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>> david pecker? >> yeah. >> i felt there were some partings of what he was saying were credible, but he was definitely more inclined to help the former president. >> definitely sounded pro trump throughout his entire thing. >> what was it he said or what was it about his demeanor, hope, that made you think he wanted to help donald trump? >> throughout his entire interview basically, he was talking a lot about, oh, yes, they were, we were referring to the boss, mr. trump. and lots of pro trump language throughout his entire argument. and social studies class, we learn a lot about bias and bias in the media and bias in all different sorts of stories. so it was very interesting to hear how someone actually in court was showing the same bias that we've seen in the media sometimes. >> testimony, also -- >> go ahead, owen. sorry. >> okay. his testimony also reflected how crucial this whole case michael cohen is and will be when he takes the stand in a few weeks. >> i have to ask you both very quickly, what
>> david pecker? >> yeah. >> i felt there were some partings of what he was saying were credible, but he was definitely more inclined to help the former president. >> definitely sounded pro trump throughout his entire thing. >> what was it he said or what was it about his demeanor, hope, that made you think he wanted to help donald trump? >> throughout his entire interview basically, he was talking a lot about, oh, yes, they were, we were referring to the...
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pecker ran "the inquirer." prosecutor questioned michael cohen about that stuff while he was on the stand. this is the type of stuff that might be read back out to the jury tomorrow. i can tell you right now, we know they asked cohen, what did pecker say he could do for trump's candidacy. cohen recounted, he said he'd keep an eye out for anything negative. he could help, know in advance what's coming out and stop it from coming out. how much does that match? well, pecker recounted, quote, i said that anything i hear in the marketplace, if i hear anything negative about yourself or if i hear anything about women selling stories, i would notify michael cohen, as i did, over the last several years. i'm going to keep reading because this is what the jury's likely to be given tomorrow, as they do the review. pecker continuing, i would notify michael cohen. and then he'd be able to have them killed in another magazine or have them purchased. or somebody would have to purchase them. the d.a. follows up, purchase the n
pecker ran "the inquirer." prosecutor questioned michael cohen about that stuff while he was on the stand. this is the type of stuff that might be read back out to the jury tomorrow. i can tell you right now, we know they asked cohen, what did pecker say he could do for trump's candidacy. cohen recounted, he said he'd keep an eye out for anything negative. he could help, know in advance what's coming out and stop it from coming out. how much does that match? well, pecker recounted,...
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pecker yes, it was. steinglass, then asked, were you aware that expenditures made by corporations for the purpose of influencing an election are unlawful? yes, pecker responded. then steinglass, the prosecutor, asked pecker why he bought mcdougal's story. pecker said, we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any other organization. we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrass or hurt the campaign. all of this laying the groundwork for what happened later in 2016 when pecker heard the story about trump and adult film star stormy daniels. keep in mind, pecker heard about it, one day after the "access hollywood" tape exploded the presidential campaign landscape, when it was released and made public. the trump campaign was in frantic damage control mode. pecker said that cohen in that time period asked him to pay for stormy daniels' story and even in that frantic damage control moment pecker refused, telling cohen, quote, i'm not purchasing the story. i'm not going to be involved
pecker yes, it was. steinglass, then asked, were you aware that expenditures made by corporations for the purpose of influencing an election are unlawful? yes, pecker responded. then steinglass, the prosecutor, asked pecker why he bought mcdougal's story. pecker said, we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any other organization. we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrass or hurt the campaign. all of this laying the groundwork for what happened later in 2016...
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pecker replied, yes. what's the significance there? >> so, chris, at the end of the trial, the judge is going to instruct the jury that the defense does not have to prove anything. it's the prosecution that has the heavy burden of proof, so mr. bove's shot is to plant reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. so his cross examination is trying to suggest to the jury that the prosecution's first witness is compromised, and thus, he's not credible. if he admits to wrongdoing, then he's going to lose money from this deal with trying to sell the "national enquirer" and that's also why mr. bove is focused on pecker's non-prosecution deal. he wants the jury to think that pecker is basically marching to alvin bragg's orders because pecker doesn't want to go to jail himself. so that's also why he told the jury that trump thanked -- that trump had thanked mr. pecker a few days before the inauguration even though mr. pecker earlier told the fbi that trump had not thanked him. so chris, for an effective cross exa
pecker replied, yes. what's the significance there? >> so, chris, at the end of the trial, the judge is going to instruct the jury that the defense does not have to prove anything. it's the prosecution that has the heavy burden of proof, so mr. bove's shot is to plant reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. so his cross examination is trying to suggest to the jury that the prosecution's first witness is compromised, and thus, he's not credible. if he admits to wrongdoing, then he's...
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david pecker says yes. steinglass says, did he ever say he was concerned about melania or how ivanka might feel. pecker says no, he invited me to the inauguration and he was going to get a cell phone number. that never transpired. pecker says he did not go to the inauguration and he asked his wife, and she said she didn't want to go either, so they didn't go. this is pecker saying this was -- part of the defense argument has been this is about protecting melania. he didn't want to embarrass me -- melania. and pecker said it was more about the campaign. >> it's on two levels. legally it's important. to have the campaign finance why it's a felony, this is so called john edwards defense, i did this for my family, not the campaign. the principal with the agreement with the other principal, david becker, donald trump. to have him say this was about the campaign, not his personal family goes directly to the legal theory. on the emotional side, just imagine you're a juror, you're in court, donald trump is sitting
david pecker says yes. steinglass says, did he ever say he was concerned about melania or how ivanka might feel. pecker says no, he invited me to the inauguration and he was going to get a cell phone number. that never transpired. pecker says he did not go to the inauguration and he asked his wife, and she said she didn't want to go either, so they didn't go. this is pecker saying this was -- part of the defense argument has been this is about protecting melania. he didn't want to embarrass me...
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pecker answers yes. so clearly the idea, the challenged memory, challenge his credibility, do you think that's effective? >> it's minimally effective. i mean, they're suggesting that the prosecutor refreshed his memory and he's saying what the prosecutor wants, but remember, all these other celebrities you started to think maybe this is the david pecker show. with schwarzenegger, for example. all we know is what was in the tabloid media so we don't have any inside information, but it surely appeared that part of his motive was to protect his marriage because we saw publicly that when this all came out about his mistress and the child that his marriage broke out. well, i think they're going to be going there and suggesting with trump that there were alternate motives and the people are not able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was to influence the election. >> but that piece was something that the prosecution got out in front of yesterday in its questioning of david pecker and perhaps it will co
pecker answers yes. so clearly the idea, the challenged memory, challenge his credibility, do you think that's effective? >> it's minimally effective. i mean, they're suggesting that the prosecutor refreshed his memory and he's saying what the prosecutor wants, but remember, all these other celebrities you started to think maybe this is the david pecker show. with schwarzenegger, for example. all we know is what was in the tabloid media so we don't have any inside information, but it...
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this is pecker on director. what did you understand the purpose of the trump tower meeting to be before you actually got there? most of the time when i received a call from michael cohen he wanted something, i assumed they were going to ask. i was going to be asked for something. i didn't know what it was before i got there. prosecutor, can you describe for the jury what happened at the meeting please? david pecker, at the meeting donald trump and michael, they asked me what i can do and what my magazines can do to help the campaign. so thinking about it as i did previously i said what i would do is i would run or publish positive stories about mr. trump and i would publish negative stories about his opponents. and i said that i would also be the eyes and ears of your -- i said i would be the eyes and ears because i know that the trump organization had a very small staff, and then i said that anything i hear in the marketplace if i hear anything negative about yourself or if i hear anything about women selling s
this is pecker on director. what did you understand the purpose of the trump tower meeting to be before you actually got there? most of the time when i received a call from michael cohen he wanted something, i assumed they were going to ask. i was going to be asked for something. i didn't know what it was before i got there. prosecutor, can you describe for the jury what happened at the meeting please? david pecker, at the meeting donald trump and michael, they asked me what i can do and what...
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call that they are looking at between pecker and trump, he asks pecker, or he tells pecker, i should say, i spoke to michael. karen is a nice girl. that line stands out, right? he seems to also confirm it sounds like -- he knows mcdougal. >> that's how pecker took it. they actually asked pecker. >> if you didn't know, wouldn't you deny it. it's human nature to look towards what's the natural reaction and his natural -- donald trump's natural reaction was not who? what are you talking about? who is that? i mean, if you think about trump meeting all of these, quote, beautiful women all the time. he didn't say who. she's a nice lady. she's a beautiful lady. i mean, that's the thing that makes pecker so credible. my mentor and friend donald trump still. i mean, consider what pecker's been through. he's lost money with trump, right? he's been shafted by him. he's gone through the fec, the sdny, the manhattan d.a. dude's not even at the "national enquirer" anymore because of all of this, and what does he get for it? he's still my friend and mentor. the credibility of pecker is powerful. th
call that they are looking at between pecker and trump, he asks pecker, or he tells pecker, i should say, i spoke to michael. karen is a nice girl. that line stands out, right? he seems to also confirm it sounds like -- he knows mcdougal. >> that's how pecker took it. they actually asked pecker. >> if you didn't know, wouldn't you deny it. it's human nature to look towards what's the natural reaction and his natural -- donald trump's natural reaction was not who? what are you...
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pecker. and when he says, for instance, that trump was detail oriented or micromanager, how would he know that? he would know that because they have spent so much time together. he would know that because they have discussed business together. so, you're laying the foundation in many ways, and, by the way, you're not just doing it through mr. pecker. he's, you know, witness number one on days number one and two. they're going to be many more witnesses, and they're going -- the prosecutors are going to ask all the witnesses how do you know the things that you say you know? what is the basis for it. all of that foundational testimony tells the jury in essence, you can trust the government's case. >> so, catherine, the prosecution has been drilling down on alleged conspiracy. hatch, between these three guys that now infamous trump tower meeting, and, vaughn talked about this, as part of that, they allege pecker agreed to be the eyes and ears of the campaign. the eyes and ears. publish flattering
pecker. and when he says, for instance, that trump was detail oriented or micromanager, how would he know that? he would know that because they have spent so much time together. he would know that because they have discussed business together. so, you're laying the foundation in many ways, and, by the way, you're not just doing it through mr. pecker. he's, you know, witness number one on days number one and two. they're going to be many more witnesses, and they're going -- the prosecutors are...
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pecker's testimony on direct. directing your attention to a couple of months later, now in august of 2015. did there come a time when you attended a meeting at trump tower, answer, yes. do you remember when roughly that meeting was in august? answer, it was in the middle of august. and who was present for that meeting? answer, donald trump, michael cohen, and hope hicks. was hope hicks there the whole time or was she in and out? she was in and out. how about michael cohen and donald trump, were they there for the duration of the meeting. how did the meeting come about? how did you know to go? i received a call from michael cohen telling me that the boss wanted to see me. that's how when i spoke to michael cohen, he referred to donald trump as the boss. what did you understand the purpose of the meeting to be before you actually got there? pecker testifies, most of the time when i receive a call from michael cohen, he wanted something. so i assume that they were going to ask or that i was going to be asked for some
pecker's testimony on direct. directing your attention to a couple of months later, now in august of 2015. did there come a time when you attended a meeting at trump tower, answer, yes. do you remember when roughly that meeting was in august? answer, it was in the middle of august. and who was present for that meeting? answer, donald trump, michael cohen, and hope hicks. was hope hicks there the whole time or was she in and out? she was in and out. how about michael cohen and donald trump, were...
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david pecker responded, that's right. of course, at the heart of the charges here, falsifying business records, is specifically the stormy daniels payment and the reimbursement of michael cohen by donald trump. and what david pecker is now saying is that he never intended to be a part of the stormy daniels story here in the first place. another aspect of this here is the fact that they are going through some of the prior meetings that david pecker had testified about. one of them that they're currently discussing now is david pecker on january of 2017 walking into a trump tower meeting, just weeks before donald trump was sworn in as president, a meeting that included the likes of reince priebus, sean spicer and james comey and they're getting into the gritty details of exactly what david pecker's role is a part of all of these meetings was and the extent to which donald trump was using these opportunities to ensure the silence of some of these key figures. jose? >> this is a continuing issue, this meeting and as well as o
david pecker responded, that's right. of course, at the heart of the charges here, falsifying business records, is specifically the stormy daniels payment and the reimbursement of michael cohen by donald trump. and what david pecker is now saying is that he never intended to be a part of the stormy daniels story here in the first place. another aspect of this here is the fact that they are going through some of the prior meetings that david pecker had testified about. one of them that they're...
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pecker, yes. and the fact that pecker agreed to not publish a story about a playboy model's year-long alleged affair with a presidential candidate is only further proof this is not just about doing good business because pecker admitted such a story would have been, quote, "national enquirer" gold. the prosecution asked, at the time you entered into the agreement, you had zero intention of publication even if it would have helped the bottom line. you killed it because it would have hurt president trump. to which pecker answered, correct. and before the court wrapped for the week, the jury heard from two other witnesses, first was trump's longtime assistant and gate keeper, rhona graff, for a brief line of questioning authenticating both karen mcdougal and stormy daniels' contact information were in trump's computer. during cross-examination, she did admit to hearing conversations about daniels potentially being thought of as a contestant for celebrity apprentice. the other witness is much more obsc
pecker, yes. and the fact that pecker agreed to not publish a story about a playboy model's year-long alleged affair with a presidential candidate is only further proof this is not just about doing good business because pecker admitted such a story would have been, quote, "national enquirer" gold. the prosecution asked, at the time you entered into the agreement, you had zero intention of publication even if it would have helped the bottom line. you killed it because it would have...
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what you heard from david pecker was about that agreement, that donald trump, david pecker, and michael cohen had to unlawfully influence the election. and they talked about and testified about this 2016 meeting where they anticipated that women may come forward and have damaging stories about trump that could hurt the campaign. david pecker testified that he was going to be the eyes and ears of this campaign, and that he was going to alert michael cohen and the campaign about anything that would be damaging so, to make sure those stories didn't see the light of day. however, what is really significant, for the conversations pecker testified, dealing directly with donald trump. both before the election and after the election. before the election, testified about talking to him about the story, trying to kill the story with karen mcdougal. after the election, he testified about conversations where donald trump thanked him for making sure those damaging stories did not see the light of day. the defense tried to act as though this was all business as usual, but that really backfired, becau
what you heard from david pecker was about that agreement, that donald trump, david pecker, and michael cohen had to unlawfully influence the election. and they talked about and testified about this 2016 meeting where they anticipated that women may come forward and have damaging stories about trump that could hurt the campaign. david pecker testified that he was going to be the eyes and ears of this campaign, and that he was going to alert michael cohen and the campaign about anything that...
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david pecker is a narrator for this case. and he's laying out the scheme, the multiple times that they killed any bad evidence against donald trump, and that they promoted bad evidence against his opponents. so you have this, you know, like you're building a house and now you have the framework. then you get to michael cohen, and it's already been built up, so he sounds sensible and okay. and then you have the documents. and you can't rebut the documents. donald trump signed those checks. you have the tape recordings. donald trump said, oh, yeah, i know, let's just use cash. no, no, no. so i think the defense really has its work cut out for it. one of the senior people on the watergate case, one said, you know, there are some cases that no one can win. there are some cases where you have to pound the table with the facts because you have the facts. some where you have the law, you emphasize the law, and some where you don't have anything. and even clarence darryl couldn't win the case. so i don't think blanch is clarence daro
david pecker is a narrator for this case. and he's laying out the scheme, the multiple times that they killed any bad evidence against donald trump, and that they promoted bad evidence against his opponents. so you have this, you know, like you're building a house and now you have the framework. then you get to michael cohen, and it's already been built up, so he sounds sensible and okay. and then you have the documents. and you can't rebut the documents. donald trump signed those checks. you...
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>> a friend of pecker. you're on a no-fly list which means you're a protected species and there are no negative stories about you, and harvey weinstein inked a deal to produce something called radar tv, which never came to fruition, but it contained a lot of meetings between dylan howard and harvey weinstein, and requested came my way for damaging information on women that went on to recuse harvey weinstein of sexual assault. >> let's talk about these various meetings that pecker winds up in the white house. >> there were a couple really memorable meetings that david pecker talked about today. one involved a meeting right after donald trump is elected. and he gets a call from donald trump's secretary saying the president-elect would like to see you. david pecker comes over to trump tower and he's a bit overwhelmed by all the security. and jared kushner sees him and taps him on the shoulder and says come with me. he escorts david pecker up to trump's office. he walks in and he sees this incredible assembly o
>> a friend of pecker. you're on a no-fly list which means you're a protected species and there are no negative stories about you, and harvey weinstein inked a deal to produce something called radar tv, which never came to fruition, but it contained a lot of meetings between dylan howard and harvey weinstein, and requested came my way for damaging information on women that went on to recuse harvey weinstein of sexual assault. >> let's talk about these various meetings that pecker...
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pecker continuing. i would notify michael cohen and have them killed or somebody would have to purchase them. and then listen to this. the da's team follows up. purchase the negative stories about mr. trump so they would not get published you mean? and pecker confirms that they would not get published. yes. i would run or public positive stories about trump. and i would publish negative stories about his opponents. i said i would be your eyes and ears. if you are thinking i get the point, you need to get the point beyond a reasonable doubt if they are going to win. all of this stuff is supposed to be dead to rights and we know in the da's closing arguments which will not be reread tomorrow but are relevant, prosecutor steinglass said the prism through which you should examine things. trying to become more powerful by controlling the flow of information that could reach the voters. the question is not one of rhetoric or ideology, it is, is that true and proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they did that
pecker continuing. i would notify michael cohen and have them killed or somebody would have to purchase them. and then listen to this. the da's team follows up. purchase the negative stories about mr. trump so they would not get published you mean? and pecker confirms that they would not get published. yes. i would run or public positive stories about trump. and i would publish negative stories about his opponents. i said i would be your eyes and ears. if you are thinking i get the point, you...
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former "national enquirer" ceo david pecker. the defense spent hours trying to trip him up, catch him in contradictions, even introducing several instances where they say pecker's recollection of key events had changed over time. but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to start with you because you're a defense attorney and you're new to this table. it's a challenge, right, no matter how many times the defense keeps going back and back and back to david pecker, trying to show this wasn't about the campaign, which is what you did, this is standard operating procedure, they said that over and
former "national enquirer" ceo david pecker. the defense spent hours trying to trip him up, catch him in contradictions, even introducing several instances where they say pecker's recollection of key events had changed over time. but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard...
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pecker, increase. how often were you in touch with michael cohen after trump announced his candidacy? pecker, maybe daily. one of the most interesting things that happens today with pecker is what's been public facing trump, cohen, stormy, macdougal. what happened today was trump, pecker, and everybody else. i mean, the chart of the hush money election interference, corporate criminal enterprise totally changed. >> and you really see the impact of pecker and the "national enquirer" and how it plays into kind of the center hub of media, politics, consumerism, and the fact that he's -- obviously, there's legal decisions, but it's a shame. because there was a real, real -- he was -- he was more of a fiction than michael cohen in certain ways. >> and more influential. what dawned on me, i wondered from the outside, pomeranz's book, you wonder what bragg did with the time between the first team that looks at the facts and the charging of trump. clearly what they did, with 22 meetings with michael cohen, the
pecker, increase. how often were you in touch with michael cohen after trump announced his candidacy? pecker, maybe daily. one of the most interesting things that happens today with pecker is what's been public facing trump, cohen, stormy, macdougal. what happened today was trump, pecker, and everybody else. i mean, the chart of the hush money election interference, corporate criminal enterprise totally changed. >> and you really see the impact of pecker and the "national...
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let's talk about the role of david pecker. his credibility, once it's evaluated by the jurors -- he was the first witness and the feature witness of the trial so far -- is to take some of the burden to of michael cohen, who is obviously -- has damage connected to him being convicted and having admitted to perjury in the past and served time for that. >> right. that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was donald trump's pick not prosecutor's pick. we are seeing this process that defense lawyer goes through in cross-examination. as vaughn said, they can't argue the evidence when they are cross-examining the witness. they are collecting coins that they hope will turn out to be valuable in closing argument when they can go back and argue to the jury. you can't really believe these people, they are not credible. >> the other thing, catherine, is this gag order hearing. judge merchan set it for next thursday. that's another week before dealing with the
let's talk about the role of david pecker. his credibility, once it's evaluated by the jurors -- he was the first witness and the feature witness of the trial so far -- is to take some of the burden to of michael cohen, who is obviously -- has damage connected to him being convicted and having admitted to perjury in the past and served time for that. >> right. that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was...
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pecker responds yes. for the first time in the public record, we're getting david pecker corroborating what michael cohen for years has now articulated about that meeting. to note, hope hicks could well be a witness. pecker has testified hope hicks was in and out of this meeting. so we could very well get more corroborating testimony as it pertains to that exact meeting in trump tower in august of 2015. >> so chuck, is this the beginning of trying to build up the credibility of michael cohen? who was obviously a flawed witness. a convicted admitted perjurer. >> building up mr. cohen's credibility, andrea, might be a long walk through dry sand. he's a criminal and a liar, but that doesn't mean he's not telling the truth here at trial. so what you're really trying to do is corroborate him. and by the way, i have said this before, in many years as a prosecutor, i wish all of my witnesses were nuns and librarians but they're not the ones who are around when crimes are committed. this may sound trite and it ma
pecker responds yes. for the first time in the public record, we're getting david pecker corroborating what michael cohen for years has now articulated about that meeting. to note, hope hicks could well be a witness. pecker has testified hope hicks was in and out of this meeting. so we could very well get more corroborating testimony as it pertains to that exact meeting in trump tower in august of 2015. >> so chuck, is this the beginning of trying to build up the credibility of michael...
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the answer from david pecker, quote, yes. he added, the actual purpose was to acquire lifetime rights so it was not published by any other news organization. pecker said it was standard to suppress stories to help a friend or to use as leverage with a celebrity, this was catch and kill in order to influence a presidential election. now with court adjourned for the weekend, it's all systems go as we head into next week with key testimony still ahead. this is where we start the hour with some of our most favorite reports and friends. two people inside the courtroom today, investigative reporter susan craig and former u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant attorney general harry litman. lucky for us, andrew is still here as is lockland. sue, we start with you and your wonderful notebook. >> i have to say i think the most interesting part of today was the contination of that agreement that karen mcdougal had. donald trump's lawyers really tried to muddy the water on it. put some poison in the ear that karen mcdougal got someth
the answer from david pecker, quote, yes. he added, the actual purpose was to acquire lifetime rights so it was not published by any other news organization. pecker said it was standard to suppress stories to help a friend or to use as leverage with a celebrity, this was catch and kill in order to influence a presidential election. now with court adjourned for the weekend, it's all systems go as we head into next week with key testimony still ahead. this is where we start the hour with some of...
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with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well, it was smart, katie, and i am reminded that it was you who first said that you thought david pecker would be a great kickoff witness. i think that's the case, right? this is someone who doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen, and who tells the origin story. he has now walked us through the election interference conspiracy. this is now patch and kill to elect trump. that's the case that the prosecution will put on. they've done a great job of giving the jury sort of the basics, the land marks and the road map that they'll move ahead on
with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well,...
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one, this was not pecker's first rodeo. and two, pecker was always serving pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of this payment had nothing to do with benefitting donald trump's campaign. trump for pecker was good business as he had always been, but that doesn't to your point undermine the fact it's still an election law violation and david pecker knew it at the time. >> let me interject, though. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for 17 years in terms of burying stories and get him happy and contribute daand all that stuff. and then once trump's campaign started in 2015 and 2017, that's when pecker started paying to shut people up for the first time. i mean prosecution said in their opening statement monday that that was only once trump had his presidential campaign going, that was the first time they ever paid anyone -- paid anyone for information about trump. it's a qualitatively different process at that point. >> i agree with that and the payments were abnormal even by enquirer standards. pecker testified a
one, this was not pecker's first rodeo. and two, pecker was always serving pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of this payment had nothing to do with benefitting donald trump's campaign. trump for pecker was good business as he had always been, but that doesn't to your point undermine the fact it's still an election law violation and david pecker knew it at the time. >> let me interject, though. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for...
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pecker. that's the jury like? what's donald trump like in that room? >> well, i would say everybody is really attentive today, which hasn't always as you know been the case. donald trump's attention kind of fluctuates. he has come in on days and been extraordinarily bored. but when the subject is donald trump and donald trump directly, he stands at attention and he was very curious to hear how david pecker would describe his relationship. i would say his expression for the most part was fairly even. he was neither snarling at pecker as he sometimes does when he heads down the aisle and exits the courtroom and sees the press assembled, but he wasn't exactly friendly. my best recollection of the interaction was when pecker came into the courtroom yesterday and donald trump was almost like leaning around the table so he could get as close a look at david pecker's face as he could. it was as if he were daring pecker, you knew me for decades. make eye contact with me now. and pecker didn't seem to
pecker. that's the jury like? what's donald trump like in that room? >> well, i would say everybody is really attentive today, which hasn't always as you know been the case. donald trump's attention kind of fluctuates. he has come in on days and been extraordinarily bored. but when the subject is donald trump and donald trump directly, he stands at attention and he was very curious to hear how david pecker would describe his relationship. i would say his expression for the most part was...
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david pecker will be back. he spoke for about 30 minutes or so in testimony yesterday after those opening statements. anything that stuck out to you and just how important is he to this case? >> david pecker may in fact be the people's star witness and not michael cohen. david pecker may ultimately be a better witness for a few different reasons. number one, he has some baggage, but he doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen. number two, he's going to lay the foundation of this pre-existing relationship and this catch and kill arrangement. and that's going to match up to a lot of documents that the state is going to introduce. number three, he was a friend of donald trump's. so his testimony may be more credible for that reason. he may be testifying about something we're not anticipating, and it might be about a direct conversation with donald trump, because, remember, that there were these entries in business records can be shown from the records with the state, with the people need to show is donald trump
david pecker will be back. he spoke for about 30 minutes or so in testimony yesterday after those opening statements. anything that stuck out to you and just how important is he to this case? >> david pecker may in fact be the people's star witness and not michael cohen. david pecker may ultimately be a better witness for a few different reasons. number one, he has some baggage, but he doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen. number two, he's going to lay the foundation of this...
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was paying trump money, and it shows trump trusts pecker, so when trump goes to pecker, and this testimony will come out, about covering up various sorted issues that he thinks will interfere with the election, pecker is somebody he could count on. we will see what will develop in the testimony. i cannot imagine it will end today and will probably go on until tomorrow. >> what about this whole gag order and the issues that have been brought up to the court this morning, the judge apparently has not ruled on that, but how do you see that? >> it's interesting, josÉ. every judge that i have spoken to has said they would not lock trump up. judges are very reluctant to do that, but he will reach a point where if trump continues to violate the gag order and it certainly appears he did violate the gag order, he will have to do something. as chuck rosenberg said earlier, sequestering the jury is a difficult thing because it's harmful to a juror. sometimes it facilitates a quicker verdict because the jurors just want to go home. so marchand will have to do something, and it's something he could tr
was paying trump money, and it shows trump trusts pecker, so when trump goes to pecker, and this testimony will come out, about covering up various sorted issues that he thinks will interfere with the election, pecker is somebody he could count on. we will see what will develop in the testimony. i cannot imagine it will end today and will probably go on until tomorrow. >> what about this whole gag order and the issues that have been brought up to the court this morning, the judge...
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. >> david pecker. the first witness in the new york case. >> all right, good morning, everybody. welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, april 24th. along with willie and me we have a member of the "the new york times" editorial board maya and sam stein. our top story has to do with pecker. >> i think you're enjoying saying his name. testimony in donald trump's hush money criminal trial is scheduled to resume tomorrow after several key developments in court yesterday. first, the judge held a hearing at the start of tuesday's proceedings on whether the former president had violated his gag order. prosecutors have asked the judge to fine him $1,000 for each violation. trump's attorney said he hasn't violated the order. he was, quote, being careful about complying with the order. but the judge expressed extreme frustration with that argument, telling his attorney saying, quote, losing all credibility with the court. any violation of the gag order in articles he repost to social media is unintentional. >
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so, david pecker testified. he consulted with an election attorney, a special attorney who does election law. and then he ran the karen mcdougal agreement by his own company's general counsel, their top lawyer. now, both of those are privileged conversations between attorney and client so david pecker didn't go into details. but, a prosecutor asked him based on that conversation, did you come to the decision you no longer wanted to be reimbursed for the money that ami had laid out to acquire karen mcdougal's lifetime rate ? david pecker responded, "yes, that is correct." "i called michael cohen, i said the agreement, the assignment deal is off. i'm not going forward. it is a bad idea. i want you to rip up the agreement. " in other words, david pecker had a brush with this in the past, campaign finance law and how it is located in a catch and kill scheme for a candidate, thought about them doing the same thing here, had a talk with his lawyer, decided receiving the money for the express purpose of paying off trum
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they wanted david pecker's testimony regarding the phone conversation with donald trump while pecker was in the investor meeting. they wanted pecker's testimony regarding his decision not to finalize and fund karen macdougal's life rights. they wanted pecker's testimony regarding the august 15 trump tower meeting. they wanted michael cohen's testimony regarding the trump tower meeting per judge marchan's jury instructions. they went right to pecker's testimony. >> and two of those requests relate back to that meeting at trump tower in august of 2015, two months after donald trump announces that he is running for election. david pecker is called by michael cohen. he actually says he knew they wanted something, that's the only reason he ever heard from michael cohen. when he goes there they say what can you do for us, to help the campaign? he says, open the eyes and ears, i'll purchase negative stories off the market while running negative stories about your rivals and helping promote donald trump. that is the layering of this conspiracy to influence the 2016 election. and then what ha
they wanted david pecker's testimony regarding the phone conversation with donald trump while pecker was in the investor meeting. they wanted pecker's testimony regarding his decision not to finalize and fund karen macdougal's life rights. they wanted pecker's testimony regarding the august 15 trump tower meeting. they wanted michael cohen's testimony regarding the trump tower meeting per judge marchan's jury instructions. they went right to pecker's testimony. >> and two of those...
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i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors and i said, did he pay her parents? he said no, and this guy said i had to sue to get their money. i said okay, well, they got $.50 on the dollar back in the guy says you know what? they voted for trump. why if they believe he cheated them on their money? he said because, if you cheat says he will cheat everybody else on behalf of america, cheat the rest of the world on behalf of america. there is an interesting dynamic. it's a view, of him as somebody who is able to manipulate the system to work the system, bypass the system, whatever it is, that see
i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors...
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this idea of friends of pecker, fops, a friend of pecker, so trump gets a free ride. it is nothing to do with journalism. in fact, david pecker is revealing himself not to be a news man. he's an advertiser, a marketering, and his product was donald trump. >> when he gave him something about an estimate of $3 million a month of free advertising. he created a magazine that was a quarterly magazine that's literally just about donald trump. he was talking about it in these weird reverential terms. he was asked what can you do to help the campaign? he's oh, i know what i can do. we're going to find all these negative stories. >> your, quote, eyes and ears. and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just
this idea of friends of pecker, fops, a friend of pecker, so trump gets a free ride. it is nothing to do with journalism. in fact, david pecker is revealing himself not to be a news man. he's an advertiser, a marketering, and his product was donald trump. >> when he gave him something about an estimate of $3 million a month of free advertising. he created a magazine that was a quarterly magazine that's literally just about donald trump. he was talking about it in these weird reverential...
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pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on 60 minutes. >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker said trump called him. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging credibility and business practice. at a campaign event earlier in the day mr. trump addressed the testimony of his longtime friend. >> david has been a nice guy. >> did you know about the payment to stormy daniels before the 2020 election? >> reporter: pecker also testified today about the payment his company did make the former playboy model karen mcdougal to keep her alleged affair with mr. trump quiet. pecker said he coor
pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on 60 minutes. >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker said trump called him. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she...
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and you mentioned dave pecker. pecker, the jury is asking for more testimony from david pecker, and i wonder what that signals to you. >> it's a good day for the prosecutors is what it signals to me. so joshua steinglass in his closing said -- and just took my notes like multiple times about each of these pieces of evidence he said for the trump tower meeting this is really the prism through which you should analyze the evidence in this case, and they asked for testimony about it. with respect to the call that they asked about in june 2016 between pecker and trump, again we're focusing on trump's role. you know, with all the evidence of documents in this case, it's easy to lose sight of the significance of this phone call. and walks them through why it's so significant, right? because this is donald trump directly talking about paying off, you know, karen mcdougal and deputizing michael cohen as the person that he should deal with after that. >> so it's the rosetta stone for the conspiracy. >> yes. and even the mcd
and you mentioned dave pecker. pecker, the jury is asking for more testimony from david pecker, and i wonder what that signals to you. >> it's a good day for the prosecutors is what it signals to me. so joshua steinglass in his closing said -- and just took my notes like multiple times about each of these pieces of evidence he said for the trump tower meeting this is really the prism through which you should analyze the evidence in this case, and they asked for testimony about it. with...
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and, two, david pecker was always serving david pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of the payment had nothing to do with benefiting donald trump's campaign, trump the david pecker was good business as he had always been. that doesn't, to your point,, and the fact that it is still a federal election law violation. more importantly, as david pecker acknowledged in his direct, he knew it at the time. >> let me interject. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for 17 years in terms of reading stories and trying to keep him happy and trying to get them to contribute and all of that stuff and then once trump campaign started in 2015 and 2016, that is when david pecker started paying to shut people up for the first time. persecution said in their opening statement on monday that that was only once trump had his presidential campaign going, that was the first time they ever paid anyone, paid anyone for information about trump. it is qualitatively process at that point. >> i agree with that. and,
and, two, david pecker was always serving david pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of the payment had nothing to do with benefiting donald trump's campaign, trump the david pecker was good business as he had always been. that doesn't, to your point,, and the fact that it is still a federal election law violation. more importantly, as david pecker acknowledged in his direct, he knew it at the time. >> let me interject. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to...
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read back the testimony of david pecker. they're not supposed to use them, okay, this is what the law and falsifying business records means and try to convince the other jurors. it's supposed to be, i don't remember what the law means, let's have the judge read it back. everyone is different. i'm a note taker. i have to write down things, otherwise i don't remember them, and otherwise don't write them down. it's really, i think, helpful for some people, like me, who need to remember things that are important but hopefully the juror will remember, okay, this is just my recollection. let me actually hear what that witness testified to by having the court reporter read it back. >> and i wonder if it can be helpful in this sense and some jurors i talked to, they said, well, in fact most of the jurors i have talked to have said, well, we started with an initial, you know, guilty, not guilty, not sure. and in asking questions, why are you so sure they're guilty, not guilty or unsure, somebody will say, well, i have it here that da
read back the testimony of david pecker. they're not supposed to use them, okay, this is what the law and falsifying business records means and try to convince the other jurors. it's supposed to be, i don't remember what the law means, let's have the judge read it back. everyone is different. i'm a note taker. i have to write down things, otherwise i don't remember them, and otherwise don't write them down. it's really, i think, helpful for some people, like me, who need to remember things that...
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pecker allows them to do that. then they have to put in witnesses who will have to walk through some of the routine legal things like how do you get into the documents for let's bring in the banker. how do you verify it is his email server? you bring in his assistance but having pecker as the first witness gives them a road map of where they are going and i think the trump team knew it wasn't going to be michael cohen first. there was no antagonistic fireworks right away. they were careful with pecker to not beat him up on the stand. he still considers donald trump a friend. i am interesting -- i think it will be fascinating. she, again, has known him for so long. she was working at star magazine that she goes way back with donald trump. >> she was in that crucial meeting in august 2015 where they cooked up this plan where david pecker would be the eyes and ears of the campaign and she was walking in and out of the meeting. what did she hear? i think that will go to corroborate michael cohen when he gets on the ste
pecker allows them to do that. then they have to put in witnesses who will have to walk through some of the routine legal things like how do you get into the documents for let's bring in the banker. how do you verify it is his email server? you bring in his assistance but having pecker as the first witness gives them a road map of where they are going and i think the trump team knew it wasn't going to be michael cohen first. there was no antagonistic fireworks right away. they were careful with...
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>> of david pecker? >> yeah. >> i think they're going to do everything they can to showhe hs a liar, what he's saying is not only ill-informed but he's doing it because he got a non pros cushion agreement. theno u.s. attorney's office ha forced a his hand, forced him there today, and he's trying to cover his bases by lying. poke holes in the case one witness at a time, and that's what they're going to be doing with david pecker probably starting tomorrow or the day after. >> well, we shall see. listen, we may know this story quite nowell, at least the broa contours of atit, but when it comes down to the actual trial, there is so much to dig into. thank you so much for your time tonight. duncan, i think we have lassoed you inav for one more block, so please stay right there. coming up at long last congress votes to send aid toon ukraine. but don't ask anyone in the republican party if this means the debate is settled. and coming up as we await judge merchan's ruling on the gag order prosecutors are sugges
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it wasn't pecker calling trump or cohen calling pecker. it puts trump at the heart, the lead of the conspiracy, not this passive person with michael cohen in charge going rogue. again, it could be just three jurors who wanted to hear this. but if i'm the prosecutor, i'm happy they are focusing on that. i'm also happy they wanted the law read back, even though it was a lot to read back. i'm hoping they are applying the law and the facts in a really key -- to key in. >> paul charlton, weigh in in terms of the complexity of the case. they have a choice of what the underlying alleged crime could be. that's sort of a dealer's choice. but the fact that they seem to be focused on the heart of the case. what is that telling you as a former prosecutor? >> like katherine, andrea, i try to be humble about these things, cautious how you read these things. it's hard to assign with any real degree of certainty what this means exactly. i would take some comfort in the fact that they are focusing on this aspect of the conspiracy. at the same time, you wil
it wasn't pecker calling trump or cohen calling pecker. it puts trump at the heart, the lead of the conspiracy, not this passive person with michael cohen in charge going rogue. again, it could be just three jurors who wanted to hear this. but if i'm the prosecutor, i'm happy they are focusing on that. i'm also happy they wanted the law read back, even though it was a lot to read back. i'm hoping they are applying the law and the facts in a really key -- to key in. >> paul charlton, weigh...
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pecker? >> mr. pecker was a solid first witness for the government on direct. but on cross, you sometimes learn a little bit more about a witness. the approach yesterday, as far as it got, was pretty soft. there wasn't any effort to, you know, go hard with this witness, and there may ultimately not be. this is a witness who says he considers the president a friend. trump has been remarkably restrained about talking about david pecker in public. it may be the cross-examination strategy will be to expose the limits of this witness' testimony. he tells a lot of the story about catch and kill to elect the president, but what he doesn't do, necessarily, is put trump in the room or know what was inside of trump's mind. so what we may see on cross-examination today is more of an effort to reign in the impact that his testimony has on the jury when it comes to donald trump and what he thought, knew, and did. >> we will be watching. former u.s. attorney joyce vance, thank you so much, as always. >>> susan glasser, getting back to your piece about "king donald's day at t
pecker? >> mr. pecker was a solid first witness for the government on direct. but on cross, you sometimes learn a little bit more about a witness. the approach yesterday, as far as it got, was pretty soft. there wasn't any effort to, you know, go hard with this witness, and there may ultimately not be. this is a witness who says he considers the president a friend. trump has been remarkably restrained about talking about david pecker in public. it may be the cross-examination strategy...
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, let's look at pecker's testimony. there is a whole slew of reasons why this could be happening. i think the meeting itself, that's the first step chronologically and it really speaks to that idea of conspiracy. but we could absolutely hear more questions, because keep in mind, we have documents, you know, 34 different business records that serve as the basis to this case. and this meeting and the testimony we're hearing about, this really relates to that predicate crime, that election law conspiracy more so than the falsification of the records themselves. >> you know, i'm going to keep on going back and cash in a dollar on one of my tea leaf comments. i think when you consider what the reading back in terms of the testimony and you couple that with the readback of the jury instruction for the elements of falsifying business records, which is charge number one, the same thing as charge two, ten and 34, to me, if i'm guessing a little bit, they now are considering the elements of the crime pretty early. so they're movi
, let's look at pecker's testimony. there is a whole slew of reasons why this could be happening. i think the meeting itself, that's the first step chronologically and it really speaks to that idea of conspiracy. but we could absolutely hear more questions, because keep in mind, we have documents, you know, 34 different business records that serve as the basis to this case. and this meeting and the testimony we're hearing about, this really relates to that predicate crime, that election law...
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pecker said he would be trump's eyes and ears. cohen recalled pecker said he would keep an eye out for anything negative. in the grand scheme, though, of this case, how important is it? >> it's very important. we have heard, this is the meeting where the election law conspiracy was hatched, right, and you have not just -- both of them essentially saying the same thing on the three main points that the prosecution has argued were the birth of this conspiracy, the, you know, pecker being the eyes and ears, if anything negative was coming up, particularly from women, you know, we're going to kill those stories, placing negative stories against his opponents and then positive stories about trump, those three things. and both of them corroborated each other about those three goals. they also corroborated each other in one other way, this was one of those areas where it just didn't feel like they needed to take this on. both of them talked about the importance of the "national enquirer," so pecker said they called the meeting because th
pecker said he would be trump's eyes and ears. cohen recalled pecker said he would keep an eye out for anything negative. in the grand scheme, though, of this case, how important is it? >> it's very important. we have heard, this is the meeting where the election law conspiracy was hatched, right, and you have not just -- both of them essentially saying the same thing on the three main points that the prosecution has argued were the birth of this conspiracy, the, you know, pecker being...
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pecker said trump said karen was a nice girl, which suggested to pecker that trump knew her, and pecker believed the story to be true, and pecker told interest trump he should buy the story. but the defendant was reluctant because he felt the story always gets out. pecker advised trump to buy the story anyways because it was too risky, so close to the election, they should take the story off the market. they're not talking about jump starting karen mcdougal's career, they're trying to protect the campaign. and with all the documents in this case it's easy to lose sight of this call. they're talking about a flurry of calls, including a 25-minute call, then a 1-minute call from pecker to howard, howard to cohen, that they had. he said trump was overtly discussing purchasing her story to keep it from being published. trump deputizing cohen right in front of pecker so that pecker knows a go ahead from cohen is a go ahead from trump. this goes against any claim that cohen was acting on his own. this call makes it impossible for the defense to claim that cohen was acting on his own here. and,
pecker said trump said karen was a nice girl, which suggested to pecker that trump knew her, and pecker believed the story to be true, and pecker told interest trump he should buy the story. but the defendant was reluctant because he felt the story always gets out. pecker advised trump to buy the story anyways because it was too risky, so close to the election, they should take the story off the market. they're not talking about jump starting karen mcdougal's career, they're trying to protect...
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what about the phone call between trump and pecker? she says, yes, one of them i was, i think, shortly after -- it was publishing a piece about ben carson. i overheard a conversation congratulating him on the great reporting. it was about medical malpractice. there is the direct link between what hope hicks heard, not what she thinks she heard, but what she heard and pecker and trump. thank you so very much. that wraps up the hour for me. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. ♪♪ >>> good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in new york. the trump trial is underway. right now, the former president's close aide, trusted advisor and former white house communications director, hope hicks is on the stand. she no longer has an official role in trump world. has testified to the january 6th house select committee. but hicks was by trump's side throughout his 2016 campaign and for a time when he was serving as president. she potentially has a firsthand account of the alleged crimes her fo
what about the phone call between trump and pecker? she says, yes, one of them i was, i think, shortly after -- it was publishing a piece about ben carson. i overheard a conversation congratulating him on the great reporting. it was about medical malpractice. there is the direct link between what hope hicks heard, not what she thinks she heard, but what she heard and pecker and trump. thank you so very much. that wraps up the hour for me. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea...
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where michael cohen and trump and david pecker had this agreement where david pecker would be the eyes and ears of the campaign and look out for those negative stories. give cohen a heads up and try to suppress it. so it's important he is the lead off witness because it sets the stage. he's the one, of course he was in charge of at the head of ami, in charge of the national enquirer. it sets the stage and just sort of provides for the jury. it started as soon as donald trump announced he was running for president. >> charles, does it matter that they were long time friends, associates, people who worked together for a long time? does that give him more credibility? >> i think it does. the prosecutors are going to tie that into their narrative around why you should believe him and why he's credible. i think when you're setting the stage, giving a jury a very clear picture around what's happening, you have to give to the jury a reason why you should be believing these witnesses and their testimony. so for the reasons you've just mentioned, i think that pecker is going to be a very import
where michael cohen and trump and david pecker had this agreement where david pecker would be the eyes and ears of the campaign and look out for those negative stories. give cohen a heads up and try to suppress it. so it's important he is the lead off witness because it sets the stage. he's the one, of course he was in charge of at the head of ami, in charge of the national enquirer. it sets the stage and just sort of provides for the jury. it started as soon as donald trump announced he was...
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david pecker. to vaughn's point about unspoken, unknown details, according to prosecutes today, it was trump who invited david pecker to come to this meeting at trump tower in 2015. they were joined by michael cohen there. when we've seen that meeting described and public filings, it comes across really differently. they say there was a meeting between cohen and pecker and a third member of the trump campaign. we know from our colleague tom winters reporting in 2018 -- >> do we have that? okay. we're, we went back and we found, it actually circulated on social media. tom winter is a pro's pro and probably the kind of reporter that lives in both worlds. that does talk to those kinds of sources that know where people move and with whom they move. let me show you that report about that meeting and who was in it. >> the first discussion of this so-called catch and kill come up in august 2015. so the "wall street journal" reported back in november and nbc news has now confirmed that in fact the other ca
david pecker. to vaughn's point about unspoken, unknown details, according to prosecutes today, it was trump who invited david pecker to come to this meeting at trump tower in 2015. they were joined by michael cohen there. when we've seen that meeting described and public filings, it comes across really differently. they say there was a meeting between cohen and pecker and a third member of the trump campaign. we know from our colleague tom winters reporting in 2018 -- >> do we have that?...
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was it modifying the behavior of pecker and others? >> so what we've learned is david pecker was getting this legal guidance from the general counsel who in one source actually outsourced someone to look at the karen mcdougal agreement. and that person, as we learned from the court, took half an hour to learn this contract is safe to go. is good to go. because they're looking at a contract with all of these provisions, saying we're buying these fitness covers. that's how they were structuring karen mcdougal's deal. as david howard told me, i'm going out to los angeles to buy this story, to bury it. there was no mention of fitness columns, that came to late later, i was the one that was instructed, we now need to come up with these fitness columns. i was assigned a ghost writer. the first column ran and karen mcdougal called david pecker in a rage, because there was something in the column about vitamin c, and so we needed to get a new ghost writer. >> i mean lord, she does look good. we do have, obviously, there's no sound coming out o
was it modifying the behavior of pecker and others? >> so what we've learned is david pecker was getting this legal guidance from the general counsel who in one source actually outsourced someone to look at the karen mcdougal agreement. and that person, as we learned from the court, took half an hour to learn this contract is safe to go. is good to go. because they're looking at a contract with all of these provisions, saying we're buying these fitness covers. that's how they were...
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it's all good, which is what david pecker testified. this collaboration of what we have already heard from from david pecker showing donald trump is right in the center of this. >> and hope hicks, part of what was fascinating to me again as i was reading this through our internal slack channel, it was a reminder of the sheer chaos and crisis and almost tipping point moment of the access hollywood tape and the fact that that article that does come out before the election ultimately ends up spaced out in of that it wouldn't, like if that had come out the day after access hollywood or two days after or three days after, that could have been it. you were there covering it, that could have been it. >> they got lucky with the timing of that. also, remember at that time, it is easy to forget, i have repressed a lot of it, i think most americans have, it was one allegation after another. it was more than two dozen allegations that he had some sort of sexual impropriety and it was just one thing after another. they are running against hillary cl
it's all good, which is what david pecker testified. this collaboration of what we have already heard from from david pecker showing donald trump is right in the center of this. >> and hope hicks, part of what was fascinating to me again as i was reading this through our internal slack channel, it was a reminder of the sheer chaos and crisis and almost tipping point moment of the access hollywood tape and the fact that that article that does come out before the election ultimately ends up...
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they've been so good, the pecker headlines. it's been amusing. but pecker back today. lisa rubin, the interesting point i think danny was building on, and your thoughts on what you expect today, you saw in the pecker testimony him really laying out plans for certain stories. even saying about a story that turned out not to be that -- not to really have legs was about the doorman and some baby, illegitimate child, and how he'd wait until after the election to put that story out if he could get more on it. showing really that they were framing everything they were doing around the election. >> he said it had to do with the election. it wasn't to protect trump personally, like they were saying. everything was timed for the election. >> exactly. lisa, with that in mind, what are you looking for today? >> i'm looking for more evidence, mika, of direct conversations between pecker and trump. he started in august 2015 at trump tower. he ended the other day starting to talk about a phone call they had in june 2016 when trump called him up to say michael cohen had informed him
they've been so good, the pecker headlines. it's been amusing. but pecker back today. lisa rubin, the interesting point i think danny was building on, and your thoughts on what you expect today, you saw in the pecker testimony him really laying out plans for certain stories. even saying about a story that turned out not to be that -- not to really have legs was about the doorman and some baby, illegitimate child, and how he'd wait until after the election to put that story out if he could get...
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what about the phone call between trump and pecker? she says, yes,
what about the phone call between trump and pecker? she says, yes,