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mcdougal. >> i think this testimony is going to be important because you've got karen mcdougal, the question is with her, did she want something or not from this. and trump's lawyers have portrayed this deal that she cut with ami, that it was illegal and that becomes important in terms of the jury believing whether or not there were crimes committed, and are they tied to another crime. and when you're looking at this, i think karen mcdougal's motives here will become important. did she expect something from this deal? or not? david pecker, he testified that, no, in fact, karen mcdougal did get something for this, but really it was a hush money payment, and i think we're going to see this afternoon or as the week see this afternoon or as t week goes on just more information about exactly what karen mcdougal testified and expected from this and i think that will become important in terms of the defense's case on this. >> i don't know if the jury is going to react the same way that you all have, but it is clear when davidson took the stand the interest and frankly a lot of the details
mcdougal. >> i think this testimony is going to be important because you've got karen mcdougal, the question is with her, did she want something or not from this. and trump's lawyers have portrayed this deal that she cut with ami, that it was illegal and that becomes important in terms of the jury believing whether or not there were crimes committed, and are they tied to another crime. and when you're looking at this, i think karen mcdougal's motives here will become important. did she...
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never heard from karen mcdougal. the jury never heard testimony from karen mcdougal. is this a sign they're zeroing in on her situation, a potential hole in the prosecution's case? >> no, and i think the reason why they didn't call her was because of stormy daniels' testimony about the sexual encounter and the details. i think the prosecution said we're not going to have another witness up there talking about donald trump's sex life. we don't need her, and they don't really -- i don't -- again, i'm not in the jury room. you might have one juror say why didn't we hear from karen mcdue i think this wm and the other testimony read back puts donald trump at the center. he's the boss. and remember, he's the one who called pecker. you got a call from donald trump. so it wasn't like pecker calling trump and saying i have a great idea. it wasn't cohen calling pecker. it was donald trump calling, and again, i always like to give a caveat, it could also be as katie and danny said another jury who has their own version of what
never heard from karen mcdougal. the jury never heard testimony from karen mcdougal. is this a sign they're zeroing in on her situation, a potential hole in the prosecution's case? >> no, and i think the reason why they didn't call her was because of stormy daniels' testimony about the sexual encounter and the details. i think the prosecution said we're not going to have another witness up there talking about donald trump's sex life. we don't need her, and they don't really -- i don't --...
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he is talking about karen mcdougal and non-disclosure agreements. explain the significance. >> reporter: keith davidson has not been a public figure. it's not like he has come out and done tv interviews or talked about his representation of stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. that's why for the prosecution, he could be key here as linking these pieces together. he was the one in 2016 who was negotiating the selling of karen mcdougal and stormy daniels' story. he will be able to provide some veracity to the expected testimony of michael cohen and their exchanges and how ultimately the negotiations of their sales went down. right now, the prosecution for the jury is simply setting up, how did you become aware of karen mcdougal? he is saying he knew her for 25 years. he got connected to her via a friend of his. then started representing her in the summer of 2016. that is where the retainer was set up. he was beginning to personally advise and provide counsel for her. he was sort of the attorney/agent role there where alleged he was negotiating, helping
he is talking about karen mcdougal and non-disclosure agreements. explain the significance. >> reporter: keith davidson has not been a public figure. it's not like he has come out and done tv interviews or talked about his representation of stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. that's why for the prosecution, he could be key here as linking these pieces together. he was the one in 2016 who was negotiating the selling of karen mcdougal and stormy daniels' story. he will be able to provide...
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the karen mcdougal breaks november 7th. talk about the timeline that hope hicks pulled back the curtain on. >> reporter: right. she acknowledged, nicolle, that on october 7th directly that the conversations ended up beginning about concern about women voters and cratering support here and, of course, if you're looking at potentially more women's stories -- allegations coming forward as they were in real time during those weeks there, it was of the most concern for this trump operation. that's why the prosecution brought forward multiple statements that trump made himself on his social media account tweeting out, in part saying, can you believe i lost a large number of women voters based on events that never happened? another tweet that these phony stories have impact. they were used by the prosecution to show the jury that donald trump was acknowledging these stories and access hollywood tape hurt him politically. that's why in those closing weeks there was not only concern about him and these stories, but an effort to turn
the karen mcdougal breaks november 7th. talk about the timeline that hope hicks pulled back the curtain on. >> reporter: right. she acknowledged, nicolle, that on october 7th directly that the conversations ended up beginning about concern about women voters and cratering support here and, of course, if you're looking at potentially more women's stories -- allegations coming forward as they were in real time during those weeks there, it was of the most concern for this trump operation....
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did he know michael cohen was paying off stormy daniels and karen mcdougal that he subsequently then paid michael cohen back for and establishing that intent, right? and some of those rapid fire questions at hope hicks i thought were fascinating. did he feel as if in the lead up to the election after the access hollywood tape was released that he was going to lose votes with women? were there reactions from other republicans? what were those reactions? did he feel as if it was going to affect the election come november after the release of this access hollywood tape, right? establishing the intent, the desperation, establishing the desperation of a man running for president of the united states who knew all of the ongoings inside of his organization, all of the ongoings inside of his campaign as hope hicks talked about. why would he not then subsequently when this information came out, reaching out, hope hicks talking about that, the reach out was to hope hicks herself about the karen mcdougal story. she subsequently reached out to michael cohen as well, michael cohen denying it, dav
did he know michael cohen was paying off stormy daniels and karen mcdougal that he subsequently then paid michael cohen back for and establishing that intent, right? and some of those rapid fire questions at hope hicks i thought were fascinating. did he feel as if in the lead up to the election after the access hollywood tape was released that he was going to lose votes with women? were there reactions from other republicans? what were those reactions? did he feel as if it was going to affect...
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trump that was locked in the door including the karen mcdougal story. hoffinger, what did you understand mr. trump to mean by pay with cash? and cohen to pay in green, which would obviously be one way to avoid any type of a paper transaction. but that's not what i thought was the best way to do it, and then morning recess. >> and we know from other conversations that michael cohen wanted nothing to do with this being a cash transaction. >> correct, and i think that that speaks to misty's earlier point, which is at the end of the day, whether you think that he's a good lawyer or a bad lawyer, he's still a lawyer, and he still understood that in some ways there would be a paper trail that would be beneficial to him in terms of these recordings, and in some ways that it'd be protective of him. >> he needed evidence. >> he needed evidence, and in some cases you don't want evidence, which is why you don't have a paper trail, which is demonstrative of michael cohen's frame of mind in terms of who he is. but the weisselberg piece is something that's interestin
trump that was locked in the door including the karen mcdougal story. hoffinger, what did you understand mr. trump to mean by pay with cash? and cohen to pay in green, which would obviously be one way to avoid any type of a paper transaction. but that's not what i thought was the best way to do it, and then morning recess. >> and we know from other conversations that michael cohen wanted nothing to do with this being a cash transaction. >> correct, and i think that that speaks to...
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the reaction when karen mcdougal's story went public. and back with us is yasmin vossoughian, katie phang, jeremy soland and tristan snell. host talking about when the "wall street journal" came out with this bombshell article about the karen mcdougal deal. fill us in. >> reporter: they talked about that moment, that was november 4th, just a couple of days before the election, four days before the election on that, and there was some back and forth conversations on that. they also talked about the agreement made between dylan howard, michael cohen between the shell company, keith davidson, the two women, karen mcdougal, stormy daniels and david dennison, aka donald trump. at one point steinglass, one of the attorneys for the people, says who signed the agreement on behalf of david dennison? and davidson says karen mcdougal and stormy daniels's attorney says michael cohen esquire. michael cohen signed also on behalf of david dennison, david dennison, aka donald trump, his pseudonym did not sign this agreement. i think this is a really imp
the reaction when karen mcdougal's story went public. and back with us is yasmin vossoughian, katie phang, jeremy soland and tristan snell. host talking about when the "wall street journal" came out with this bombshell article about the karen mcdougal deal. fill us in. >> reporter: they talked about that moment, that was november 4th, just a couple of days before the election, four days before the election on that, and there was some back and forth conversations on that. they...
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he recounts telling donald trump about karen mcdougal. he went into the office, he knocked, he got in, he said i have to talk to you, told him what i just learned, i asked him if he knew who karen mcdougal was. knew anything about this story. his response to me was, she's really beautiful. cohen, i said, okay, there's a story that's right now being shopped. and so there is an objection just after this moment, what we were just discussing. it's like their ears were burning. >> sustained. >> objection, sustained. and so then what did you do? we had to acquire the story so i reached out to pecker. i want to go back to former supreme court justice leslie snyder. judge snyder, thanks for joining us. >> good morning. >> is this testimony going about how you would expect? >> it is going how i would expect and i think the judge because i look at everything from the judge's perspective, is exactly the easy part of the trial. he's paying careful attention, he's going to have to rule on objections but nothing really dramatic has happened because we
he recounts telling donald trump about karen mcdougal. he went into the office, he knocked, he got in, he said i have to talk to you, told him what i just learned, i asked him if he knew who karen mcdougal was. knew anything about this story. his response to me was, she's really beautiful. cohen, i said, okay, there's a story that's right now being shopped. and so there is an objection just after this moment, what we were just discussing. it's like their ears were burning. >> sustained....
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story not to help donald trump, but to help karen mcdougal. defense attorney emil bove. and you were very clear on cross-examination that ms. mcdougal did not want to publish that story, right? that is correct. bove, she wanted to promote her name and brand, correct? yes. she, karen mcdougal was illegitimate celebrity at that time, right? pecker, let me say this. did she meet the celebrity category at that time? no. there were reportedly audible chuckles in the courtroom after that happened. it was not what you would call a highlight moment for the defense. in fact, to be honest from my perspective almost none of it so far has seen all that great for donald trump. maybe you don't need a compelling narrative when the job is to get jurors to believe in reasonable doubt or maybe this is what is happening when you work with an impossible client and do a better job. what does a competent defense strategy look like in this trial? is it turns out, joining me now is andrew wiseman, and anna bello, a pleasure to have you both onset. first of all, i am
story not to help donald trump, but to help karen mcdougal. defense attorney emil bove. and you were very clear on cross-examination that ms. mcdougal did not want to publish that story, right? that is correct. bove, she wanted to promote her name and brand, correct? yes. she, karen mcdougal was illegitimate celebrity at that time, right? pecker, let me say this. did she meet the celebrity category at that time? no. there were reportedly audible chuckles in the courtroom after that happened. it...
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one was karen mcdougal. you had her first and her last name, her email, i think there was a phone number there. it was actually put up on a screen for the court to see, and then the other information was stephanie clifford, but it didn't say stephanie clifford, all it said was "stormy," and then it had a cell phone number. it is interesting, because i think part of the reason rona graff was brought in to testify was to establish potentially for the defense that the relationship between donald trump and stormy daniels could have been about stormy daniels wanting to become a contestant on "the celebrity apprentice," that she wanted something from him. because she came to trump tower in 2007, she has written about it in her book called "full disclosure," they had a meeting, and the allegation that was left for the defense by the jury is that she was there angling to get a slot or a celebrity spot on that show, "celebrity apprentice." >> interesting. kristy, you had taught blanche to explain somewhat awkwardly t
one was karen mcdougal. you had her first and her last name, her email, i think there was a phone number there. it was actually put up on a screen for the court to see, and then the other information was stephanie clifford, but it didn't say stephanie clifford, all it said was "stormy," and then it had a cell phone number. it is interesting, because i think part of the reason rona graff was brought in to testify was to establish potentially for the defense that the relationship...
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mcdougal. >> karen mcdougal and promised he was going to put her on the cover and then he realized he wasn't getting paid back, he was like, i'm not doing anymore. is that the sequence? >> he said on the stand, i'm not a bank. that's kind of almost why we're here, because of the stormy daniels payoff, boss he didn't want to front that money, because he had already fronted up the 30k for the doorman, that catch and kill that we did. and then, he would also have put up the money for karen mcdougal, the 150k. by the time stormy daniels comes on the scene straight off the "access hollywood" tape where the campaign is panicking. they don't want any more sordid details. that transaction is then put back on michael cohen and trump because pecker doesn't want to front any more money. what i found extraordinary today, many extraordinary moments, but one of them and i think this was brilliant by the prosecution, really showing how the deal was structured with karen mcdougal, david pecker knew this was a campaign finance violation. the waythy structured that contract for the fitness columns whic
mcdougal. >> karen mcdougal and promised he was going to put her on the cover and then he realized he wasn't getting paid back, he was like, i'm not doing anymore. is that the sequence? >> he said on the stand, i'm not a bank. that's kind of almost why we're here, because of the stormy daniels payoff, boss he didn't want to front that money, because he had already fronted up the 30k for the doorman, that catch and kill that we did. and then, he would also have put up the money for...
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mcdougal, and stormy daniels, and were able to obtain the contract karen mcdougal had with the parent company of the national enquirer which led to the story you were talking about, and the election was rapidly approaching, so obviously we were trying to move quickly to get to the story before the election. we need stormy daniels was also talking about telling her story, but we haven't nailed that down at that point, but we did nail down the karen mcdougal story. >> did you have a sense of how connected donald trump was to the mcdougal payments? >> well, we knew david pecker, who ran the national enquirer, in american media, had a long elation relationship with trump. we had a sense this was done to protect trump. this was the first time anyone reported the term catch and kill in this context, that david pecker caught the story for trump and killed it. we did not have a direct connection at that time. we suspected it, which is why in the days before that email i sent to hope hicks we were talking to the national inquirer primarily because they paid karen mcdougal, and we suspected str
mcdougal, and stormy daniels, and were able to obtain the contract karen mcdougal had with the parent company of the national enquirer which led to the story you were talking about, and the election was rapidly approaching, so obviously we were trying to move quickly to get to the story before the election. we need stormy daniels was also talking about telling her story, but we haven't nailed that down at that point, but we did nail down the karen mcdougal story. >> did you have a sense...
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before that he was karen mcdougal's first lawyer. and it was in his role as mcdougal's first lawyer he text the publisher of the national enquirer i have a blockbuster trump story. steinglass asked witness keith davidson to read that text that he sent to dylan howard. i have a blockbuster trump story . question, what did you mean by that? answer, sort of an entree or teaser to dylan to let him know i had perhaps an opportunity for him. question, and what was that generally speaking without revealing client confidences, what was the opportunity about which you were contacting him? answer, regarding the interaction between karen mcdougal and donald trump. question, what did stir howard say if anything, in response? answer, talk first thing i will get you more than anyone for it. you know why. question answer that you would call me in the morning. that i don't know if i had a clear understanding at that time, but i knew that dylan's boss, david pecker , and mr. trump are longtime friends and had a former business relationship, that mr.
before that he was karen mcdougal's first lawyer. and it was in his role as mcdougal's first lawyer he text the publisher of the national enquirer i have a blockbuster trump story. steinglass asked witness keith davidson to read that text that he sent to dylan howard. i have a blockbuster trump story . question, what did you mean by that? answer, sort of an entree or teaser to dylan to let him know i had perhaps an opportunity for him. question, and what was that generally speaking without...
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who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution has put in a few things about he's a challenging kind of client for that bank guy. pecker thinks he exaggerates. so the jury, i'm sure, is very curious to see this guy. and i think the da's main task, they have laid the tracks well, but they know that cohen is coming. their main task is between hicks, between pecker, and then the paperwork is to corroborate every single hole so at the end of the day, they can get up and say, look, michael cohen, first of all, you can believe him for these reasons, but even if you don't, every single piece. but i bet bac
who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution...
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regarding the interaction between karen mcdougal and donald trump. what did mr. howard say, if anything, in response? talk first thing. i will get you more than anyone for it. you know why. what do you understand that to mean? that he would call me in the morning. what did you understand the rest of the text to mean? that, i don't know if i had a clear understanding at that time, but i knew that dylan's boss, david pecker, and mr. trump were longtime friends and had a former business relationship that david pecker published from magazine, and that at the time ami had announced, -- implied that they had endorsed mr. trump's candidacy. " that is why karen mcdougal's lawyer believed the national enquirer would pay for her story to help donald trump's candidacy. that was the reason. until now, the reply was, "talk first thing, i'll get you anything, you know why." the why was that mr. trump's candidacy. the prosecutor asked him to read more. "did he cheat on millenia? who did you understand that to be referring to? donald trump. okay, next text, from whom? from dylan
regarding the interaction between karen mcdougal and donald trump. what did mr. howard say, if anything, in response? talk first thing. i will get you more than anyone for it. you know why. what do you understand that to mean? that he would call me in the morning. what did you understand the rest of the text to mean? that, i don't know if i had a clear understanding at that time, but i knew that dylan's boss, david pecker, and mr. trump were longtime friends and had a former business...
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whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was, you know, he was very very concerned about it. >> so i said a moment ago, and andrew weissmann points this out. the 24 million was regarding stormy daniels, not karen mcdougal, but this was george conway telling, you know, this network that he was at a dinner where he heard donald trump talking about this. could he end up testifying? i mean, is this an opening for the d.a. to call george conway? >> you know, i don't think so. what i would say is it's consistent with, you know, that he's reacting to this, but it's not really corroborative of exactly what david pecker is saying because, you know, david pecker has a direct conversation with donald trump, and as vaughn correctly said, it's important for both what it is, and it's also important because as the piece that vaughn has alluded to, which is donald trump then saying he doesn't know anything about it, you can be sure the d.a. is going to play that so that you have that sort of, you know, there's nothing better for menta
whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was, you know, he was very very concerned about it. >> so i said a moment ago, and andrew weissmann points this out. the 24 million was regarding stormy daniels, not karen mcdougal, but this was george conway telling, you know, this network that he was at a dinner where he heard donald trump talking about this. could he end up testifying? i mean, is this an opening for the d.a. to call george conway? >> you know, i don't think so....
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but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she didn't give prosecutors some of the admissions they wanted. they were trying to establish trump had a business reason to have stormy in his rolodex, in particular, he was looking at her as a plausible candidate for the celebrity apprentice. she wouldn't necessarily go there. she said yeah, i have a vague recollection based on some office chatter that she was talked about as an interesting candidate. but never did she say i heard it directly from trump. i overheard trump talking about her. rather, she saw her once in the reception area of the business offices at
but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she...
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now they're talking about karen mcdougal, who is not at issue here, the payment to karen mcdougal is not at issue here but it shows in some ways a pattern. pecker said trump said karen was a nice girl, which suggested to pecker that trump knew her, and pecker believed the story to be true, and pecker told interest trump he should buy the story. but the defendant was reluctant because he felt the story always gets out. pecker advised trump to buy the story anyways because it was too risky, so close to the election, they should take the story off the market. they're not talking about jump starting karen mcdougal's career, they're trying to protect the campaign. and with all the documents in this case it's easy to lose sight of this call. they're talking about a flurry of calls, including a 25-minute call, then a 1-minute call from pecker to howard, howard to cohen, that they had. he said trump was overtly discussing purchasing her story to keep it from being published. trump deputizing cohen right in front of pecker so that pecker knows a go ahead from cohen is a go ahead from trump. t
now they're talking about karen mcdougal, who is not at issue here, the payment to karen mcdougal is not at issue here but it shows in some ways a pattern. pecker said trump said karen was a nice girl, which suggested to pecker that trump knew her, and pecker believed the story to be true, and pecker told interest trump he should buy the story. but the defendant was reluctant because he felt the story always gets out. pecker advised trump to buy the story anyways because it was too risky, so...
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when i talked first about the agreement with karen mcdougal and ami. on cross, there is an attempt to say, well, lawyers negotiated this, even in the opening, this was blessed by lawyers. to give the jury the impression that lawyers said this is okay so donald trump must've thought it was okay. by the way, an objection that got sustained because you can't make that argument. he has no advice of counsel or presence of counsel. >> ruled out in pretrial motions. >>. now you have this agreement. the agreement, the word campaign doesn't show up once, right ? this agreement with karen mcdougal is for promotional opportunities, for her to be on the cover of the magazine, for her to go straight articles. and, he never on redirect, it was so effective from the state because they are like campaign doesn't come up anywhere. when you talked to your attorney, ami general counsel, you never mentioned michael cohen, you never mentioned the campaign, you never mentioned you were trying to help once the election. there's not but, this looks like a standard agreement fo
when i talked first about the agreement with karen mcdougal and ami. on cross, there is an attempt to say, well, lawyers negotiated this, even in the opening, this was blessed by lawyers. to give the jury the impression that lawyers said this is okay so donald trump must've thought it was okay. by the way, an objection that got sustained because you can't make that argument. he has no advice of counsel or presence of counsel. >> ruled out in pretrial motions. >>. now you have this...
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having karen mcdougal and david and dylan howard on the witness stand explaining the karen mcdougal hush money case, explaining why the national enquirer was catching and killing stories that could be bad for donald trump in the lead up to the presidential election, well, that could really help illustrate trump's intent in a very similar case, the stormy daniels case. to that end, also on the potential witness list is keith davidson. davidson was the attorney for both karen mcdougal as she negotiated her payment from the national enquirer and he was the attorney for stormy daniels, as she negotiated her payment to stay quiet. i am sure mr. davidson has plenty to say about what he believes motivated the silencing of his two clients' stories. if you recall, the reason d.a. bragg has to prove the why here is because the way he structured the charges against trump here is not just one singular crime. bragg has charged trump with a misdemeanor, the falsifying of business records, but bragg elevated that charge to a felony by alleging trump falsified those business records in service of commit
having karen mcdougal and david and dylan howard on the witness stand explaining the karen mcdougal hush money case, explaining why the national enquirer was catching and killing stories that could be bad for donald trump in the lead up to the presidential election, well, that could really help illustrate trump's intent in a very similar case, the stormy daniels case. to that end, also on the potential witness list is keith davidson. davidson was the attorney for both karen mcdougal as she...
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yes, karen mcdougal is a big part of this. she's not charged here in large part because the conduct she alleges false outside of the statute of limitations but this is going to be a big part of the story that's shows there is a whole range of conduct that this particular candidate and those around him were invested in keeping from everyone else. >> andrew, it is karen mcdougal who, in january after the election, they decide, you know what, we don't have to hold her to the nondisclosure anymore because we after the election, which is such a key element in incentives here. >> what the state needs to make sure the jury does not sort of go off on is that this was just a schema with respect to melania trump. that is the john edwards defense. they need to say this isn't just some personal thing, this is about the campaign. the fact of what he does afterwards. apparently, david is going to say into that and 17, he meets with donald trump, who thanks him for helping him win the campaign and win the election. >> that is all in the open
yes, karen mcdougal is a big part of this. she's not charged here in large part because the conduct she alleges false outside of the statute of limitations but this is going to be a big part of the story that's shows there is a whole range of conduct that this particular candidate and those around him were invested in keeping from everyone else. >> andrew, it is karen mcdougal who, in january after the election, they decide, you know what, we don't have to hold her to the nondisclosure...
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karen mcdougal and david . they are on the list as well as the man who was the editor in chief of the national enquirer at the time of that catch and kill scheme . dillon howard. now the hush money at the center of monday's trial is not the hush money the national enquirer paid karen mcdougal to kill her story. the hush money at the center of monday's trial is the money paid to stephanie clifford. you probably know better but the stage name stormy daniels. but the contours of these cases are very very similar. daniels like mcdougal was ready to go public with her story. and was paid to stay silent. what's more both of these payments the money for karen mcdougal and stormy daniels those payments were made in the lead up to the 2016 election. and that could be key here. because one of the things one of the essential things that district attorney alvin bragg will have to prove in the case is why donald trump did what he did. why he arrange those payments to stormy daniels. having karen mcdougal and david in dillon
karen mcdougal and david . they are on the list as well as the man who was the editor in chief of the national enquirer at the time of that catch and kill scheme . dillon howard. now the hush money at the center of monday's trial is not the hush money the national enquirer paid karen mcdougal to kill her story. the hush money at the center of monday's trial is the money paid to stephanie clifford. you probably know better but the stage name stormy daniels. but the contours of these cases are...
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karen mcdougal is a playboy. i'm ready for him to say, okay, this is what night -- i need your help with. he said, they made a decision to pay her under $150,000 and the story will never see the light of day. i am sitting there going, and what world would we not run that story? what is actually going on? what am i a part of year? it was a moment where i was like, this will end my career. >> i want to show you keith davidson describing these interactions with david pecker . >> she believed they were not fulfilling the terms of the deal and she was upset and we scheduled a meeting with ami, who we met with -- they met with david pecker, who is an incredible man. there were even further promises that were made to her at that meeting, so the situation became worse, not better, and that was really a great source of frustration for everyone involved on our side. >> what we know now, what david pecker allegedly admitted to when prosecutors were talking with michael cohen to protect the president, there was a phrase he u
karen mcdougal is a playboy. i'm ready for him to say, okay, this is what night -- i need your help with. he said, they made a decision to pay her under $150,000 and the story will never see the light of day. i am sitting there going, and what world would we not run that story? what is actually going on? what am i a part of year? it was a moment where i was like, this will end my career. >> i want to show you keith davidson describing these interactions with david pecker . >> she...
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that's how they were structuring karen mcdougal's deal. as david howard told me, i'm going out to los angeles to buy this story, to bury it. there was no mention of fitness columns, that came to late later, i was the one that was instructed, we now need to come up with these fitness columns. i was assigned a ghost writer. the first column ran and karen mcdougal called david pecker in a rage, because there was something in the column about vitamin c, and so we needed to get a new ghost writer. >> i mean lord, she does look good. we do have, obviously, there's no sound coming out of court, but i do want to read for folks this exchange. pecker didn't want to purchase the stormy daniels story. that was part of the -- one of the bombshells, if you will, this past week in court from thursday. pecker says michael cohen asked me to pay for this story to purchase it. i said i'm not purchasing this story. i'm not going to be involved with a porn star. we're not paying any more monies. the prosecution said how did michael cohen take that? pecker, he
that's how they were structuring karen mcdougal's deal. as david howard told me, i'm going out to los angeles to buy this story, to bury it. there was no mention of fitness columns, that came to late later, i was the one that was instructed, we now need to come up with these fitness columns. i was assigned a ghost writer. the first column ran and karen mcdougal called david pecker in a rage, because there was something in the column about vitamin c, and so we needed to get a new ghost writer....
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made with karen mcdougal. the second request, the second time they rang their bell was for the jury to have the instructions that judge merchan gave them earlier this morning read back to them. over the last several weeks the 12 jurors and 18 alternates have listened to first opening statements then the testimonies of 22 witnesses, then yesterday seven hours of closing statements. and they are now deciding on donald trump's 34 counts of falsifying business records to cover up reimbursements for hush money paid to a porn star. as "the new york times" reports, quote, this is one of the rare moments in his life since he was first elected president when trump hadn't been in control of a situation in one way or another. even when we lost the 2020 election, he created an entire apparatus that worked in vain to overturn it. there's not much to do with a system of rule he doesn't control. in true trumpian fashion the ex-president railing against his case on social media as he and the rest of the world waits for the ju
made with karen mcdougal. the second request, the second time they rang their bell was for the jury to have the instructions that judge merchan gave them earlier this morning read back to them. over the last several weeks the 12 jurors and 18 alternates have listened to first opening statements then the testimonies of 22 witnesses, then yesterday seven hours of closing statements. and they are now deciding on donald trump's 34 counts of falsifying business records to cover up reimbursements for...
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mcdougal and when she first heard about karen mcdougal. she said she thought it was -- there was a woman named karen mcdougal that was purchased by the "national enquirer." her response is asking the reporter to hold and hicks said it was an inquiry, a press inquiry. it has been accepted into evidence that that email came. in any case, peter alexander, when we talk about the campaign and what was happening at the time, this is also going to bring "access hollywood" back into the conversation. the tape is not going to be played. that's too prejudicial. this judge is being very careful about what he puts in and what he doesn't allow to be put into evidence. i can guarantee you, it's going to be played on newscasts or tabloids it's going to stream. this is a reminder to current voters of that incident. peter? >> reporter: you are right. remember, one of your guests described its a bomb. that's the way it felt in those days before the election. really did feel like it tore this thing wide open. it was stunning, even as members of the trump cam
mcdougal and when she first heard about karen mcdougal. she said she thought it was -- there was a woman named karen mcdougal that was purchased by the "national enquirer." her response is asking the reporter to hold and hicks said it was an inquiry, a press inquiry. it has been accepted into evidence that that email came. in any case, peter alexander, when we talk about the campaign and what was happening at the time, this is also going to bring "access hollywood" back into...
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>> that david pecker was killed in the catch and kill stories including karen mcdougal and other catch and kill stories, that he was at meetings when these were discussed, but when it came to stormy daniels, he backed out, for a reason that actually was, you know, really silly in that he was never reimbursed or never paid back and he didn't want to get involved with a porn star according to his own testimony because of contracts he had with walmart. that's why the people are calling him. what the defense is trying to do in cross examination is create separation. okay, there may have been this karen mcdougal arrangement there may have been this 2015 meeting, there may have been this catch and kill with a doorman, but you were not involved in the whole stormy daniels saga, so therefore you don't have valuable information about that. look, there are not a lot of options for cross examination. i've been thinking about it entirely during his direct testimony. where would the defense go? and they can only go to the classics, his ability to remember, his moative in that he has an agreement or
>> that david pecker was killed in the catch and kill stories including karen mcdougal and other catch and kill stories, that he was at meetings when these were discussed, but when it came to stormy daniels, he backed out, for a reason that actually was, you know, really silly in that he was never reimbursed or never paid back and he didn't want to get involved with a porn star according to his own testimony because of contracts he had with walmart. that's why the people are calling him....
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karen mcdougal does,. the monday before the election and you have those conversations were trump is telling hope hicks what to do. hope hicks says i will deny, deny, deny. they are hyperaware the political damage and none of the witnesses have said anything about trump being scared of melania. i had a source inside that the paper up when access hollywood tape dropped. he told me, he went upstairs with trump, and melania was very distraught. no one knows anything about anyone's merits so i have no idea >> your source was in the room of melania? >> i do not think trump went upstairs alone. a subset of the group went upstairs to the resident to deal with the statement and melania. i think a group came from -- his vote was to donald trump from the ticket and see if they could switch with mr. pence. i think if you went upstairs from to pay trump test prep. melania was reportedly crying. we do not know she was crying. did she know? was she mad at him? his concerns about her work distant second. his political con
karen mcdougal does,. the monday before the election and you have those conversations were trump is telling hope hicks what to do. hope hicks says i will deny, deny, deny. they are hyperaware the political damage and none of the witnesses have said anything about trump being scared of melania. i had a source inside that the paper up when access hollywood tape dropped. he told me, he went upstairs with trump, and melania was very distraught. no one knows anything about anyone's merits so i have...
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karen mcdougal, and david pecker. they are on the ligs as well as the man the editor-in-chief at the national enquirer at the time thaf otcatch and kill scheme, dylan howard. it's not the hush money the national enquirer paid karen mcdougalen to kill her story. the hushll money at the center monday's trial is the money paid to adult film star stephanie clifford, when you probably knou better by the stage name stormy daniels. but the contour of these cases are very, very similar. daniels like mcdougal was ready to goga public with her story a was paid to stay silent. what's moreo both of these payments, the money for karen mcdougal and stormy daniels, those payments were made in the lead-upen to the 2016 election, and that could be key here. because one of the things -- one of the central things that district attorney alvin bragg will have toal prove in his cai why donald trump did what me did, why did he arrange those payments to stormy daniels? having karen mcdougal and dylan and explaining why the national enquirer
karen mcdougal, and david pecker. they are on the ligs as well as the man the editor-in-chief at the national enquirer at the time thaf otcatch and kill scheme, dylan howard. it's not the hush money the national enquirer paid karen mcdougalen to kill her story. the hushll money at the center monday's trial is the money paid to adult film star stephanie clifford, when you probably knou better by the stage name stormy daniels. but the contour of these cases are very, very similar. daniels like...
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she's asked when did you first hear the name karen mcdougal, in what context. i received a call from "the washington post." who was the reporter, and had you heard of someone named stormy daniels? i heard it one other time before that. she's getting this call as the top press flack in the trump campaign, which has got to freak her out. the date is significant. november 4, 2016, is four days before the election. you now have a story coming out that would confirm a salacious story about donald trump's relationships with two women, one of whom was stormy daniels and one karen mcdougal but in the context of all these other women backing up the "access hollywood" tape that came out in october '16 which she also had to deal with, and he's running against a woman. in an election in which he is being portrayed as a misogynist, and he's been a misogynist even to the woman he's running against. that is context that's important, right? the timing is that if the election was literally happening around the corner. you were in court today. what did you see? >> i wasn't actua
she's asked when did you first hear the name karen mcdougal, in what context. i received a call from "the washington post." who was the reporter, and had you heard of someone named stormy daniels? i heard it one other time before that. she's getting this call as the top press flack in the trump campaign, which has got to freak her out. the date is significant. november 4, 2016, is four days before the election. you now have a story coming out that would confirm a salacious story about...
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to go with. >> so the karen mcdougal on november 4th is when she first hears an inquiry. i'll get to that in a moment. she said at one point, vaughn that she had heard about stormy daniels, as much as a year beforehand, but in what context. since that's the focus of this particular trial? >> reporter: exactly, and i'm catching up with you in realtime. i don't want to answer out of turn if i could dodge that question for a moment here. >> no worries. you know who i will bring in, as you do your research, vaughn, we're reading this in live realtime what's happening inside the courtroom is "new york times" investigative reporter, david fahrenthold, as i welcome you, bring us back to the day that you drafted the e-mail to send to hope hicks asking for comment, right, and how things were expecting to unfold, and by the way, did i just get told -- okay. there will be no redirect, everybody, it is 3:30. hope hicks is now off the stand, which is very interesting. potentially unexpected. we have another 15 minutes or so theoretically until court will cease to be in session today t
to go with. >> so the karen mcdougal on november 4th is when she first hears an inquiry. i'll get to that in a moment. she said at one point, vaughn that she had heard about stormy daniels, as much as a year beforehand, but in what context. since that's the focus of this particular trial? >> reporter: exactly, and i'm catching up with you in realtime. i don't want to answer out of turn if i could dodge that question for a moment here. >> no worries. you know who i will bring...
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davidson on those phone calls about karen mcdougal. michael cohen, that she was also under control, that nobody's going rogue here. prosecutor, in addition to that, did you express any anger at keith davidson for that article? michael cohen, yes. prosecutor, why? this cohen, because she was his client, and i expected he would have this under control. again, it was days before, and i wanted to ensure mr. trump was safe. prosecutor, were you angry with him? cohen, very. prosecutor, did you think someone on his side had leaked something like this to "the wall street journal"? cohen, yes. prosecutor, did you indicate to him that somebody might be very upset with him? cohen, i did. prosecutor, who did you indicate might be very upset with him? trump defense counsel, objection, leading. the judge, sustained. prosecutor, what, if anything, did you tell him about mr. trump during those calls? cohen, that he was really angry, and i truly hoped that we don't come back to find out that this is something that you guys did where -- where this is a
davidson on those phone calls about karen mcdougal. michael cohen, that she was also under control, that nobody's going rogue here. prosecutor, in addition to that, did you express any anger at keith davidson for that article? michael cohen, yes. prosecutor, why? this cohen, because she was his client, and i expected he would have this under control. again, it was days before, and i wanted to ensure mr. trump was safe. prosecutor, were you angry with him? cohen, very. prosecutor, did you think...
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so up you have stormy daniels, you have karen mcdougal. we saw of key players. the women who were involved and the details could be even more revealing in terms of trump's actual involvement. we hear that the defense will site stormy daniels does not know anything about what went wrong in terms of the business records, but stormy daniels will still be relying kind of her interactions with the former president and i think that will be very uncomfortable for trump as he continues to have to sit through weeks of these cases and these stories that are being laid out for the jury to hear. >> let's discuss the supreme court hearing arguments on thursday on trump's claims of presidential immunity. it appears some justices believe at least some immunity is necessary. to the questions indicate to you how they are likely to rule? >> alex, they did and the indicated that to me indirectly because of some of the things we heard the justices say. is not related to the issue before them, but i thought it was amazing that justice alito actually said, isn't it true that the gran
so up you have stormy daniels, you have karen mcdougal. we saw of key players. the women who were involved and the details could be even more revealing in terms of trump's actual involvement. we hear that the defense will site stormy daniels does not know anything about what went wrong in terms of the business records, but stormy daniels will still be relying kind of her interactions with the former president and i think that will be very uncomfortable for trump as he continues to have to sit...
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vaughn, trump's lawyer has been asking pecker about his negotiations with karen mcdougal. what are they getting at? >> reporter: this is all part of the effort here from the defense team to make the case to the jury that this was a long-standing practice on the part of the "national enquirer" to buy up stories and workshop them, make sure to see whether they were true or not, but also to put out other negative stories about other celebrities or politicians medical record to help boost sales because they are a company that is trying to drive publications sales and make money, and when it comes specifically to karen mcdougal, there is an exchange here where emil bove, donald trump's attorney asks her, quote, when you first learned about this, you understand ms. mcdougal did not want to publish. what she wanted was to restart her career, and ami could help her, to which david pecker responded, yes. what they are trying to lay out is that david pecker was not initially engaging with karen mcdougal in an effort to, you know, keep her from going public because she never intended
vaughn, trump's lawyer has been asking pecker about his negotiations with karen mcdougal. what are they getting at? >> reporter: this is all part of the effort here from the defense team to make the case to the jury that this was a long-standing practice on the part of the "national enquirer" to buy up stories and workshop them, make sure to see whether they were true or not, but also to put out other negative stories about other celebrities or politicians medical record to help...
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i had moved from the west wing to the east wing when the stormy daniels and karen mcdougal news, when it hit when we were in the white house. i did have a lot of the personal conversations with melania. to see that he didn't want to have the newspapers delivered to the residents, it made me smile. it sound like something he would think of. melania watches the news like crazy. she keeps track of everything. she's on her phone all the time. she never read hard newspapers like he did. that made me kind of smile that that was one of his, you know, i don't know ways to hide it from her. it was never going to happen. >> it sound like we all know how much donald trump follows the news, right, and it's clear just if you follow him in any way, he seems to know everything that everyone says about him at all times, but i think melania trump, the idea that someone who's her husband thought that something could be hidden to her is almost, i don't want to say laughable on its face but makes no sense. >> yeah, it's silly. it makes me smile. she consumes media just as much as him. he likes to have th
i had moved from the west wing to the east wing when the stormy daniels and karen mcdougal news, when it hit when we were in the white house. i did have a lot of the personal conversations with melania. to see that he didn't want to have the newspapers delivered to the residents, it made me smile. it sound like something he would think of. melania watches the news like crazy. she keeps track of everything. she's on her phone all the time. she never read hard newspapers like he did. that made me...
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karen mcdougal . he wanted to say, even if this is a misdemeanor or falsification of business records, the next crime does not exist. it is not an election crime because this is about protecting melania, not to influence an election. david pecker said melania was not even mentioned. this was all about helpingselection. finally, wanted to make this case about michael cohen, who has some problems because he was convicted of felonies, including lying, but he was lying for president donald . but here, you have david providing cooperation for what michael cohen is going to testify to. it is one thing to say you are a liar. it is another thing to say you are a liar, but everyone seems to cooperate your story. >> i got that hogan's hero analogy with the sergeant. one of the central themes of david testimony was the arrangement he made with president donald to have the parent company of the national mcdougal pay playboy model karen mcdougal $150,000 for her story, alleging she had a 10 month long affair with
karen mcdougal . he wanted to say, even if this is a misdemeanor or falsification of business records, the next crime does not exist. it is not an election crime because this is about protecting melania, not to influence an election. david pecker said melania was not even mentioned. this was all about helpingselection. finally, wanted to make this case about michael cohen, who has some problems because he was convicted of felonies, including lying, but he was lying for president donald . but...
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if you come up with a pre- bottle, you got david , you have keith davidson and now you have karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. by the time that michael cohen takes a stand the jurors will already have seen the facts and they are going to be more willing to believe him. i do not believe that michael cohen will be the final witness. he is a flawed witness. they go into the deliberation room, they are working really hard to point out these in advance to give the evidence in advance to protect michael cohen to create the firewall and i think that's working. >> this is the week that the prosecution will likely start focusing on that. what documents will the jury see? >> they're going to see the signed checks. reimbursing michael cohen for his hush money payments to stormy daniels. we have already seen a ton of email exchanges and we know that donald trump didn't send emails, but all of his under links did. the combination of his text messages to david parker and dylan howard, the national editor, we've seen already lots of communications so we've already seen a ton of records, but is a paper tr
if you come up with a pre- bottle, you got david , you have keith davidson and now you have karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. by the time that michael cohen takes a stand the jurors will already have seen the facts and they are going to be more willing to believe him. i do not believe that michael cohen will be the final witness. he is a flawed witness. they go into the deliberation room, they are working really hard to point out these in advance to give the evidence in advance to protect...
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mcdougal quiet and there was a lunch between karen mcdougal and david pecker and the editor and chief of the "national enquirer" where they were discussing potentially how she could continue to elevate her role within the american media business empire, but while also not talking about donald trump, and so all throughout the first year of donald trump's administration, we as the public did not understand the lengths to which donald trump allegedly was working with michael cohen, with hope hicks, with now sarah huckabee sanders, to try to continue to keep the full story of these individuals alleged affairs and the alleged hush money payment to keep them silent before the 2016 election from the public not only in 2016 but 2017 and using the white house in 2018 as well. >> what's amazing, i hear that there is some activity behind you, vaughn, just look around to make sure you're still safe -- the talking about maybe this is just a trigger, a former white house staffer, but all of the invoking west wing communication staffers at the highest levels and here's what pecker said about jeff se
mcdougal quiet and there was a lunch between karen mcdougal and david pecker and the editor and chief of the "national enquirer" where they were discussing potentially how she could continue to elevate her role within the american media business empire, but while also not talking about donald trump, and so all throughout the first year of donald trump's administration, we as the public did not understand the lengths to which donald trump allegedly was working with michael cohen, with...
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karen mcdougal was doing. in other words, was she sufficiently happy to keep others quiet? when she wasn't, at a point in time after she had sued the "enquirer" and wanted to be released from her non-disclosure agreement, trump was furious to see the interview with anderson cooper. pecker recounted that information, as well, willie. >> it's interesting. shorthand for this trial for some has been the stomy daniels hush money case, but karen mcdougal was the focus yesterday. $150,000 that mr. pecker says he paid. hired her for a job. it was kind of a no-show job as a fitness writer, something like that. how does karen mcdougal factor into this case? how central is she? >> karen mcdougal is not central to the crime itself. remember, again, the manhattan d.a. has charged donald trump with falsification of business records. but what makes it a felony, according to the d.a., is that those business records were falsified with the intent to either commit or conceal a crime. they have now elaborated on that theory. bas
karen mcdougal was doing. in other words, was she sufficiently happy to keep others quiet? when she wasn't, at a point in time after she had sued the "enquirer" and wanted to be released from her non-disclosure agreement, trump was furious to see the interview with anderson cooper. pecker recounted that information, as well, willie. >> it's interesting. shorthand for this trial for some has been the stomy daniels hush money case, but karen mcdougal was the focus yesterday....
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that the real intent of it was to buy karen mcdougal's silence. that is really important because this trial will come down to was there a crime concealed, and that's what we're all looking for, and they were trying to say, well, hang on, that wasn't a crime what happened, she did some stuff, and she got paid. i thought that, to me, was really important and on redirect, the government's lawyers came back in and kept asking pecker about it, and he kept saying over and over, sure, she did some stuff, but the real purpose of that was to silence her, and in fact, he ended up paying a fine to the federal election commission for that payment for -- because a corporation got involved in an election when they shouldn't have. >> one point when bove, kristy greenberg, was really it seemed again -- i'm reading the document. that's why i'm asking you folks who were actually in there, when bove was talking to pecker and challenging his interpretation of some of the things that happened, it ended essentially with pecker saying, you know, i'm trying to tell the t
that the real intent of it was to buy karen mcdougal's silence. that is really important because this trial will come down to was there a crime concealed, and that's what we're all looking for, and they were trying to say, well, hang on, that wasn't a crime what happened, she did some stuff, and she got paid. i thought that, to me, was really important and on redirect, the government's lawyers came back in and kept asking pecker about it, and he kept saying over and over, sure, she did some...
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karen mcdougal got paid off but the cast of characters never changes. the common denominator is michael cohen as the picture with david fixing the public face and donald trump paying it off. what was important is that there is some of us that are jaded having gone through this for years. going on this wild ride that is the donald trump experience. we are all in this courtroom and listening to all of this and we are still stunned when we hear todd blanche get up. by the way, the spaghetti theory, we have heard this as trial lawyers. you throw anything on the wall and hope something sticks. you just want to create reasonable doubt. if you created somehow, who cares how it happened. blanche is meandering. we will talk about this now but we will talk about this. it did not seem like there was any type of organized flow and he only used 35 minutes when he could have used more. i think he got to the point where he ran out of steam. and we would just sit down. >> reporter: one of the things in the opening is it is really important for both sides not to overpro
karen mcdougal got paid off but the cast of characters never changes. the common denominator is michael cohen as the picture with david fixing the public face and donald trump paying it off. what was important is that there is some of us that are jaded having gone through this for years. going on this wild ride that is the donald trump experience. we are all in this courtroom and listening to all of this and we are still stunned when we hear todd blanche get up. by the way, the spaghetti...
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but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to start with you because you're a defense attorney and you're new to this table. it's a challenge, right, no matter how many times the defense keeps going back and back and back to david pecker, trying to show this wasn't about the campaign, which is what you did, this is standard operating procedure, they said that over and over and over again yesterday. let me give you one of the later pieces of back and forth, and this is steinglass trying to, again, disprove that bove had just done, the defense attorney. how many, meaning of these stories, did you coordinate with a presidential candidate for the benefit o
but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to...
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davidson on the phone calls about karen mcdougal? michael cohen that she was also under control that nobody is going here. >> did you express any anger for the article? she was his client and i expected she would have this under control. it was days before and i wanted to ensure mr. trump was safe. prosecutor, were you angry with him?:, very. did you think someone on his side had like something like this to the wall street journal? cohen, yes. did you indicate to him that somebody might be very upset with him? cohen, i did. prosecutor, who did you indicate might be very upset with him, objection leading. judge, some stained. -- since sustained. prosecutor what did you tell him about these calls? >> that he was truly angry and we hope that we don't come back to find out this is something you guys did for this is a major problem. michael cohen giving us a window into the type of work he did for donald trump. you were talking about what michael cohen was doing for donald trump, what type of relationship this was. >> it was, and again, i
davidson on the phone calls about karen mcdougal? michael cohen that she was also under control that nobody is going here. >> did you express any anger for the article? she was his client and i expected she would have this under control. it was days before and i wanted to ensure mr. trump was safe. prosecutor, were you angry with him?:, very. did you think someone on his side had like something like this to the wall street journal? cohen, yes. did you indicate to him that somebody might...
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if you remember, karen mcdougal is the former playboy model who received $150,000.00 in the lead up to the 2016 election as part of a catch and kill scheme with "the national enquirer" to stay quiet about her affair with donald trump. that means stormy daniels testimony, the testimony that wrapped up today, will be the only testimony this jury hears that is directly from a woman accusing donald trump of trying to keep her quiet about affair before the 2016 election. now, there are lots of reasons why karen mcdougal might not want to testify and there are lots of reasons why the prosecution might not want to call on her to testify. we are going to get some expert help unpacking all of that and what that means for this case in just a second. but, karen mcdougal not testifying also makes the testimony we did get today from stormy daniels all the more important and it makes the cross-examination of stormy daniels today, it makes that all the more important. the defense cross-examination today is probably most accurately described by a phrase i am loath to say, that it really does describe
if you remember, karen mcdougal is the former playboy model who received $150,000.00 in the lead up to the 2016 election as part of a catch and kill scheme with "the national enquirer" to stay quiet about her affair with donald trump. that means stormy daniels testimony, the testimony that wrapped up today, will be the only testimony this jury hears that is directly from a woman accusing donald trump of trying to keep her quiet about affair before the 2016 election. now, there are...
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i mean, i knew that karen mcdougal had said they slept in separate bedrooms at trump tower. the jury is not going to hear about that. that's really the relevant part, but i think that all of these sort of very detailed testimony that you heard today, stormy daniels giving about her time in the hotel suite, was as the prosecutor told the judge, you know, he was saying it's too much, too much, the pajamas. but the purpose was to show the jury that this actually happened, to convince them, because even though it's not necessarily directly relevant to whether he falsified business records, the whole notion that he was doing this to cover up an actual sexual encounter as opposed to an extortion attempt is going to be important. so all of that detail and all of the, you know, the things like, i mean, again, they have said they were not going to tell the jury certain more lurid things about karen mcdougal's story and they have not done that, but it's the same point about what stormy said today. >> to come back to stormy daniels, there is this written denial that she did do. she goe
i mean, i knew that karen mcdougal had said they slept in separate bedrooms at trump tower. the jury is not going to hear about that. that's really the relevant part, but i think that all of these sort of very detailed testimony that you heard today, stormy daniels giving about her time in the hotel suite, was as the prosecutor told the judge, you know, he was saying it's too much, too much, the pajamas. but the purpose was to show the jury that this actually happened, to convince them, because...
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we haven't heard much from karen mcdougal in public. some of what she understood to be the case then is now being confirmed in court. her understanding over time was oh, this was all a cut-out. this was the the campaign arm of trump doing business as a tabloid. it is only supposed to go off the evidence as they get it. just in the past two weeks. >> i think putting pecker on the stand and really laying out the scheme and the context for the scheme was important. i thought it was interesting because it fed into the whole thing. because i think that one defense lawyer, by doing that, i think what they really did was show that he had the creds. this is a very sordid thing. while the defense lawyers want to paint this as this happens every day. this is the way it is done. none of the people they got on cross-examination were running for president. none of the people they talked about in cross-examination had obligations under federal election law. to make truthful entries. what karen mcdougal talked about was this was the acknowledgment of
we haven't heard much from karen mcdougal in public. some of what she understood to be the case then is now being confirmed in court. her understanding over time was oh, this was all a cut-out. this was the the campaign arm of trump doing business as a tabloid. it is only supposed to go off the evidence as they get it. just in the past two weeks. >> i think putting pecker on the stand and really laying out the scheme and the context for the scheme was important. i thought it was...
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no michael cohen in that call, just between the two of them about keeping karen mcdougal's story from being published. and he said they weren't talking about jump starting mcdougal's career. this was about protecting the campaign. if you go back to that call he said it's easy to lose sight of the significance of this call with all the documents in this case. so he made a real point in his closing about how important this call was to showing that this transaction is an unlawful corporate contribution from ami to trump's campaign. look here, and it's the first thing they're asking for. so, again, i think the state has to be happy that they have clearly listened to the closing, and they are at least looking at
no michael cohen in that call, just between the two of them about keeping karen mcdougal's story from being published. and he said they weren't talking about jump starting mcdougal's career. this was about protecting the campaign. if you go back to that call he said it's easy to lose sight of the significance of this call with all the documents in this case. so he made a real point in his closing about how important this call was to showing that this transaction is an unlawful corporate...
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he's going to be providing the background. >> let's play karen mcdougal. this is her in her interview about why she sold her story. >> why do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back? >> they wanted to squash the story. >> you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump. >> i'm assuming so, yeah. >> you think it's because of a personal relationship with the guy who runs ami is friends with donald trump? >> correct. >> so this is how it's an election interference trial. >> ami is david pecker. >> right, so the idea is they don't want the christian right who he's trying to court to know he's a cheater. >> yeah, you want to keep it private. also remember at that time, the "access hollywood," grab them by the you know what came out. you can't have karen mcdougal, stormy daniels, the "access hollywood," he was afraid, donald trump, that that would chill -- >> the joke is on everyone else. the so-called christian right doesn't care. there's also this piece that i think is very key. michael cohen, when he hi
he's going to be providing the background. >> let's play karen mcdougal. this is her in her interview about why she sold her story. >> why do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back? >> they wanted to squash the story. >> you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump. >> i'm assuming so, yeah. >> you think it's because of a personal relationship with the guy who runs ami is friends with donald trump?...
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stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. already it is taking a personal and professional toll with trump required to watch his own legal drama unfold from the defendant's chair. as the "washington post" puts it, "despite efforts to squall dinners with dough noers and friends and world leaders join him, trump's moods are worse on trial days." and remember, this is really just the beginning. an estimated two, four weeks left of this trial and a whole lot of other people still set to zest guy. joining us now, legal analyst glenn kirschner. and also gary has been in the overflow room in the courthouse. so what we are looking for this week? and is it possible if not this week then at some point we'll see stormy daniels and karen mcdougal? >> we're starting to content the dots of everything that we heard last week. the catch and kill scheme, talking about how the women's names were in the trump organization contact list. and then friday we just started to get an introduction into the banker gary farro who can provide the informat
stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. already it is taking a personal and professional toll with trump required to watch his own legal drama unfold from the defendant's chair. as the "washington post" puts it, "despite efforts to squall dinners with dough noers and friends and world leaders join him, trump's moods are worse on trial days." and remember, this is really just the beginning. an estimated two, four weeks left of this trial and a whole lot of other people still set...