and another former federal prosecutor from the southern district, district jessica roth. so judge gertner, let me start with you. you've been critical of how judge cannon has handled the case so far, particularly how she's dealt with the presidential records act and proposed jury instructions which you called. and i quote, very, very troubling. you also said in recent weeks, the judges quote, giving credence to arguments that are on their face absurd so what do you make of her ruling today >> well, i want to step back for a second. so what she did today is to say that the presidential records act can't lead to the dismissal of all charges, right? and that to some degree is an easy decision to have made. you can't say, >> i'm leaving with the nuclear plan of attack, because i want to, because i've just decided to. so she said it's not going to be the basis to dismiss, but she's keeping it in play for the trial. so either trump would be able to say or at least for now, she's keeping it in play. i these were personal records even though i never told anyone in the white house