kim: so having worked for the big studios, columbia, hbo, miramax, you both went independent. um, why was that important for you to do a keri? keri: well, it's, i'm late coming to being independent, i think. stephanie, stephanie has been a producer for longer, but i felt it was my time to try something new. and i also had never um, bet on myself and done something entrepreneurial. and i felt i wanted to get closer to storytelling. i wanted to be setting my own terms in a way, and using the experiences i had, so i'm giving it a shot, i just started really. stephanie: oh, she's going to be amazing. kim: is it frightening stepping out on your own? keri: it is, it is, but again, you're, you're caught by the community at, that, that you've, you've come to know and, and people, you know, you can reach out and call and get advice. and, and yes, it's frightening, but it's also it's a time in my life, i think, where, you know, it's okay to shake it up a little bit. stephanie: yeah. kim: stephanie, i know you went as far as selling your house to start your own company. stephanie: i did,