in fact, pomerantz, he wasn't even -- we subpoenaed him, and he fought it. we went to court, and the judge, the court says, no, you have got to come testify. so he comes testifies and takes the fifth umpteen times. it's all a political. and, again, as a eric trump said earlier, i think the country sees. maria: well, that's what i wanted to ask you, is that resonating on people. whether or not what you're saying is right, that there's no crime, we can't figure out what the crime is, or president trump is in court every day all a day long, and he's sitting there. and hen you've got joe biden on the other side of the screen campaigning in all of these swing states. after a while does this resonate in the psyche of american citizens and voters that they just assume one guy's bad, one guy's good? >> well, yeah, i think we're way past that because they've seen this weaponization of government. they've seen this lawfare, and they've seen just the escalation of attacks on president trump all the way back to '16. they spied on his campaign, then it was the mueller or