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>> no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael cohen is my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> but no, you'll have to michael cohen. there was a million defrn different ways that politicians could avoid or dismiss things but he was still stuck to his blame michael cohen defense. ask him. it was all him. and he went rogue and quickly other lawyers had to come in and start changing the story. we don't know what out of court evidence they'll but using but they are going to take different parts of the timeline, the prosecutors, to show how the story shifted, which in essence is another way that you know was a cover-up. because he had the original thing and they covered it up and then in a sense they started covering up the cover-up. and then trump lawyer rudy giuliani basically went on live tv and changed the story and admitted or said trump did repay cohen. >> they funneled it through a law firm. funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. >> oh, i didn't know, he didn't? there is no campaign finan
>> no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael cohen is my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> but no, you'll have to michael cohen. there was a million defrn different ways that politicians could avoid or dismiss things but he was still stuck to his blame michael cohen defense. ask him. it was all him. and he went rogue and quickly other lawyers had to come in and start changing the story. we don't know what out of court...
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michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard about text messages that went back and forthwith the "national enquirer" when they went out to see karen mcdougal, one of the women who had a relationship with donald trump. they were trying to confirm if the story was true. there was an election night, a pledge that went back and for the between one of the lawyers involved that was representing karen mcdougal. we'll see a lot of that come through. and david pecker was not on the stand for very long. but just hearing the details that we got, the idea that they would, if a story, reporters were given about $10,000 to
michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard...
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cohen or articles about michael cohen. michael cohen's new statement is, quote, the imposed fine is irrelevant. judge merchan's decision elucidates that this behavior will not be tolerated and no one is above the law. again, judge merchan finding donald trump violated nine of the ten alleged violations that were brought forward by the district attorney's office so far. and even suggested the potential jail time could be a potential consequence if donald trump were continue to violate the gag order placed on him. >> everyone watching at home, stay with us. everybody else, stay close, we'll keep an eye on that manhattan courthouse throughout this hour. we'll have more in just minutes, including another critical hearing set for thursday on more possible gag order violations after that judge's ruling today. >>> and when we're back in 60 seconds, the chaos at columbia. student protesters occupying a historic campus building, what they're demanding from their university leaders. >> these repulsive scare tactics mean nothing comp
cohen or articles about michael cohen. michael cohen's new statement is, quote, the imposed fine is irrelevant. judge merchan's decision elucidates that this behavior will not be tolerated and no one is above the law. again, judge merchan finding donald trump violated nine of the ten alleged violations that were brought forward by the district attorney's office so far. and even suggested the potential jail time could be a potential consequence if donald trump were continue to violate the gag...
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it wasd only ever charged agait michael cohen, right? but the reason that federal crime was never charged against trump, well, it appears to be because the federal investigation into trump's culpability in this matter was perverted on trump's behalf by trump's appointees. so that is kind of this big gaping wound sitting right at the center of thisou trial. it is a constant reminder that it is bonkers that only michael cohen and o nobody else ever pa a price for this criminal scheme, right? it is also a constant reminder, you know, of something else and something, bigger than this ca. it is a big, bright flashing warning light about what we as a country should expect in a second trump presidency. you know how scary it is to think about bill barr doing this with ongoing investigations reportedly, with cases that have already been pled to, with sentences that have already been recommended by the justice department after a conviction for him to go in there and get in there and take apart all those cases on trump's behalf because trump told h
it wasd only ever charged agait michael cohen, right? but the reason that federal crime was never charged against trump, well, it appears to be because the federal investigation into trump's culpability in this matter was perverted on trump's behalf by trump's appointees. so that is kind of this big gaping wound sitting right at the center of thisou trial. it is a constant reminder that it is bonkers that only michael cohen and o nobody else ever pa a price for this criminal scheme, right? it...
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the case is about michael cohen and if you don't believe michael cohen, i think the jury has to acquit. >> it will be interesting to hear and see his influence on this jury and how the prosecutor navigates this potential trap i guess you could say. everybody stay with us. richard, we'll come to you on the other side of another quick break. please stay with us. you're watching our personal coverage here on msnbc. r personl coverage here on msnbc (psst! psst!) ahhh! with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary. spray flonase sensimist daily for non-drowsy long lasting relief in a scent free, gentle mist. flonase all good. also, try our allergy headache and nighttime pills. with schwab investing themes™, it's easy to invest in ideas you believe in. spot a trend in electric vehicles? have a passion for online gaming? or want to explore the space economy? choose from over 40 themes, each with up to 25 stocks identified by our unique algorithm. buy it as-is or customize to align with your goals. all at your fingertips. schwab investing themes. 40 customizable themes. up to 25 stocks in j
the case is about michael cohen and if you don't believe michael cohen, i think the jury has to acquit. >> it will be interesting to hear and see his influence on this jury and how the prosecutor navigates this potential trap i guess you could say. everybody stay with us. richard, we'll come to you on the other side of another quick break. please stay with us. you're watching our personal coverage here on msnbc. r personl coverage here on msnbc (psst! psst!) ahhh! with flonase, allergies...
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so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose michael cohen, the defendant, donald trump. michael cohen is exactly the kind of guy this you hire to do this kind of scheme, and you frame a weakness and try to fit it back into your broader narrative, that's what i would expect the prosecution to do here. >> there's a point here, i'd like to ask vaughn about that. in the access hollywood tape to the jury, he said he didn't know he was on -- and he's also mentioning hope hicks, so these are some of the characters that we will be -- and incidents that we'll be hearing, even though the video is not going to be shown, but the transcript is available. >>
so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose...
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let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all that info regarding our friend david. i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay. >> cash? >> no, no, no. >> jill, they're going to try to impeach michael cohen, but cohen i'm sure has more of that. he's on the phone with him saying i need to do the thing i'm accused of doing. >> not only that. one, he's pled guilty. two, they have done a very skillful opening statement. and by calling david pecker as the first witness, they are building the structure that will then lead to the supporting beams and the det
let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up...
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corroborating michael cohen. you can believe michael cohen when he says that he took $130,000 line of credit and he created this llc and then he wired it to mr. davidson. why? because mr. pharaoh explained how and mr. davidson explained how. miss daniels explained how. it's very important to put all of these people to corroborate michael cohen. outline the conspiracy to promote donald trump's election by unlawful means which is what the prosecution theory is for that additional crime that would elevate the falsifying business records to a felony. he is very important. he negotiated with michael cohen. >> vaughn, going from what catherine mentioned, has there been any sightings of stormy daniels today outside of the courthouse? >> reporter: no, not at this point in time. we have received no word about stormy daniels being seen. she's been public about her documentary that was released on peacock just about a month ago here ahead of this trial. outside of that, she has had social media posts, but we have not seen h
corroborating michael cohen. you can believe michael cohen when he says that he took $130,000 line of credit and he created this llc and then he wired it to mr. davidson. why? because mr. pharaoh explained how and mr. davidson explained how. miss daniels explained how. it's very important to put all of these people to corroborate michael cohen. outline the conspiracy to promote donald trump's election by unlawful means which is what the prosecution theory is for that additional crime that would...
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the michael cohen federal case revelations, michael cohen pleading guilty, coming clean, saying what happened, that left in its wake not just like a slimy trail of, yuck, don't let the kids read the news anymore. it leftws in its wake one legitimately baffling question, which was, wait, now, who's getting in trouble for this now? who's the one person getting in trouble for this crime? just michael cohen, really? he's going to federal prison for years, and he's the only one? why is that? why is he the only one? you know why that was. we now know why that was. and it's really bad. it's one of the worst things we learned about donald trump's behavior as president and what he waspr able to do as presiden. he tell ourselves all these stories now about,rs oh, you kn, thank god there were adults in the rooman that said no to him. we should be worried if there won't be adults in the room next time. we tell ourselves feel good stories. oh, thank goodness the institutions held, and he wasn't able to wreck the american system of government and the american rule of law the way he wanted tto. rea
the michael cohen federal case revelations, michael cohen pleading guilty, coming clean, saying what happened, that left in its wake not just like a slimy trail of, yuck, don't let the kids read the news anymore. it leftws in its wake one legitimately baffling question, which was, wait, now, who's getting in trouble for this now? who's the one person getting in trouble for this crime? just michael cohen, really? he's going to federal prison for years, and he's the only one? why is that? why is...
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one of those minions is michael cohen, and this was all michael cohen's show, not donald trump who was mostly in the dark. the people know they're going to explore that as a defense t. they are prebutting it, rebutting it in advance. >> graff is off the stand. no redirect. everything you said, danny, is now moot. >> you didn't have to point it out. >> once again. she's off the stand, they're going to get a third witness today. we're waiting to see who that witness is. we're going to take a quick break. once again, our coverage of donald trump's criminal hush money trial continues in just a moment. inues in just a moment ♪♪ missing out on the things you love because of asthma? get back to better breathing with fasenra, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a parasit
one of those minions is michael cohen, and this was all michael cohen's show, not donald trump who was mostly in the dark. the people know they're going to explore that as a defense t. they are prebutting it, rebutting it in advance. >> graff is off the stand. no redirect. everything you said, danny, is now moot. >> you didn't have to point it out. >> once again. she's off the stand, they're going to get a third witness today. we're waiting to see who that witness is. we're...
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but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please shut up. please just do your testifying in the courtroom, but the prosecutor does not control michael cohen. i'm not sure anyone controls michael cohen. so he's not doing the prosecution that he favors in a way that makes his testimony even more credible. although we know at the same time, that he now des dispiezs trump. with regard to the testimony of cohen, they want to hit it and quit it. >> paul and danny, i don't know what the rest of the trial holds when they reconvene on thursday, but the start of this has been pretty dog gone interesting. thank you both. i'm sure we'll speak again very s
but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please...
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michael cohen case was a federal case. when michael cohen pled guilty, the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, the federal prosecutor running the office investigating and prosecuting cohen, that was a u.s. attorney named jeffrey berman. jeffrey berman is a lifelong republican, he was appointed to his post at fdny by president trump, he worked on the trump campaign and the trump transition, but after jeff berman was fired from the trump administration, after he was fired by the u.s. attorney in fdny, he wrote a book about what happened to him in that job, and one of the things he described in detail, was about the michael cohen case. according to jeffrey berman, running that u.s. attorney's office, after michael cohen pled guilty and was sentenced to three years in prison for this crime, president trump's appointees of the u.s. the part of justice in washington, maine justice, they started repeatedly reaching down into berman's office, into fdny, to try to make the whole case basically go away. this is from jeff berman's book called holding the li
michael cohen case was a federal case. when michael cohen pled guilty, the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, the federal prosecutor running the office investigating and prosecuting cohen, that was a u.s. attorney named jeffrey berman. jeffrey berman is a lifelong republican, he was appointed to his post at fdny by president trump, he worked on the trump campaign and the trump transition, but after jeff berman was fired from the trump administration, after he was fired by the...
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michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are already in unprecedented territory here. but that's not the most important point. the federal case, michael cohen coming clean, saying what happened. that left in its wake not just like a slimy trail of yuck don't let the kids read the news anymore. it left in its wake one legitimately baffling question. which was, wait now, who is getting in trouble for this now? who is the one person getting in trouble for this crime? just michael cohen? really? he is going to federal prison for years and he is the only one? why is he the only one? you kn
michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are...
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this is going to take it from the ami deal to direct negotiations with michael cohen, where michael cohen made the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels under a code name that they used, stormy daniels and keith davidson. and that eventually they're going to ultimately try to get that donald trump paid michael cohen back and knew what he was doing. donald trump is walking out right now. the court is in a short recess. eric trump is there for the first time. we have been talking about how the family wasn't there. i have ten seconds left, but tell me what does it mean to have eric there? >> i think it is important for the people who are really paying attention. he did not have any of his family members there before and so the fact that now someone has finally showed up on his behalf is probably a good thing, but the question is are you going to stay and are you going to continue to be there? >> you say finally, only been a week. thank you very much. chuck rosenberg, catherine christian, love the polka dots today, my friend. court is in recess. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell
this is going to take it from the ami deal to direct negotiations with michael cohen, where michael cohen made the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels under a code name that they used, stormy daniels and keith davidson. and that eventually they're going to ultimately try to get that donald trump paid michael cohen back and knew what he was doing. donald trump is walking out right now. the court is in a short recess. eric trump is there for the first time. we have been talking about how the...
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even though he apparently never paid michael cohen this way before, coincidentally after michael cohen on his own volition and for his own reasons decided to take out a home equity line of credit in order to pay a star that he himself never met and never had with, coincidentally after michael cohen just decided to do that out of the goodness of his own heart for his own mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump, quits and that only after that happened, trump decided to start a new way of paying his longtime lawyer that involved $35,000.00 checks he signed in the oval office and it was all a coincidence and not of it had anything to do with the election. maybe. we will see. we are going to talk tonight about what prosecutors said about how they came up with the payment plan to michael cohen. personally, i unintentionally loudly started in court when i heard this, which was not at all polite. it annoyed the person sitting next to me. i will apologize and explain. we will talk about that. we will talk about the first witness, whose name is packer because the news guns l
even though he apparently never paid michael cohen this way before, coincidentally after michael cohen on his own volition and for his own reasons decided to take out a home equity line of credit in order to pay a star that he himself never met and never had with, coincidentally after michael cohen just decided to do that out of the goodness of his own heart for his own mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump, quits and that only after that happened, trump decided to start...
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they are hoping michael cohen will flip. i don't see michael doing that. sleep well tonight the, you have friends in high places. and they say michael cohen began to distance himself and he says the defendant switched gears and said if anyone is looking for a good lawyer, i strongly suggest you do not obtain the services of michael cohen. made up stories. steinglass goes on to say you should not prevent the jury from hearing these tweets now. this evidence now. and again, i just want to reiterate, right, we are 90 minutes into this thing, about an hour and 40 minutes at this point. we started half an hour late. this is supposed to be about jury selection. they are still going over what evidence here is admissible, guys. >> yasmin, what's going on with the gag order? >> so what i'm hearing when it comes to the gag order -- and i'm just looking through this -- go ahead, what are you seeing? so my producer andy just passed me something, prosecutor joshua steinglass is now going after trump's recent attacks on potential witnesses suggesting that trump violated
they are hoping michael cohen will flip. i don't see michael doing that. sleep well tonight the, you have friends in high places. and they say michael cohen began to distance himself and he says the defendant switched gears and said if anyone is looking for a good lawyer, i strongly suggest you do not obtain the services of michael cohen. made up stories. steinglass goes on to say you should not prevent the jury from hearing these tweets now. this evidence now. and again, i just want to...
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that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i don't know what it matters. i don't get why michael cohen, why his credibility would matter since all of the facts of the money movement he is involved with our established before he opens his mouth. >> so, that is exactly what the state is going to argue in summation. you are going to hear the defense say if that is true, why did they call him? he has a ton of baggage. they are saying they really need him. he can provide evidence about he says donald trump knew that the scheme was to have these false business records. remember everythin
that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i...
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michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved notifying mr. cohen about negativetories about women, what was the objective of that. david pecker, as i did in the past, when i notified michael cohen of a negative story, he would try to vet it himself to see if it is true or not and then go to the individual publication to make sure it wasn't getting published an getting killed. brag team, prior to that meeting have you ever purchased atory to the to print it? pecker, no. brag team. and how did that part of it, not publishing the stories help you? pecker, it didn't. crazy. >> fake f
michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved...
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he is completely likable as a witness and also michael cohen. he is not punching back in the same way. he has so many deliverables for this prosecution. >> susanne, on that note about him not being michael cohen, david pecker is someone who talked about idolizing and respecting donald trump to this day. he was someone when they were sitting around, it wasn't just these cases and what we are talking about, he was also writing stories and putting them in the national enquirer about trump's rivals. he seems to be a much better witness than michael cohen who has already been and gone to jail for lying. talk a little bit about that. >> i think it is important that people know that david pecker is a principle here. he was talking to donald trump and another principle . michael cohen is a lawyer that was going out and executing what donald trump wanted. donna trump's lawyers i think will make michael cohen out to be a rope actor but what you saw with david pecker was a principle ahead of the national enquirer talking to his friend donald trump about pl
he is completely likable as a witness and also michael cohen. he is not punching back in the same way. he has so many deliverables for this prosecution. >> susanne, on that note about him not being michael cohen, david pecker is someone who talked about idolizing and respecting donald trump to this day. he was someone when they were sitting around, it wasn't just these cases and what we are talking about, he was also writing stories and putting them in the national enquirer about trump's...
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we were thinking, michael cohen is the star witness and how will they corroborate michael cohen. and i really think the way to think about this case is this case is made very much without michael cohen. i mean, this is so corroborated and it is not just that you have david pecker and now keith davidson, they're stories are just hand and glove. i mean, they fit together so perfectly. and they tell a complex story. i mean, something that if you were making it up, it wouldn't be -- it would be kind of intricacy and also it is completely corroborated particularly with respect to mr. davidson by so many texts and email exchanges an the written documents. this is one where with almost every question there is a reference to a document so that the jurors could see there is no question about what he is saying. it is completely backed up. so by the time you get to michael cohen, i think the way that i think this is going to be summed up on by the prosecution, is to say, you know what, if michael cohen had said anything else, you would have thought he was lying. it is so completely consiste
we were thinking, michael cohen is the star witness and how will they corroborate michael cohen. and i really think the way to think about this case is this case is made very much without michael cohen. i mean, this is so corroborated and it is not just that you have david pecker and now keith davidson, they're stories are just hand and glove. i mean, they fit together so perfectly. and they tell a complex story. i mean, something that if you were making it up, it wouldn't be -- it would be...
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how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they were different stories. >> well, if you're talking about how this relates back to the election, what we know, and what we knew at the time was that this happened in the context of a very close race with a month or so to go until election day and polls starting to show the race moving away from trump after the first debate with hillary clinton, and so you can really see in the way the campaign reacted to it that, you know, this was something that they were concerned about. people very close to trump thought the race was over. thought he was going to have to drop out. or sort of politely u
how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they...
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michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on both sides of this, but in the context of the trial, what will the jury find as most believable, beyond a reasonable doubt? >> you can certainly almost always make an argument on both sides of any question. the question is can you make a credible argument on both sides? you're playing one audiotape. and it is important. but it is not going to be by itself determinative, chris. it will be important to corroborate what cohen says, it will be important to corroborate what pecker says, and it may corroborate what other pe
michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on...
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and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just materialize overnight. there was litigation. there was motion practice that happened that this indictment survived because a lot of people want to say there's nothing here. there's no there there. donald trump whipping out like a toddler, look at all of my friends saying there's no crime here. well, jonathan turley is not the gold standard for that. so what happened is when you heard the testimony through pecker that there was a conspiracy, and the conspiracy existed with the defendant and michael cohen, and now david pecker, and you heard that the purpose of all of these catch and kill were to insure ther
and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just materialize overnight. there was litigation. there was motion...
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michael cohen, and you know i've never been a fan of michael for various reasons. you know, he's a serial liar. he's shown himself incapable of telling the truth. his legal acumen leaves a lot to be desired. let's just say if leonard hand or darrow had a love child, it would be cohen. >> he claimed he just paid retainer money and now it's being prosecuted as financial froud, lying about the expense. you have a lot of experience in the case. is donald trump lying when he says it was going to be a retainer? >> i don't believe that. if you look at the interviews you and i conducted in 2018, i've always scoffed at that. my point is one just of trial dynamics. who's going to tell the story. the problem is if the prosecution relies predominantly on michael cohen and documents don't admit themselves into evidence. i see various legal commentators talk about well, this is a document case. well, that may be true to a certain degree, but you've still got to have somebody on the stand that tells the story. and to say that michael cohen is a problem witness would be an underst
michael cohen, and you know i've never been a fan of michael for various reasons. you know, he's a serial liar. he's shown himself incapable of telling the truth. his legal acumen leaves a lot to be desired. let's just say if leonard hand or darrow had a love child, it would be cohen. >> he claimed he just paid retainer money and now it's being prosecuted as financial froud, lying about the expense. you have a lot of experience in the case. is donald trump lying when he says it was going...
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to hear things from michael cohen you have heard from others. the other is they are going to think about how to rehabilitate him on redirect. that's something that i'm quite sure they are prepared for. >> thank you so much for being with us this morning. appreciate it. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can reach me at social media. you can watch clips from our show at msnbc.com/jdb on youtube. thank you for the privilege of your time. katy tur picks up with more news right now. >>> right now on "andrea mitchell reports," former president trump found in context of his gag order and fined by judge merchan who threatened jail time if donald trump refuses to respect the
to hear things from michael cohen you have heard from others. the other is they are going to think about how to rehabilitate him on redirect. that's something that i'm quite sure they are prepared for. >> thank you so much for being with us this morning. appreciate it. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can reach me at social media. you can watch clips from our show at msnbc.com/jdb on youtube. thank you for the privilege of your time. katy tur picks up with more...
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michael cohen is a -- and you know i've never been a fan of michael for various reasons. you know, he's a serial liar. he's shown himself to be incapable of telling the truth. >> okay, avenatti is behind bars. he obviously has some credibility issues, but glenn, is this a case of it takes one to know one? >> yeah, you know, anytime i prosecuted a conspiracy, a criminal agreement involving multiple people, ana, everybody in that conspiracy was a criminal, many of them were liars. so what i had to try to do was bring the lower level conspirators on board, flip them, clean them up so to speak, meaning i would look for every shred of evidence that corroborated what they were now telling us, the investigators and the prosecutors about what they did and about what their co-conspirators did. and in one sense, yes, michael cohen can be viewed as damaged goods, but in another sensuous -- sense, he's going to be corroborated. why is he damaged? he is damaged in large part because he was telling lies to help donald trump stay out of hot water. that is actually the kind of weakness o
michael cohen is a -- and you know i've never been a fan of michael for various reasons. you know, he's a serial liar. he's shown himself to be incapable of telling the truth. >> okay, avenatti is behind bars. he obviously has some credibility issues, but glenn, is this a case of it takes one to know one? >> yeah, you know, anytime i prosecuted a conspiracy, a criminal agreement involving multiple people, ana, everybody in that conspiracy was a criminal, many of them were liars. so...
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it wasn't michael cohen. who had sex with stormy daniels, it wasn't michael cohen. who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution has put in a few things about he's a challenging kind of client for that bank guy. pecker thinks he exaggerates. so the jury, i'm sure, is very curious to see this guy. and i think the da's main task, they have laid the tracks well, but they know that cohen is coming. their main task is between hicks, between pecker, and then the paperwork is to corroborate every single hole so at the end of the day, they can get up and say, look, michael cohen, first of all, you can believe him for these reasons, but even if yo
it wasn't michael cohen. who had sex with stormy daniels, it wasn't michael cohen. who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name...
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both michael cohen can too, depending on how he testifies. he's got a lot more credibility issues than david pecker. >> i think some may be surprised to learn through this process that paparazzi were being sent to meetings when there was no interest in it. and maybe that the -- you know, martians maybe weren't real. interesting also to see, vaughn, how right now there is that attempt by the defense to damage the credibility of david pecker, specifically on things he said about donald trump and whether donald trump thanked him or did not thank him. >> right, that january 2017 meeting that we're talking about at trump tower when we were -- first got on the show, jose, in which david pecker testified that he went to trump tower there, and just after a meeting that donald trump had with the likes of james comey, reince priebus and sean spicer there, two weeks before he was sworn in as president, david pecker replaced all the individuals and had testified this week that that is where donald trump had thanked him for purchasing the rights to dino t
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that is david pecker and michael cohen. that establishes the agreement as long as the jury believes the witnesses, right? then once you have the agreement? what's it for? it's to conceal the fact and these are the words that are going to come from the judge, that come from the judge. to conceal the agreement to unlawfully influence the 2016 election. so that goes back to your . point as why would michael cohen do that? how does he benefit from that? he does not benefit from this agreement. donald trump is the one who benefitted and the witnesses we believe will be lined up are the ones like hope hicks who was on the campaign and we know from the search warrant from the southern district of new york that the precise times of calls calls that we know that the district attorney is looking at to establish hope hicks as a campaign operative actively and consistently in communication with michael cohen including a call that donald trump was on. right? all of this evidence to your point unless there is some way that the defense ca
that is david pecker and michael cohen. that establishes the agreement as long as the jury believes the witnesses, right? then once you have the agreement? what's it for? it's to conceal the fact and these are the words that are going to come from the judge, that come from the judge. to conceal the agreement to unlawfully influence the 2016 election. so that goes back to your . point as why would michael cohen do that? how does he benefit from that? he does not benefit from this agreement....
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michael cohen didn't go to jail. how imperative is it to make it simple. >> always important to try to make the story as -- >> the defense has a very different job. this feels like a reasonable doubt defense. there isn't evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the president knew about these checks. they'll chip away at the credibility of the witnesses, cohen, first and foremost, daniels herself. so lisa is right, the facts of the checks being written and the reports, that that will go in uncontested. the key facts that will be in dispute is the person and knowledge. then the ultimate trump card, so to speak -- not to use a bad pun -- is nullification. the wildcare is a juror who says, i can following the instructions, i'm going to listen to the evidence, i'm going to make my decision based on the facts presented in court, that's what gets the juror qualified, but thinking ennor that and says i don't care if the facts meet the law, i'm not going to vote for convict, because and i have problem with the whole things. th
michael cohen didn't go to jail. how imperative is it to make it simple. >> always important to try to make the story as -- >> the defense has a very different job. this feels like a reasonable doubt defense. there isn't evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the president knew about these checks. they'll chip away at the credibility of the witnesses, cohen, first and foremost, daniels herself. so lisa is right, the facts of the checks being written and the reports, that that will...
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she is a loyalist and here she is, taking the stand to cooperate michael cohen? that would be must-see tv if only they had cameras in the courtroom. >> you put that vision in my mind. i do not want to picture that. last words, perry. who are you most interested in seeing and why? >> michael cohen, just because -- he is at the center of this, but we also know what will be interesting is this is -- you will see fireworks from president donald 's team as they cross-examine michael cohen and try to really take away his credibility in the eyes of the jury. from both sides on that one, it will be an interesting one and important one to watch >> a great chat. i would love to see you here again soon. thank you. >>> their lives changed in an instant. the damage left behind for more than 100 tornadoes that touched down this weekend. we are back in 60 seconds. seco. >>> more breaking news. college student standing call is that -- solidarity vowing to give up their protest on campus is across the country. this as jewish leaders and some lawmakers demand president joe biden t
she is a loyalist and here she is, taking the stand to cooperate michael cohen? that would be must-see tv if only they had cameras in the courtroom. >> you put that vision in my mind. i do not want to picture that. last words, perry. who are you most interested in seeing and why? >> michael cohen, just because -- he is at the center of this, but we also know what will be interesting is this is -- you will see fireworks from president donald 's team as they cross-examine michael...
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and has trump said -- we know he goes bad on michael cohen yesterday. what has he said about david they've been friends and allies for decades. >> it was interesting because at trial you start with their most important witness and end with your strongest typically. this gave us a witness of where this is going and it was telling from the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to link this directly to the election. the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump ended this catch and kill for the campaign. it was to attack political opponents. it was for david -- and this is clearly where it's going. david was asked how we operated and orchestrated the catch and kill schemes. over $10,000 that editors had to ask him if they could spend that kind of money on sources and try to get stories. he will narrate the entirety of the relationship between trump and him and the national enquirer and that's why it makes them important. >> the prosecution is hoping he will be that narrator, neal? >> absolutely. i think the aim of the prosecution and
and has trump said -- we know he goes bad on michael cohen yesterday. what has he said about david they've been friends and allies for decades. >> it was interesting because at trial you start with their most important witness and end with your strongest typically. this gave us a witness of where this is going and it was telling from the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to link this directly to the election. the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump ended...
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why donald trump and michael cohen would want to try to silence stormy daniels. try to buy her story, bury it. because at the moment in the campaign, late 2016, a month before the election, the access hollywood tape comes out and it looks like he is going to, donald trump hemorrhage suburban women and lose the election. they want to try to stem the bleeding. i'll read you more about what's going on inside the courtroom. davidson says that the access hollywood tape gave her story new life and new value. he says the hot mike recorded statements by both men, meaning donald trump and billy bush, were troublesome according to davidson. that tape then had tremendous influence on the marketability of stormy's story. there had been very little interest in the agent that was representing daniels selling stormy's story. it was not until that access hollywood tape reached a crescendo, his words. davidson is explaining that even though there was another outlet that we published a 2011 stormy story, we understood it would get worse if she amplified the story by talking about
why donald trump and michael cohen would want to try to silence stormy daniels. try to buy her story, bury it. because at the moment in the campaign, late 2016, a month before the election, the access hollywood tape comes out and it looks like he is going to, donald trump hemorrhage suburban women and lose the election. they want to try to stem the bleeding. i'll read you more about what's going on inside the courtroom. davidson says that the access hollywood tape gave her story new life and...
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david pecker testified just a moment ago when he called michael cohen about this fec letter, that michael cohen said in response, quote, jeff sessions is the attorney general and trump has him in his pocket. in that david pecker is saying, let him to question whether michael cohen was somebody who would exaggerate statements, because he knew that donald trump didn't have jeff sessions in his pocket. all of this is an effort here apparently by the defense team for donald trump in front of the jury here to question michael cohen's credibility and the statements who is the key witness before they get to the point that michael cohen's credibility is something they should question. >> are prosecutors trying to establish the payments had a campaign connection? isn't that essential to the -- >> if they can't, there you go. that's going to be the end of the case. i'm not in the courtroom, but i'm reading the -- what we call the google doc. the defense attorney is doing an excellent cross-examination. his job as to this cross is to create reasonable doubt. he is trying to do that. he is simultaneo
david pecker testified just a moment ago when he called michael cohen about this fec letter, that michael cohen said in response, quote, jeff sessions is the attorney general and trump has him in his pocket. in that david pecker is saying, let him to question whether michael cohen was somebody who would exaggerate statements, because he knew that donald trump didn't have jeff sessions in his pocket. all of this is an effort here apparently by the defense team for donald trump in front of the...
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it wasn't michael cohen. it wasn't stormy daniels. it was david pecker. there must be a reason for that. they have faith in him. we'll see if he delivers today. >> he's also somebody notably that trump hasn't been attacking on social media when they're arguing this gag order and whether he violated it. the other key thing that we know of is what david pecker knew, what he was involved in, and we spoke with msnbc spoke with the former executive editor of "the national enquirer," who worked with pecker, he was on with nicolle wallace yesterday. take a listen. >> august 2015, two months after donald trump goes down the escalator where they had this meeting, michael cohen and it is trump and it is david pecker and where pecker says he'll be the eyes and ears of the campaign. the organization i used to work for will purchase negative stories off the market and will run negative stories about your rivals. david pecker can really act as a tour guide for the jury. >> kristen, he takes us back to 2015, before trump was president, during the campaign. how important
it wasn't michael cohen. it wasn't stormy daniels. it was david pecker. there must be a reason for that. they have faith in him. we'll see if he delivers today. >> he's also somebody notably that trump hasn't been attacking on social media when they're arguing this gag order and whether he violated it. the other key thing that we know of is what david pecker knew, what he was involved in, and we spoke with msnbc spoke with the former executive editor of "the national enquirer,"...
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there was a conversation after david pecker talked with michael cohen, and michael cohen told him he had not been reimbursed for the stormy daniels payment, he asked david pecker to talk on the sidelines with donald trump, and his testimony here just in the last hour to the jury was that he told donald trump, quote, when i went back to mr. trump's office i said to him that michael cohen is very concerned about his bonus this year and i want you to know he's very loyal. he has been working very hard for you. no explicit statement that there was a specific conversation about stormy daniels, apparently, but at least there was a conversation about the extent to which michael cohen's bonus was a concern and the fact that he had been loyal to him. the question here coming out of the lunch break is does the prosecution hone in on exactly what those conversations between those two actually meant. >> that's what's so interesting. we all know. we have covered this forever now. donald trump doesn't use e-mail. he hasn't used text until relatively recently. there's not a paper trail with donald
there was a conversation after david pecker talked with michael cohen, and michael cohen told him he had not been reimbursed for the stormy daniels payment, he asked david pecker to talk on the sidelines with donald trump, and his testimony here just in the last hour to the jury was that he told donald trump, quote, when i went back to mr. trump's office i said to him that michael cohen is very concerned about his bonus this year and i want you to know he's very loyal. he has been working very...
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says and point to what michael cohen says so what what he says has greater credibility than michael cohen himself. >> ankush khardori, let's talk about the order of all of this. the prosecution starts with the blockbuster witness, david pecker. now they are moving into the nitty-gritty. what kind of strategy goes into the sequence here? >> i think it is largely chronological, so far, as i can see it. they are just trying to lay out, tell the story in a simple chronological fashion, the best way to tell a story often is chronologically. but, i think that is what is happening here. i expect at some point, perhaps even next week, they are going to need to start to move into, okay, how are these records, how are these payments booked internally within the trump organization. maybe next week or the following week, at some point, the trial needs to get there. that is the meat and potatoes of the actual charges against trump. >> eugene, trump keeps complaining about the trial keeping him off the campaign trail and wednesday, when, you know, wednesday was his one day off from court this week, and
says and point to what michael cohen says so what what he says has greater credibility than michael cohen himself. >> ankush khardori, let's talk about the order of all of this. the prosecution starts with the blockbuster witness, david pecker. now they are moving into the nitty-gritty. what kind of strategy goes into the sequence here? >> i think it is largely chronological, so far, as i can see it. they are just trying to lay out, tell the story in a simple chronological fashion,...
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trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her story and her silence but, here's the asterisk, which is great, trump was supposed to repay p ecker, he wasn't just doing this as charity. he was the pass-through, if you will. but trump did what he always does, he stiffed him on the bill $150,000, which is why michael cohen was the one forced to pay stormy daniels out of his own pocket. that, of course, is why trump was ultimately in court today. msnbc legal correspondent wasn't watching from inside the courtroom, andrew rice also in the courtroom today, he is a writer near magazine where he just profil
trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her...
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that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be attacked and he will be on cross-examination as a convicted felon who really has a passing acquaintance with the truth, other witnesses and other documents will show the jury they can trust the overall story. >> chuck rosenberg, andrew weissmann, vaughn hillyard, thanks so much. we'll be checking back with you later in the program. >>> and as donald trump is in that new york city courtroom with david pecker, of course, on the stand, a central figure in the hush money case, president biden is traveling to florida this hour to
that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be...
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michael cohen and stormy daniels both have been public about how michael cohen page stormy done daniels for her silence. one that is in dispute. what trump has disputed since the story became public in 2018 was whether trump knew about it. whether ciampa knew at the time that his payments to michael cohen were in fact a reimbursement to michael cohen for fronting the hush money to stormy daniels.>> what trump knew about that reimbursement system and when he knew it will also be central to the case. which is what makes these less recognizable names also very interesting. jeffrey mccarney and madeline -- mccarney was the former controller for the trump organization. he would've had access and may be even needed to approve the payments to michael cohen. which we are all classified as payments for legal services. wester house was trump's oval office secretary cohen was being reimbursed by trump. because trump was doing all of this reimbursing while he was in the white house as the president she would've had a front row seat. and that is not even the whole potential witness list. joining me
michael cohen and stormy daniels both have been public about how michael cohen page stormy done daniels for her silence. one that is in dispute. what trump has disputed since the story became public in 2018 was whether trump knew about it. whether ciampa knew at the time that his payments to michael cohen were in fact a reimbursement to michael cohen for fronting the hush money to stormy daniels.>> what trump knew about that reimbursement system and when he knew it will also be central to...
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then why did michael cohen make this if -- >> you'll have to ask michael cohen. michael's my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael. >> what trump knew about that reimbursement system and when he knew it will also be central to the case, a which is what makes these less recognizable names also veryec interesting. jeffrey mcconney and madeleine. mcconney was the former controlleras for the trump administration. he would have had t access and maybe needed to approve the payments to michael cohen, which were all classified as payments for legal services. trump's oval office secretary during the period when cohen was being reimbursed by trump. because trump was doing all this reimbursing when he was in the white house as president, she a front row seat. and that's not even the whole potential witness list. joining me now to discuss our msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin and kush kadori. lisa, i was interested in this potential witness list, and i'm sure you were interested and more informed in following this case and deep legal expertise. who among those names st
then why did michael cohen make this if -- >> you'll have to ask michael cohen. michael's my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael. >> what trump knew about that reimbursement system and when he knew it will also be central to the case, a which is what makes these less recognizable names also veryec interesting. jeffrey mcconney and madeleine. mcconney was the former controlleras for the trump administration. he would have had t access and maybe needed to approve the payments to...
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michael cohen directly, and that was in 2007. he seems -- the prosecution is setting up the prosecution here of where cohen was having direct contact with david pecker, and donald trump let pecker know this, if he heard from michael cohen, he was hearing from trump, and that what seems to be in the line of questioning right now, josÉ. >> so interesting. and pecker is now talking about the popularity of trump for his magazine, previous to 2015, and certainly up to the election, but it's interesting, he's saying when mr. trump launched the "celebrity apprentice," basically "the national enquirer" skyrocketed and we did research on proper covers and which celebrity, and all the time, every time we did this mr. trump would be the top choice. this is a guy who had a lot of celebrity as his commodity which helped him get to the white house. >> absolutely. that's really the great power that trump has is his ability to marshal media attention and get it to shine on him. that's always been the biggest thing. it's not managing businesses,
michael cohen directly, and that was in 2007. he seems -- the prosecution is setting up the prosecution here of where cohen was having direct contact with david pecker, and donald trump let pecker know this, if he heard from michael cohen, he was hearing from trump, and that what seems to be in the line of questioning right now, josÉ. >> so interesting. and pecker is now talking about the popularity of trump for his magazine, previous to 2015, and certainly up to the election, but it's...
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michael cohen, suzanne. what's your sense of the trump team's mind-set and how concerned trump might be about some of these people taking the stand? >> i have to say when i looked at that lineup, i think they're all going to be a strong supporting cast. i think michael cohen is kind of considered the main narrator, he's in the middle of all of it. you look, hope hicks is one that's definitely going to be powerful. david pecker was running the national inquirer and had an arrangement with donald trump. they were friends, and he had offered to be sort of the eyes and ears of the campaign. and how that works when you're sitting at the national inquirer is a lot of stories come into the national inquirer where somebody like stormy daniels wants a payment for their story. normally the national inquirer will buy it and run it. a lot of people know this term now, a catch and kill. he was in the middle of some of those payments, either in the case of one of them that made the payment and other ones was going back an
michael cohen, suzanne. what's your sense of the trump team's mind-set and how concerned trump might be about some of these people taking the stand? >> i have to say when i looked at that lineup, i think they're all going to be a strong supporting cast. i think michael cohen is kind of considered the main narrator, he's in the middle of all of it. you look, hope hicks is one that's definitely going to be powerful. david pecker was running the national inquirer and had an arrangement with...
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but is this kind of classic michael cohen? >> look, michael cohen is making a strong case for himself being the most irrepressible star witness in history at this point. i mean, he's, you know, he's written two memoirs on his experiences with former president trump. he's hosted a very popular podcast, actually had a number of celebrities on to talk about his personal journey. working for trump then turning against him and also his broader thoughts on trump and the political movement he leads. i think this is the classic michael cohen. he's been very chatty in a way that i'm sure has given prosecutors tense moments about the things he, you know, directly or indirectly, the things he will be addressing when he takes the stand in this trial. >> maybe chatty bordering on, can't stop himself, jeremy. and also, i guess we can make the argument that may not eve describe it because what happened today in court, there have been complaints from the defense side, look, you've got this gag order on donald trump and he can't talk about wit
but is this kind of classic michael cohen? >> look, michael cohen is making a strong case for himself being the most irrepressible star witness in history at this point. i mean, he's, you know, he's written two memoirs on his experiences with former president trump. he's hosted a very popular podcast, actually had a number of celebrities on to talk about his personal journey. working for trump then turning against him and also his broader thoughts on trump and the political movement he...
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cohen were, in fact, a reimbursement to michael cohen for fronting the hush money to stormy daniels. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> michael's my attorney and you'll have to ask michael. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> no, i don't know. >> what trump knew about that reimbursement system and when he knew it will also be central to the case, which is what makes these less recognizable names also very interesting, jeffrey mcconnie. he would have had access and maybe needed to approve the payments to michael cohen which were all classified as payments for legal services. westerhaut was the oval office secretary and because trump was doing all this reimbursing while he was in the white house as the president, she would have had a front row seat. that's not even the whole potential witness list. joining me now to discuss our msnbc legal correspondent lisa ruben and ankush khandori. you were more informed, lisa, given your following and deep legal expertise. who among those names stuck out as being essential to the prosecution'
cohen were, in fact, a reimbursement to michael cohen for fronting the hush money to stormy daniels. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> michael's my attorney and you'll have to ask michael. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> no, i don't know. >> what trump knew about that reimbursement system and when he knew it will also be central to the case, which is what makes these less recognizable names also very...
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michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the substance of this is what the inquirer did not practice -- did not publish as part of a practice known as catch and kill. culminating in a 2015 meeting -- >> reporter: tonight a person with the matter tells nbc news that candidate trump was in the room when the national enquirer publisher discussed ways that ami could help quash negative stories about mr. trump's relationships with women. >> that was from 2018 when the meeting was first reported. in that meeting in august he told trump through michael cohen that anything i hear in the mar
michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the...
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avenatti says about michael cohen is from the absence of knowledge. whatever motives he had, he admitted to having personal conflict with michael. i would say that the credibility of mr. avenatti compared to michael cohen who testified before seven congressional committees and withstood that cross-examination and also testified plane other times -- and this case which i know something about because i was with him through the collaboration is backed up by documents and witnesses that verify and confirm michael cohen told the truth. and i believe this jury will find the same credibility as judge engoron did. >> yeah, and mr. cohen will be a star witness, i think that's fair, yes? >> yes. but not the only witness. i can't tell you too much -- >> i didn't say only, lanny. >> but i am saying to eryone and you're aware of this that there are multiple witnesses that document that donald trump directed michael cohen to pay for this money to deprive the american people of the information that might have changed the election. >> and that's important, and you're
avenatti says about michael cohen is from the absence of knowledge. whatever motives he had, he admitted to having personal conflict with michael. i would say that the credibility of mr. avenatti compared to michael cohen who testified before seven congressional committees and withstood that cross-examination and also testified plane other times -- and this case which i know something about because i was with him through the collaboration is backed up by documents and witnesses that verify and...
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trump is not -- what michael cohen did. donald trump has pleaded not guilty to the 34 charges. >> that's a lot and there's a lot we're going to get to but i should say what we witnessed over the last several hours the just the start of a hugely consequential week for the former president who is simultaneously the republican nominee, presumed nominee. certainly the front-runner for the nomination. we learned this morning what details from donald trump's past judge merchan will allow prosecutors to bring up if mr. trump takes the stand as he's claimed that he will. in another manhattan courtroom today, the question is whether the insurer that provided donald trump a $170 million bond has the financial strength to issue the guarantee. now if the judge rules against him, mr. trump will have ten days to come up with the cash. also for the first time today in the florida classified documents case, witness statemented that had been redacted have been made public. back in new york tomorrow, judge merchan will hold a hearing about t
trump is not -- what michael cohen did. donald trump has pleaded not guilty to the 34 charges. >> that's a lot and there's a lot we're going to get to but i should say what we witnessed over the last several hours the just the start of a hugely consequential week for the former president who is simultaneously the republican nominee, presumed nominee. certainly the front-runner for the nomination. we learned this morning what details from donald trump's past judge merchan will allow...
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he's a legal adviser to michael cohen. jamie raskin is here as well. >>> i want to start with the breaking news out of the middle east. overnight, iran carried out an hour long airborne attack inside israel marching more than 300 missiles and drones. 99% of the incoming fire was intercepted. thanks to the iron dome and defense systems funded by the united states and a coordinated effort. only a few of the missiles launched actually entered israel causing minor damage at an israeli air base. a young girl was injured biochip fell, but no reports of other casualties. iran says it was in retaliation for the israeli strike on a building in damascus syria that killed several commanders earlier this month. now, despite being adversaries for more than 40 years, this marks the first time iran launched a direct attack on israel from inside their own territory. and for that reason, it is unprecedented. it's important to remember that. iran also made clear last night, through a statement issued by the u.n. mission that they were done.
he's a legal adviser to michael cohen. jamie raskin is here as well. >>> i want to start with the breaking news out of the middle east. overnight, iran carried out an hour long airborne attack inside israel marching more than 300 missiles and drones. 99% of the incoming fire was intercepted. thanks to the iron dome and defense systems funded by the united states and a coordinated effort. only a few of the missiles launched actually entered israel causing minor damage at an israeli air...