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bove is focused on pecker's non-prosecution deal. he wants the jury to think that pecker is basically marching to alvin bragg's orders because pecker doesn't want to go to jail himself. so that's also why he told the jury that trump thanked -- that trump had thanked mr. pecker a few days before the inauguration even though mr. pecker earlier told the fbi that trump had not thanked him. so chris, for an effective cross examination, mr. bove doesn't need a perry mason moment where pecker breaks down on the stand. all he has to do is kind of chip away at mr. pecker's testimony, and i think he's done a decent job of that. >> yeah, there are points at which, again, reporting from inside, they talk about the way bove was approaching this, the description of david pecker is that he's a smaller man, fairly slight, that he has a kind of a soft demeanor, which belies, right, the jobs that he actually did, but that's the way he's coming across on the stand, and at one point, bove got pretty pointed and raised his voice a little bit. are you ver
bove is focused on pecker's non-prosecution deal. he wants the jury to think that pecker is basically marching to alvin bragg's orders because pecker doesn't want to go to jail himself. so that's also why he told the jury that trump thanked -- that trump had thanked mr. pecker a few days before the inauguration even though mr. pecker earlier told the fbi that trump had not thanked him. so chris, for an effective cross examination, mr. bove doesn't need a perry mason moment where pecker breaks...
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bove you paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill those stories. pecker, yes. what was the average of those payments? pecker, the largest was $20,000, the others were up to $2,000. just the doorman got $30,000. it's different degrees. >> totally different degrees. you're looking at this giant six-figure payments to macdougal and to daniels. it's a totally different ball game. >> also, he didn't admit to campaign finance violations although he might have committed state crimes in the arnold schwarzenegger case. >> the reason that david pecker said he was even sensitive to the campaign finance angle of paying mcdougal in the first place, which is what caused him to lord it up with services, he was sensitive about that because as a function of what he had done for arnold schwarzenegger, he had caught the attention of regulators and investigators, and he narrowly escaped. he knew that was a problem. he tried to structure the karen mcdougal payout agreement in a way that would evade campaign finance problems. the only issue is as josh steinglass expertly elicited fr
bove you paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill those stories. pecker, yes. what was the average of those payments? pecker, the largest was $20,000, the others were up to $2,000. just the doorman got $30,000. it's different degrees. >> totally different degrees. you're looking at this giant six-figure payments to macdougal and to daniels. it's a totally different ball game. >> also, he didn't admit to campaign finance violations although he might have committed state crimes...
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and bove says that's right again. again, as you were pointing out, it seems very clear here that they're trying to make michael cohen out to be someone who's not as desirable as a business partner as it seems michael cohen would attempt to paint himself in terms of his relationship with donald trump. and, again, that may go to poking holes in the upcoming testimony that's expected to come when michael cohen is called to the witness stand. >> ana. >> rehema ellis, thank you for the update. please keep us posted. jessica, it sure seems like the defense is determined to damage whatever cohen could potentially say and to try to damage the credibility of cohen. he's somebody whose credibility is already very damaged, right? so what does that tell you about how worried they are perhaps about what cohen is going to testify about? >> well, this is what we would expect, which is the prosecution is trying to corroborate michael cohen and shore up his credibility in advance through the testimony of david pecker, and now the defe
and bove says that's right again. again, as you were pointing out, it seems very clear here that they're trying to make michael cohen out to be someone who's not as desirable as a business partner as it seems michael cohen would attempt to paint himself in terms of his relationship with donald trump. and, again, that may go to poking holes in the upcoming testimony that's expected to come when michael cohen is called to the witness stand. >> ana. >> rehema ellis, thank you for the...
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bove, that's almost 17 years prior to the 2015 meeting. pecker, yes. bove, 17 years of giving president trump a heads up to stories long before 2015 because that was good for business. pecker, yes. bove, president trump was giving you content to run in the national enquirer, correct? pecker, yes. and bove, also tried to put a little distance between trump's lawyer and fixer, michael cohen, and the trump campaign. again, whether or not this was all done to benefit the campaign is at least one of the cruxes of the matter here. again, this from an nbc reporter's courtroom notes today. bove, cohen was mr. trump's personal lawyer and that was his only job? pecker, correct. bove, between 2015 and 2016 cohen was always clear he wasn't working for his campaign, he was his personal attorney. pecker, yes. that's in addition to trump's defense attorney trying to make it seem to the jury that pecker has a faulty memory, implying he had his facts fed to him by prosecutors suggesting he might have lied under oath at one point when he didn't mention multiple times ho
bove, that's almost 17 years prior to the 2015 meeting. pecker, yes. bove, 17 years of giving president trump a heads up to stories long before 2015 because that was good for business. pecker, yes. bove, president trump was giving you content to run in the national enquirer, correct? pecker, yes. and bove, also tried to put a little distance between trump's lawyer and fixer, michael cohen, and the trump campaign. again, whether or not this was all done to benefit the campaign is at least one of...
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surprising to see emil bove get up and do some of the cross examination. i don't think it was surprising to see susan necheles get up either. the one thing i did take away from this week was how todd's presence and the mud that todd went before the judge and at the lectern was reduced as the week went on. i wonder if that is, well, so, if you think about the timing, it was after heated opening statements. there were objections sustained during his opening statement, that wasn't a great look in front of trump. when he was trying to defend the indefensible because trump quite clearly appears to have violated the gag order, when he got bench slapped by judge juan merchan in the contempt hearing. since then, todd blanche has taken a backseat. i wonder if part of that is because he wants to reduce the visibility that he has in front of the judge and continually losing things in front of the judge in front of trump because trump and todd have this close relationship. if you see them in the southern district of florida, in the documents case, they are always laug
surprising to see emil bove get up and do some of the cross examination. i don't think it was surprising to see susan necheles get up either. the one thing i did take away from this week was how todd's presence and the mud that todd went before the judge and at the lectern was reduced as the week went on. i wonder if that is, well, so, if you think about the timing, it was after heated opening statements. there were objections sustained during his opening statement, that wasn't a great look in...
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and emil bove try to put distance between michael cohen and the trump campaign. whether or not this was done to benefit the campaign is at least one of the crux of the matter here . again, this is from nbc reporters courtroom notes today. emil bove, "michael cohen was mr. trump's personal lawyer and that was his only job?" "correct." "between 2015 and 2016 michael cohen was clear he was the personal attorney." "tran33, yes." that is in addition to making it seem david pecker had his facts spoonfed to them by prosecutors, suggesting he might have lied under oath at one point to have behind prosecutors when he didn't mention multiple times that hope hicks, trumps staff hope hicks was present at at least one key meeting. this again is the defense on cross examination. the defense will get to resume the cross-examination of david pecker tomorrow morning when court reconvenes at 9:30 a.m. . the revelations from david pecker on direct examination feel so understandable and straightforward and sort of right to the point in terms of what that case is. i understand the de
and emil bove try to put distance between michael cohen and the trump campaign. whether or not this was done to benefit the campaign is at least one of the crux of the matter here . again, this is from nbc reporters courtroom notes today. emil bove, "michael cohen was mr. trump's personal lawyer and that was his only job?" "correct." "between 2015 and 2016 michael cohen was clear he was the personal attorney." "tran33, yes." that is in addition to making...
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his impatience increased as discussions continued but he definitely prefers bove to blanche. that's an observation. does that happen? you try to avoid it, maybe, but the fact is that the way they act, they way they present themselves, and their knowledge, what their arguments are can influence you? >> that's true. and i like the way you started this piece with judges are human. that's true. and it's also true that you get more bees with honey than vinegar and lawyers should take that to note. >> so restrategize, if you see that something you're doing is pushing the judge in the wrong direction, don't keep doing it over and over again. >> yes and no. there are some lawyers who don't follow that rule. they will bait you. they want to be the person who gets in your face and makes you crazy. they think they win that way. >> with the jury? >> i think sometimes they think that. i speak to jurors. i've had, you know, a myriad of cases, hundreds of jurors i have spoken to over the years, and they do not care for that. they do respect the process. they are part of the process. they ta
his impatience increased as discussions continued but he definitely prefers bove to blanche. that's an observation. does that happen? you try to avoid it, maybe, but the fact is that the way they act, they way they present themselves, and their knowledge, what their arguments are can influence you? >> that's true. and i like the way you started this piece with judges are human. that's true. and it's also true that you get more bees with honey than vinegar and lawyers should take that to...
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bove, she wanted to promote her name and brand, correct? yes. she, karen mcdougal was illegitimate celebrity at that time, right? pecker, let me say this. did she meet the celebrity category at that time? no. there were reportedly audible chuckles in the courtroom after that happened. it was not what you would call a highlight moment for the defense. in fact, to be honest from my perspective almost none of it so far has seen all that great for donald trump. maybe you don't need a compelling narrative when the job is to get jurors to believe in reasonable doubt or maybe this is what is happening when you work with an impossible client and do a better job. what does a competent defense strategy look like in this trial? is it turns out, joining me now is andrew wiseman, and anna bello, a pleasure to have you both onset. first of all, i am totally honest about all of this. i will just say, andrew, from what i have seen, i think anybody who is even casually watching this understands the story the prosecution is trying to tell. it seems like a scatter
bove, she wanted to promote her name and brand, correct? yes. she, karen mcdougal was illegitimate celebrity at that time, right? pecker, let me say this. did she meet the celebrity category at that time? no. there were reportedly audible chuckles in the courtroom after that happened. it was not what you would call a highlight moment for the defense. in fact, to be honest from my perspective almost none of it so far has seen all that great for donald trump. maybe you don't need a compelling...
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cross examination has just resumed with david pecker, trump's attorney bove asking about that testify that pecker did on that 2018 meeting with the fbi, where he said one thing about whether donald trump had ever thanked him for the mcdougal money, or not. there appears to be some contradiction in that and that's what bove, trump's attorney, is starting to focus in on with david pecker. while trump has slammed this case as election interference, veteran republican campaign strategist stewart stevens says being stuck in court could be exactly what trump needed. he writes in "the new york times," quote, trial will afford mr. trump the opportunity to define the essence of his candidacy, i am a victim. joining us now, brendan buck, former press secretary to boehner and ryan, also an msnbc political analyst, and symone sanders townsend, co-host of the weekend here on msnbc. i'm looking forward to that show. she also previously served as chief spokesperson for vice president harris. this trial is already changing how trump is forced to campaign. he stopped to greet construction workers outs
cross examination has just resumed with david pecker, trump's attorney bove asking about that testify that pecker did on that 2018 meeting with the fbi, where he said one thing about whether donald trump had ever thanked him for the mcdougal money, or not. there appears to be some contradiction in that and that's what bove, trump's attorney, is starting to focus in on with david pecker. while trump has slammed this case as election interference, veteran republican campaign strategist stewart...
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he is on cross right now with emil bove, and it looks like bove is trying to get him to say what he was doing was good for the "national enquirer's" business, to try to say that this was not necessarily about helping donald trump but helping out the "national enquirer." >> i think it can be two things at one time, right, there can be a motive for the campaign, for the electoral motive. it might have also helped the "national enquirer," but those two things can both be true, but and. >> how do you read today's testimony? do you think it's devastating for donald trump or do you think there are openings for the defense. >> i think it's not going well for donald trump. i think it's going quickly. this trial is moving along at a brisk pace, more quickly than anybody expected and this is a key part, the key part is why did you make these payments. one of really two or three key parts, and that's it. >> one of the things that we're just, again, getting from him is they asked about sales, and sales on news stands accounted for 70% of their profits. 70% of the money that came into the "national
he is on cross right now with emil bove, and it looks like bove is trying to get him to say what he was doing was good for the "national enquirer's" business, to try to say that this was not necessarily about helping donald trump but helping out the "national enquirer." >> i think it can be two things at one time, right, there can be a motive for the campaign, for the electoral motive. it might have also helped the "national enquirer," but those two things...
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you will see him nodding after todd blanche or emile bovee whispered something to him and he would ask them a question. you can see that once in a while. the interesting thing with his interaction with the jury, which is a little bit different from when he was rebuked by the judge during jury selection for making a comment about a juror and the judge got really irritated with him the first week of the trial and basically told his lawyer, tell your client he cannot do that anymore. now, he does not have that kind of interaction with the jury and does not say anything to them. when they come in and out in the morning and after lunch and sometimes the third or fourth time, they pass within three feet of him as they exit the courtroom and he has -- he is required to stand when the jury comes in and leaves. now, this is a very interesting small democratic moment, where a former president of the united states, who says he wants to be a dictator for a day, he has to stand in honor of 18 jurors, 18 citizens. and they file past him as if they are soldiers, silent soldiers on their way to do the
you will see him nodding after todd blanche or emile bovee whispered something to him and he would ask them a question. you can see that once in a while. the interesting thing with his interaction with the jury, which is a little bit different from when he was rebuked by the judge during jury selection for making a comment about a juror and the judge got really irritated with him the first week of the trial and basically told his lawyer, tell your client he cannot do that anymore. now, he does...
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. >> i should note one of the things that emil bove, one of trumps lawyers, try to do with david pecker was pushing on his memory, which is a standard form of cross. i have to say, i remember having this thought when i was watching the gwyneth paltrow civil case about the ski incident like does anyone really remember at this point who knocked and who? the memory thing seems fine and at some point etc. you are really good about conversations you had, it's hard to remember what that almost 10 years ago. david pecker, "yes." there are some instances where your and fills in gaps, right? "to the best of my knowledge." in this case you have notes because he did fbi intake and there's corroborating documents, which seems to have the prosecution. >> i think you still, nevertheless, as the defense, if that is what we are talking about, them operating this week, you have to attack all angles. if there are any areas with which you can attack his credibility, his opportunity to observe or remember, you have to take those angles. >> let me ask you this judge. we have the motion to show cause on the
. >> i should note one of the things that emil bove, one of trumps lawyers, try to do with david pecker was pushing on his memory, which is a standard form of cross. i have to say, i remember having this thought when i was watching the gwyneth paltrow civil case about the ski incident like does anyone really remember at this point who knocked and who? the memory thing seems fine and at some point etc. you are really good about conversations you had, it's hard to remember what that almost...