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mcdougal. >> i think this testimony is going to be important because you've got karen mcdougal, the question is with her, did she want something or not from this. and trump's lawyers have portrayed this deal that she cut with ami, that it was illegal and that becomes important in terms of the jury believing whether or not there were crimes committed, and are they tied to another crime. and when you're looking at this, i think karen mcdougal's motives here will become important. did she expect something from this deal? or not? david pecker, he testified that, no, in fact, karen mcdougal did get something for this, but really it was a hush money payment, and i think we're going to see this afternoon or as the week see this afternoon or as t week goes on just more information about exactly what karen mcdougal testified and expected from this and i think that will become important in terms of the defense's case on this. >> i don't know if the jury is going to react the same way that you all have, but it is clear when davidson took the stand the interest and frankly a lot of the details
mcdougal. >> i think this testimony is going to be important because you've got karen mcdougal, the question is with her, did she want something or not from this. and trump's lawyers have portrayed this deal that she cut with ami, that it was illegal and that becomes important in terms of the jury believing whether or not there were crimes committed, and are they tied to another crime. and when you're looking at this, i think karen mcdougal's motives here will become important. did she...
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he is talking about karen mcdougal and non-disclosure agreements. explain the significance. >> reporter: keith davidson has not been a public figure. it's not like he has come out and done tv interviews or talked about his representation of stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. that's why for the prosecution, he could be key here as linking these pieces together. he was the one in 2016 who was negotiating the selling of karen mcdougal and stormy daniels' story. he will be able to provide some veracity to the expected testimony of michael cohen and their exchanges and how ultimately the negotiations of their sales went down. right now, the prosecution for the jury is simply setting up, how did you become aware of karen mcdougal? he is saying he knew her for 25 years. he got connected to her via a friend of his. then started representing her in the summer of 2016. that is where the retainer was set up. he was beginning to personally advise and provide counsel for her. he was sort of the attorney/agent role there where alleged he was negotiating, helping
he is talking about karen mcdougal and non-disclosure agreements. explain the significance. >> reporter: keith davidson has not been a public figure. it's not like he has come out and done tv interviews or talked about his representation of stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. that's why for the prosecution, he could be key here as linking these pieces together. he was the one in 2016 who was negotiating the selling of karen mcdougal and stormy daniels' story. he will be able to provide...
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story not to help donald trump, but to help karen mcdougal. defense attorney emil bove. and you were very clear on cross-examination that ms. mcdougal did not want to publish that story, right? that is correct. bove, she wanted to promote her name and brand, correct? yes. she, karen mcdougal was illegitimate celebrity at that time, right? pecker, let me say this. did she meet the celebrity category at that time? no. there were reportedly audible chuckles in the courtroom after that happened. it was not what you would call a highlight moment for the defense. in fact, to be honest from my perspective almost none of it so far has seen all that great for donald trump. maybe you don't need a compelling narrative when the job is to get jurors to believe in reasonable doubt or maybe this is what is happening when you work with an impossible client and do a better job. what does a competent defense strategy look like in this trial? is it turns out, joining me now is andrew wiseman, and anna bello, a pleasure to have you both onset. first of all, i am
story not to help donald trump, but to help karen mcdougal. defense attorney emil bove. and you were very clear on cross-examination that ms. mcdougal did not want to publish that story, right? that is correct. bove, she wanted to promote her name and brand, correct? yes. she, karen mcdougal was illegitimate celebrity at that time, right? pecker, let me say this. did she meet the celebrity category at that time? no. there were reportedly audible chuckles in the courtroom after that happened. it...
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one was karen mcdougal. you had her first and her last name, her email, i think there was a phone number there. it was actually put up on a screen for the court to see, and then the other information was stephanie clifford, but it didn't say stephanie clifford, all it said was "stormy," and then it had a cell phone number. it is interesting, because i think part of the reason rona graff was brought in to testify was to establish potentially for the defense that the relationship between donald trump and stormy daniels could have been about stormy daniels wanting to become a contestant on "the celebrity apprentice," that she wanted something from him. because she came to trump tower in 2007, she has written about it in her book called "full disclosure," they had a meeting, and the allegation that was left for the defense by the jury is that she was there angling to get a slot or a celebrity spot on that show, "celebrity apprentice." >> interesting. kristy, you had taught blanche to explain somewhat awkwardly t
one was karen mcdougal. you had her first and her last name, her email, i think there was a phone number there. it was actually put up on a screen for the court to see, and then the other information was stephanie clifford, but it didn't say stephanie clifford, all it said was "stormy," and then it had a cell phone number. it is interesting, because i think part of the reason rona graff was brought in to testify was to establish potentially for the defense that the relationship...
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mcdougal. >> karen mcdougal and promised he was going to put her on the cover and then he realized he wasn't getting paid back, he was like, i'm not doing anymore. is that the sequence? >> he said on the stand, i'm not a bank. that's kind of almost why we're here, because of the stormy daniels payoff, boss he didn't want to front that money, because he had already fronted up the 30k for the doorman, that catch and kill that we did. and then, he would also have put up the money for karen mcdougal, the 150k. by the time stormy daniels comes on the scene straight off the "access hollywood" tape where the campaign is panicking. they don't want any more sordid details. that transaction is then put back on michael cohen and trump because pecker doesn't want to front any more money. what i found extraordinary today, many extraordinary moments, but one of them and i think this was brilliant by the prosecution, really showing how the deal was structured with karen mcdougal, david pecker knew this was a campaign finance violation. the waythy structured that contract for the fitness columns whic
mcdougal. >> karen mcdougal and promised he was going to put her on the cover and then he realized he wasn't getting paid back, he was like, i'm not doing anymore. is that the sequence? >> he said on the stand, i'm not a bank. that's kind of almost why we're here, because of the stormy daniels payoff, boss he didn't want to front that money, because he had already fronted up the 30k for the doorman, that catch and kill that we did. and then, he would also have put up the money for...
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who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution has put in a few things about he's a challenging kind of client for that bank guy. pecker thinks he exaggerates. so the jury, i'm sure, is very curious to see this guy. and i think the da's main task, they have laid the tracks well, but they know that cohen is coming. their main task is between hicks, between pecker, and then the paperwork is to corroborate every single hole so at the end of the day, they can get up and say, look, michael cohen, first of all, you can believe him for these reasons, but even if you don't, every single piece. but i bet bac
who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution...
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whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was, you know, he was very very concerned about it. >> so i said a moment ago, and andrew weissmann points this out. the 24 million was regarding stormy daniels, not karen mcdougal, but this was george conway telling, you know, this network that he was at a dinner where he heard donald trump talking about this. could he end up testifying? i mean, is this an opening for the d.a. to call george conway? >> you know, i don't think so. what i would say is it's consistent with, you know, that he's reacting to this, but it's not really corroborative of exactly what david pecker is saying because, you know, david pecker has a direct conversation with donald trump, and as vaughn correctly said, it's important for both what it is, and it's also important because as the piece that vaughn has alluded to, which is donald trump then saying he doesn't know anything about it, you can be sure the d.a. is going to play that so that you have that sort of, you know, there's nothing better for menta
whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was, you know, he was very very concerned about it. >> so i said a moment ago, and andrew weissmann points this out. the 24 million was regarding stormy daniels, not karen mcdougal, but this was george conway telling, you know, this network that he was at a dinner where he heard donald trump talking about this. could he end up testifying? i mean, is this an opening for the d.a. to call george conway? >> you know, i don't think so....
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but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she didn't give prosecutors some of the admissions they wanted. they were trying to establish trump had a business reason to have stormy in his rolodex, in particular, he was looking at her as a plausible candidate for the celebrity apprentice. she wouldn't necessarily go there. she said yeah, i have a vague recollection based on some office chatter that she was talked about as an interesting candidate. but never did she say i heard it directly from trump. i overheard trump talking about her. rather, she saw her once in the reception area of the business offices at
but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she...
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when i talked first about the agreement with karen mcdougal and ami. on cross, there is an attempt to say, well, lawyers negotiated this, even in the opening, this was blessed by lawyers. to give the jury the impression that lawyers said this is okay so donald trump must've thought it was okay. by the way, an objection that got sustained because you can't make that argument. he has no advice of counsel or presence of counsel. >> ruled out in pretrial motions. >>. now you have this agreement. the agreement, the word campaign doesn't show up once, right ? this agreement with karen mcdougal is for promotional opportunities, for her to be on the cover of the magazine, for her to go straight articles. and, he never on redirect, it was so effective from the state because they are like campaign doesn't come up anywhere. when you talked to your attorney, ami general counsel, you never mentioned michael cohen, you never mentioned the campaign, you never mentioned you were trying to help once the election. there's not but, this looks like a standard agreement fo
when i talked first about the agreement with karen mcdougal and ami. on cross, there is an attempt to say, well, lawyers negotiated this, even in the opening, this was blessed by lawyers. to give the jury the impression that lawyers said this is okay so donald trump must've thought it was okay. by the way, an objection that got sustained because you can't make that argument. he has no advice of counsel or presence of counsel. >> ruled out in pretrial motions. >>. now you have this...
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having karen mcdougal and david and dylan howard on the witness stand explaining the karen mcdougal hush money case, explaining why the national enquirer was catching and killing stories that could be bad for donald trump in the lead up to the presidential election, well, that could really help illustrate trump's intent in a very similar case, the stormy daniels case. to that end, also on the potential witness list is keith davidson. davidson was the attorney for both karen mcdougal as she negotiated her payment from the national enquirer and he was the attorney for stormy daniels, as she negotiated her payment to stay quiet. i am sure mr. davidson has plenty to say about what he believes motivated the silencing of his two clients' stories. if you recall, the reason d.a. bragg has to prove the why here is because the way he structured the charges against trump here is not just one singular crime. bragg has charged trump with a misdemeanor, the falsifying of business records, but bragg elevated that charge to a felony by alleging trump falsified those business records in service of commit
having karen mcdougal and david and dylan howard on the witness stand explaining the karen mcdougal hush money case, explaining why the national enquirer was catching and killing stories that could be bad for donald trump in the lead up to the presidential election, well, that could really help illustrate trump's intent in a very similar case, the stormy daniels case. to that end, also on the potential witness list is keith davidson. davidson was the attorney for both karen mcdougal as she...
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yes, karen mcdougal is a big part of this. she's not charged here in large part because the conduct she alleges false outside of the statute of limitations but this is going to be a big part of the story that's shows there is a whole range of conduct that this particular candidate and those around him were invested in keeping from everyone else. >> andrew, it is karen mcdougal who, in january after the election, they decide, you know what, we don't have to hold her to the nondisclosure anymore because we after the election, which is such a key element in incentives here. >> what the state needs to make sure the jury does not sort of go off on is that this was just a schema with respect to melania trump. that is the john edwards defense. they need to say this isn't just some personal thing, this is about the campaign. the fact of what he does afterwards. apparently, david is going to say into that and 17, he meets with donald trump, who thanks him for helping him win the campaign and win the election. >> that is all in the open
yes, karen mcdougal is a big part of this. she's not charged here in large part because the conduct she alleges false outside of the statute of limitations but this is going to be a big part of the story that's shows there is a whole range of conduct that this particular candidate and those around him were invested in keeping from everyone else. >> andrew, it is karen mcdougal who, in january after the election, they decide, you know what, we don't have to hold her to the nondisclosure...
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karen mcdougal and david . they are on the list as well as the man who was the editor in chief of the national enquirer at the time of that catch and kill scheme . dillon howard. now the hush money at the center of monday's trial is not the hush money the national enquirer paid karen mcdougal to kill her story. the hush money at the center of monday's trial is the money paid to stephanie clifford. you probably know better but the stage name stormy daniels. but the contours of these cases are very very similar. daniels like mcdougal was ready to go public with her story. and was paid to stay silent. what's more both of these payments the money for karen mcdougal and stormy daniels those payments were made in the lead up to the 2016 election. and that could be key here. because one of the things one of the essential things that district attorney alvin bragg will have to prove in the case is why donald trump did what he did. why he arrange those payments to stormy daniels. having karen mcdougal and david in dillon
karen mcdougal and david . they are on the list as well as the man who was the editor in chief of the national enquirer at the time of that catch and kill scheme . dillon howard. now the hush money at the center of monday's trial is not the hush money the national enquirer paid karen mcdougal to kill her story. the hush money at the center of monday's trial is the money paid to stephanie clifford. you probably know better but the stage name stormy daniels. but the contours of these cases are...
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karen mcdougal is a playboy. i'm ready for him to say, okay, this is what night -- i need your help with. he said, they made a decision to pay her under $150,000 and the story will never see the light of day. i am sitting there going, and what world would we not run that story? what is actually going on? what am i a part of year? it was a moment where i was like, this will end my career. >> i want to show you keith davidson describing these interactions with david pecker . >> she believed they were not fulfilling the terms of the deal and she was upset and we scheduled a meeting with ami, who we met with -- they met with david pecker, who is an incredible man. there were even further promises that were made to her at that meeting, so the situation became worse, not better, and that was really a great source of frustration for everyone involved on our side. >> what we know now, what david pecker allegedly admitted to when prosecutors were talking with michael cohen to protect the president, there was a phrase he u
karen mcdougal is a playboy. i'm ready for him to say, okay, this is what night -- i need your help with. he said, they made a decision to pay her under $150,000 and the story will never see the light of day. i am sitting there going, and what world would we not run that story? what is actually going on? what am i a part of year? it was a moment where i was like, this will end my career. >> i want to show you keith davidson describing these interactions with david pecker . >> she...
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that's how they were structuring karen mcdougal's deal. as david howard told me, i'm going out to los angeles to buy this story, to bury it. there was no mention of fitness columns, that came to late later, i was the one that was instructed, we now need to come up with these fitness columns. i was assigned a ghost writer. the first column ran and karen mcdougal called david pecker in a rage, because there was something in the column about vitamin c, and so we needed to get a new ghost writer. >> i mean lord, she does look good. we do have, obviously, there's no sound coming out of court, but i do want to read for folks this exchange. pecker didn't want to purchase the stormy daniels story. that was part of the -- one of the bombshells, if you will, this past week in court from thursday. pecker says michael cohen asked me to pay for this story to purchase it. i said i'm not purchasing this story. i'm not going to be involved with a porn star. we're not paying any more monies. the prosecution said how did michael cohen take that? pecker, he
that's how they were structuring karen mcdougal's deal. as david howard told me, i'm going out to los angeles to buy this story, to bury it. there was no mention of fitness columns, that came to late later, i was the one that was instructed, we now need to come up with these fitness columns. i was assigned a ghost writer. the first column ran and karen mcdougal called david pecker in a rage, because there was something in the column about vitamin c, and so we needed to get a new ghost writer....
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>> that david pecker was killed in the catch and kill stories including karen mcdougal and other catch and kill stories, that he was at meetings when these were discussed, but when it came to stormy daniels, he backed out, for a reason that actually was, you know, really silly in that he was never reimbursed or never paid back and he didn't want to get involved with a porn star according to his own testimony because of contracts he had with walmart. that's why the people are calling him. what the defense is trying to do in cross examination is create separation. okay, there may have been this karen mcdougal arrangement there may have been this 2015 meeting, there may have been this catch and kill with a doorman, but you were not involved in the whole stormy daniels saga, so therefore you don't have valuable information about that. look, there are not a lot of options for cross examination. i've been thinking about it entirely during his direct testimony. where would the defense go? and they can only go to the classics, his ability to remember, his moative in that he has an agreement or
>> that david pecker was killed in the catch and kill stories including karen mcdougal and other catch and kill stories, that he was at meetings when these were discussed, but when it came to stormy daniels, he backed out, for a reason that actually was, you know, really silly in that he was never reimbursed or never paid back and he didn't want to get involved with a porn star according to his own testimony because of contracts he had with walmart. that's why the people are calling him....
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karen mcdougal, and david pecker. they are on the ligs as well as the man the editor-in-chief at the national enquirer at the time thaf otcatch and kill scheme, dylan howard. it's not the hush money the national enquirer paid karen mcdougalen to kill her story. the hushll money at the center monday's trial is the money paid to adult film star stephanie clifford, when you probably knou better by the stage name stormy daniels. but the contour of these cases are very, very similar. daniels like mcdougal was ready to goga public with her story a was paid to stay silent. what's moreo both of these payments, the money for karen mcdougal and stormy daniels, those payments were made in the lead-upen to the 2016 election, and that could be key here. because one of the things -- one of the central things that district attorney alvin bragg will have toal prove in his cai why donald trump did what me did, why did he arrange those payments to stormy daniels? having karen mcdougal and dylan and explaining why the national enquirer
karen mcdougal, and david pecker. they are on the ligs as well as the man the editor-in-chief at the national enquirer at the time thaf otcatch and kill scheme, dylan howard. it's not the hush money the national enquirer paid karen mcdougalen to kill her story. the hushll money at the center monday's trial is the money paid to adult film star stephanie clifford, when you probably knou better by the stage name stormy daniels. but the contour of these cases are very, very similar. daniels like...
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so up you have stormy daniels, you have karen mcdougal. we saw of key players. the women who were involved and the details could be even more revealing in terms of trump's actual involvement. we hear that the defense will site stormy daniels does not know anything about what went wrong in terms of the business records, but stormy daniels will still be relying kind of her interactions with the former president and i think that will be very uncomfortable for trump as he continues to have to sit through weeks of these cases and these stories that are being laid out for the jury to hear. >> let's discuss the supreme court hearing arguments on thursday on trump's claims of presidential immunity. it appears some justices believe at least some immunity is necessary. to the questions indicate to you how they are likely to rule? >> alex, they did and the indicated that to me indirectly because of some of the things we heard the justices say. is not related to the issue before them, but i thought it was amazing that justice alito actually said, isn't it true that the gran
so up you have stormy daniels, you have karen mcdougal. we saw of key players. the women who were involved and the details could be even more revealing in terms of trump's actual involvement. we hear that the defense will site stormy daniels does not know anything about what went wrong in terms of the business records, but stormy daniels will still be relying kind of her interactions with the former president and i think that will be very uncomfortable for trump as he continues to have to sit...
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vaughn, trump's lawyer has been asking pecker about his negotiations with karen mcdougal. what are they getting at? >> reporter: this is all part of the effort here from the defense team to make the case to the jury that this was a long-standing practice on the part of the "national enquirer" to buy up stories and workshop them, make sure to see whether they were true or not, but also to put out other negative stories about other celebrities or politicians medical record to help boost sales because they are a company that is trying to drive publications sales and make money, and when it comes specifically to karen mcdougal, there is an exchange here where emil bove, donald trump's attorney asks her, quote, when you first learned about this, you understand ms. mcdougal did not want to publish. what she wanted was to restart her career, and ami could help her, to which david pecker responded, yes. what they are trying to lay out is that david pecker was not initially engaging with karen mcdougal in an effort to, you know, keep her from going public because she never intended
vaughn, trump's lawyer has been asking pecker about his negotiations with karen mcdougal. what are they getting at? >> reporter: this is all part of the effort here from the defense team to make the case to the jury that this was a long-standing practice on the part of the "national enquirer" to buy up stories and workshop them, make sure to see whether they were true or not, but also to put out other negative stories about other celebrities or politicians medical record to help...
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karen mcdougal . he wanted to say, even if this is a misdemeanor or falsification of business records, the next crime does not exist. it is not an election crime because this is about protecting melania, not to influence an election. david pecker said melania was not even mentioned. this was all about helpingselection. finally, wanted to make this case about michael cohen, who has some problems because he was convicted of felonies, including lying, but he was lying for president donald . but here, you have david providing cooperation for what michael cohen is going to testify to. it is one thing to say you are a liar. it is another thing to say you are a liar, but everyone seems to cooperate your story. >> i got that hogan's hero analogy with the sergeant. one of the central themes of david testimony was the arrangement he made with president donald to have the parent company of the national mcdougal pay playboy model karen mcdougal $150,000 for her story, alleging she had a 10 month long affair with
karen mcdougal . he wanted to say, even if this is a misdemeanor or falsification of business records, the next crime does not exist. it is not an election crime because this is about protecting melania, not to influence an election. david pecker said melania was not even mentioned. this was all about helpingselection. finally, wanted to make this case about michael cohen, who has some problems because he was convicted of felonies, including lying, but he was lying for president donald . but...
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mcdougal quiet and there was a lunch between karen mcdougal and david pecker and the editor and chief of the "national enquirer" where they were discussing potentially how she could continue to elevate her role within the american media business empire, but while also not talking about donald trump, and so all throughout the first year of donald trump's administration, we as the public did not understand the lengths to which donald trump allegedly was working with michael cohen, with hope hicks, with now sarah huckabee sanders, to try to continue to keep the full story of these individuals alleged affairs and the alleged hush money payment to keep them silent before the 2016 election from the public not only in 2016 but 2017 and using the white house in 2018 as well. >> what's amazing, i hear that there is some activity behind you, vaughn, just look around to make sure you're still safe -- the talking about maybe this is just a trigger, a former white house staffer, but all of the invoking west wing communication staffers at the highest levels and here's what pecker said about jeff se
mcdougal quiet and there was a lunch between karen mcdougal and david pecker and the editor and chief of the "national enquirer" where they were discussing potentially how she could continue to elevate her role within the american media business empire, but while also not talking about donald trump, and so all throughout the first year of donald trump's administration, we as the public did not understand the lengths to which donald trump allegedly was working with michael cohen, with...
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karen mcdougal was doing. in other words, was she sufficiently happy to keep others quiet? when she wasn't, at a point in time after she had sued the "enquirer" and wanted to be released from her non-disclosure agreement, trump was furious to see the interview with anderson cooper. pecker recounted that information, as well, willie. >> it's interesting. shorthand for this trial for some has been the stomy daniels hush money case, but karen mcdougal was the focus yesterday. $150,000 that mr. pecker says he paid. hired her for a job. it was kind of a no-show job as a fitness writer, something like that. how does karen mcdougal factor into this case? how central is she? >> karen mcdougal is not central to the crime itself. remember, again, the manhattan d.a. has charged donald trump with falsification of business records. but what makes it a felony, according to the d.a., is that those business records were falsified with the intent to either commit or conceal a crime. they have now elaborated on that theory. bas
karen mcdougal was doing. in other words, was she sufficiently happy to keep others quiet? when she wasn't, at a point in time after she had sued the "enquirer" and wanted to be released from her non-disclosure agreement, trump was furious to see the interview with anderson cooper. pecker recounted that information, as well, willie. >> it's interesting. shorthand for this trial for some has been the stomy daniels hush money case, but karen mcdougal was the focus yesterday....
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that the real intent of it was to buy karen mcdougal's silence. that is really important because this trial will come down to was there a crime concealed, and that's what we're all looking for, and they were trying to say, well, hang on, that wasn't a crime what happened, she did some stuff, and she got paid. i thought that, to me, was really important and on redirect, the government's lawyers came back in and kept asking pecker about it, and he kept saying over and over, sure, she did some stuff, but the real purpose of that was to silence her, and in fact, he ended up paying a fine to the federal election commission for that payment for -- because a corporation got involved in an election when they shouldn't have. >> one point when bove, kristy greenberg, was really it seemed again -- i'm reading the document. that's why i'm asking you folks who were actually in there, when bove was talking to pecker and challenging his interpretation of some of the things that happened, it ended essentially with pecker saying, you know, i'm trying to tell the t
that the real intent of it was to buy karen mcdougal's silence. that is really important because this trial will come down to was there a crime concealed, and that's what we're all looking for, and they were trying to say, well, hang on, that wasn't a crime what happened, she did some stuff, and she got paid. i thought that, to me, was really important and on redirect, the government's lawyers came back in and kept asking pecker about it, and he kept saying over and over, sure, she did some...
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karen mcdougal got paid off but the cast of characters never changes. the common denominator is michael cohen as the picture with david fixing the public face and donald trump paying it off. what was important is that there is some of us that are jaded having gone through this for years. going on this wild ride that is the donald trump experience. we are all in this courtroom and listening to all of this and we are still stunned when we hear todd blanche get up. by the way, the spaghetti theory, we have heard this as trial lawyers. you throw anything on the wall and hope something sticks. you just want to create reasonable doubt. if you created somehow, who cares how it happened. blanche is meandering. we will talk about this now but we will talk about this. it did not seem like there was any type of organized flow and he only used 35 minutes when he could have used more. i think he got to the point where he ran out of steam. and we would just sit down. >> reporter: one of the things in the opening is it is really important for both sides not to overpro
karen mcdougal got paid off but the cast of characters never changes. the common denominator is michael cohen as the picture with david fixing the public face and donald trump paying it off. what was important is that there is some of us that are jaded having gone through this for years. going on this wild ride that is the donald trump experience. we are all in this courtroom and listening to all of this and we are still stunned when we hear todd blanche get up. by the way, the spaghetti...
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but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to start with you because you're a defense attorney and you're new to this table. it's a challenge, right, no matter how many times the defense keeps going back and back and back to david pecker, trying to show this wasn't about the campaign, which is what you did, this is standard operating procedure, they said that over and over and over again yesterday. let me give you one of the later pieces of back and forth, and this is steinglass trying to, again, disprove that bove had just done, the defense attorney. how many, meaning of these stories, did you coordinate with a presidential candidate for the benefit o
but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to...
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he's going to be providing the background. >> let's play karen mcdougal. this is her in her interview about why she sold her story. >> why do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back? >> they wanted to squash the story. >> you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump. >> i'm assuming so, yeah. >> you think it's because of a personal relationship with the guy who runs ami is friends with donald trump? >> correct. >> so this is how it's an election interference trial. >> ami is david pecker. >> right, so the idea is they don't want the christian right who he's trying to court to know he's a cheater. >> yeah, you want to keep it private. also remember at that time, the "access hollywood," grab them by the you know what came out. you can't have karen mcdougal, stormy daniels, the "access hollywood," he was afraid, donald trump, that that would chill -- >> the joke is on everyone else. the so-called christian right doesn't care. there's also this piece that i think is very key. michael cohen, when he hi
he's going to be providing the background. >> let's play karen mcdougal. this is her in her interview about why she sold her story. >> why do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back? >> they wanted to squash the story. >> you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump. >> i'm assuming so, yeah. >> you think it's because of a personal relationship with the guy who runs ami is friends with donald trump?...
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stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. already it is taking a personal and professional toll with trump required to watch his own legal drama unfold from the defendant's chair. as the "washington post" puts it, "despite efforts to squall dinners with dough noers and friends and world leaders join him, trump's moods are worse on trial days." and remember, this is really just the beginning. an estimated two, four weeks left of this trial and a whole lot of other people still set to zest guy. joining us now, legal analyst glenn kirschner. and also gary has been in the overflow room in the courthouse. so what we are looking for this week? and is it possible if not this week then at some point we'll see stormy daniels and karen mcdougal? >> we're starting to content the dots of everything that we heard last week. the catch and kill scheme, talking about how the women's names were in the trump organization contact list. and then friday we just started to get an introduction into the banker gary farro who can provide the informat
stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. already it is taking a personal and professional toll with trump required to watch his own legal drama unfold from the defendant's chair. as the "washington post" puts it, "despite efforts to squall dinners with dough noers and friends and world leaders join him, trump's moods are worse on trial days." and remember, this is really just the beginning. an estimated two, four weeks left of this trial and a whole lot of other people still set...
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the day ended on the deal ami cut with playboy model karen mcdougal, who got $150,000 after pitching a story of her own. a year-long affair with trump, which she alleges and he denies. today, absolutely felt like a day to set up cohen's own testimony and to make the point which they did with exhibits on the big screens in the courtroom that what pecker is bringing to the table is not just stories about his favorite tabloid cover subject but also physical receipts. and it's only just the beginning, as the prosecution hasn't even gotten to the stormy daniels part of the story yet. joining me is neal katyal, former acting solicitor general and msnbc analyst. katie phang, trial attorney and host of the katie phang show right here on msnbc, who was at the courtroom with me today. and brian stelter, vanity fair special correspondent and author of the book of network lies. thank you all for being here. because you are at a disadvantage, our friend neal, i'm going to go to you first. what were you impressions today? >> first, i want to say katie's coverage of the trial live has been so spect
the day ended on the deal ami cut with playboy model karen mcdougal, who got $150,000 after pitching a story of her own. a year-long affair with trump, which she alleges and he denies. today, absolutely felt like a day to set up cohen's own testimony and to make the point which they did with exhibits on the big screens in the courtroom that what pecker is bringing to the table is not just stories about his favorite tabloid cover subject but also physical receipts. and it's only just the...
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from trump's former spokesperson hope hicks to karen mcdougal or stormy daniels. any one them could possibly take the stand as the week goes on. a former assistant district attorney in the manhattan d.a. office writes this morning in "the new york times" that although the headlines are salacious, the core of this case, the criminality is simple and serious. writing it is an important and straightforward case. albeit workman like and unglamorous. after the smoke mas cleared it is easy to see why the prosecution asolid and legitimate. it is about preventing wealthy people from using businesses to commit crimes and hide from accountability. accountability is something that trump has successfully evaded for many years now. marking this criminal trial as a potential rare moment of real consequence for the ex-president. and underscoring the challenge before the prosecution. that we will see more and more of as the trial continues, to present to the jury a compelling story of the alleged criminality by donald j. trump. this is a historic criminal trial of an ex president
from trump's former spokesperson hope hicks to karen mcdougal or stormy daniels. any one them could possibly take the stand as the week goes on. a former assistant district attorney in the manhattan d.a. office writes this morning in "the new york times" that although the headlines are salacious, the core of this case, the criminality is simple and serious. writing it is an important and straightforward case. albeit workman like and unglamorous. after the smoke mas cleared it is easy...
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meaning how is karen mcdougal. david pecker said he told trump in response thing for going fine, that she was staying quiet. david pecker says trump asked about her again that summer when he invited david pecker to come to the white house. david pecker says trump asked him, "how is karen doing?" he says he told trump she's quiet, everything is going good. david pecker said that he finally had to put his foot down on any additional payments for trump because trump was not paying him back like he said he would , first for a doorman from a trump party, who made a wild claim about a supposed it trump love child, then for karen mcdougal. again, david pecker expected to be paid back by trump for that payment. trump did not pay him back. this is from a reporter's notes from the trial today. david pecker told his editor, "we already pay $30,000.00 to doorman. we paid $150,000 ever since two karen mcdougal. i am not a bank. we are not paying out any further disbursements . david pecker testified he ultimately suggested trum
meaning how is karen mcdougal. david pecker said he told trump in response thing for going fine, that she was staying quiet. david pecker says trump asked about her again that summer when he invited david pecker to come to the white house. david pecker says trump asked him, "how is karen doing?" he says he told trump she's quiet, everything is going good. david pecker said that he finally had to put his foot down on any additional payments for trump because trump was not paying him...
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a second one, a woman named karen mcdougal who said she had an affair with john. they paid her to not tell about the story. there was the third one, stormy daniels. by this point, the inquirer was willing to make arrangements for her to be paid, to be quiet about that story. at that point they were not willing to put up additional money. michael cohen put up the money for that. the prosecutors explain this to the jury and then he says, prosecutor colangelo,, quote, cohen made the payment donald trump's direction benefit. he did it with the goal of influencing the outcome of the election. look, no politician wants bad press. the evidence at trial show it was not spinner communication strategy. it was a planned coordinated long-running conspiracy to influence the election, to help donald trump get elected through illegal expenditures. to silence people put something bad to say about his behavior using doctored corporate records and bank forms to conceal those payments along the way. it was election fraud pure and simple. we will never know if this conspiracy was the
a second one, a woman named karen mcdougal who said she had an affair with john. they paid her to not tell about the story. there was the third one, stormy daniels. by this point, the inquirer was willing to make arrangements for her to be paid, to be quiet about that story. at that point they were not willing to put up additional money. michael cohen put up the money for that. the prosecutors explain this to the jury and then he says, prosecutor colangelo,, quote, cohen made the payment donald...
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there's a lot of where that's coming from, that indicate that howard fully believes karen mcdougal was telling the truth, on election night, and was horrified to see what had gone down. if the statements had come into evidence i think that it would have been one more notch in the d.a.s belt with respect to proving the existence of the conspiracy and the understanding that this was not only wrong, but unlawful. >> go get some sleep, spend time with your families, we need you both, as we are all watching what's happening. thank you for joining us. >>> coming up, my colleagues are joining us and we will ask them about courtroom campaigning, debates, and whether joe biden should pick up the phone and call chris christie. with just one pill a day. choose acid prevention. choose nexium. hello, ghostbusters. it's doug. we help people customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. we got a bit of a situation. [ metal groans] sure, i can hold. ♪ liberty liberty liberty liberty ♪ in theaters now. hold up. if asthma isn't treating you right... you might be treating it wrong
there's a lot of where that's coming from, that indicate that howard fully believes karen mcdougal was telling the truth, on election night, and was horrified to see what had gone down. if the statements had come into evidence i think that it would have been one more notch in the d.a.s belt with respect to proving the existence of the conspiracy and the understanding that this was not only wrong, but unlawful. >> go get some sleep, spend time with your families, we need you both, as we...
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in the case of karen mcdougal, he confirmed that they suppressed her story to influence the election. and lots of details were revealed, but more importantly, he made clear he was aware that they were not only doing something unethical, but illegal. when asked point blank whether he knew that paying to kill stories on behalf of the presidential candidate was against the law, he said yes. lisa, so much legal news for both of you. thank you for being here. david pecker was first for a reason. you have both been part of the strategy. how did he lay the groundwork for the prosecutor's case as we look to the next stage? >> really only. that will have a lot to do with the homework that the manhattan d.a.s office stated. remember, this case is not so much about the hush money scheme as it is about falsification of business records, 34 counts of it. what makes it felony is that it was done with the intent of concealing or committing another crime. what david pecker did was establish that other crime, namely a conspiracy to promote or prevent the election of a particular person through unlawfu
in the case of karen mcdougal, he confirmed that they suppressed her story to influence the election. and lots of details were revealed, but more importantly, he made clear he was aware that they were not only doing something unethical, but illegal. when asked point blank whether he knew that paying to kill stories on behalf of the presidential candidate was against the law, he said yes. lisa, so much legal news for both of you. thank you for being here. david pecker was first for a reason. you...
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this morning, judge merchan ruled that prosecutors can tell karen mcdougal's story even though the trial is about the payments to stormy daniels. they may also call the national enquirer's ceo and former top editor as witnesses after they both testified to the grand jury. they can establish that trump was willing to pay handsomely to bury stories, even those unrelated to the charges in this case that might have negatively impacted his run for president. the judge also ruled that jurors won't hear some big details, like the fact that donald trump's wife was pregnant when he had an alleged affair with karen mcdougal, so that prompted me to remind the public of that. we don't know who will be on the jury or how they will rule, we do not know. this trial and all of the details around it are another reminder of exactly the kind of person donald trump is . so, how does lachlan cartwright, former editor, who had a front row seat, feel about this now? i will ask him when he joins me, next. me, next. so i started my own studio. getting a brick and mortar in new york is not easy. chase ink has sup
this morning, judge merchan ruled that prosecutors can tell karen mcdougal's story even though the trial is about the payments to stormy daniels. they may also call the national enquirer's ceo and former top editor as witnesses after they both testified to the grand jury. they can establish that trump was willing to pay handsomely to bury stories, even those unrelated to the charges in this case that might have negatively impacted his run for president. the judge also ruled that jurors won't...
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playboy playmate karen mcdougal and porn star stormy daniels. it was a text sent to the national enquirer, dylan howard. and davidson is on the stand right now on day nine of the donald trump election interference hush money trial. with explosive testimony being given right now about his dealings with ami and donald trump's inner most circle. earlier today, he told the court and the jury that dylan howard texted him back a response, quote, talk first thing. i will get you por than anyone for it. you know why. davidson said that he understood even back then that the owner of the national enquirer, that david pecker and donald trump were good friends. two weeks after the texts were exchanged, karen mcdougal met with howard, where she alleged that she had an affair with donald trump that went on for several weeks to months. and ami declined to pick up mcdoug al's story and returning to the bargaining table ome when abc news wanted it. they expressed interest in talking to mcdougal. but what abc wanted was for her to tell her story. something she di
playboy playmate karen mcdougal and porn star stormy daniels. it was a text sent to the national enquirer, dylan howard. and davidson is on the stand right now on day nine of the donald trump election interference hush money trial. with explosive testimony being given right now about his dealings with ami and donald trump's inner most circle. earlier today, he told the court and the jury that dylan howard texted him back a response, quote, talk first thing. i will get you por than anyone for...
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did that apply to karen mcdougal as well? yes. did he ever say he was currently -- concerned about his family? no." lisa rubin was in the courtroom, today. we don't have a proper transcript yet so we are piecing this together. the way that we cut and paste that together, is that true to what it felt like in courtroom proceedings today? >> it was to what it felt like but there were also a number of other explosive moments and to my mind, the biggest thing was david admission that he understood the payment to karen mcdougal was an unlawful campaign contribution and he understood that in real time, not after the fact. how? his own entanglement with arnold schwarzenegger, who was then going to be running for governor of california. he had a catch and kill scheme of his own with arnold schwarzenegger, who had been on the cover of two magazines that david pecker was acquiring, 70 or 80 times. the owner of this magazines said before we close these deals, you have to talk to arnold. arnold said, i'm a big deal with these magazines and i w
did that apply to karen mcdougal as well? yes. did he ever say he was currently -- concerned about his family? no." lisa rubin was in the courtroom, today. we don't have a proper transcript yet so we are piecing this together. the way that we cut and paste that together, is that true to what it felt like in courtroom proceedings today? >> it was to what it felt like but there were also a number of other explosive moments and to my mind, the biggest thing was david admission that he...
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they're talking about potential testimony from karen mcdougal. they say they're not going to get into the salacious details of what happened between donald trump and karen mcdougal, but they want to establish that donald trump had a one year long relationship with karen mcdougal while melania trump was pregnant with their child. they're going to talk about dino sajudan who was a doorman and his testimony as to what he saw during that time. they're also talking about the admission of tweets that were sent out by donald trump while michael cohen was under investigation, the admission of those tweets as well. so there's a lot of back and forth going on between both steinglass who is the attorney for the prosecution, todd blanche, the attorney for donald trump along with judge juan merchan. we're watching what's happening in the courtroom right now, and again, merchan usually is kind of weighing in as to what is admissible and what is not admissible after all of the evidence is laid out. one more thing that i do want to talk about, which is the acces
they're talking about potential testimony from karen mcdougal. they say they're not going to get into the salacious details of what happened between donald trump and karen mcdougal, but they want to establish that donald trump had a one year long relationship with karen mcdougal while melania trump was pregnant with their child. they're going to talk about dino sajudan who was a doorman and his testimony as to what he saw during that time. they're also talking about the admission of tweets that...
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the former attorney for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal is on the witness stand in manhattan. he's been on the stand for much of today. keith davidson negotiated the alleged hush money agreements for both women back in 2016. and while his tone on the stand today is not exactly colorful, the evidence jurors are seeing, specifically the text messages between davidson and dylan howard, those text messages are colorful. did he cheat on melania, howard asked davidson in a june 2016 text message, referring to karen mcdougal. do you know if the affair was during his marriage to melania, another text from howard a few days later. i really can't say yet, sorry. davidson reply. the prosecution asked him if he said that because he didn't know or because he wasn't ready to discuss the details yet. he said it was because i was not prepared to discuss the details at that point. a few weeks later, dylan tells davidson, quote, get me a price on mcdougal. all in. consulting gig programs as a fitness expert thrown into the mix. as davidson said karen mcdougal was torn between a deal with ami or
the former attorney for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal is on the witness stand in manhattan. he's been on the stand for much of today. keith davidson negotiated the alleged hush money agreements for both women back in 2016. and while his tone on the stand today is not exactly colorful, the evidence jurors are seeing, specifically the text messages between davidson and dylan howard, those text messages are colorful. did he cheat on melania, howard asked davidson in a june 2016 text message,...
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we paid $150,000 to karen mcdougal, i am not a bank. we're not epeeing out any further dispersements. pecker testified he ultimately suggested trump himself should be the one to pay for the third catch and kill payment on trump's behalf, the one for stormy daniels. that gets us to the most important part of david pecker's testimony, which is why trump was so concerned about keeping these negative stories about himself quiet. this is important because paying someone hush money, paying someone to not say a distasteful thing about you is not a crime. prosecutors are alleging that the hush money payments in this case were used to influence the election. they were an illegal contribution to trump's campaign, and then they say trump covered up the payments by creating false records to make them look like legal fees. again, from our reporters notes today, steinglass, prosecutor, did you ever have any intention of printing karen mcdougal's story about mr. trump. pecker, no we did not. steinglass, was your purpose to influence the election? >> y
we paid $150,000 to karen mcdougal, i am not a bank. we're not epeeing out any further dispersements. pecker testified he ultimately suggested trump himself should be the one to pay for the third catch and kill payment on trump's behalf, the one for stormy daniels. that gets us to the most important part of david pecker's testimony, which is why trump was so concerned about keeping these negative stories about himself quiet. this is important because paying someone hush money, paying someone to...
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that's karen mcdougal. let me show you some of karen mcdougal in her own words about how in her experience and her view, how connected she was to donald trump. >> as you enter a relationship, you start to think about where this is going to go and how you feel. how did you view it? how did you view the relationship? >> you know, going through it, when i look back where i was back then, i know it's wrong. i really sorry for that. i know it's the wrong thing to do. but back in those days -- sorry. >> it's okay. back there that day, i was a different girl. i had fun. i was in the playboy scene. i was just enjoying life as much as i could. when i got with him, there was a real relationship there. there were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just him. there was a real relationship there. i kind of, out of sight, out of mind, with everything else. i did have a lot of guilt but i still continued. >> you believe that he had real feelings for you? >> of course he did. i know he did. >> he woul
that's karen mcdougal. let me show you some of karen mcdougal in her own words about how in her experience and her view, how connected she was to donald trump. >> as you enter a relationship, you start to think about where this is going to go and how you feel. how did you view it? how did you view the relationship? >> you know, going through it, when i look back where i was back then, i know it's wrong. i really sorry for that. i know it's the wrong thing to do. but back in those...
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stormy daniels, karen mcdougal, and this doorman who has this story of donald trump fathering a child unwed, which apparently isn't true. that's number one. number two, they're going to attack his opponents in the 2016 election, ted cruz, marco rubio, and number three, they're going to promote good stories. we're hearing now from david pecker at the end of trial today, he's going into this emails. he has two emails. a number of telephones. we're going to start hearing these communications, texts, emails. it's the documentation, the checks, all of that that will back him up, and as danny said, he could be as important a witness as michael cohen. >> so thank you for being here, you were in sdny. i'm going to bring our off the record conversation during the break online. the issue here is that michael cohen was prosecuted by the southern district of new york, where you used to work. but the southern district of new york could not prosecute trump at the time, he was a part of the conspiracy. he's named in the cohen indictment, right? >> individual one. >> individual one, but he was presid
stormy daniels, karen mcdougal, and this doorman who has this story of donald trump fathering a child unwed, which apparently isn't true. that's number one. number two, they're going to attack his opponents in the 2016 election, ted cruz, marco rubio, and number three, they're going to promote good stories. we're hearing now from david pecker at the end of trial today, he's going into this emails. he has two emails. a number of telephones. we're going to start hearing these communications,...
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the prosecution turned to the hush money payment to karen mcdougal, a model who says she had an affair with trump. pecker recalled during this time cohen instructed him to use the messaging app signal instead of regular phones because it's encrypted and messages would be destroyed. and the d.a. has evidence that trump knew, trump knew all about this. a recording by cohen discussing the macdougal payment through david pecker. >> court will resume on thursday with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well, it was smart, katie, and i am reminded that it was you who first said that you thought david pecker would be a great kickoff witness. i think that'
the prosecution turned to the hush money payment to karen mcdougal, a model who says she had an affair with trump. pecker recalled during this time cohen instructed him to use the messaging app signal instead of regular phones because it's encrypted and messages would be destroyed. and the d.a. has evidence that trump knew, trump knew all about this. a recording by cohen discussing the macdougal payment through david pecker. >> court will resume on thursday with more testimony from david...
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pecker, that your purpose in lob -- locking up the karen mcdougal story is to influence the election? that's trying to bring it back to the connection to the elections since during cross-examination he was certainly acknowledging he had a longstanding relationship with the tabloid and that there were years and years before the campaign when they were both promoting trump's interests and covering up embarrassing stories. >> the prosecution has to do everything that he can to bring it back to -- it makes this case a felony, that donald trump conspired to promote his election by unlawful means. if they allow the defense to create reasonable doubt in that one juror, this was business as usual, this is what donald trump did with pecker, even before the election, this is what they do, where is the illegalness in this? the prosecution -- this is the first witness. we have a long way to go. in their summation, the prosecutors have to connect all the dots and explain to this jury why they have proven that donald trump concealed a crime when he falsified the business records. if they don't prov
pecker, that your purpose in lob -- locking up the karen mcdougal story is to influence the election? that's trying to bring it back to the connection to the elections since during cross-examination he was certainly acknowledging he had a longstanding relationship with the tabloid and that there were years and years before the campaign when they were both promoting trump's interests and covering up embarrassing stories. >> the prosecution has to do everything that he can to bring it back...
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whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was -- he was very, very concerned about it. >> that will forever be in my trump is daddy phase. this is, again, part of the story we didn't know, right. what we knew is what was public. let me read from the transcripts of how the women and the mission of silences the women took shape. brag's team, you mentioned women in particular, did you raise that or someone else? pecker, in a presidential campaign, i was a person that thought there would be a lot of woman who could come out to try to sell their stories baz trump was well-known as the most eligible bachelor. and this is why he'll never attack him and the most beautiful women and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office, it is very common for these women to call up magazine like the "national enquirer" and try to sell there stoyeries. what about bill and hillary clinton coming up? i was running hillary clinton as an enabler with bill clinton and it was easy to say i keep running
whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was -- he was very, very concerned about it. >> that will forever be in my trump is daddy phase. this is, again, part of the story we didn't know, right. what we knew is what was public. let me read from the transcripts of how the women and the mission of silences the women took shape. brag's team, you mentioned women in particular, did you raise that or someone else? pecker, in a presidential campaign, i was a person that thought there...
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same question to you, we have karen mcdougal, stormy daniels -- who will be next? >> i don't know if i am using stormy daniels yet, only because she's one of the bigger names left. you do have to have a witness to add flavor back to the prosecution's case to keep the jury engaged. you don't want to lose them because you need them to be able to follow everything taking place. as of right now, the prosecution has not got to the point where donald trump has committed any crime. you have the jury engaged, and right now gary farro is not going to do it. i expect them to come back with somebody with a little flavor and interesting testimony. >> thank you. that's going to do it for us today. see you back here tomorrow, same time, same place as always. i am ana cabrera. josÉ diaz-balart picks up the coverage right after this. afte. of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it's time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provide
same question to you, we have karen mcdougal, stormy daniels -- who will be next? >> i don't know if i am using stormy daniels yet, only because she's one of the bigger names left. you do have to have a witness to add flavor back to the prosecution's case to keep the jury engaged. you don't want to lose them because you need them to be able to follow everything taking place. as of right now, the prosecution has not got to the point where donald trump has committed any crime. you have the...
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in the case of karen mcdougal, they had a contract with her and that was according to david pecker solely to keep her story off the market but she did in signing that get other things with the agreement. she got, you know, she would have a column, she would get on the cover of a magazine. david pecker said that was all window dressing for the payment to keep her quiet but donald trump's lawyers will say that contract was actually legitimate and payment for services. that will come down to what the crime is. what was that payment, wasn't legal or not? >> you have the hush money case in new york and then you have before the supreme court the argument over presidential immunity. it's easy to talk about those in silos, but you say they are connected. >> they are connected because they are asking the courts, juries, and the country, is donald trump above the law. in the hush money case, you have a person who repeatedly attack potential wishes is that he is under a gag order. unlike any other defendant, he has not seen any repercussions. the prosecutors want a big fine. they don't want jail tim
in the case of karen mcdougal, they had a contract with her and that was according to david pecker solely to keep her story off the market but she did in signing that get other things with the agreement. she got, you know, she would have a column, she would get on the cover of a magazine. david pecker said that was all window dressing for the payment to keep her quiet but donald trump's lawyers will say that contract was actually legitimate and payment for services. that will come down to what...
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we paid $150,000 to karen mcdougal, and i am not a bank. he also said he no longer wanted to be reimbursed for that mcdougal payment. you get the sense that he realized what his own exposure was and perhaps raised a red flag? >> yeah, look. david pecker is testifying pursuant to an agreement he will not be prosecuted. what he has to offer up with that agreement is going to hold and protect him is truthful testimony. if he is caught lying, for instance, or had been caught on cross examination, then the deal would have been off and prosecutors could have gone after him. that was the dynamic here while he was on the stand, and prosecutors will be able to ask leigh not to the jury in a closing argument. you don't get to argue the law or point out to the jury the good points you are making when you have a witness on the stand. that all comes together in closing argument, and they certainly scored sums wrong point in terms of the elements of the crimes they need to establish and satisfy to the jury that they proved beyond a reasonable doubt durin
we paid $150,000 to karen mcdougal, and i am not a bank. he also said he no longer wanted to be reimbursed for that mcdougal payment. you get the sense that he realized what his own exposure was and perhaps raised a red flag? >> yeah, look. david pecker is testifying pursuant to an agreement he will not be prosecuted. what he has to offer up with that agreement is going to hold and protect him is truthful testimony. if he is caught lying, for instance, or had been caught on cross...
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trump asked about karen mcdougal situation and thanked him for it. comey spoke out about all of this. take a listen. ou >> i was alone with the president of the united states. or the president-elect soon to be president. i was honestly concerned he might lie about the nature of our meeting so i thought it important to document. >> what we are learning here and what is so striking, nobody knew comey was going to come back up. is how in that one meeting, there were allegedly at least two different violations. one federal that comey was talking about. the president-elect was talking up his tabloid deal. now at the center of the trial. you can see on that screen there, so, a lot we are learning and this is just the first week of testimony. we'll be right back. of testim. we'll be right back. after advil: let's dive in! but...what about your back? it's fineeeeeeee! [splash] before advil: advil dual action fights pain two ways. advil targets pain at the source, acetaminophen blocks pain signals. advil dual action. business. it's not a nine-to-five proposit
trump asked about karen mcdougal situation and thanked him for it. comey spoke out about all of this. take a listen. ou >> i was alone with the president of the united states. or the president-elect soon to be president. i was honestly concerned he might lie about the nature of our meeting so i thought it important to document. >> what we are learning here and what is so striking, nobody knew comey was going to come back up. is how in that one meeting, there were allegedly at least...
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we also don't talk about karen mcdougal. she got hush money payments as well. trump never attacked her credibility in public. these payments were made and the crux of this case is the fact that once they were made that the false business records was the crime and those are the documents. they don't lie and the money changing hands doesn't lie and so trump can complain all he wants but he can't fight the documents and the documents speak the truth. >> what about stormi daniels? what does she bring and can her colorful past become an issue? >> i think its tricky to impeach her than it is for the trump team to try to impeach michael cohen. she was at the center of this. she was the one who said -- who had the alleged affair and so she is at the center of the facts. i think that the more interesting people is less the central figures like michael cohen and stormi but people like david if you go back and think about relationships, especially the cast of characters in this case someone like david is fascinating. he was friends with trump for a long time. that friends
we also don't talk about karen mcdougal. she got hush money payments as well. trump never attacked her credibility in public. these payments were made and the crux of this case is the fact that once they were made that the false business records was the crime and those are the documents. they don't lie and the money changing hands doesn't lie and so trump can complain all he wants but he can't fight the documents and the documents speak the truth. >> what about stormi daniels? what does...
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then it takes you over to karen mcdougal. those 22 who are released from their confidentiality agreement after the election. what the defense will stay in final argument is that has nothing to do with this case, absolutely nothing. because, remember, what the defense needs in final argument is not logic. they are not trying to take you through a flawlessly logical stories, they are just trying to tug at any little doubt they can find, anywhere. and, they will lean in final argument on that agreement, in that courtroom, that that guy who told "the national enquirer" donald trump illegitimately fathered a child was not telling the truth, wasn't telling the truth, just like stormy daniels wasn't telling the truth about donald trump. donald trump gets hustled by these people all the time and we have to deal with them in different ways. donald trump has said publicly this happens to every man, every man, that includes you, chris hayes, every man who is public. every man in the public eye is constantly paying off tens of thousands,
then it takes you over to karen mcdougal. those 22 who are released from their confidentiality agreement after the election. what the defense will stay in final argument is that has nothing to do with this case, absolutely nothing. because, remember, what the defense needs in final argument is not logic. they are not trying to take you through a flawlessly logical stories, they are just trying to tug at any little doubt they can find, anywhere. and, they will lean in final argument on that...
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mcdougal and stormy daniels were standard operating procedure. the second witness, donald trump's former executive assistant, monograph, provided testimony that she entered karen mcdougal's and stormy daniels contact information to the trump organization database. third, we had gary ferro, former manager at first republic bank, which prosecutors say michael: used to obtain a $130,000 home equity loan which michael cohen later funneled to stormy daniels through a shell company. friday, he authenticated bank records which prosecutors showed to jurors. that testimony will continue in trial resumes tuesday morning. prosecutors are using his testimony to authenticate documents related to the transaction. that testimony continues when the trial resumes tuesday morning. judge merchan announced a gag order hearing will take place thursday, to hear new arguments about all of the alleged violations that donald trump has committed this week. leaving off our discussion, we were in the courtroom and will be every day of the trial. a fellow at security and the
mcdougal and stormy daniels were standard operating procedure. the second witness, donald trump's former executive assistant, monograph, provided testimony that she entered karen mcdougal's and stormy daniels contact information to the trump organization database. third, we had gary ferro, former manager at first republic bank, which prosecutors say michael: used to obtain a $130,000 home equity loan which michael cohen later funneled to stormy daniels through a shell company. friday, he...