karen mcdougal story. and when you look at the charging documents here for trump, there are some hints about where this goes. next. david pecker ends up paying her, but at some point, he decides to not get reimbursed from trump world i'm curious as to why that happened. so this is the opening salvo, but there's more to counter. >> so again, you're not going to find the crime a to z found in any one paragraph of testimony, prosecutors have to build a case here and i think two things jump out at me from that transcript. one, this is a full nine alarm fire in trump world and in the national acquire in pecker's environment, they are, i mean, they're pulling each other out of meetings borderline panicking. the other thing is that establishes a really important chain of communication because this is one of the rare instances. there's a few where david pecker has direct contact with donald trump. most of its with michael cohen and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael co