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and trump helped ami as well. pecker agree when firms lawyer called it a a mutually beneficial relationship, what do you think the benefit that pecker and his company got from this was it's hard to quantify because american media is that was a privately held company. >> we don't have access to the bank statements to show how much better at trump issue would sell on the newsstand versus issue about some celebrity. but i do think we do know back in 2015 the context was say brian, just hold on. >> both vegas asking you about national enquirer stories about the clintons confirming with pecker that ami had decided to run negative stories before that august 2015 meeting. sorry. go ahead, brian. >> and back in that time, trump was just beginning to consolidate control over the gop. remember, there were so many people running for president back in august 2015, trump, at that point, might have still been considered a long-shot, right? his candidacy was a surprise to many people, but he needed to create this alternative rea
and trump helped ami as well. pecker agree when firms lawyer called it a a mutually beneficial relationship, what do you think the benefit that pecker and his company got from this was it's hard to quantify because american media is that was a privately held company. >> we don't have access to the bank statements to show how much better at trump issue would sell on the newsstand versus issue about some celebrity. but i do think we do know back in 2015 the context was say brian, just hold...
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but tomorrow they're really going to get into the heart of that deal and the role of ami, the role of michael cohen, the phone calls around this and how that came it to be and then move into the stormy daniels, which is at the center of this case and bring the campaign into this even more so, he's expected to be on the stand, i think for quite awhile, maybe the whole de when the defense gets their cross-examination going, but he will be for the prosecution's witness to try to continue to establish these catch and kill conspiracy for and then also the motive for which was to help donald trump's campaign. timmy diet. >> and what do you see? david pecker is role as this for the prosecution. >> i think for so long we've talked about michael cohen as the narrator, and i think what's so powerful here is that david pecker is really serving as that narrator, but he has the benefit of not having the hostility and credibility issues that are associated michael cohen, but he's really serving the role of taking us from 2015. he's drawing the campaign in. he's talking about everything is little as
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i will note that ami after david pecker left the board of ami, actually did settled with the federal elections commission. they paid $180,000 fine for this exact contribution. guess really important, jessica, let's turn now to the panel because we're hearing so much information abbey tonight about what happened, the catch and kill scheme, but also this tied to the actual election and jim, let me start with you on this because when you look at this, the prosecutors, they've got to prove it's not just to benefit or hide it from his family the key here is for the purpose of the election, did they have any clear moments in your mind where they slam dunk that? >> so i don't think so because first off, they're going to cross-examination is going to bear out some other facts, right? they're going to attack the credibility of david pecker. the idea that he was that he was trying to avoid liability himself here by coming in and testifying. they're going to use all of those things. but really, when you go back to new york statue that they're relying on and they, they telegraph that nowhere in
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that means all of these ami payments, donald trump is being charged for a payment from michael cohen to stormy daniels, right? that was allegedly conceal where hearing that a lot of other payment exact mcdougal well, right. so the payment from an my to karen mcdougal and the payment from ami to adore man who was in possession of a rumor of a trump love child. those are not actions that donald trump is being charged for in this case. but the judge has led in all this testimony from david pecker and others about those transactions to establish the intent the alleged conspiracy here. and those are stated exceptions in new york case law to the general rule that you not let in evidence of uncharged crimes nevertheless, i think that the weinstein verdict being overturned because of the letting in of that kind of more attenuated evidence, just illustrates how fraught it is anytime mccord, let's that in and certainly donald trump is going to capitalize on every opportunity he has to say, hey, this was a prejudice prosecution. they let in too much. they were overbroad for a grounds for appeal
that means all of these ami payments, donald trump is being charged for a payment from michael cohen to stormy daniels, right? that was allegedly conceal where hearing that a lot of other payment exact mcdougal well, right. so the payment from an my to karen mcdougal and the payment from ami to adore man who was in possession of a rumor of a trump love child. those are not actions that donald trump is being charged for in this case. but the judge has led in all this testimony from david pecker...
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the prosecution saying, well, this was this was from his ami phone that he used for work. so this is going to continue to be a debate, but at this point, the judge isn't sold, so the jury hasn't heard that very stark line, very stark it's fascinating. he read through several different techniques. and again, the jury was not in there. they're trying to have this admitted. this was objected to by trump's team and judge merchan said he would consider it, but think about it more and talk about it after lunch and other email from dylan howard had actually been admitted by the judge a little bit earlier on during a series of objections, but also that with this first-degree family member, i believe is as it was described, dylan howard, who is the editor-in-chief from national enquirer on election night, saying, in a text message oh dear essentially that trump was going to win, but also in another text message saying, i don't believe this is going to hurt us at all the favors that we've done for the former per four, then the president elect or soon to be president elect. and wheth
the prosecution saying, well, this was this was from his ami phone that he used for work. so this is going to continue to be a debate, but at this point, the judge isn't sold, so the jury hasn't heard that very stark line, very stark it's fascinating. he read through several different techniques. and again, the jury was not in there. they're trying to have this admitted. this was objected to by trump's team and judge merchan said he would consider it, but think about it more and talk about it...
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, i think the most interesting takeaway is that the votes of cheese chief justice john roberts, and amy coney barrett seemed to be up for grabs and that's a little bit of a surprise because i think a lot of folks might think, well, of course they're going to side with idaho. but in fact, based on the question that we heard today, both of them seemed to open and that's critical because it would of course let's be key swing votes here, right? and the key here is, as i mentioned at the open, this is the most significant case that is dealing with the ramifications of what this very court did a few years ago, which is the dobbs decision overturning roe versus wade. and the very real issue that many medical providers are having in a lot of these red states where there are very strict abortion bans on, where they believe the law is and what they can do and frankly not get sued yeah. or lose their medical license or an idaho face two to five years in prison if they violate the state ban. and what we're hearing is that this has a couple of different effects. one doctor salah's and patients tell
, i think the most interesting takeaway is that the votes of cheese chief justice john roberts, and amy coney barrett seemed to be up for grabs and that's a little bit of a surprise because i think a lot of folks might think, well, of course they're going to side with idaho. but in fact, based on the question that we heard today, both of them seemed to open and that's critical because it would of course let's be key swing votes here, right? and the key here is, as i mentioned at the open, this...
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there was a list that i was shown by a senior ami source of trump's stories, not all of them terribly consequential. some of them were his feud with rosie o'donnell, but some of them were also potentially unflattering ones. so this was a deep and wide relationship and pecker saying over and over again now this was about trying to help donald trump get into the white house is confirmation of something that ami lied to a lot of reporters, including me about back when these things were first emergent. >> also that save helps helps explain perhaps why mr. trump has not criticized david pecker at all. i want to ask you before you go, because yesterday we saw i made a major court ruling completely separate from the trump case also on a subject that you've broken a lot of stories about and you think it could ultimately manner for trump the new york court of appeals overturned harvey weinstein's 2020 eviction for sex crimes basically, the court said that the lower court made a mistake by allowing women to testify about allegations of sexual assault that we're separate from the three for which
there was a list that i was shown by a senior ami source of trump's stories, not all of them terribly consequential. some of them were his feud with rosie o'donnell, but some of them were also potentially unflattering ones. so this was a deep and wide relationship and pecker saying over and over again now this was about trying to help donald trump get into the white house is confirmation of something that ami lied to a lot of reporters, including me about back when these things were first...
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he resigned from his position at ami in 2020. he will return to the witness stand tomorrow. we're told let's bring in criminal defense attorney bill brennan and former federal prosecutor at jennifer rodgers to talk about this fascinating day in court today, jennifer, let's look ahead to testimony tomorrow it seems like today all the process questions were asked and tomorrow we might get more substantial testimony about conversations that mr. may have had directly with donald trump you expect to hear, i mean, after all has been granted immunity well, i think we'll hear all of what was previewed in the opening today. >> i think he'll say he was the eyes and ears that they agreed that he was going to play the role of keeping an eye out for stories that might be harmful to trump's candidacy. also, they agreed to publish negative stories about his opponents to publish positive stories about him. so i think we'll hear all about that and including this 2015 meeting that he had with trump, where trump would have directly either asked him are agreed that this was their plan. so i'm e
he resigned from his position at ami in 2020. he will return to the witness stand tomorrow. we're told let's bring in criminal defense attorney bill brennan and former federal prosecutor at jennifer rodgers to talk about this fascinating day in court today, jennifer, let's look ahead to testimony tomorrow it seems like today all the process questions were asked and tomorrow we might get more substantial testimony about conversations that mr. may have had directly with donald trump you expect to...
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. >> one of the questions one of the first questions they asked for comments was so ami isn't a charity organization, is you're making a profit off of all of this really making him seem like this is about greed and that's all to get the jury thinking that they don't like this person. >> yeah. important point. it was interesting. i thought that kaitlyn that david pecker testified about a call with two top white house staffers at the time who picks and sarah huckabee sanders would that reveal as someone who covered the white house and remembers sarah sanders being at the white house briefing room where obviously all three of us have sat at one point, she had to deny allegations about karen mcdougal citing conversations that she had with donald trump to hear that review still today that there was a call with the national enquirer tabloid king, hope hicks and sarah sanders while they were taxpayer funded white house officials and talking where david pecker was asieh that if he should extend karen mcdougal's contract was absolutely stunning and it really showed you that all of this that has
. >> one of the questions one of the first questions they asked for comments was so ami isn't a charity organization, is you're making a profit off of all of this really making him seem like this is about greed and that's all to get the jury thinking that they don't like this person. >> yeah. important point. it was interesting. i thought that kaitlyn that david pecker testified about a call with two top white house staffers at the time who picks and sarah huckabee sanders would...
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. >> there was a lightning round of questions in which justice amy coney barrett, a trump appointee, got trump's attorney to concede that the indictment and lists acts by donald trump allegations of behavior that would not be covered by presidential immunity because they were private acts take a listen petitioner turned to a private attorney, was willing to spread knowingly false claims of election fraud to spearhead is challenges to the election results private, as we dispute the allegation by sounds private took sounds private. >> sinner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing and court of a verification signed by petitioner that contain false allegations to support a challenge so sounds private three private actors to attorneys, including those mentioned above, and a political consultant helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding and petitioner and a coconspirator attorney directed that effort you ready to quickly i believe that's private joshua, what do you make of that concession? >>
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kites, you're saying ami suddenly came back to you with interests to keith? yes. to us for the story. yeah. >> what do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back they wanted to squash story you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump i'm assuming so. yeah. >> if donald trump hadn't been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami knowing what you know now, probably not know how for not you're pretty you're convinced now this was an effort to do a favor for donald trump in the last few months of the presidential race unfortunately, yes how is new yorker contributing writer ronan farrow, author of catch and kill lies, fires, and conspiracy to protect predators david was obviously central to a lot of your reporting. i'm running what you make of him being called as the first witness. well, he's an obvious choice for a sort of star witness. >> there's a reason prosecutors are putting him first. he's right at the heart of this scheme. he was the guy in the position of power at am
kites, you're saying ami suddenly came back to you with interests to keith? yes. to us for the story. yeah. >> what do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back they wanted to squash story you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump i'm assuming so. yeah. >> if donald trump hadn't been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami knowing what you know now, probably not know how for not you're...
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i was actually shown from a senior ami source, a larger list of trump's stories. some of them more consequential than others, not all of these were barn burner. some of them morgan, about his feud with rosie o'donnell is all of the stuff they had amassed over the years, but they really did keep tabs on that. and during the election, they made sure that that list was in a safe. there were sources who claimed that there was shredding of certain documents. so people at am i knew that they did as you say, have trump's secrets and that that could be a source of leverage gen. potentially collaboration with him. i think it's a pretty startling about face for trump to have to listen to this stuff in court. >> what do you think was in this for david? i mean, was it proximity to donald trump's? he did he really think that they were friends would proximity, i think is the answer. >> and this was a tried and true model for david and the national enquirer. they used these tactics, this combination of carrots and sticks will buy up stories for you, maybe will threaten you that
i was actually shown from a senior ami source, a larger list of trump's stories. some of them more consequential than others, not all of these were barn burner. some of them morgan, about his feud with rosie o'donnell is all of the stuff they had amassed over the years, but they really did keep tabs on that. and during the election, they made sure that that list was in a safe. there were sources who claimed that there was shredding of certain documents. so people at am i knew that they did as...
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did you say or did ami say? in this document that amis principal purpose in entering into the agreement was to suppress the model story so as to prevent it from influencing the election. pecker sets? that is correct is that true, mr. pecker was that your purpose and locking up the karen mcdougal story to influence the election. this is laura's point about repetition. again he says pecker says, yes. so cyclists, if i understand you correctly, running stories that praise mr. trump appealed to your readership. packers says yes, they did what they were doing here was suppressing these stories that appeal to the rigueur ship in a way that later on in this, he does say this was actually against our interest because we could have made a ton of money on this story but chose not to because it was in our interest to help out donald. >> how does that play marcus? >> well, i think it plays well, honestly, for the for the government's case, when we go to the reputation of, your going through these themes like instead of bein
did you say or did ami say? in this document that amis principal purpose in entering into the agreement was to suppress the model story so as to prevent it from influencing the election. pecker sets? that is correct is that true, mr. pecker was that your purpose and locking up the karen mcdougal story to influence the election. this is laura's point about repetition. again he says pecker says, yes. so cyclists, if i understand you correctly, running stories that praise mr. trump appealed to...
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dylan howard, of course, worked at ami fire senior editor, the national enquirer? yes. >> there is a tape recording of donald trump talking to michael cohen about the, uh, hundred and $50,000 that mcdougal thing, you know? saying something to the effect of what's it going to cost 150. so i'm sure that'll be important in this guy tape is so important, it's clear that up probably later and you can look at that, dave, it's public. i think cnn broke the story. if i remember, it's on the internet and you can look at that tape and they're going to argue it both ways. it sounds trump knows some of the details. so that'll be good for the prosecution. but the defense will say, look at this tape, trump is just sort of deferring to michael. i don't know. i'm fine with the payment. you handle the nuances, but the fact that he knew about it and moved it is important, valuable to the prosecutor's. yes. and we know that the prosecutor the attorney, joshua steinglass, is continuing his questioning of keith davidson right now. we're going to continue to monitor that everyone standb
dylan howard, of course, worked at ami fire senior editor, the national enquirer? yes. >> there is a tape recording of donald trump talking to michael cohen about the, uh, hundred and $50,000 that mcdougal thing, you know? saying something to the effect of what's it going to cost 150. so i'm sure that'll be important in this guy tape is so important, it's clear that up probably later and you can look at that, dave, it's public. i think cnn broke the story. if i remember, it's on the...
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and that ami would not run this story or any story related to karen and donald trump trump because it would tend to hurt donald trump while davidson testified about mcdougal and daniels, trump's son, eric trump, sat in the front row of the gallery listening. he is the first family member of trump's to attend the trial in court began with judge juan merchan handing down a much-anticipated ruling saying donald trump violated the gag order that prevents him from discussing witnesses in the case. nine times. trump was fined $9,000 total $1,000 per violation now we'll trump was pretty doing your during the day he sat and most of the time with his it back in his chair, with his eyes closed as he listened to the testimony, he was joined, though, in addition to eric trump has sunday was also joined the texas attorney general, ken paxton as well says campaign adviser susie wiles. now when they were back in court on thursday, keith davidson we'll take the stand, but first, the judge will hear arguments over whether donald trump violated the gag order in additional four times, wolfe, she would h
and that ami would not run this story or any story related to karen and donald trump trump because it would tend to hurt donald trump while davidson testified about mcdougal and daniels, trump's son, eric trump, sat in the front row of the gallery listening. he is the first family member of trump's to attend the trial in court began with judge juan merchan handing down a much-anticipated ruling saying donald trump violated the gag order that prevents him from discussing witnesses in the case....
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steinglass says, did either you or ami ever report to the federal election commission that ami had made a donation to of care, a payment to karen mcdougal. pecker says, we did not sign. glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross this morning yeah no that. >> was the meat and bones of the prosecution's case in terms the idea that this was all tied to the campaign, that this wasn't a personal thing that wasn't what rudy giuliani is to talk about it. oh, was just disparate as family the embarrassment. >> no the entire criminal congruent between ami and donald trump threw my cohen was to assist the campaign to catch and kill these stories for the purpose of assist in this
steinglass says, did either you or ami ever report to the federal election commission that ami had made a donation to of care, a payment to karen mcdougal. pecker says, we did not sign. glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr....
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he is the head of ami, which owned the national it's not inquire. listened to david testimony over the next couple of days encouraging the jurors to listen to motivation to sell magnets is making very clear where he'll go david, when they have the chance to cross-examine him. one thing he when he was talking about stormy daniels, it seems very clear trump's legal team does expect stormy daniels to testify. that's what i read that's what my analysis is of what todd blanche was saying. they're saying that maybe it's going to be salacious, but it doesn't ultimately matter. your because she doesn't know about the heart of the allegations here, which is about how these payments were categorized in donald trump's records and his financial records here that is something that's notable, but saying to listen to what testimony was for selling magazines, i mean, anyone who's ever picked up a copy of the national enquirer would know that it's interesting though, to kinda turn david against that because for decades donald trump used david to his advantage. i mea
he is the head of ami, which owned the national it's not inquire. listened to david testimony over the next couple of days encouraging the jurors to listen to motivation to sell magnets is making very clear where he'll go david, when they have the chance to cross-examine him. one thing he when he was talking about stormy daniels, it seems very clear trump's legal team does expect stormy daniels to testify. that's what i read that's what my analysis is of what todd blanche was saying. they're...
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i would again expect this is likely going to have to do with either ami and/or michael palin. the judge held that he doesn't want to speak about objections in front of the jury. okay. so they will go to sidebar, which trump has said he wants to participate in all the sidebar is they'll go with a jury, can't hear them to hash out this particular objection. i'm curious to see if trump wants to get some steps in and join the sidebar here. what it's about, or if he stays that the seat because i was they will many of us are skeptical that he really would participate at this level. he said he wanted to be at every little sidebar, a little meeting with the judge and lawyers. but most defendants don't do that. >> so let me see if he does. >> what would be the reason for objecting to the introduction of text messages? >> i mean, that seems like a pretty standard move for the prosecution or defence depends what's ent and what they're saying. right? so if we're talking about michael cohen, talking about hush money deal going to be hard to keep that out, right? but if we're talking about
i would again expect this is likely going to have to do with either ami and/or michael palin. the judge held that he doesn't want to speak about objections in front of the jury. okay. so they will go to sidebar, which trump has said he wants to participate in all the sidebar is they'll go with a jury, can't hear them to hash out this particular objection. i'm curious to see if trump wants to get some steps in and join the sidebar here. what it's about, or if he stays that the seat because i was...
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. >> it's a pretty generous as view of the fake slates of electors as amy coney barrett, the justice noted today, even fake paperwork that was just created for slates of electors that we're not alternate. they just were fake. they were fraud you a little again in 18 76 rutherford b. >> hayes was elected president 20 in nine, there's a long history of this in 1960, there's not a long history of multiple slates of fake electors, people who are not the legitimate electors representing the will of the voters and arizona, wisconsin, pennsylvania, and michigan. >> well, again, what we're talking about is alternate slates of electors and you can characterize them as fake or not. >> but in cases where there are serious allegations of election fraud, this is the system that's been used throughout american history, probably most recently in the 1960s election when an alternate slate of electors from hawaii was seated. let me ask you this because if you believe that there are some private acts in here and some official acts in here. why didn't you ask the district court two months ago to suss t
. >> it's a pretty generous as view of the fake slates of electors as amy coney barrett, the justice noted today, even fake paperwork that was just created for slates of electors that we're not alternate. they just were fake. they were fraud you a little again in 18 76 rutherford b. >> hayes was elected president 20 in nine, there's a long history of this in 1960, there's not a long history of multiple slates of fake electors, people who are not the legitimate electors representing...
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steinglass says, did either you or ami every report to the federal election commission in 2016 that ami had made a $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. pecker said as no, we did not. >> steinglass asked, why did in my make this purchase of karen mcdougal story pecker, we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization steinglass. >> and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? >> i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. and that's just one of the many times where pecker in direct basically said this was for the campaign, not for a personal reason. >> it's incredibly important because as we keep hearing from this gentleman, like what's the crime here? there's the crime that this is an illegal campaign contribution that is funneled through funneled through ami american media, the national enquirer for the benefit of donald charles. >> i was at a campaign contribution because it's money spent for the benefit of the campaign. oh, come on. you don't think that's pecker gave some rea
steinglass says, did either you or ami every report to the federal election commission in 2016 that ami had made a $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. pecker said as no, we did not. >> steinglass asked, why did in my make this purchase of karen mcdougal story pecker, we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization steinglass. >> and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? >> i didn't want we didn't want the story to...
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hillary and and bill clinton before 2015. >> their problem homes were in fact good for business for ami. but when it got really intense, when it was really down to trump and hillary who were running for president. things got really intense at ami and they ran a lot of stories beyond what they use to run i think that that became pretty clear too, that this was part of what needed to be done to help the campaign and then what a prosecutors need to do next as a try to make the case to the jury that trump falsified business records to cover up the hush money payment well, they've started working on that they started by bringing in a records keeper, a banker who's now going to present records involving michael cohen and the way money came in, and the way money went out and the loans that were taken, they brought in rhona and she she did more than just testify for the prosecution and set the stage again for the visits from mr. pecker, from michael cohen, his access to the former president she was in fact the gatekeeper. >> you didn't get in, you didn't get to talk to donald trump unless she w
hillary and and bill clinton before 2015. >> their problem homes were in fact good for business for ami. but when it got really intense, when it was really down to trump and hillary who were running for president. things got really intense at ami and they ran a lot of stories beyond what they use to run i think that that became pretty clear too, that this was part of what needed to be done to help the campaign and then what a prosecutors need to do next as a try to make the case to the...
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we also have a strong sense that figure is an ami. the then parent company of the national enquirer are going to be willing to help david for instance, has gone in and met with prosecutors around the inquiries into trump in the hush payments from basically square one. so there's a roster of individuals who can speak to the fact that this was a scheme to influence the election, something that the trump folks denied to me from the beginning of this recording. and then gradually have had to admit to we last time you and i spoke, you said that you weren't sure whether there's a strong case yet given where things stand out after >> today, what do you think you'd said that given the unique nature of these charges? >> trump is obviously facing a variety of criminal proceedings around the country. there's these four ongoing cases it is true that most legal experts regard this as one of the thinner ones. if theoretically each of these charges, in this case, could carry a multiyear sentence, but more likely any sentence would be served concurre
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she had to say once don't trump won the republican nomination you're saying ami suddenly came back to you with interests to keith? yes. to us for the story. yeah. >> what do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back >> they wanted to squash story you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump >> i'm assuming so, yeah. >> if donald trump hadn't been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami knowing what you know now, probably not. no haven't for not, you're pretty you're convinced now this was an effort to do a favor for donald trump in the last few months of the presidential race unfortunately, yes >> i'll pivot all. do you think her actual testimony would be well, we don't yet know whether that testimony will be a part of this trial. it was lead in theoretically, but the judge also made a hedging comment saying, we don't know whether the probative value of that would bay, the pudendal potential prejudicial effect of it. so we'll see what we do know from both of our interactions with karen mcdo
she had to say once don't trump won the republican nomination you're saying ami suddenly came back to you with interests to keith? yes. to us for the story. yeah. >> what do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back >> they wanted to squash story you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump >> i'm assuming so, yeah. >> if donald trump hadn't been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made...
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it is a strange experience for many of the reporters because one of the things he is speaking to is ami, the former owner of the national and choir did say he lied. what we are getting is not new revelations but an apparent conspiracy. we are getting additional details and information. >> what are your sources telling you right now? >> there is a feeling that pecker is a strong witness. there is also a lot of apprehension about some of the witnesses. michael cohen is at is at some point going to have to takes the stand and prosecutors are looking at positioning that midway through next month. there is a mounting sense of anxiety, particularly over the course of this week about how noisy michael cohen is and how he is a loose cannon. i have had contact with him over the years and i think i understand and empathize with all of the reasons he is in a stressful position right now. to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team, finally amount i am going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop
it is a strange experience for many of the reporters because one of the things he is speaking to is ami, the former owner of the national and choir did say he lied. what we are getting is not new revelations but an apparent conspiracy. we are getting additional details and information. >> what are your sources telling you right now? >> there is a feeling that pecker is a strong witness. there is also a lot of apprehension about some of the witnesses. michael cohen is at is at some...
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that point that which is to say what are the things that's significant about establishing that that ami did this for lots of a there are people is it tends to negate the idea that this was done for an election purpose, right? if they're catching and killing stories for lots of other celebrities, schwarzenegger was, was running for governor, ryan walberg wasn't right. i mean, there are other people for factor was saying we would do this and so i think at the end of the day, pecker was still a very effective witness for the prosecution. >> i think there's lots of answers to this. >> he talked about how we got close to the election for president trump that the concern that trump expressed was about the effect on his campaign. >> but nevertheless, so i think establishing that this was your standard operating procedure normalizes it, makes it seem arguably like it's less related to the campaign itself, which is important. but overall, i thought he was an excellent witness and also significantly, he showed no bias toward trump. i mean, not only was he not deflecting responsibility for his own
that point that which is to say what are the things that's significant about establishing that that ami did this for lots of a there are people is it tends to negate the idea that this was done for an election purpose, right? if they're catching and killing stories for lots of other celebrities, schwarzenegger was, was running for governor, ryan walberg wasn't right. i mean, there are other people for factor was saying we would do this and so i think at the end of the day, pecker was still a...
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here's conservative justice amy coney barrett questioning the president's attorney, john sauer you can see the private acts don't get immunity. >> we do. okay. and i want to know if you agree or disagree about the characterization of these acts is private. petitioner turned to a private attorney, was willing to spread knowingly false claims of election fraud to bare head is challenges to the election results. private dining we dispute the allegation, but sounds private. >> took sounds private. >> petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing and court of a verification signed by petitioner that contain false allegations to support a challenge. >> so sounds private. >> three private actors to attorneys, including those mentioned above, and a political consultant helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of president shall electors to obstruct the certification proceeding and petitioner and a coconspirator attorney directed that effort you ready to quickly i believe that dr. so of today's arguments also focused on for president richard nixon and his l
here's conservative justice amy coney barrett questioning the president's attorney, john sauer you can see the private acts don't get immunity. >> we do. okay. and i want to know if you agree or disagree about the characterization of these acts is private. petitioner turned to a private attorney, was willing to spread knowingly false claims of election fraud to bare head is challenges to the election results. private dining we dispute the allegation, but sounds private. >> took...
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. >> so this has come up a few times that ami, the company that owned the national enquirer and david pecker had what is called a non-prosecution agreement with the justice department, where they effectively admitted that they they committed campaign finance violations by paying, for example, karen mcdougal, $150,000 to suppress her story. and there's a little bit of a semantic game. well you weren't exactly charged, but you did admitted. so the district attorney, assuming the defense attorneys, were trying to establish that pecker was doing this only because they argue that he was under business pressure. there were business transactions that had to go through and that he had to get the fbi investigation out of the way before he could do that they were trying to sow seeds of doubt in the minds of the jurors about why ami and david pecker would have said something was a campaign finance violations but when they had a chance to go back and i'm prosecutor there's revisited that and had him confirm that. yes. you did admit that this was a campaign finance violations and oh, by the way, y
. >> so this has come up a few times that ami, the company that owned the national enquirer and david pecker had what is called a non-prosecution agreement with the justice department, where they effectively admitted that they they committed campaign finance violations by paying, for example, karen mcdougal, $150,000 to suppress her story. and there's a little bit of a semantic game. well you weren't exactly charged, but you did admitted. so the district attorney, assuming the defense...
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put $150,000 from trump and the trunk trump organization backed ami. but when am i took the whole thing to the lawyers whatever they said to david pecker, all of a sudden, david pecker was like, you know what, forget about everything, tear it all up and this was in this was all taking place in october of 2016. so a lot of people had a strong sense, has this thing continued to develop right into election night that there were problems? >> yeah judge. thank you for that. and i should note there is a lot of background noise. trump has been encouraging his supporters to come to the courthouse because he's been disappointed that there hasn't been enough of them out there. so that is the background noise behind you, judge. thank you. and karen and polo were now learning that keith davidson is confirming relationships that he had with, stormy daniels is publicist at the time, and with dylan howard, who was the editor in chief of the national enquirer. and he says, he rarely negotiated the sale of stories to the tabloids, which was and he's also looking at the
put $150,000 from trump and the trunk trump organization backed ami. but when am i took the whole thing to the lawyers whatever they said to david pecker, all of a sudden, david pecker was like, you know what, forget about everything, tear it all up and this was in this was all taking place in october of 2016. so a lot of people had a strong sense, has this thing continued to develop right into election night that there were problems? >> yeah judge. thank you for that. and i should note...
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election exactly the first one that michael cohen was setting up was to handle the reimbursement to ami for paying karen mcdougal, ultimately, ami call that often said they didn't want to do the reimbursement. >> the second one was for the stormy daniels payment and we've seen the creation of these companies through the documents on friday and now we'll get the sense of the money trial from here i want to bring in also former federal prosecutor, cnn senior legal analyst elie honig, and best-selling author, geoffrey tube and jeff who would you expect take the stand next? there they are working up to michael cohen. i don't know if he will be next, but he will be soon, but these this testimony, it's not the most thrilling stuff in the world to see the czechs and the financial transactions put in into evidence. but this is going to corroborate michael cohen when it's going to be very important testimony that the prosecution is going to say, look, michael cohen didn't invent these transactions. here are the money that pet changed hands. here is how it was done here, we've when it was done. s
election exactly the first one that michael cohen was setting up was to handle the reimbursement to ami for paying karen mcdougal, ultimately, ami call that often said they didn't want to do the reimbursement. >> the second one was for the stormy daniels payment and we've seen the creation of these companies through the documents on friday and now we'll get the sense of the money trial from here i want to bring in also former federal prosecutor, cnn senior legal analyst elie honig, and...
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he was a senior communications executive at ami, worked closely with so still this is so interesting is thomas saying now reports or they're not speaking. >> but was called of course, by the prosecution is their first way fitness, but the context friends with trump for decades and today he did say, hi to trump's table as he left the stand what do you read into all this? >> what do you read into that when it comes to crucial testimony on trump? >> well, david is very unique individuals that he focuses on what is good for david he fully recognized that the eyes of the media, we're on him, any interaction with trump while he was testifying? and so he couldn't help himself knowing him not to say hi, and smile at trump and leave the ball in trump's court to respond, which he didn't no, he did and that that in and of itself is fascinating. >> so you say, just as the context that is so crucial here in terms of what packers is going to be saying on the stand tomorrow, and trump, you've described to us as quote, unquote clones tell me what you mean. so well, they operate very similarly. just
he was a senior communications executive at ami, worked closely with so still this is so interesting is thomas saying now reports or they're not speaking. >> but was called of course, by the prosecution is their first way fitness, but the context friends with trump for decades and today he did say, hi to trump's table as he left the stand what do you read into all this? >> what do you read into that when it comes to crucial testimony on trump? >> well, david is very unique...
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i'm gonna read it. >> it's the questioning from justice amy coney barrett, and it's interesting because she pushed the idaho attorney joshua turner over when doctors could be criminally prosecuted for performing an abortion under state law. >> and she's making an interesting point here, because really it was the liberals who dominated most of turner's arguments their questioning. but she asked him whether if a doctor reached the conclusion in good faith that an abortion was medically necessary, but prosecutors disagreed. could they be prosecuted under idaho law? right. what is the prosecutor thought and i'm quoting her now. well, i don't think any good faith doctor would draw that conclusion. i'm going to put on my expert turner responded saying that you're honor, is the nature of prosecutorial discretion, and it may result in a case. i think he might have missed the point she was trying to make. she's raising concerns that if they agree with his side, your doctor's could potentially be prosecuted at the discretion of lawyers and he didn't defend his position very well. >> yeah. and san
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this was an exchange with amy coney barrett, one of the trump appointees on the court and trump's lawyer watch petitioner turn to a private attorney, was willing to spread knowingly, false claims of election fraud to spearhead is challenges to the election results. >> private as much. i mean, we just moved the allegation, but sounds private. two sounds private petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing and court of a verification signed by petitioner that contain false allegations to support a challenge. >> sounds private three private actors to attorneys, including those mentioned above& a political consultant helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification jim proceeding and petitioner and a coconspirator attorney directed that effort you write it quickly. i believe that it's private that's seems to answer a lot. >> there it does, casey and that is the genesis of the concern, right? you have to now parse out. is they have private conduct from presidential conduct and then, you know, this sort of, t
this was an exchange with amy coney barrett, one of the trump appointees on the court and trump's lawyer watch petitioner turn to a private attorney, was willing to spread knowingly, false claims of election fraud to spearhead is challenges to the election results. >> private as much. i mean, we just moved the allegation, but sounds private. two sounds private petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing and court of a verification signed by petitioner that...
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yeah, but that with karen mcdougal, there was discussion of the trump trump world giving ami basically back that money. am i didn't do that and that's the next step that did not happen in that case. it makes it different from what and rudy giuliani is on television in 2018 saying that michael cohen wasn't doing legal work for donald trump when he was paid that amount of money. it's higher than the $130,000. it's closer to $340,000. so he didn't have to take attacks. it and that is what my michael cohen has been $60,000 for his legal work for his troubles because he drew down a home equity line to do this. but rudy giuliani, who was still representing trump at the time, is on tv saying michael cohen wasn't doing any legal work for trump when he got this payment. this is what they marked it as. you have a pecker says just the opposite today, he says he's getting all the phone calls from cohen and it was a different time, but that was does that was during the campaign and he's saying that when michael kuilan has paid, which is when trump was in the white house and when they put that in th
yeah, but that with karen mcdougal, there was discussion of the trump trump world giving ami basically back that money. am i didn't do that and that's the next step that did not happen in that case. it makes it different from what and rudy giuliani is on television in 2018 saying that michael cohen wasn't doing legal work for donald trump when he was paid that amount of money. it's higher than the $130,000. it's closer to $340,000. so he didn't have to take attacks. it and that is what my...
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. >> he added that walmart was the main distributor of the magazine and it would be very bad for ami, the publishing company that produces the national enquirer, pecker also said, if anyone was going to buy it in terms of buying the story, i thought michael cohen and donald trump should buy it. the significance of that. do you think the idea that pecker is saying that he was reluctant to get involved in the stormy daniels case when we know at the end of the day, he didn't actually get involved. it was michael cohen who got involved. >> right. so i mean, look, i guess the the argument to be made is that that this was unusual, right? it wasn't standard fare for him to be necessarily wasn't his. consistent with his business objectives to be engaged, to kill stories, to kill stories, get it for trump, right? and then fact killing this particular story, i love acquiring the story, wouldn't have made any, make much business sense for him. so they're trying to hill this narrative around him as sort of working exclusive pro trump and exclusively for the purposes of the election, one of the th
. >> he added that walmart was the main distributor of the magazine and it would be very bad for ami, the publishing company that produces the national enquirer, pecker also said, if anyone was going to buy it in terms of buying the story, i thought michael cohen and donald trump should buy it. the significance of that. do you think the idea that pecker is saying that he was reluctant to get involved in the stormy daniels case when we know at the end of the day, he didn't actually get...
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he was someone who when trump first one, the white house before all of this became a thing before ami sayyed, this non-prosecution agreement, which is probably why he isn't such a good mood sitting on the stand. >> david pecker came to the white house house. he was in the oval office. he got a tour of the leaky in the trump tower when he came down the escalator, which i had not realized that he was michael cohen said it's very important for you to be here you've been such a good friend. let's be honest. i mean, at this point, trump is pretty used to people who worked for him who were friends with him turning on him and saying that he's a bad person. i mean, this is actually happening more often than not these days for donald trump so this is just one in a series of things that donald trump is being confronted by people who were once very close to him who kept a lot of his secrets who knew him, who may be idolized him at a certain point. now, up telling the world, not just the stuff that about stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, but just a mode of operating that suggests that trump is k
he was someone who when trump first one, the white house before all of this became a thing before ami sayyed, this non-prosecution agreement, which is probably why he isn't such a good mood sitting on the stand. >> david pecker came to the white house house. he was in the oval office. he got a tour of the leaky in the trump tower when he came down the escalator, which i had not realized that he was michael cohen said it's very important for you to be here you've been such a good friend....
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>> it is michael cohen was contacting this bank because he they'd been having this discussion about ami and david pecker is the firewood owned the national enquirer? >> yes. they've been having the discussion on them making the payment to stormy daniels and essentially david pecker or didn't want anything to do it. he did not want to be in cahoots with a porn star making this payment to her. and it came to this point where michael cohen was trying to reach trump. he was under pressure to do this and finally said, i'm just going to do it myself and drew down a home equity line that's why this exchange happening right now pharaoh received another email two days later, please return michael cohen's call when you are available today regarding an important merit, a matter pharaoh calls cohen who told him he wanted to open a new llc account. >> cohen said the account was for capital real estate. pharaoh says, let me bring in some other attorneys we have with us today to discuss criminal defense attorney bill brennan, trial attorney misty marris, and manhattan criminal defense attorney stacey
>> it is michael cohen was contacting this bank because he they'd been having this discussion about ami and david pecker is the firewood owned the national enquirer? >> yes. they've been having the discussion on them making the payment to stormy daniels and essentially david pecker or didn't want anything to do it. he did not want to be in cahoots with a porn star making this payment to her. and it came to this point where michael cohen was trying to reach trump. he was under...
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he has ami and michael cohen. and here again today as a witness, he really doesn't have much of a choice, but i also one of the reasons that trump was so contentious, their water reasons, but one of the reasons he was so contentious and struggled so much, particularly the white house press pool, because he was used to the david. of the world. he was used to people who would suppress stories that were difficult, amplify ones that were great, right? the were his friends and would carry water for him. he was used to that sort of celebrity journalism. and i think that is one of the many reasons that he was often so frustrated with the white house press pool that does not operate that way. >> and what do you think the prosecutor is doing is they're trying to establish how long have you known trump, what kind of relationship did you have with him? what is their intent? putting that out before getting to what did you hear trump say about suppressing negative stories? clearly he had he had a friendship. this was a trump a
he has ami and michael cohen. and here again today as a witness, he really doesn't have much of a choice, but i also one of the reasons that trump was so contentious, their water reasons, but one of the reasons he was so contentious and struggled so much, particularly the white house press pool, because he was used to the david. of the world. he was used to people who would suppress stories that were difficult, amplify ones that were great, right? the were his friends and would carry water for...
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what is significant about establishing that ami did this for there's people he negates the idea that it was done for election purposes. if they are catching and killing stories rather celebrities. >> but he was running for governor. >> but mark wahlberg wasn't. there are other people that pecker said they would do this. at the end of the day he was effective and i think there are lots of answers to this. he talked about how when they got closer the election for trump, that the concern that trump express was about the effect on his campaign but nevertheless establishing this was sop and normalizes it and seems like it is less related to the campaign itself which is important. but overall i think he was an excellent witness and he showed no bias towards trump. not only was he not deflecting responsibility for his own criminal conduct but he said he still considered the former president of friend. >> he didn't come off as he was holding thing back. >> if i were donald trump i would be so happy about what happened in washington today i would even care what happened in the courtroom today
what is significant about establishing that ami did this for there's people he negates the idea that it was done for election purposes. if they are catching and killing stories rather celebrities. >> but he was running for governor. >> but mark wahlberg wasn't. there are other people that pecker said they would do this. at the end of the day he was effective and i think there are lots of answers to this. he talked about how when they got closer the election for trump, that the...
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i mean, i think we heard justice amy coney barrett really, i think picking up on the dear of sediments back to the trial court, put in private acts on the prosecutorial side of the line. she even got trump's lawyer to concede. yeah. i see. let me interrupt. let me interrupt right there. just to play that soundbite so you can then explain it better to us if we could run sought 11 with justice amy coney barrett you concede the private acts, don't get immunity. >> we do. okay. and i want to know if you agree or disagree about the characterization of these acts is private petitioner turn to a private attorney was willing to spread knowingly false claims election fraud to spearhead is challenges to the election results. private as i want to jamming, we distribute the allegation, but sounds private it sounds private. petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the file blinken court of a verification signed by petitioner that contain false allegations to support a challenge. >> so sounds private. >> three private actors to attorneys, including those mentioned above and a po
i mean, i think we heard justice amy coney barrett really, i think picking up on the dear of sediments back to the trial court, put in private acts on the prosecutorial side of the line. she even got trump's lawyer to concede. yeah. i see. let me interrupt. let me interrupt right there. just to play that soundbite so you can then explain it better to us if we could run sought 11 with justice amy coney barrett you concede the private acts, don't get immunity. >> we do. okay. and i want to...
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handled the war between israel and hamas that number is 81% amongst those aged 18 to 34 apolitical amis has the advice that he season this for mr. biden there's a limit to what president biden can do. but what he can do is make clear and do it much more publicly than he has been his opposition to some of the policies of the israeli government, certainly in gaza and what he's doing on the humanitarian brand side to increase the relief that's going to those in gaza who don't have enough to eat, that would help it's not nearly enough and people always expect too much of a president. they do not have magic wands. they can't end wars overnight. they can't tame inflation overnight. but that goes well, the territory we expect them to do much more than they can sit in poll also registered voters for their preferences in a head-to-head match between mr. biden and republican presidential candidate donald trump and found trump leading by a margin of 6%. >> larry. >> sabato says he expects that to change before the election it is surprising certainly the democrats and i think certainly to the biden
handled the war between israel and hamas that number is 81% amongst those aged 18 to 34 apolitical amis has the advice that he season this for mr. biden there's a limit to what president biden can do. but what he can do is make clear and do it much more publicly than he has been his opposition to some of the policies of the israeli government, certainly in gaza and what he's doing on the humanitarian brand side to increase the relief that's going to those in gaza who don't have enough to eat,...
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. >> is that you a view the teaching institution and amy peach in institutions that the autopsies keeps their organs well, we we did not end june. >> you did not want that. we have not agreed with the prison for his body to be turned over for no study and we want those five months after kennedy juniors death, billie stapler made his own alarming discovery is just to say, as like a horror movie that i can't wake up from the private pathologist he hired to perform an autopsy on his father, arthur stapler was unable to perform it she said he had an empty cavity. >> there was nothing there. stabler says he held the power of attorney for his father and never authorized the removal or retention of the organs i just want him to be holy. good. stapler since he spoke with the same uab supervisor, eventually, his private pathologist receive what was said to be his father's brain and heart back, but some organs like his lungs, came back in pieces. >> the rest were gone. >> and i'm asking where's the rest of his organs? and he tells me that they're possibly got thrown away and i'm like, how do you
. >> is that you a view the teaching institution and amy peach in institutions that the autopsies keeps their organs well, we we did not end june. >> you did not want that. we have not agreed with the prison for his body to be turned over for no study and we want those five months after kennedy juniors death, billie stapler made his own alarming discovery is just to say, as like a horror movie that i can't wake up from the private pathologist he hired to perform an autopsy on his...