and create sanctuaries for animals to live and be studied. from the academy of natural sciences in philadelphia, this is just over 45 minutes. >> hello and good evening. que so much for being here and for that wonderful introduction. excuse me while -- i can't tell you how grateful i am to be...
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enter carl akeley, world's greatest taxidermist. by now, henry farrell ferrets osborne was considering -- comparing him a talent equal only to phidias the great screed screed -- maghreb sculpture who preserved images of the gods in the parthenon. as such, his job in a nutshell was to take a snapshot of the dawn's creation in all its splendor before it was snuffed out. was this a somewhat fatalistic philosophy? cs. was he a charge method with charging time capsules in the vanishing world? yes. did he love the animals he was killing? i truly think he did, yes. i know he did. but the full scale conception of this ultimate time capsule would only come to akeley after he had taken that beating by the elephant back on mount kenya. it was while he was confined to his tent, healing from his ones, that he first began to have these feverish visions of what would become after several more harrowing expeditions and three decades. the grandiose akeley hall of african mammals. while he lay there on his cot, listening to camp sounds around him dur
enter carl akeley, world's greatest taxidermist. by now, henry farrell ferrets osborne was considering -- comparing him a talent equal only to phidias the great screed screed -- maghreb sculpture who preserved images of the gods in the parthenon. as such, his job in a nutshell was to take a snapshot of the dawn's creation in all its splendor before it was snuffed out. was this a somewhat fatalistic philosophy? cs. was he a charge method with charging time capsules in the vanishing world? yes....
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but by now carl and nicky's marriage was somewhat strained, and carl had left mickey behind at base camp with the rest of their safari party. this is mickey having kind of a classic safari-tile breakfast. that's her in the back, and that little critter on her lap is j.t. jr., being her pet monkey devil who would eventually confirm at least for me lord byron's great statement about truth being stranger than fiction. more on that later. anyway, back on mount kenya. carl had found spoor higher than he ever would have guessed, above the timber line at 14,000 feet, and a little higher in the stagnant marshes where the air was thin as plasma. but right now in the upper bamboo forest as he was creeping along on an ancient and claustrophobic elephant trail, he realized he was now tracking what was very well the biggest bull elephant he had ever come across. but he had also begun to realize to his trembling consternation that at the same time he himself was being hunted by the bull. the trail itself was a kind of maze, a series of interconnected passageways blazed over time that traversed the ele
but by now carl and nicky's marriage was somewhat strained, and carl had left mickey behind at base camp with the rest of their safari party. this is mickey having kind of a classic safari-tile breakfast. that's her in the back, and that little critter on her lap is j.t. jr., being her pet monkey devil who would eventually confirm at least for me lord byron's great statement about truth being stranger than fiction. more on that later. anyway, back on mount kenya. carl had found spoor higher...
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steven vincent bonet, then herbie allen and the last editor, carl carmer. the series was diverse in content and thrived longer than any other such publishing effort. it was one of the most successful literary ventures in publishing history. in addition to the 65 trade editions, there were signed limited editions. there were armed services editions, british editions, young readers' editions and even one title printed in german. and as an example of how things can get complicated, i discovered that the first edition of the hudson carl carmer was issue with the four different dust jackets and end papers. i had to find them all. at our local library, i took hand-written notes of publishers' weekly for articles, publishing ads relating to the series, and i eventually tracks down the few living series authors and illustrators hoping they might provide information about their roles in writing or illustrating the books. from their correspondence and personal interviews, i began to compile first person accounts that provided insight into how the series evolved. i me
steven vincent bonet, then herbie allen and the last editor, carl carmer. the series was diverse in content and thrived longer than any other such publishing effort. it was one of the most successful literary ventures in publishing history. in addition to the 65 trade editions, there were signed limited editions. there were armed services editions, british editions, young readers' editions and even one title printed in german. and as an example of how things can get complicated, i discovered...
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in austin and let carl bear out why he did not think they got to be on the ticket. what's interesting is that dick agreed with him. it took me awhile to persuade vice-president cheney to join as on the ticket. there is a lot of speculation. i will tell you this. i'm glad i picked him in 2000. as i sit here in 2010 and glad i picked him in 2000. he was, in my judgment, a super buys president. >> a couple of people that were not eager for you to run for president in 1999 and 2000 were two people very closely related to you. there is some connection with what you state is your biggest mistake in the 2000 campaign. >> you are referring to my daughter's. you can understand why. they graduated from boston haskell, and the idea of their father running and winning and they go to college with secret service is really not appealing to them. michael is referring to the biggest political mistake of my life, not revealing to the people of texas that i had been arrested for dressed driving. i had been up in maine. i went to a bar. he taught me how to drink beer out of the mob wit
in austin and let carl bear out why he did not think they got to be on the ticket. what's interesting is that dick agreed with him. it took me awhile to persuade vice-president cheney to join as on the ticket. there is a lot of speculation. i will tell you this. i'm glad i picked him in 2000. as i sit here in 2010 and glad i picked him in 2000. he was, in my judgment, a super buys president. >> a couple of people that were not eager for you to run for president in 1999 and 2000 were two...
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>> guest: carl's book, a woman in charge, which i've read, is the strength of that book is that it is very balanced account of hillary clinton. and it has some criticism and it also praises her drive, intelligence and focus. but i have not, and no one i know of, has suggested that she floated this outcome or that she wants to change jobs with vice president biden. in the book, when hillary clinton has decided to accept the post of secretary of state, she talks to one of her political advisers who says, well, it's a no-brainer. take the job. you'll get foreign policy experience. you will kind of heel the relationship with obama, that as you may recall was quite bitter during the primary season in 2008. and if, in 2012, when obama is running for reelection, presumably, he may be in trouble, politically, and need to put hillary clinton on the ticket because of her strength with former voting groups, seniors, working-class voters, women and latinos. so this is how all of this surfaced. i mentioned it in an interview a couple of days ago, and it became one of the minor media feeding frenzy
>> guest: carl's book, a woman in charge, which i've read, is the strength of that book is that it is very balanced account of hillary clinton. and it has some criticism and it also praises her drive, intelligence and focus. but i have not, and no one i know of, has suggested that she floated this outcome or that she wants to change jobs with vice president biden. in the book, when hillary clinton has decided to accept the post of secretary of state, she talks to one of her political...
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i thought it probably wasn't, but then i read carl, carl's book, incredible book, mather horn, and i started to see some of the same things, almost the same guys, actually, in his book, so i'll hand it over to you, and maybe you can talk about that. >> yeah, i was struck as well by that similarity, and i have a feeling we could be talking about genghis khan, and it would not be too much different. a little bit about the background of matterhorn, i was a marine lieutenant, and we were with a company that was situated in the mountains in the jungle very high, about 5 or 6,000 feet right where the laotian border meets the demilitarized zone, and it's the same sort of a situation. it just sort of astounds me how, what -- you know, do we never seem to change things? the book is, essentially, about a fire support base which is named matterhorn which is built at extraordinary cost, and then it's abandoned and because of a mistake is occupied by the north vietnamese army without the bunkers being destroyed, and then it's reassaulted to be taken back, and then it's abandoned. and i remember j
i thought it probably wasn't, but then i read carl, carl's book, incredible book, mather horn, and i started to see some of the same things, almost the same guys, actually, in his book, so i'll hand it over to you, and maybe you can talk about that. >> yeah, i was struck as well by that similarity, and i have a feeling we could be talking about genghis khan, and it would not be too much different. a little bit about the background of matterhorn, i was a marine lieutenant, and we were with...
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i don't know what they're carl sanders has forgiven him or not but last i saw he hasn't but maybe he has by now after this much time has passed. one georgia politician said they called him for governor with madison under one arm and a wall listen to the other and as soon as he was elected he dropped them both, and a drop than he did. in his inaugural address, he announced that the day for the racial discrimination in georgia is over. people in the audience guest because they thought that they had voted for the opposite and they were even a few empty chairs on the stage where former governors were supposed to be seated and didn't show up because they felt he was coming to do something, which he was, that he had not promised. so in 1971, he is inaugurated governor. it was the grandest inauguration of a governor ever seen up to that time in the state of georgia. the good folks where they grew a lot decided they would make this huge portrait of him, which they did and it was hanging over the place where he would stand. the family gets dressed up of course to go to the inauguration and ms
i don't know what they're carl sanders has forgiven him or not but last i saw he hasn't but maybe he has by now after this much time has passed. one georgia politician said they called him for governor with madison under one arm and a wall listen to the other and as soon as he was elected he dropped them both, and a drop than he did. in his inaugural address, he announced that the day for the racial discrimination in georgia is over. people in the audience guest because they thought that they...
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1977, and ed got the support of the main political leadership in harlem, patterson, charlie rangel, carl mccall, and other leaders, fred samuels, and in part because he had promised to keep sidham open. he gets to be mayor and sees the full situation and he says this is a terrible hospital. we're going to close it. but this has horrible political repercussions because they had a constituency to represent. they had gotten a promise from ed, and as they saw it, he broke that promise. >> it's true. >> and the result was enormous, not only enormous demonstrations at the time, there was a sit in at the hospital, big demonstrations around the hospital, eventually it closed. but it created a tremendous -- it created a lingering distrust and lingering bad relations between koch and leaders of the black community. charlie rangel in the course of this, the rhetoric got quite over the top. charlie rangel at one point compared mayor koch to bull connor. because he was mad. and what he was really mad about was, you know, he told ed at one point, you made me a district leader again. i have to be here
1977, and ed got the support of the main political leadership in harlem, patterson, charlie rangel, carl mccall, and other leaders, fred samuels, and in part because he had promised to keep sidham open. he gets to be mayor and sees the full situation and he says this is a terrible hospital. we're going to close it. but this has horrible political repercussions because they had a constituency to represent. they had gotten a promise from ed, and as they saw it, he broke that promise. >>...
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i don't know whether carl sanders have ever for given me. the last i've seen him he hadn't but now after this much time has passed. one georgia politician said that carter ran for governor with maddox on one arm and maddox on the other as soon as he was elected he dropped them both. and drop them he did. in his inaugural address, he announced that the day for racial discrimination in georgia is over. people in the audience gasped because they thought they had voted for the opposite and there's a few empty chairs where former governors were seated but they didn't show up and they thought he was going to do something that he had not promised. so in 1971, he was elected governors. the good folks at camilla where they grew a lot of camillas decided they would make this huge portrait out of camillas which they did and it was hanging over the place where he would stand. the family gets all dressed and ms. lillian is riding with her sister, emily dolphin in the limousine and they get close to wherever they are supposed to be and ms. lillian turns t
i don't know whether carl sanders have ever for given me. the last i've seen him he hadn't but now after this much time has passed. one georgia politician said that carter ran for governor with maddox on one arm and maddox on the other as soon as he was elected he dropped them both. and drop them he did. in his inaugural address, he announced that the day for racial discrimination in georgia is over. people in the audience gasped because they thought they had voted for the opposite and there's...
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my management style was to put it carl and dick in the same room in the governor's mansion and let karl rove air out why he did not think dick ought to be on the ticket and what is interesting is he agreed. it took me awhile to persuade vice president cheney to join us on the ticket. there was a lot of speculation about my relationship with him. i am glad i picked him in 2000 and as i sit here in 2010 i am glad that i picked him in 2000. in my judgment he was a superb vice president. >> host: a couple of people who were not eager for you to run for president were to people very closely related. there is some connection with what you state was your biggest mistake in the 2000 campaign 51 it you are referring to my daughter's. you can understand. just graduating from boston high-school and the idea their father running and running and going to college with the secret service was not appealing. [laughter] michael was referring to the biggest political mistake of my life was not revealing to the people of texas i was arrested for drunk driving. i was up been named a and i went to a bar he t
my management style was to put it carl and dick in the same room in the governor's mansion and let karl rove air out why he did not think dick ought to be on the ticket and what is interesting is he agreed. it took me awhile to persuade vice president cheney to join us on the ticket. there was a lot of speculation about my relationship with him. i am glad i picked him in 2000 and as i sit here in 2010 i am glad that i picked him in 2000. in my judgment he was a superb vice president. >>...
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for those of you who don't know me, i'm glenn carle, -- glenn, the american studies at cornell. i'm here to introduce our speaker to welcome c-span which is filming this event, and i should begin by noting that introductions come in a variety of forms, and a variety of length. there is the short form which oscar handlelin used 30 years ago when introducing my colleague, professor bloomen, who thinks he knows a lot about social history, we'll see. [laughter] i will take us on a somewhat more traditional approach to introducing our speaker. jeff cowie is a professor at cornell university. he got his ba in history at is berkley and from chapel hill in 1997. he teaches labor and working class history. his interests are broad. his book "capitol moves, rca's quest for cheap labor" received the prize for best book in labor in 2000 and edited the meanings of the industrialization. he was extraordinarily knowledgeable about american history in many of its domains including popular culture as well as labor history. he is a superb teacher, a wonderful colleague, a thoroughly decent human b
for those of you who don't know me, i'm glenn carle, -- glenn, the american studies at cornell. i'm here to introduce our speaker to welcome c-span which is filming this event, and i should begin by noting that introductions come in a variety of forms, and a variety of length. there is the short form which oscar handlelin used 30 years ago when introducing my colleague, professor bloomen, who thinks he knows a lot about social history, we'll see. [laughter] i will take us on a somewhat more...
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carl i didn't say that after all but it is possible to have friendships and have a very normal life. i know people don't believe that because you're living in a magnificent mansion with every sort of help including a pastry chef that you can imagine, but i knew the white house to be a home. george and i say there with his mother and dad and, of course, barbara bush made it a home for all of our children and grandchildren and i knew i could do that for barbara and jenna and george. we have lots of longtime friends who came up and visit the thus and stayed with us. >> mrs. bush, there is another bush family book coming out in two months. have you read decision points? >> i have and it's very good. i think people like it. george's book publishes in november, and decision points, and i think people will like it. mary george bush. >> suggestions from you? >> not really. we were both writing our books at the same time ensure researchers, we each have our own researcher who would go to the archives where everything is documented. for instance when i wrote about 9/11 the look at secret servi
carl i didn't say that after all but it is possible to have friendships and have a very normal life. i know people don't believe that because you're living in a magnificent mansion with every sort of help including a pastry chef that you can imagine, but i knew the white house to be a home. george and i say there with his mother and dad and, of course, barbara bush made it a home for all of our children and grandchildren and i knew i could do that for barbara and jenna and george. we have lots...
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her father, founder of the chevy chase country club and a descend daunt of carl karlton and signer of the declaration of independence. the family fell on hard times, and lucy was working as a secretary when franklin met her in 1914. their relationship formed slowly and in 1917, they were an item of gossip in washington. the daughter of tr and eleanor's cousin and the made of honor at eleanor's wedding encouraged the romance between franklin and lucy and sometimes invited the pair for dinner. franklin deserved a good time she said. he was married to eleanor. after the affair broke in 1918, lucy and franklin remained close throughout the president's life. she attended each of his inaugurals in a limousine provided by the secret service, met with fdr often in the 1940s, and with was him the day he died in warm springs. missy lahan quietly confident attractive young woman, joined roosevelt's team in 1923 in the 1920 election. she remained at his side until she suffered a stroke in june of 1941. she was not only his personal secretary, but his constant companion, a surrogate for eleanor an
her father, founder of the chevy chase country club and a descend daunt of carl karlton and signer of the declaration of independence. the family fell on hard times, and lucy was working as a secretary when franklin met her in 1914. their relationship formed slowly and in 1917, they were an item of gossip in washington. the daughter of tr and eleanor's cousin and the made of honor at eleanor's wedding encouraged the romance between franklin and lucy and sometimes invited the pair for dinner....
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and so my management style wasmo that, to put carl and dick many this the same room at the governor's mansion in austin and let karl air out why he didn't think dick ought to be on the ticket. wha what's interesting is that dick agreed with him. [laughter] me so it took a while to persuade viceo president cheney to joins on the ticket. there's a lot of speculation about my relationship with him.n i will tell you this, i'm glad d picked him in 2000. and as i sit here in 2010, i'm glad i picked him in 2000. he was, in my judgment, a superb vices president. sphwhrsh a couple of people. >> a couple of people that were not eager for you to run for president in 1999 and 2000 were two people very closely related to you. and there's some connection there with what you state is your piggest mistake -- biggest mistake in the 2000 campaign -- >> right. >> you're referring to my daughters. >> yeah.ther >> you can understand why.stak they just were graduating from the ideagh school, and of their father running and winning and they go to college with secret can service was just really not appealing
and so my management style wasmo that, to put carl and dick many this the same room at the governor's mansion in austin and let karl air out why he didn't think dick ought to be on the ticket. wha what's interesting is that dick agreed with him. [laughter] me so it took a while to persuade viceo president cheney to joins on the ticket. there's a lot of speculation about my relationship with him.n i will tell you this, i'm glad d picked him in 2000. and as i sit here in 2010, i'm glad i picked...
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i'm trying to present what carl and i used to call the best obtainable version of the truth. >> host: the book, of course, is "obama's wars" and if you're a reader it's available anywhere you buy books. bob woodward returning to c-span as he always does with a book to take your questions. thank you. >> it is an assistant editing manager of the "washington post". he's been a newspaper editor for 40 years. for more information visit bobwoodward.com. angela davis presents a critical edition of for frederick douglass exploring the intellectual life and simple other editions of douglass' memoir. she's joined in conversation by plight city prize -- pulitzer prize winner and nobel peace prize winner, and this program is just under two hours. >> good evening. >> good evening. >> hi, tony. >> hi, angela. i'm sorry about that entrance, i was not doing it for spee -- theetheatrics, but i have a brand new >> a publication has material that a reasonable person would construe as written solely prt furp of communicating information designed to achieve a breakdown. [laughter] not just your average br
i'm trying to present what carl and i used to call the best obtainable version of the truth. >> host: the book, of course, is "obama's wars" and if you're a reader it's available anywhere you buy books. bob woodward returning to c-span as he always does with a book to take your questions. thank you. >> it is an assistant editing manager of the "washington post". he's been a newspaper editor for 40 years. for more information visit bobwoodward.com. angela davis...
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i'm trying to present what carl bernstein and i back in the watergate days used to call the best obtainable version of the truth. >> host: the book "obama's war." if you are a reader, it's available anywhere that you guy books. : abolitionist intellectual life and recalls the several other additions of douglas memoir. angela davis is joined in conversation by nobel and pulitzer prize-winning author toni morrison at the new york public library in new york city. the program is just under two hours. >> the >> evening. >> hi angela. [laughter] i'm sorry about that entrance to but i wasn't doing it for theatrics but i do have a brand new spanking hip. [laughter] i love it, i love it, i love it. but the rest of the body hasn't caught up yet. [laughter] so nobody's moderating? >> we are just talking. we are talking about douglas, libraries, literacy and liberation and when yes, absolutely. let me start with literacy because i have to stop what on the davis i want other people to know about will read it. and obviously interested in literacy. i am impressed with -- well, if only recently discovered
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talk about this kind of thing and what a hero the guy is and the don't understand how you can think carl rove for bob novak, were committing almost according to some people for a lead treasonous despicable acts and celebrate this guy who was out afghans and iraqis working in dangerous circumstances working with american troops overseas, sources and methods on a vast scale and think this guy is wonderful for it. it baffles me. >> host: next call for jonah goldberg. phoenix, you are on the air. >> caller: good afternoon, folks. of the like to ask jonah goldberg, i know william f. buckley was a big influence on you and i think you knew him. >> guest: a little bit. >> caller: question about him. you said your mother -- what is your dad's name? you said they were big influences on you. i was wondering since you are so involved in issues and politics, none of the three of them never did anything in the 60s for the civil-rights movement. lie with a nod in the barricades with martin luther king trying to get civil-rights in this country? are never understood why these conservatives are so revere
talk about this kind of thing and what a hero the guy is and the don't understand how you can think carl rove for bob novak, were committing almost according to some people for a lead treasonous despicable acts and celebrate this guy who was out afghans and iraqis working in dangerous circumstances working with american troops overseas, sources and methods on a vast scale and think this guy is wonderful for it. it baffles me. >> host: next call for jonah goldberg. phoenix, you are on the...
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first of carl -- first of all, 12 minute opening statements dr. berlin's the will be the first than christopher hichens them to have a rebuttal of six minutes each then a speaker recap to say final remarks i will be time keeping time asking these gentlemen not to trample the time limits. then we will move into a question-and-answer time i have questions submitted here i will read them that i will signal when they have received the last question they should give some sort of closing statement and says dr. polanski is going first you'll have the opportunity to go last. that being the case, we will now begin our debates and dr. david brunelleschi plays open for isf. [applause] >> i would like to thank the fixed point* foundation for their outstanding hospitality. [laughter] and two christopher hitchens my pleasure at being allowed to bask in the radiance of his reputation. the proposition and between us ladies and gentlemen, i am perfectly aware that that proposition is fully compatible with the proposition that religion poisons something where chris
first of carl -- first of all, 12 minute opening statements dr. berlin's the will be the first than christopher hichens them to have a rebuttal of six minutes each then a speaker recap to say final remarks i will be time keeping time asking these gentlemen not to trample the time limits. then we will move into a question-and-answer time i have questions submitted here i will read them that i will signal when they have received the last question they should give some sort of closing statement...
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carl i didn't say that after all but it is possible to have friendships and have a very normal life. i know people don't believe that because you're living in a magnificent mansion with every sort of help including a pastry chef that you can imagine, but i knew the white house to be a home. george and i say there with his mother and dad and, of course, barbara bush made it a home for all of our children and grandchildren and i knew i could do that for barbara and jenna and george. we have lots of longtime friends who came up and visit the thus and stayed with us. >> mrs. bush, there is another bush family book coming out in two months. have you read decision points? >> i have and it's very good. i think people like it. george's book publishes in november, and decision points, and i think people will like it. mary george bush. >> suggestions from you? >> not really. we were both writing our books at the same time ensure researchers, we each have our own researcher who would go to the archives where everything is documented. for instance when i wrote about 9/11 the look at secret servi
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with that racial slur, and they didn't like it, and they didn't want their kids -- my older brother carl and i -- to have to deal with that. again, looking generationally, they knew what this was because they saw it happening to their children, and they knew what it was because they were told if you're black, you're not supposed to go to college. you're supposed to be a truck driver -- >> host: who told them this, other blacks? >> guest: yes. >> host: that's surprising. >> guest: particularly in georgia. of all places. >> host: that's like the booker t. washington mentality. >> guest: uh-huh. history has a way of repeating itself and yet another reason why i wanted to write this book, of listening to my granted parents and the story -- grandparents and the stories they had growing up, and my parents' families of not only were you not expected to have higher, loftier goals and aspirations, but people in your community would kind of scratch their head and look at you and say, what do you think you're doing? >> host: could they have seen that as a threat? this. >> guest: absolutely. >> host
with that racial slur, and they didn't like it, and they didn't want their kids -- my older brother carl and i -- to have to deal with that. again, looking generationally, they knew what this was because they saw it happening to their children, and they knew what it was because they were told if you're black, you're not supposed to go to college. you're supposed to be a truck driver -- >> host: who told them this, other blacks? >> guest: yes. >> host: that's surprising....
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they didn't want their kids, my older brother carl and i, to have to deal with that. they knew what this was because they saw it happening to their children, and they knew what it was because they were told if you're black, you're not supposed to go to college. >> host: who told them this, other blacks? >> guest: other blacks. >> host: that's surprising. >> guest: yes. particularly in georgia. georgia of all places. >> host: that's like the booker t. washington mentality. >> guest: uh-huh. and can that's what i find most surprising, history has a way of perpetuating and repeating itself. and yet another reason of why i wanted to write this book, of listening to my grand parents, the stories they had going up and particularly looking at my dad's side of the family as well. my mom's family is from new jersey. not only were you expected to have higher, loftier aspirations, people in the community would look at you like, what do you think you're doing? this. >> host: could they have seen this as a threat? >> guest: absolutely. and sometimes do i think is it just the 1960s
they didn't want their kids, my older brother carl and i, to have to deal with that. they knew what this was because they saw it happening to their children, and they knew what it was because they were told if you're black, you're not supposed to go to college. >> host: who told them this, other blacks? >> guest: other blacks. >> host: that's surprising. >> guest: yes. particularly in georgia. georgia of all places. >> host: that's like the booker t. washington...