mcdougal who said she had an affair with donald trump which donald trump denies. he said he paid one hunt $50,000 to her because -- $150,000 to her. but then his legal advisor advised against it and he knew the payments phyletic campaign-finance laws. then when he detailed the hearing about stormy daniels selling her story, he says he urged michael cohen to make the payment himself. he was just unwilling to make the payment in that case, he said, and that is kind of where we saw this go, caitriona. david packer for the prosecution outlining the scheme and the cover-up, sing donald trump spoke to him many times afterward, asking about why the women for example had given interviews when there was an agreement with them not to. then the defense was able to start questioning of david packer. he testified this checkbook journalism, paying to suppress stories, was standard operating procedure and he had done it with several celebrities including tiger woods and arnold schwarzenegger. caitriona: thank you. gary, this a big moment for donald trump at the supreme court, al