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>> no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael cohen is my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> but no, you'll have to michael cohen. there was a million defrn different ways that politicians could avoid or dismiss things but he was still stuck to his blame michael cohen defense. ask him. it was all him. and he went rogue and quickly other lawyers had to come in and start changing the story. we don't know what out of court evidence they'll but using but they are going to take different parts of the timeline, the prosecutors, to show how the story shifted, which in essence is another way that you know was a cover-up. because he had the original thing and they covered it up and then in a sense they started covering up the cover-up. and then trump lawyer rudy giuliani basically went on live tv and changed the story and admitted or said trump did repay cohen. >> they funneled it through a law firm. funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. >> oh, i didn't know, he didn't? there is no campaign finan
>> no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael cohen is my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> but no, you'll have to michael cohen. there was a million defrn different ways that politicians could avoid or dismiss things but he was still stuck to his blame michael cohen defense. ask him. it was all him. and he went rogue and quickly other lawyers had to come in and start changing the story. we don't know what out of court...
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on october 17th, he said at this point, he sent an e-mail to cohen saying the agreement between cohen and daniels was void. that it was no longer going to be taking place. and this is where ultimately we are about to get to the point where how is this, how is this resurrected. because keith davidson was just asked by the prosecution whether he ever believed that michael cohen would be the one himself actually executing and paying these funds. the ultimate source of the funds to which davidson responded never. so this is where we will now get from keith davidson an understanding of what went into ultimately how they resurrected this deal and come october 27th whether donald trump was explicitly involved and what those conversations from his end looked like in order to ultimately pay daniels that $130,000 and silence her story from getting publicly out there before the 2016 election. >> really important context there. about what happened at the supreme court in new york state just now. donald trump's team was trying to get merchan recused, to get the case stayed, because they believe th
on october 17th, he said at this point, he sent an e-mail to cohen saying the agreement between cohen and daniels was void. that it was no longer going to be taking place. and this is where ultimately we are about to get to the point where how is this, how is this resurrected. because keith davidson was just asked by the prosecution whether he ever believed that michael cohen would be the one himself actually executing and paying these funds. the ultimate source of the funds to which davidson...
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the michaela cohen case was a federal case. when michael cohen pled guilty, the -- the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, the federal prosecutor running the office investigating cohen, prosecutingng cohen, that was a u.s. attorneyt named jeffrey berman. jeffrey berman is a lifelong republican, appointed by president trump, he worked on the trump campaign and trump transition. but after jeff berman was fired from the trump administration, after he was fired for the u.s. attorney and sdny, he wrote a book about what happened to him job, and one of the things he described in detail was about to michael cohen case. according to jeffrey bermen who was running that u.s. attorney's office, after michael cohen pled guilty and sentence tad thirty-two years in prison for this crime, president trump's appointees at the u.s. justice in f washington, the main justice, they started repeatedly reaching down into berman's office into sdny toin try to make the whole case basically go away. thisaw is from jeff berman's bo. it's called "holding the line." he says, quote, whil
the michaela cohen case was a federal case. when michael cohen pled guilty, the -- the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, the federal prosecutor running the office investigating cohen, prosecutingng cohen, that was a u.s. attorneyt named jeffrey berman. jeffrey berman is a lifelong republican, appointed by president trump, he worked on the trump campaign and trump transition. but after jeff berman was fired from the trump administration, after he was fired for the u.s....
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michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard about text messages that went back and forthwith the "national enquirer" when they went out to see karen mcdougal, one of the women who had a relationship with donald trump. they were trying to confirm if the story was true. there was an election night, a pledge that went back and for the between one of the lawyers involved that was representing karen mcdougal. we'll see a lot of that come through. and david pecker was not on the stand for very long. but just hearing the details that we got, the idea that they would, if a story, reporters were given about $10,000 to
michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard...
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the case is about michael cohen and if you don't believe michael cohen, i think the jury has to acquit. >> it will be interesting to hear and see his influence on this jury and how the prosecutor navigates this potential trap i guess you could say. everybody stay with us. richard, we'll come to you on the other side of another quick break. please stay with us. you're watching our personal coverage here on msnbc. r personl coverage here on msnbc (psst! psst!) ahhh! with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary. spray flonase sensimist daily for non-drowsy long lasting relief in a scent free, gentle mist. flonase all good. also, try our allergy headache and nighttime pills. with schwab investing themes™, it's easy to invest in ideas you believe in. spot a trend in electric vehicles? have a passion for online gaming? or want to explore the space economy? choose from over 40 themes, each with up to 25 stocks identified by our unique algorithm. buy it as-is or customize to align with your goals. all at your fingertips. schwab investing themes. 40 customizable themes. up to 25 stocks in j
the case is about michael cohen and if you don't believe michael cohen, i think the jury has to acquit. >> it will be interesting to hear and see his influence on this jury and how the prosecutor navigates this potential trap i guess you could say. everybody stay with us. richard, we'll come to you on the other side of another quick break. please stay with us. you're watching our personal coverage here on msnbc. r personl coverage here on msnbc (psst! psst!) ahhh! with flonase, allergies...
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but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please shut up. please just do your testifying in the courtroom, but the prosecutor does not control michael cohen. i'm not sure anyone controls michael cohen. so he's not doing the prosecution that he favors in a way that makes his testimony even more credible. although we know at the same time, that he now des dispiezs trump. with regard to the testimony of cohen, they want to hit it and quit it. >> paul and danny, i don't know what the rest of the trial holds when they reconvene on thursday, but the start of this has been pretty dog gone interesting. thank you both. i'm sure we'll speak again very s
but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please...
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even though he apparently never paid michael cohen this way before, coincidentally, after michael cohen on his own volition and his own reasons, decided to take out a home equity line of credit to pay a pornography star that he himself never met and never had sex with. coincidentally after michael cohen did that out of the goodness of his heart, for his own mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump, coincidentally after that happened, trump decided to start a new way of paying us on temblor that involved 35,000 other checks he signed in the oval office. it was all a coincidence and none of it had anything to do with the election. maybe. we will see. we will talk tonight about what prosecutors said about how they came up with a payment plan to cohen , personally, i unintentionally loudly snorted in court when i heard this, which was not polite and annoyed the person sitting next to me. i will apologize and explain. we will talk about the first witness whose name is david they like to test our maturity as broadcasters. he was the ceo of the company that used to run the
even though he apparently never paid michael cohen this way before, coincidentally, after michael cohen on his own volition and his own reasons, decided to take out a home equity line of credit to pay a pornography star that he himself never met and never had sex with. coincidentally after michael cohen did that out of the goodness of his heart, for his own mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump, coincidentally after that happened, trump decided to start a new way of...
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the michaelas cohen case was a federal case.ca when michael cohen pled guilty, the -- the u.s. attorney for the southern district of f new york the federal prosecutor running the office that was investigating cohen, that was prostating cohen, that was a u.s. attorney named jeffrey burr man. here is a lifelong republican. he was appointed by president trump. he worked on the trump campaign and the trump transition. but after jeff burman was fired from the trump administration, after he was fired at the u.s. attorney in sdny, he wrote a book about what happened to him in that job. and one of the things he described in detail was about the michael cohen case. according to jeffrey burman, who was running that u.s. attorneys office, after michael cohen pled guilty and was sentenced to three w years in prison for thi crime, president trump's appointees at the u.s. t department of justice in washington, the main justice, they started repeatedly reaching down into burman's office, into sdny to try to make the whole case m basically go away. this is from jeff burman's book. it's called
the michaelas cohen case was a federal case.ca when michael cohen pled guilty, the -- the u.s. attorney for the southern district of f new york the federal prosecutor running the office that was investigating cohen, that was prostating cohen, that was a u.s. attorney named jeffrey burr man. here is a lifelong republican. he was appointed by president trump. he worked on the trump campaign and the trump transition. but after jeff burman was fired from the trump administration, after he was fired...
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let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all that info regarding our friend david. i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay. >> cash? >> no, no, no. >> jill, they're going to try to impeach michael cohen, but cohen i'm sure has more of that. he's on the phone with him saying i need to do the thing i'm accused of doing. >> not only that. one, he's pled guilty. two, they have done a very skillful opening statement. and by calling david pecker as the first witness, they are building the structure that will then lead to the supporting beams and the det
let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up...
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what is michael cohen saying? >> reporter: right, michael cohen's statement is short and brief, but he was the target of several of those violations that judge merchan just found that donald trump had violated the gag order on by posting specifically about michael cohen or articles about michael cohen. michael cohen's new statement is, quote, the imposed fine is irrelevant. judge merchan's decision elucidates that this behavior will not be tolerated and no one is above the law. again, judge merchan finding donald trump violated nine of the ten alleged violations that were brought forward by the district attorney's office so far. and even suggested the potential jail time could be a potential consequence if donald trump were continue to violate the gag order placed on him. >> everyone watching at home, stay with us. everybody else, stay close, we'll keep an eye on that manhattan courthouse throughout this hour. we'll have more in just minutes, including another critical hearing set for thursday on more possible gag
what is michael cohen saying? >> reporter: right, michael cohen's statement is short and brief, but he was the target of several of those violations that judge merchan just found that donald trump had violated the gag order on by posting specifically about michael cohen or articles about michael cohen. michael cohen's new statement is, quote, the imposed fine is irrelevant. judge merchan's decision elucidates that this behavior will not be tolerated and no one is above the law. again,...
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i was being duped by cohen. cohens was using me to make these transactions that i didn't know about the purpose. he was lying to me. they can start to paint him as a bad guy. >> we're going to take a quick break as this testimony continues. we'll bring you back on the other side of a short break with a little more from gary farro and our guests here. don't go anywhere. r guestser he. don't go anywhere. [coughing] copd hasn't been pretty. it's tough to breathe and tough to keep wondering if this is as good as it gets. but trelegy has shown me that there's still beauty and breath to be had. because with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy keeps my airways open and prevents future flare-ups. and with one dose a day, trelegy improves lung function so i can breathe more freely all day and night. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase
i was being duped by cohen. cohens was using me to make these transactions that i didn't know about the purpose. he was lying to me. they can start to paint him as a bad guy. >> we're going to take a quick break as this testimony continues. we'll bring you back on the other side of a short break with a little more from gary farro and our guests here. don't go anywhere. r guestser he. don't go anywhere. [coughing] copd hasn't been pretty. it's tough to breathe and tough to keep wondering...
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so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose michael cohen, the defendant, donald trump. michael cohen is exactly the kind of guy this you hire to do this kind of scheme, and you frame a weakness and try to fit it back into your broader narrative, that's what i would expect the prosecution to do here. >> there's a point here, i'd like to ask vaughn about that. in the access hollywood tape to the jury, he said he didn't know he was on -- and he's also mentioning hope hicks, so these are some of the characters that we will be -- and incidents that we'll be hearing, even though the video is not going to be shown, but the transcript is available. >>
so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose...
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michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are already in unprecedented territory here. but that's not the most important point. the federal case, michael cohen coming clean, saying what happened. that left in its wake not just like a slimy trail of yuck don't let the kids read the news anymore. it left in its wake one legitimately baffling question. which was, wait now, who is getting in trouble for this now? who is the one person getting in trouble for this crime? just michael cohen? really? he is going to federal prison for years and he is the only one? why is he the only one? you kn
michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are...
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cohen at that time. he and mr. cohen both went to prison. what did you think of his concern about cohen as a witness? >> sure, cohen has a problems as a witness, but a question of the jury is not whether he lied in the past. it's whether you can believe him now. >> i will say and fairness and criticism applies to both lawyers. then and now. >> but he's got nothing, zero, to do with it. he has no knowledge as to any of the allegations in this complaint. he talks about the case being stale. that was a motion that was already made by donald trump and denied by judge merchan. >> i would say based on the situation, he's unlikely to be a witness but for our reporting purposes, you don't know who all the witnesses will be. >> i can tell you one, that's avenat the, i. >> did the d.a. tell you that? >> no but there's no way any reasonable district attorney would put that guy on the witness stand. >> there's a difference there when we don't know. >> well, we don't know. it could be santa claus, too. it's not going to be avenatti. >> don't make me call
cohen at that time. he and mr. cohen both went to prison. what did you think of his concern about cohen as a witness? >> sure, cohen has a problems as a witness, but a question of the jury is not whether he lied in the past. it's whether you can believe him now. >> i will say and fairness and criticism applies to both lawyers. then and now. >> but he's got nothing, zero, to do with it. he has no knowledge as to any of the allegations in this complaint. he talks about the case...
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corroborating michael cohen. you can believe michael cohen when he says that he took $130,000 line of credit and he created this llc and then he wired it to mr. davidson. why? because mr. pharaoh explained how and mr. davidson explained how. miss daniels explained how. it's very important to put all of these people to corroborate michael cohen. outline the conspiracy to promote donald trump's election by unlawful means which is what the prosecution theory is for that additional crime that would elevate the falsifying business records to a felony. he is very important. he negotiated with michael cohen. >> vaughn, going from what catherine mentioned, has there been any sightings of stormy daniels today outside of the courthouse? >> reporter: no, not at this point in time. we have received no word about stormy daniels being seen. she's been public about her documentary that was released on peacock just about a month ago here ahead of this trial. outside of that, she has had social media posts, but we have not seen h
corroborating michael cohen. you can believe michael cohen when he says that he took $130,000 line of credit and he created this llc and then he wired it to mr. davidson. why? because mr. pharaoh explained how and mr. davidson explained how. miss daniels explained how. it's very important to put all of these people to corroborate michael cohen. outline the conspiracy to promote donald trump's election by unlawful means which is what the prosecution theory is for that additional crime that would...
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this is going to take it from the ami deal to direct negotiations with michael cohen, where michael cohen made the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels under a code name that they used, stormy daniels and keith davidson. and that eventually they're going to ultimately try to get that donald trump paid michael cohen back and knew what he was doing. donald trump is walking out right now. the court is in a short recess. eric trump is there for the first time. we have been talking about how the family wasn't there. i have ten seconds left, but tell me what does it mean to have eric there? >> i think it is important for the people who are really paying attention. he did not have any of his family members there before and so the fact that now someone has finally showed up on his behalf is probably a good thing, but the question is are you going to stay and are you going to continue to be there? >> you say finally, only been a week. thank you very much. chuck rosenberg, catherine christian, love the polka dots today, my friend. court is in recess. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell
this is going to take it from the ami deal to direct negotiations with michael cohen, where michael cohen made the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels under a code name that they used, stormy daniels and keith davidson. and that eventually they're going to ultimately try to get that donald trump paid michael cohen back and knew what he was doing. donald trump is walking out right now. the court is in a short recess. eric trump is there for the first time. we have been talking about how the...
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michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved notifying mr. cohen about negativetories about women, what was the objective of that. david pecker, as i did in the past, when i notified michael cohen of a negative story, he would try to vet it himself to see if it is true or not and then go to the individual publication to make sure it wasn't getting published an getting killed. brag team, prior to that meeting have you ever purchased atory to the to print it? pecker, no. brag team. and how did that part of it, not publishing the stories help you? pecker, it didn't. crazy. >> fake f
michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved...
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>> you'll have to ask michael cohen. michael is my attorney and you'll have to ask michael. >> no, the claim there is a bald faced lie and there aren't a lot of ways to spin it because it's so clear. no, he says he didn't know about something that we have him on tape strategizing about. no, he says about something we have him on record paper signing about and he does tend to keep track of the money that gets pulled out of him. as i mentioned earlier in the report, it was a long time coming to even get those bills paid. now this wasn't going to hold up. you had cohen out there, you had investigators out there and a lot of paper records, financial records out there, so other lawyers who were involved for donald trump who have also themselves gone on to be indicted were then figuring out the strategy. so while it might look sloppy, we know a lot more now than we did then. what we know now is that lawyers around trump figured this is going to come out so we've got to start getting it out. someone who then was relatively new
>> you'll have to ask michael cohen. michael is my attorney and you'll have to ask michael. >> no, the claim there is a bald faced lie and there aren't a lot of ways to spin it because it's so clear. no, he says he didn't know about something that we have him on tape strategizing about. no, he says about something we have him on record paper signing about and he does tend to keep track of the money that gets pulled out of him. as i mentioned earlier in the report, it was a long time...
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i told cohen, michael cohen, this never would have happened without you and the text back from howard of the national enquirer to davidson was he's hopeless. oh, well. another one done. from inside the hush money trial, our reporter also says that former president trump was whispering back and forth with his lead lawyer, todd blanche today, urging him to make stronger arguments about the evidence that can and can't be admitted. that comes after just this morning "the new york times" reported that trump has been complaining that blanche quote has not been following his instructions closely and has been insufficiently aggressive. mr. trump wants him to attack witnesses. attack what the former president sees as a hostile jury pool and attack the judge. keep in mind blanche is someone trump is known to like but now faces a familiar problem. how do you handle a client like donald trump? kimberly, carol, and jeremy are back with me. jeremy, we saw some examples in opening statement, actually, of blanche appearing to nod to trump's desires. he mentioned trump had built this large, successful
i told cohen, michael cohen, this never would have happened without you and the text back from howard of the national enquirer to davidson was he's hopeless. oh, well. another one done. from inside the hush money trial, our reporter also says that former president trump was whispering back and forth with his lead lawyer, todd blanche today, urging him to make stronger arguments about the evidence that can and can't be admitted. that comes after just this morning "the new york times"...
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we were thinking, michael cohen is the star witness and how will they corroborate michael cohen. and i really think the way to think about this case is this case is made very much without michael cohen. i mean, this is so corroborated and it is not just that you have david pecker and now keith davidson, they're stories are just hand and glove. i mean, they fit together so perfectly. and they tell a complex story. i mean, something that if you were making it up, it wouldn't be -- it would be kind of intricacy and also it is completely corroborated particularly with respect to mr. davidson by so many texts and email exchanges an the written documents. this is one where with almost every question there is a reference to a document so that the jurors could see there is no question about what he is saying. it is completely backed up. so by the time you get to michael cohen, i think the way that i think this is going to be summed up on by the prosecution, is to say, you know what, if michael cohen had said anything else, you would have thought he was lying. it is so completely consiste
we were thinking, michael cohen is the star witness and how will they corroborate michael cohen. and i really think the way to think about this case is this case is made very much without michael cohen. i mean, this is so corroborated and it is not just that you have david pecker and now keith davidson, they're stories are just hand and glove. i mean, they fit together so perfectly. and they tell a complex story. i mean, something that if you were making it up, it wouldn't be -- it would be...
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cohen. i think we'll have plenty to talk about. our top story, though, right now is this fire storm over the draconian crack down over women's rights in arizona. conservatives enacting the agenda that the supreme court had claimed would not happen when they overturned roe, criminalizing abortion, okaying a law that jails people with a doctor or someone helping a woman. we're living now through this rolling national controversy. it's important, and it impacts everything from that electoral backlash that could make trump a lot more likely to lose to joe biden in november to human rights, health, and safety. >> breaking news out of arizona where the state supreme court just made a monumental abortion decision. >> arizonians across the state are reeling. >> this is absolutely horrendous what's happening. >> the question is do we need to hit rock bottom to realize what's happening here. >> it's insane. it's egregious. it's an affront to our freedom. >> i just find it appalling. it just makes you
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it wasn't michael cohen. who had sex with stormy daniels, it wasn't michael cohen. who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution has put in a few things about he's a challenging kind of client for that bank guy. pecker thinks he exaggerates. so the jury, i'm sure, is very curious to see this guy. and i think the da's main task, they have laid the tracks well, but they know that cohen is coming. their main task is between hicks, between pecker, and then the paperwork is to corroborate every single hole so at the end of the day, they can get up and say, look, michael cohen, first of all, you can believe him for these reasons, but even if yo
it wasn't michael cohen. who had sex with stormy daniels, it wasn't michael cohen. who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name...
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how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they were different stories. >> well, if you're talking about how this relates back to the election, what we know, and what we knew at the time was that this happened in the context of a very close race with a month or so to go until election day and polls starting to show the race moving away from trump after the first debate with hillary clinton, and so you can really see in the way the campaign reacted to it that, you know, this was something that they were concerned about. people very close to trump thought the race was over. thought he was going to have to drop out. or sort of politely u
how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they...
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why would it include cohen? the trump team would argue he's going on television, saying whatever he wants. >> it's all witnesses. cohen is shameless. he's not going to be intimidated. he wants to testify. but there may be other witnesses who say oh, no, look what he's doing to cohen. i'm up next, he's going to go it to me. it's about witnesses and cohen just happens to be one. >> it's too hard to make a carve out. thank you very much. i know you're sticking around in case we have anything. lisa rubin, thank you as well. >>> what can a lawyer realistly advise a client like trump and what do they do when he lashes out perhaps in front of a jury? plus, what is happening on college campuses across the country as pro palestinian protestors try to essentially shutdown the schools. to essent shutdown the schools nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migra
why would it include cohen? the trump team would argue he's going on television, saying whatever he wants. >> it's all witnesses. cohen is shameless. he's not going to be intimidated. he wants to testify. but there may be other witnesses who say oh, no, look what he's doing to cohen. i'm up next, he's going to go it to me. it's about witnesses and cohen just happens to be one. >> it's too hard to make a carve out. thank you very much. i know you're sticking around in case we have...
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michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on both sides of this, but in the context of the trial, what will the jury find as most believable, beyond a reasonable doubt? >> you can certainly almost always make an argument on both sides of any question. the question is can you make a credible argument on both sides? you're playing one audiotape. and it is important. but it is not going to be by itself determinative, chris. it will be important to corroborate what cohen says, it will be important to corroborate what pecker says, and it may corroborate what other pe
michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on...
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making the deal with michael cohen, something he says happened in august 2015 with cohen and then campaign communications director hope hicks in the room, was a win-win. the enquirer would publish negative stories about trump's opponents which they did repeatedly, particularly when ben carson, ted cruz, and marco rubio started rising in the polls in the spring of 2016. at the same time, running positive stories featuring donald trump as the ideal next president of the united states, which they also did throughout that year. pecker was personally invited by cohen to trump's presidential announcement in trump tower. and he hoped to financially benefit from how many magazines the pro-trump and anti-trump competitor issues would sell. a total win-win. he also testified that once trump announced his presidential bid, that he was in constant communication with michael cohen, as pecker and a small group of ami editors kept their eyes and ears pealed for stories that could be damaging to trump so they could catch them and kill them before they were published anywhere else. at least before the elec
making the deal with michael cohen, something he says happened in august 2015 with cohen and then campaign communications director hope hicks in the room, was a win-win. the enquirer would publish negative stories about trump's opponents which they did repeatedly, particularly when ben carson, ted cruz, and marco rubio started rising in the polls in the spring of 2016. at the same time, running positive stories featuring donald trump as the ideal next president of the united states, which they...
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cohen about his guilty plea, and at one point, steinglass says this explains why michael cohen changed his tune with his guilty plea and the defendant's attacks began the day after his guilty plea, and that is critical, and i will point out that michael cohen is very much like a co-defendant testifying against his co-defendant. so again, we are now, what is it, two hours into this day one of this history in the making ex-president on trial in criminal court. they're supposed to be going over jury selection, and they are still going over what is admissible, what is not, and potential testimony from some very key witnesses, guys. >> yasmin, do we know anything about trump's misdemeanor inside the courtroom? >> reporter: i mean, we are getting some color from inside the courtroom, and i just want to kind of paint a picture for you because there are only, i believe, six pool reporters that are allowed inside the courtroom along with obviously secret service, the defense team, the prosecution team as well, and then there's the overflow team, right? that is where some of our attorneys like l
cohen about his guilty plea, and at one point, steinglass says this explains why michael cohen changed his tune with his guilty plea and the defendant's attacks began the day after his guilty plea, and that is critical, and i will point out that michael cohen is very much like a co-defendant testifying against his co-defendant. so again, we are now, what is it, two hours into this day one of this history in the making ex-president on trial in criminal court. they're supposed to be going over...
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that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i don't know what it matters. i don't get why michael cohen, why his credibility would matter since all of the facts of the money movement he is involved with our established before he opens his mouth. >> so, that is exactly what the state is going to argue in summation. you are going to hear the defense say if that is true, why did they call him? he has a ton of baggage. they are saying they really need him. he can provide evidence about he says donald trump knew that the scheme was to have these false business records. remember everythin
that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i...
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he is completely likable as a witness and also michael cohen. he is not punching back in the same way. he has so many deliverables for this prosecution. >> susanne, on that note about him not being michael cohen, david pecker is someone who talked about idolizing and respecting donald trump to this day. he was someone when they were sitting around, it wasn't just these cases and what we are talking about, he was also writing stories and putting them in the national enquirer about trump's rivals. he seems to be a much better witness than michael cohen who has already been and gone to jail for lying. talk a little bit about that. >> i think it is important that people know that david pecker is a principle here. he was talking to donald trump and another principle . michael cohen is a lawyer that was going out and executing what donald trump wanted. donna trump's lawyers i think will make michael cohen out to be a rope actor but what you saw with david pecker was a principle ahead of the national enquirer talking to his friend donald trump about pl
he is completely likable as a witness and also michael cohen. he is not punching back in the same way. he has so many deliverables for this prosecution. >> susanne, on that note about him not being michael cohen, david pecker is someone who talked about idolizing and respecting donald trump to this day. he was someone when they were sitting around, it wasn't just these cases and what we are talking about, he was also writing stories and putting them in the national enquirer about trump's...
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that is david pecker and michael cohen. that establishes the agreement as long as the jury believes the witnesses, right? then once you have the agreement? what's it for? it's to conceal the fact and these are the words that are going to come from the judge, that come from the judge. to conceal the agreement to unlawfully influence the 2016 election. so that goes back to your . point as why would michael cohen do that? how does he benefit from that? he does not benefit from this agreement. donald trump is the one who benefitted and the witnesses we believe will be lined up are the ones like hope hicks who was on the campaign and we know from the search warrant from the southern district of new york that the precise times of calls calls that we know that the district attorney is looking at to establish hope hicks as a campaign operative actively and consistently in communication with michael cohen including a call that donald trump was on. right? all of this evidence to your point unless there is some way that the defense ca
that is david pecker and michael cohen. that establishes the agreement as long as the jury believes the witnesses, right? then once you have the agreement? what's it for? it's to conceal the fact and these are the words that are going to come from the judge, that come from the judge. to conceal the agreement to unlawfully influence the 2016 election. so that goes back to your . point as why would michael cohen do that? how does he benefit from that? he does not benefit from this agreement....
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then why did michael cohen make this if -- >> you'll have to ask michael cohen. michael's my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael. >> what trump knew about that reimbursement system and when he knew it will also be central to the case, a which is what makes these less recognizable names also veryec interesting. jeffrey mcconney and madeleine. mcconney was the former controlleras for the trump administration. he would have had t access and maybe needed to approve the payments to michael cohen, which were all classified as payments for legal services. trump's oval office secretary during the period when cohen was being reimbursed by trump. because trump was doing all this reimbursing when he was in the white house as president, she a front row seat. and that's not even the whole potential witness list. joining me now to discuss our msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin and kush kadori. lisa, i was interested in this potential witness list, and i'm sure you were interested and more informed in following this case and deep legal expertise. who among those names st
then why did michael cohen make this if -- >> you'll have to ask michael cohen. michael's my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael. >> what trump knew about that reimbursement system and when he knew it will also be central to the case, a which is what makes these less recognizable names also veryec interesting. jeffrey mcconney and madeleine. mcconney was the former controlleras for the trump administration. he would have had t access and maybe needed to approve the payments to...
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he didn't respond directly to cohen. he did it publicly on a public forum and it has the potential to threaten the integrity of the criminal proceeding. >> back to vaughn for a moment. i understand there has been some interaction between the attorney for donald trump and the judge? what's happening? >> reporter: judge merchan dissatisfied with the answer that todd blanche is giving him when it comes to the specifics about what donald trump's intentions were. we're now under the third social media post, a direct mention of stormy daniels in an article related to her. and in which todd blanche is defending his client, donald trump, by saying that stormy daniels is broadcasting on twitter, talking to the press, having documentaries and that donald trump should be able to respond to the words that she is saying. and how critical she is of him to which judge merchan fired up in response and says, quote, i am asking a question. i keep asking you over and over to give me an example and i'm not getting an answer, saying that it
he didn't respond directly to cohen. he did it publicly on a public forum and it has the potential to threaten the integrity of the criminal proceeding. >> back to vaughn for a moment. i understand there has been some interaction between the attorney for donald trump and the judge? what's happening? >> reporter: judge merchan dissatisfied with the answer that todd blanche is giving him when it comes to the specifics about what donald trump's intentions were. we're now under the...
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why did michael cohen make it? >> maybe you will have to ask michael. >> no, the claim there, is a boldfaced lie and there aren't a lot of ways to spin it because it is so clear. he says he didn't know about something that we have him on tape strategizing about, no he says about something that we have on record and paper signing about. he does tend to keep track of the money that gets pulled out of him and as i mentioned earlier in the report that's a long time coming to even get those bills paid. this was not going to hold up. you had cohen, investigators, lots of paper and financial records out there so other lawyers were involved for donald trump who also themselves went on to be indicted and were then figuring out the strategy. while it might look sloppy we know a lot more now than we did then. what we know now is that lawyers around trump figured this is going to come out so we have to start getting it out. someone who is then relatively new to the team, rudy giuliani, discussed it on fox. take a look. >> they
why did michael cohen make it? >> maybe you will have to ask michael. >> no, the claim there, is a boldfaced lie and there aren't a lot of ways to spin it because it is so clear. he says he didn't know about something that we have him on tape strategizing about, no he says about something that we have on record and paper signing about. he does tend to keep track of the money that gets pulled out of him and as i mentioned earlier in the report that's a long time coming to even get...
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which cohen paid daniels. his testimony will continue when court reconvenes on tuesday. joining me now is lisa reuben, msnbc legal correspondent and tristan snell, former assistant attorney general for new york and author of "taking down trump, 12 rules for prosecuting donald trump by someone who did it successfully." lisa, i'm going to go to you first. hopefully i characterized the day properly now. tell me what stood out to you? >> one moment that stood out most is one you just covered. joshua steinglass was literally right up to the lunch break when he got to that line of questions about "national enquirer" gold. bove was trying to establish through his cross-examination that many facets of the arrangement between trump, cohen, and pecker, the thing prosecutors have characterized as a conspiracy were standard operating procedure. he used those three words so many times it was like his mantra. but steinglass poked holes in that by showing that the payment to karen mcdougal and the purpose to which it was put
which cohen paid daniels. his testimony will continue when court reconvenes on tuesday. joining me now is lisa reuben, msnbc legal correspondent and tristan snell, former assistant attorney general for new york and author of "taking down trump, 12 rules for prosecuting donald trump by someone who did it successfully." lisa, i'm going to go to you first. hopefully i characterized the day properly now. tell me what stood out to you? >> one moment that stood out most is one you...
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dylan howard over how they contacted cohen shortly before 2016 election and how cohen reached out with the 130k. that is now evidence in this looming trial of defendant trump. the d.a. is making a couple of bets. one that he has the goods. they say if you shoot at the king you better not miss. remember, d.a. bragg was the first prosecutor to ever show up and actually indict donald trump for anything. others came after him and going first is the toughest. he doesn't want to lose. he is betting that this rather salacious and interesting subject matter and the trail of headlines will help him keep the jury's attention. here was one of them all of the way back in the day courtesy of that same magazine i mentioned to you "in touch." quote, my affair with donald was one of the stories that came out courtesy of daniels. there were secret efforts we later learned to kill headlines like that. the d.a. will show the headlines. he will show the secret tape i played you and all of this messy drama. so jurors pay attention and they're riveted that it's interesting and you want to people attention o
dylan howard over how they contacted cohen shortly before 2016 election and how cohen reached out with the 130k. that is now evidence in this looming trial of defendant trump. the d.a. is making a couple of bets. one that he has the goods. they say if you shoot at the king you better not miss. remember, d.a. bragg was the first prosecutor to ever show up and actually indict donald trump for anything. others came after him and going first is the toughest. he doesn't want to lose. he is betting...
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because we heard what cohen has to say. the negotiations with the inquirer which had what became an obviously clear agenda of burying these stories and the jury saw this compelling evidence i mentioned between davidson and top national inquirer editor. this is a repeat into a process that even at the high levels of campaigns you don't always see because it is secretive. a lawyer tipping up the inquirer about the former playmate as a blockbuster trump story. the tabloid editor responds i will get you more money than anyone. you know why. now if it was years ago and you got your hands on that sort of text message, you might not know why. they apparently did. now the rest of us do, the national inquirer had this unusual deal of catching and killing stories. they did it for more people than just trump, but those other people are not on trial in this new york courtroom. now when asked what that meant, the lawyer response he knew the national inquirer's publisher and trump were friends and had a business relationship. we are goin
because we heard what cohen has to say. the negotiations with the inquirer which had what became an obviously clear agenda of burying these stories and the jury saw this compelling evidence i mentioned between davidson and top national inquirer editor. this is a repeat into a process that even at the high levels of campaigns you don't always see because it is secretive. a lawyer tipping up the inquirer about the former playmate as a blockbuster trump story. the tabloid editor responds i will...
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cohen to bring a copy of a bank statement showing the $130,000 payment that cohen had made to keep stormy daniels quiet before the election. weisselberg and cohen agreed to a total repayment amount of $420,000. here's how they got to that number. this is good. they started with $130,000 that trump owed cohen for the store hawaii daniels payoff. then they added $50,000 for a separate reimbursement cohen was claiming which had to do with tech services he paid for during the campaign. that adds up to $180,000. then they agreed to double that amount to $360,000 to account for taxes. now, of course, if trump was just reimbursing cohen, there was no need to gross it up for taxes. they doubled it because their plan was to call it income instead of a reimbursement. if cohen was getting money they were calling income, he would have to pay taxes on it. cohen was close to a 50% tax bracket, so to make him whole, they had to double the amount to $360,000. then he had added another $60,000 as a year end bonus and all of that. cos out to a total of $420,000. and alan weisselberg wrote all of that down.
cohen to bring a copy of a bank statement showing the $130,000 payment that cohen had made to keep stormy daniels quiet before the election. weisselberg and cohen agreed to a total repayment amount of $420,000. here's how they got to that number. this is good. they started with $130,000 that trump owed cohen for the store hawaii daniels payoff. then they added $50,000 for a separate reimbursement cohen was claiming which had to do with tech services he paid for during the campaign. that adds up...
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what he's going to try to do is what i said, how much was it him and cohen and cohen directing him as opposed to my innocent client, donald trump. that's his only way of doing that. even that tape which people say is the bombshell, unless we've only heard an excerpt of it, cohen is saying when trump says cash, he says no, no, no, i got it. so that's the defense perspective. so that's their only chance because they can go and, you know, when you've lied because your whole career is just putting lies, so liar, liar, liar, but it speaks for itself, if you can corroborate what pecker is saying, cohen is saying, and all the other documents. >> you also have any number of people who have been in the courtroom who have described him as credible that people seem to be paying very close attention. >> he's his authentic self. >> it's a very difficult cross and just to build on what catherine said because i think you have to do that, you have to keep sort of putting michael cohen as central as possible, but the other is to do what's called a safe cross, which is just to is to do a safe cross, wh
what he's going to try to do is what i said, how much was it him and cohen and cohen directing him as opposed to my innocent client, donald trump. that's his only way of doing that. even that tape which people say is the bombshell, unless we've only heard an excerpt of it, cohen is saying when trump says cash, he says no, no, no, i got it. so that's the defense perspective. so that's their only chance because they can go and, you know, when you've lied because your whole career is just putting...
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farro was a banker that worked with cohen. earlier this morning the judge found trump in contempt of court fining him $9,000 for nine violations of the partial gag order imposed on him, and threatened to put trump in jail if he continued to violate that order. with us to talk about this, nbc news correspondent, vaughn hillyard, and maya wiley, and david marcus, a criminal defense attorney and a professor at the university of miami school of law. vaughn, get us up to speed as to what comes next. there's a pause, right? >> reporter: right, they are currently in the morning recess. gary farro, who was the former first republic banker that worked with michael cohen to set up the account for the llc that was operating as the pass through for michael cohen to get the home equity line of credit to the attorney for stormy daniels, and that took place just before the 2016 election, and that banker that worked with michael cohen is off the stand. they are now in morning recess. it's not clear who the next witness is that the prosecution
farro was a banker that worked with cohen. earlier this morning the judge found trump in contempt of court fining him $9,000 for nine violations of the partial gag order imposed on him, and threatened to put trump in jail if he continued to violate that order. with us to talk about this, nbc news correspondent, vaughn hillyard, and maya wiley, and david marcus, a criminal defense attorney and a professor at the university of miami school of law. vaughn, get us up to speed as to what comes next....
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michael cohen and stormy daniels both have been very public about how cohen paid stormy daniels for her silence. none of that is in dispute, but what trump has disputed since the story first became public in 2018 was whether trump knew about it, whether trump knew at the time that his payments to michael cohen were, in fact, a reimbursement to michael cohen for fronting the hush money to stormy daniels. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> michael's my attorney and you'll have to ask michael. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> no, i don't know. >> what trump knew about that reimbursement system and when he knew it will also be central to the case, which is what makes these less recognizable names also very interesting, jeffrey mcconnie. he would have had access and maybe needed to approve the payments to michael cohen which were all classified as payments for legal services. westerhaut was the oval office secretary and because trump was doing all this reimbursing while he was in the white house as the president, she would have had
michael cohen and stormy daniels both have been very public about how cohen paid stormy daniels for her silence. none of that is in dispute, but what trump has disputed since the story first became public in 2018 was whether trump knew about it, whether trump knew at the time that his payments to michael cohen were, in fact, a reimbursement to michael cohen for fronting the hush money to stormy daniels. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> michael's my...
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that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be attacked and he will be on cross-examination as a convicted felon who really has a passing acquaintance with the truth, other witnesses and other documents will show the jury they can trust the overall story. >> chuck rosenberg, andrew weissmann, vaughn hillyard, thanks so much. we'll be checking back with you later in the program. >>> and as donald trump is in that new york city courtroom with david pecker, of course, on the stand, a central figure in the hush money case, president biden is traveling to florida this hour to
that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be...
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michael cohen is a -- and you know i've never been a fan of michael for various reasons. you know, he's a serial liar. he's shown himself to be incapable of telling the truth. >> okay, avenatti is behind bars. he obviously has some credibility issues, but glenn, is this a case of it takes one to know one? >> yeah, you know, anytime i prosecuted a conspiracy, a criminal agreement involving multiple people, ana, everybody in that conspiracy was a criminal, many of them were liars. so what i had to try to do was bring the lower level conspirators on board, flip them, clean them up so to speak, meaning i would look for every shred of evidence that corroborated what they were now telling us, the investigators and the prosecutors about what they did and about what their co-conspirators did. and in one sense, yes, michael cohen can be viewed as damaged goods, but in another sensuous -- sense, he's going to be corroborated. why is he damaged? he is damaged in large part because he was telling lies to help donald trump stay out of hot water. that is actually the kind of weakness o
michael cohen is a -- and you know i've never been a fan of michael for various reasons. you know, he's a serial liar. he's shown himself to be incapable of telling the truth. >> okay, avenatti is behind bars. he obviously has some credibility issues, but glenn, is this a case of it takes one to know one? >> yeah, you know, anytime i prosecuted a conspiracy, a criminal agreement involving multiple people, ana, everybody in that conspiracy was a criminal, many of them were liars. so...
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michael cohen, suzanne. what's your sense of the trump team's mind-set and how concerned trump might be about some of these people taking the stand? >> i have to say when i looked at that lineup, i think they're all going to be a strong supporting cast. i think michael cohen is kind of considered the main narrator, he's in the middle of all of it. you look, hope hicks is one that's definitely going to be powerful. david pecker was running the national inquirer and had an arrangement with donald trump. they were friends, and he had offered to be sort of the eyes and ears of the campaign. and how that works when you're sitting at the national inquirer is a lot of stories come into the national inquirer where somebody like stormy daniels wants a payment for their story. normally the national inquirer will buy it and run it. a lot of people know this term now, a catch and kill. he was in the middle of some of those payments, either in the case of one of them that made the payment and other ones was going back an
michael cohen, suzanne. what's your sense of the trump team's mind-set and how concerned trump might be about some of these people taking the stand? >> i have to say when i looked at that lineup, i think they're all going to be a strong supporting cast. i think michael cohen is kind of considered the main narrator, he's in the middle of all of it. you look, hope hicks is one that's definitely going to be powerful. david pecker was running the national inquirer and had an arrangement with...
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michael cohen didn't go to jail. how imperative is it to make it simple. >> always important to try to make the story as -- >> the defense has a very different job. this feels like a reasonable doubt defense. there isn't evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the president knew about these checks. they'll chip away at the credibility of the witnesses, cohen, first and foremost, daniels herself. so lisa is right, the facts of the checks being written and the reports, that that will go in uncontested. the key facts that will be in dispute is the person and knowledge. then the ultimate trump card, so to speak -- not to use a bad pun -- is nullification. the wildcare is a juror who says, i can following the instructions, i'm going to listen to the evidence, i'm going to make my decision based on the facts presented in court, that's what gets the juror qualified, but thinking ennor that and says i don't care if the facts meet the law, i'm not going to vote for convict, because and i have problem with the whole things. th
michael cohen didn't go to jail. how imperative is it to make it simple. >> always important to try to make the story as -- >> the defense has a very different job. this feels like a reasonable doubt defense. there isn't evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the president knew about these checks. they'll chip away at the credibility of the witnesses, cohen, first and foremost, daniels herself. so lisa is right, the facts of the checks being written and the reports, that that will...
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trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her story and her silence but, here's the asterisk, which is great, trump was supposed to repay p ecker, he wasn't just doing this as charity. he was the pass-through, if you will. but trump did what he always does, he stiffed him on the bill $150,000, which is why michael cohen was the one forced to pay stormy daniels out of his own pocket. that, of course, is why trump was ultimately in court today. msnbc legal correspondent wasn't watching from inside the courtroom, andrew rice also in the courtroom today, he is a writer near magazine where he just profil
trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her...
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and has trump said -- we know he goes bad on michael cohen yesterday. what has he said about david they've been friends and allies for decades. >> it was interesting because at trial you start with their most important witness and end with your strongest typically. this gave us a witness of where this is going and it was telling from the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to link this directly to the election. the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump ended this catch and kill for the campaign. it was to attack political opponents. it was for david -- and this is clearly where it's going. david was asked how we operated and orchestrated the catch and kill schemes. over $10,000 that editors had to ask him if they could spend that kind of money on sources and try to get stories. he will narrate the entirety of the relationship between trump and him and the national enquirer and that's why it makes them important. >> the prosecution is hoping he will be that narrator, neal? >> absolutely. i think the aim of the prosecution and
and has trump said -- we know he goes bad on michael cohen yesterday. what has he said about david they've been friends and allies for decades. >> it was interesting because at trial you start with their most important witness and end with your strongest typically. this gave us a witness of where this is going and it was telling from the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to link this directly to the election. the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump ended...
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he was the one who directed cohen to do exactly what cohen did and david pecker. so that could be turned on its head against him. >> and to that point, he's been trying to push this narrative of late in the public space. i just paid my attorney for attorney's fees. i didn't get involved in that. but what she just said is critically important because number one, in terms of what sworn testimony that the jury's going to be able to consider, absent his testimony and absent him getting on the stand himself, they're going to have a hard time putting that in front of the jury. that even that theory. that's something donald trump wants the public to believe, but i don't necessarily know they're ever going to hear about it in the jury box unless he testifies. through his questions of other witnesses that's something that's possible, but here's the key. there are prosecutors who were on bragg's team who worked and prosecuted the case against the trump organization and are extremely familiar with how these things work and so they have the goods to counteract that narrative.
he was the one who directed cohen to do exactly what cohen did and david pecker. so that could be turned on its head against him. >> and to that point, he's been trying to push this narrative of late in the public space. i just paid my attorney for attorney's fees. i didn't get involved in that. but what she just said is critically important because number one, in terms of what sworn testimony that the jury's going to be able to consider, absent his testimony and absent him getting on the...
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she is a loyalist and here she is, taking the stand to cooperate michael cohen? that would be must-see tv if only they had cameras in the courtroom. >> you put that vision in my mind. i do not want to picture that. last words, perry. who are you most interested in seeing and why? >> michael cohen, just because -- he is at the center of this, but we also know what will be interesting is this is -- you will see fireworks from president donald 's team as they cross-examine michael cohen and try to really take away his credibility in the eyes of the jury. from both sides on that one, it will be an interesting one and important one to watch >> a great chat. i would love to see you here again soon. thank you. >>> their lives changed in an instant. the damage left behind for more than 100 tornadoes that touched down this weekend. we are back in 60 seconds. seco. >>> more breaking news. college student standing call is that -- solidarity vowing to give up their protest on campus is across the country. this as jewish leaders and some lawmakers demand president joe biden t
she is a loyalist and here she is, taking the stand to cooperate michael cohen? that would be must-see tv if only they had cameras in the courtroom. >> you put that vision in my mind. i do not want to picture that. last words, perry. who are you most interested in seeing and why? >> michael cohen, just because -- he is at the center of this, but we also know what will be interesting is this is -- you will see fireworks from president donald 's team as they cross-examine michael...