john: and two justices, samuel alito, a conservative, and justice ketanji brown jackson, one of the liberals, sort of talked about this at very different viewpoints. marcia: very different view points. >> if an incumbent who loses a hotly contested election knows that a real possibility after leaving office is not that the president is going to be able to go off into a peaceful retirement, but that the president may be criminally prosecuted by a bitter political opponent, will that not lead us into a cycle that destabilizes the functioning of our country as a democracy? >> i think it's exactly the opposite. there is an appropriate way to challenge things through the courts with evidence. if you lose, you accept the results. that has been the nation's experience. >> you seem to be worried about the president being chilled. i think that we would have a really significant opposite problem if the president wasn't chilled. if someone with those kinds of powers, the most powerful person in the world, with the greatest amount of authority, could go into office knowing that there would be no potenti