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with david pecker for this favorable treatment? >> i think in most campaigns you don't see that it may be the case that a newspaper or media outlet will endorse a particular candidate. but i don't think we've ever seen a situation where a particular candidate goes to the outlet and negotiates with them for favorable treatment of his campaign and unfavorable treatment of his opponents. so that's unusual and the way the prosecution has framed yet this is essentially a psap to the trump campaign as though it were a contribution in kight. and i think that's a theory of the case, whether or not the jurors by this as a contribution, i think is a different story, but that seems to be where the prosecution is taking that this is a coordinated effort. it is unusual and extraordinary and it essentially amounts to the kinds of influence peddling that we typically don't see between the media and a campaign. >> but the money is the core of it, isn't it? i mean, the fact that yeah. i mean, that's just to me the strongest ground that the prosecut
with david pecker for this favorable treatment? >> i think in most campaigns you don't see that it may be the case that a newspaper or media outlet will endorse a particular candidate. but i don't think we've ever seen a situation where a particular candidate goes to the outlet and negotiates with them for favorable treatment of his campaign and unfavorable treatment of his opponents. so that's unusual and the way the prosecution has framed yet this is essentially a psap to the trump...
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they're making the connection the david pecker and donald trump were friends david pecker, one point said, the defense attorneys are making the argument. yes. no, no, no, no. the prosecutor prosecutes because they wanted to say david pecker wouldn't be doing this to hurt donald trump. he liked it and he said at one point, i felt that donald trump was my mentor. he helped me throughout my career. i still consider them close even though we haven't spoken. i still consider him a friend. so trump's attorney or the defense attorney, emile bove, is asking you a series of questions since right now, if david pecker, the witness, about how prosecutors in fact prepared pecker to give, quote, consistent testimony. >> every time he's testified, david chatterley and some very interesting testimony not long ago this afternoon, we're david pecker recalled a phone conversation. he had with trump's white house team at the time according to mr. packer, hope hicks, and sarah huckabee sanders sara was the communications director or the press secretary, and hope x was a special assistant to the president
they're making the connection the david pecker and donald trump were friends david pecker, one point said, the defense attorneys are making the argument. yes. no, no, no, no. the prosecutor prosecutes because they wanted to say david pecker wouldn't be doing this to hurt donald trump. he liked it and he said at one point, i felt that donald trump was my mentor. he helped me throughout my career. i still consider them close even though we haven't spoken. i still consider him a friend. so trump's...
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and david pecker is testimony. i think it will come out later on thursday, but the idea that donald trump had to gross up michael cohen in order to make him whole for the payments because he is actually bursting him for what was being classified as payments for legal services, even though there had been no legal services rendered. so that's the given multi here. and i think what the prosecution is trying to show and there's a lot of discussion of donald trump's hands and all of this is that he's very much a micro manager. he is taking really close looks at what the money is, where the money is going to whom it is going and this is just david pecker and michael cohen doing his bidding, but he is the mastermind, essentially the puppet master, and they are simply the puppets jeff, the prosecutor questioning david pecker, noted today in court that the one in the election statutes, the case is based on does have a conspiracy provision. >> what does that say to you about the way that the prosecution is trying to frame we
and david pecker is testimony. i think it will come out later on thursday, but the idea that donald trump had to gross up michael cohen in order to make him whole for the payments because he is actually bursting him for what was being classified as payments for legal services, even though there had been no legal services rendered. so that's the given multi here. and i think what the prosecution is trying to show and there's a lot of discussion of donald trump's hands and all of this is that...
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let's talk about the role of david pecker. his credibility, once it's evaluated by the jurors -- he was the first witness and the feature witness of the trial so far -- is to take some of the burden to of michael cohen, who is obviously -- has damage connected to him being convicted and having admitted to perjury in the past and served time for that. >> right. that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was donald trump's pick not prosecutor's pick. we are seeing this process that defense lawyer goes through in cross-examination. as vaughn said, they can't argue the evidence when they are cross-examining the witness. they are collecting coins that they hope will turn out to be valuable in closing argument when they can go back and argue to the jury. you can't really believe these people, they are not credible. >> the other thing, catherine, is this gag order hearing. judge merchan set it for next thursday. that's another week before dealing with the
let's talk about the role of david pecker. his credibility, once it's evaluated by the jurors -- he was the first witness and the feature witness of the trial so far -- is to take some of the burden to of michael cohen, who is obviously -- has damage connected to him being convicted and having admitted to perjury in the past and served time for that. >> right. that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was...
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so, david pecker testified. he consulted with an election attorney, a special attorney who does election law. and then he ran the karen mcdougal agreement by his own company's general counsel, their top lawyer. now, both of those are privileged conversations between attorney and client so david pecker didn't go into details. but, a prosecutor asked him based on that conversation, did you come to the decision you no longer wanted to be reimbursed for the money that ami had laid out to acquire karen mcdougal's lifetime rate ? david pecker responded, "yes, that is correct." "i called michael cohen, i said the agreement, the assignment deal is off. i'm not going forward. it is a bad idea. i want you to rip up the agreement. " in other words, david pecker had a brush with this in the past, campaign finance law and how it is located in a catch and kill scheme for a candidate, thought about them doing the same thing here, had a talk with his lawyer, decided receiving the money for the express purpose of paying off trum
so, david pecker testified. he consulted with an election attorney, a special attorney who does election law. and then he ran the karen mcdougal agreement by his own company's general counsel, their top lawyer. now, both of those are privileged conversations between attorney and client so david pecker didn't go into details. but, a prosecutor asked him based on that conversation, did you come to the decision you no longer wanted to be reimbursed for the money that ami had laid out to acquire...
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trump and david pecker the ceo of the national enquirer's, an individual named david pecker well, david, his good friends with donald trump. >> they have a friendship that goes back for many years. in fact, the national enquirer has endorsed donald trump, has said he must be president i had nothing to do with the national enquirer story. and frankly, i hope it's not true because it's pretty bad so ted cruz got one thing wrong in the extended version of those comments, which was he implied it was roger stone who is acting as the emissary with david pecker and donald trump, obviously as we now know, and we'll hear from him on the witness stand. >> it was my phil cohen who is doing all of this. >> but what ted cruz got closer to than really anyone did at that time was that relationship between the two of them and it then it was not a known entity, a known quantity like it is now, like we saw the details coming out and you saw donald trump also doing other interviews about the claim that ted cruz is father was fault with lee harvey oswald trump would go on tv and say, well, the national enq
trump and david pecker the ceo of the national enquirer's, an individual named david pecker well, david, his good friends with donald trump. >> they have a friendship that goes back for many years. in fact, the national enquirer has endorsed donald trump, has said he must be president i had nothing to do with the national enquirer story. and frankly, i hope it's not true because it's pretty bad so ted cruz got one thing wrong in the extended version of those comments, which was he implied...
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so phil, david pecker back on the stand right now. being questioned about michael cohen, as we said, after a major clash over donald trump's gag order. how is this all sitting with the trump campaign? how does this affect their ability to raise money? they're behind on the money raising, and to get him out on the trail? >> well, andrea, the campaign is in that courtroom for donald trump, and you know, one of the arguments that his defense attorneys made in court this morning is that he's not violating this gag order according to them when he comments on the trial on social media, but that's rather part of his campaign that when he makes comments about this case, about the judge, about jurors, et cetera, that's part of his campaign activity in the 2024 race. and so obviously, trump is going to be there in court for the next several weeks. that's where the campaign for him is taking place. and he seems to be leaning into this strategy of portraying himself as unfairly persecuted as a way to raise more money from his supporters and grow
so phil, david pecker back on the stand right now. being questioned about michael cohen, as we said, after a major clash over donald trump's gag order. how is this all sitting with the trump campaign? how does this affect their ability to raise money? they're behind on the money raising, and to get him out on the trail? >> well, andrea, the campaign is in that courtroom for donald trump, and you know, one of the arguments that his defense attorneys made in court this morning is that he's...
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that's why david pecker, zero to sort of bolster him up. but that doesn't give donald trump the right to do what he is doing with that gag order, fight it out in the courtroom. let your tuner attorneys do their job, miss the were you surprised, judge merchan hasn't rendered an immediate decision on the gag order violations. yeah. >> i wasn't surprised because he's got to go through each individual instance, the prosecution is alleging and make a determination about whether or not that violates at an also think about what's the penalty going to be to send a message but not go too far. so i think we're having decision was what i would've expected. >> all right. misty marris, jeremy saland. thank you. so both you pecker described the tactics of quote, checkbook journalism and catch and kill. just how often that's used and why it's so specific to this case, that's next what is it about the titanic? >> why are we so obsessed with this ship every piece of evidence tells a story 50 years later? it's still leading people to her death. >> this speci
that's why david pecker, zero to sort of bolster him up. but that doesn't give donald trump the right to do what he is doing with that gag order, fight it out in the courtroom. let your tuner attorneys do their job, miss the were you surprised, judge merchan hasn't rendered an immediate decision on the gag order violations. yeah. >> i wasn't surprised because he's got to go through each individual instance, the prosecution is alleging and make a determination about whether or not that...
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and that story is david pecker were telling. we're not stories about a likable person. >> how does david pecker come off on the stand to the jury? do you think i mean, what does he is draining? usually cheerful and chipper through this process. >> like laughs, sometimes very loudly, which good for him, like he's not the one on trial. >> but it is his longtime friend. >> they've been friends for decades. he he concedes very cheerfully, again that trump was very good for his business. >> he he admitted i needed trump to sell magazines. >> and that's part of why he made this deal with trump during the 2016 campaign. >> i keep obsessing of what must be going through down from his mind, sitting there behind this defense desk watching his former sort of friend, who is a keeper of probably a lot more secrets about him then he has lead on what must be going through don trump's mind. i mean, nothing is is when donald trump became president, i mean, this was someone who had a lot of dirt on donald trump and knew a lot about him and had a
and that story is david pecker were telling. we're not stories about a likable person. >> how does david pecker come off on the stand to the jury? do you think i mean, what does he is draining? usually cheerful and chipper through this process. >> like laughs, sometimes very loudly, which good for him, like he's not the one on trial. >> but it is his longtime friend. >> they've been friends for decades. he he concedes very cheerfully, again that trump was very good for...
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pecker helped more. >> david pecker definitely helped the prosecution out because they laid out david pecker hur laid out the foundation. he gave us the background information, and he also changed the narrative. this is not just hush money case. we're talking about the purpose of this money. of killing di stories. what's that help this campaign? and you're hearing it from someone that i think was relatable to this jury. i think the jury's going to find him credible, find, and believable. so mendel, he was engaging in these catching kill schemes and when we go into a supermarket used to see the national enquirer be like, oh, my god. and now we know how that gets to be the front page of the paper. you got the information that this is exactly how it worked out when it came to donald trump and when it came to michael cohen. and this is something that i think the jury in plain terms, are able to digest and they don't know how to apply this information. but shortly after closing arguments and though extra read back to get more of his testimony, read back, there'll be able to put it all toge
pecker helped more. >> david pecker definitely helped the prosecution out because they laid out david pecker hur laid out the foundation. he gave us the background information, and he also changed the narrative. this is not just hush money case. we're talking about the purpose of this money. of killing di stories. what's that help this campaign? and you're hearing it from someone that i think was relatable to this jury. i think the jury's going to find him credible, find, and believable....
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but david pecker walks in and he says that donald trump tells a joke, hey, this is david pecker. he's the chairman of the national enquirer, and he probably knows more than all of you in here. what got the laugh was then pecker said the other gentlemen, other and they didn't find it funny that nobody but trump's, but trump from smiled and the jurors and the court, those are in the court and the courtroom, how to laugh as well. so it was a funny moment. it was really the only time today that donald trump actually reacted to the testimony. i think we've seen throughout pecker's testimony, he really has tried not to react. >> he has been very controlled if he's not allegedly nodding off. >> yes. >> that's what that's what here. but i'll also say what came out today, which was important is not just that this was done allegedly for other people, but that there was a relationship with the enquirer, david pecker is about far back as 1990 h's. we'll call it fixing these stories far before for donald trump was the political icon. so there's, there's a history here. but to be clear, just b
but david pecker walks in and he says that donald trump tells a joke, hey, this is david pecker. he's the chairman of the national enquirer, and he probably knows more than all of you in here. what got the laugh was then pecker said the other gentlemen, other and they didn't find it funny that nobody but trump's, but trump from smiled and the jurors and the court, those are in the court and the courtroom, how to laugh as well. so it was a funny moment. it was really the only time today that...
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so the last question asked of david pecker today was, does he believe trump does david pecker believes that donald trump cares about his family, right? there have been a lot of questions about why trump would do these things. was it to protect his family or as pecker said? was it for the campaign, but the last question, does trump care about his family? pecker replies, quote, of of course i do think that cares about his family. that surprised you very much so because trump thinks about trump and his family clearly throughout all this is almost been window the dressing just so it makes him look like he's a family guy, but his focus is always been what's best for me. >> that's why he picks the pupil who works with and that's why he's been doing when he just doing with the power play. so the family for politician, obviously it's unnecessary optic to have but his feeling towards them. no, they're just tools for him to advance his own cause and that moment surprised you mean bernardo at the end of the testimony of david pecker and i guess it's in a sense, it's hard to put it together hi the
so the last question asked of david pecker today was, does he believe trump does david pecker believes that donald trump cares about his family, right? there have been a lot of questions about why trump would do these things. was it to protect his family or as pecker said? was it for the campaign, but the last question, does trump care about his family? pecker replies, quote, of of course i do think that cares about his family. that surprised you very much so because trump thinks about trump...
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. >> david pecker. the first witness in the new york case. >> all right, good morning, everybody. welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, april 24th. along with willie and me we have a member of the "the new york times" editorial board maya and sam stein. our top story has to do with pecker. >> i think you're enjoying saying his name. testimony in donald trump's hush money criminal trial is scheduled to resume tomorrow after several key developments in court yesterday. first, the judge held a hearing at the start of tuesday's proceedings on whether the former president had violated his gag order. prosecutors have asked the judge to fine him $1,000 for each violation. trump's attorney said he hasn't violated the order. he was, quote, being careful about complying with the order. but the judge expressed extreme frustration with that argument, telling his attorney saying, quote, losing all credibility with the court. any violation of the gag order in articles he repost to social media is unintentional. >
. >> david pecker. the first witness in the new york case. >> all right, good morning, everybody. welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, april 24th. along with willie and me we have a member of the "the new york times" editorial board maya and sam stein. our top story has to do with pecker. >> i think you're enjoying saying his name. testimony in donald trump's hush money criminal trial is scheduled to resume tomorrow after several key developments in...
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we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in in this dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more for up tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 20 when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen, and david pecker about being eyes and the ears of a campaign and how they were going to find the stories that were negative about trump are salacious about trump, bury them and promote stories that were positive ahead of that campaign. they went into detail about that trump tower doorman who had a story about a woman who claimed that she fathered a child or he fathered a child of her and then before court wrapped up and david pecker was done for the day they got into the details of but another playboy playmate, karen mcdougal, who of course alleged affair a wi
we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in in this dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more for up tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 20 when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen, and david pecker about being...
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to a friend after david pecker's testimony, as somebody who knows david pecker and donald trump. i said, it's interesting. david pecker just blew this case wide open against donald trump. yet, nothing on truth social. my friend started laughing and said, "you will never hear donald trump say anything bad about david pecker." then suggested that, you know, he knows a lot more about donald trump than donald trump would want people to know. listen to this. again, after this guy just blew open the case against him -- >> became the key witness. >> -- they asked him about david pecker. trump, "david has been very nice, very nice. he's a nice guy." rev, any theories? >> well, the theory is -- >> don't wander too far out there. >> -- whoever your friend is i think is correct. when donald trump says david has been nice, when david got on the stand and just about nailed his legal coffin in terms of this trial, it is because he knows he's been nice not to tell all the other things he may know about donald trump. >> yeah. >> if you have a guy that knows 100 things and he only testifies to te
to a friend after david pecker's testimony, as somebody who knows david pecker and donald trump. i said, it's interesting. david pecker just blew this case wide open against donald trump. yet, nothing on truth social. my friend started laughing and said, "you will never hear donald trump say anything bad about david pecker." then suggested that, you know, he knows a lot more about donald trump than donald trump would want people to know. listen to this. again, after this guy just blew...
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it just is not david pecker's to tell. he testified that he didn't have direct involvement in the purchase or negotiation of the stormy daniels settlement. to the extent "the enquirer" did at all, it was behind his pack. dylan howard, the chief content officer, got involved in it, even though pecker said an affiliation with a porn star will offend our largest distributor, walmart, and we don't want to get into that. but howard kept getting involved. >> from the white house, donald trump would check in on, quote, our girl, talking about karen mcdougal, and pecker would say, "she's quiet. she's fine," end quote. barbara mcquade, we've entered cross-examination. it began yesterday and will resume later today from trump's legal team. what kind of witness was david pecker for the prosecution? a good way to start? >> oh, i think he was a terrific way to start. you know, he is somebody who is -- has a story to tell. he can establish the timeline. he could begin at the beginning, in august of 2015 when this conspiracy began. and i
it just is not david pecker's to tell. he testified that he didn't have direct involvement in the purchase or negotiation of the stormy daniels settlement. to the extent "the enquirer" did at all, it was behind his pack. dylan howard, the chief content officer, got involved in it, even though pecker said an affiliation with a porn star will offend our largest distributor, walmart, and we don't want to get into that. but howard kept getting involved. >> from the white house,...
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for it, but i think it was both for david pecker. i think he was an associate and business person for with donald trump for a very long period of time and then came this crucial critical meeting in 2015, where they formulated this conspiracy to illegally or unlawfully allegedly us what the prosecution is going to say interfere with the election and it was all about the election at that point. and we know because one of the things he said was with the doorman that was not that we were not able to confirm that story. in fact, we debunked it, but had it been real, we would have released it after the election. it was very clear that what they were doing was about the election. and at that point when you're paying, wasn't to protect melania trump. it was about the right if it was then he wouldn't have released it after the election. he was doing these caching kills fine. but when it was about the election, those aren't when you're paying people. it's an in-kind donations and you have to declare that at a dangerous point there and asked hi
for it, but i think it was both for david pecker. i think he was an associate and business person for with donald trump for a very long period of time and then came this crucial critical meeting in 2015, where they formulated this conspiracy to illegally or unlawfully allegedly us what the prosecution is going to say interfere with the election and it was all about the election at that point. and we know because one of the things he said was with the doorman that was not that we were not able...
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this is conspiracy between david pecker, donald trump, and michael cohen. and that they all got together conspiracy requires two or more people to get together, have an agreement and the agreement is to do something unlawful. and what they're saying is what they were doing that was unlawful, was they were unlawfully trying to influence the election. so this is all part of the scheme. the criminal scheme, and they have set up that there was a meeting where this was explicitly discussed, right. so even though this was a matter of as you're saying, this is how things were done, that there was a meeting that they said, look, we're i'm running for president and this is what we're going to do. that's what the prosecution says happened. so pecker is not done yet. he comes back to the stand when trial resumes. so how do you think he will do under cross-examination without will be really any interesting test because he comes across as we've seen, very smooth and savvy. and let me just tell you what the facts are. he's never responded to the threats being attacked. t
this is conspiracy between david pecker, donald trump, and michael cohen. and that they all got together conspiracy requires two or more people to get together, have an agreement and the agreement is to do something unlawful. and what they're saying is what they were doing that was unlawful, was they were unlawfully trying to influence the election. so this is all part of the scheme. the criminal scheme, and they have set up that there was a meeting where this was explicitly discussed, right....
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then prosecutors calling the first witness, david pecker, to the stand. the former publisher of the national inquirer, who was part of a scheme prosecutors say called catch and kill. abc's senior investigative correspondent aaron katersky leading us off from the courthouse again tonight. >> reporter: donald trump walking into the manhattan courtroom where today for the first time in history a jury heard testimony in a criminal case against a former american president. >> it's a very, very sad day in america. i can tell you that. >> reporter: with trump slouching in his seat and sometimes closing his eyes, prosecutor matthew colangelo began his opening statement charging trump "orchestrated a criminal scheme to corrupt the 2016 presidential election." taking notes, as the prosecutor laid out his case, accusing trump of falsifying business records to disguise a $130,000 hush payment to porn star stormy daniels days before the election, so voters wouldn't find out about her claim of an affair. at the time, trump was under pressure. news had just broken of th
then prosecutors calling the first witness, david pecker, to the stand. the former publisher of the national inquirer, who was part of a scheme prosecutors say called catch and kill. abc's senior investigative correspondent aaron katersky leading us off from the courthouse again tonight. >> reporter: donald trump walking into the manhattan courtroom where today for the first time in history a jury heard testimony in a criminal case against a former american president. >> it's a...
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david pecker paid for it. thinking that he was going to be reimbursed by donald trump and that did not happen standby for one second. keith davidson, the attorney for stormy daniels, and karen mcdougal is testifying his understanding from howard from dylan howard, the editor of the national enquirer at that point, was that michael cohen trump's attorney would resurrect the deal and that davidson should try to get as much as he could up to $150,000. so 150 grand is a precedent set by karen mcdougal. and that davidson is saying that dylan howard, who who works with national enquirer, says, you should try to get as much as you can up to $150,000. dylan as sort of a peacemaker, brought me back into the fold. keith davidson explains, but then cohen says he wasn't paying. it's just one more snafu so i think one of the things that's going on here, paula, and please correct me whatever errors i've made is the deal has gone through with karen mcdougal. she's being paid $150,000 by american media incorporated. they thin
david pecker paid for it. thinking that he was going to be reimbursed by donald trump and that did not happen standby for one second. keith davidson, the attorney for stormy daniels, and karen mcdougal is testifying his understanding from howard from dylan howard, the editor of the national enquirer at that point, was that michael cohen trump's attorney would resurrect the deal and that davidson should try to get as much as he could up to $150,000. so 150 grand is a precedent set by karen...
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that's where david pecker comes in. david pecker is critical to the establishment of the conspiracy to promote trump's election through unlawful means where at least one act was taken in the direction of those unlawful means. david pecker was there for the formation of the conspiracy. david pecker helped execute the conspiracy. david pecker's payment to karen mcdougal, which he understood would pose campaign finance law problems, was that unlawful means. through david pecker, prosecutors have got an lot of what they needed to establish that this was felonious and not just your everyday garden variety misdemeanor. >> tried to pull back. does the testimony seem to add value to what the d.c. was trying to prove? did we expect pecker to be as strong as he was, or were we looking for that in other witnesses yet to come? >> pecker had a lot of information that we didn't quite know that he would have. namely, he put himself at multiple conversations either with donald trump and michael cohen or with donald trump alone that hel
that's where david pecker comes in. david pecker is critical to the establishment of the conspiracy to promote trump's election through unlawful means where at least one act was taken in the direction of those unlawful means. david pecker was there for the formation of the conspiracy. david pecker helped execute the conspiracy. david pecker's payment to karen mcdougal, which he understood would pose campaign finance law problems, was that unlawful means. through david pecker, prosecutors have...
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witness, david pecker, largely stood his ground despite trump's legal team attempting to undermine his testimony by claiming the deals to bury stories like karen mcdougal and stormy daniels were standard operating procedure. the second witness, donald trump's former executive assistant, monograph, provided testimony that she entered karen mcdougal's and stormy daniels contact information to the trump organization database. third, we had gary ferro, former manager at first republic bank, which prosecutors say michael: used to obtain a $130,000 home equity loan which michael cohen later funneled to stormy daniels through a shell company. friday, he authenticated bank records which prosecutors showed to jurors. that testimony will continue in trial resumes tuesday morning. prosecutors are using his testimony to authenticate documents related to the transaction. that testimony continues when the trial resumes tuesday morning. judge merchan announced a gag order hearing will take place thursday, to hear new arguments about all of the alleged violations that donald trump has committed this w
witness, david pecker, largely stood his ground despite trump's legal team attempting to undermine his testimony by claiming the deals to bury stories like karen mcdougal and stormy daniels were standard operating procedure. the second witness, donald trump's former executive assistant, monograph, provided testimony that she entered karen mcdougal's and stormy daniels contact information to the trump organization database. third, we had gary ferro, former manager at first republic bank, which...
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david-pecker, i would describe mr. trump is very knowledgeable. i would describe him as a very detail-oriented, i would describe him as an almost, as a micromanager from what i saw, that he looked at every all of the aspects of whatever the issue was. neal katyal , andrew weissman, adam klasfeld, back with us. he's not a micromanager. he doesn't know who is putting what memos on what checks. >> yes, this is the standard defense when you have a leader on trial into the mechanics of the crime, it is a defense in an organized crime case, i was not on the scene, it's the defense, saying i don't know what the paperwork was, it is a standard argument that is made. of course it doesn't help that this is a small family business. we are not talking about enron, or an organized crime family, although there are some analogies that could be made. it's small. he couldn't possibly know will be a tough one given how small the group is, but testimony from a long-time friend who is saying positive things about him, that he is micromanager, is to get evidence for y
david-pecker, i would describe mr. trump is very knowledgeable. i would describe him as a very detail-oriented, i would describe him as an almost, as a micromanager from what i saw, that he looked at every all of the aspects of whatever the issue was. neal katyal , andrew weissman, adam klasfeld, back with us. he's not a micromanager. he doesn't know who is putting what memos on what checks. >> yes, this is the standard defense when you have a leader on trial into the mechanics of the...
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we know one of the witnesses is david pecker. do you expect that opening statements get finished today or just technically what are we looking for in terms of getting accomplished today in court? >> mika, a lot of the judicial housekeeping you would expect to be taken care of has all been brushed off judge merchan's plate. he decided, we have a jury. that's all been set. i expect very soon after 9:30 this morning, we will get to opening statements and while neither of the parties has outlined exactly how long they will take, as danny knows better than anyone, an opening statement is an opportunity to preview your case for the jury, and while you want to do that in a way that gives them an overview, you also don't want to exhaust them. i expect that neither side will take more than roughly 60 to 70 minutes, and that means that we will have time to get to the first witness who as you noted, is expected to be former chairman of american media and "the national enquirer," david pecker. >> lisa, where are we on jurors these days? two
we know one of the witnesses is david pecker. do you expect that opening statements get finished today or just technically what are we looking for in terms of getting accomplished today in court? >> mika, a lot of the judicial housekeeping you would expect to be taken care of has all been brushed off judge merchan's plate. he decided, we have a jury. that's all been set. i expect very soon after 9:30 this morning, we will get to opening statements and while neither of the parties has...
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she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david pecker had an election attorney look at this. this deal was going on. >> i think right before the 2016 election as well. yeah. well, it the implication would be that there was no actual election law violation as a result of these types of deals. right. so he has a lawyer ticket over. apparently the lawyer blessed it. right. and the deal with stormy daniels is strictly shuffle actually very, very similar, right? so that's sort of the implication. i don't think it actually is that potent of an observation. i don't i doubt we're going to hear from that lawyer in the course of this trial, which would be necessary to actually make that useful. >> let's let's go to our attorneys outside the room right now. i'll start with bill brennan. what's your what's your big takeaway from today if anything or if you want to look at the week in general, if if any gloves were laid on mr. trump or not? >> jake, i really don't think so. i heard on kush layout a scenario and certainly he could be correct with regard to actions taken in furtherance of a
she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david pecker had an election attorney look at this. this deal was going on. >> i think right before the 2016 election as well. yeah. well, it the implication would be that there was no actual election law violation as a result of these types of deals. right. so he has a lawyer ticket over. apparently the lawyer blessed it. right. and the deal with stormy daniels is strictly shuffle actually very, very similar, right? so that's sort of the...
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david pecker is no saint. the former "national enquirer" testified at donald trump's trial that he willingly used his tab tabloid empire to help the campaign chute colluding the outright manufacturing of fake muse. and while he tied trump and his hen-fixer michael cohen to these unsavory claims, pecker was eager to play along. cohen would ask for a negative piece on an opponent, and the inquirer would embellish it. look at this, a totally bogus story. and this ludicrous piece tying cruz's father to lee harvey oswald and the jfk assassination tone by photo manipulation. most of the media a praised pecker's performance while others trashed t. a. alvin bragg's -- d.a. alvin bragg's case. >> trump's relationship with the "national enquirer" was even sleazier than it looked in 2016. >> david pecker was not a significant witness for the prosecution. and i'll tell you why. because there is no crime. >> david pecker is very composed, a credible witness. he was being specific in his testimony. >> so it was the star wit
david pecker is no saint. the former "national enquirer" testified at donald trump's trial that he willingly used his tab tabloid empire to help the campaign chute colluding the outright manufacturing of fake muse. and while he tied trump and his hen-fixer michael cohen to these unsavory claims, pecker was eager to play along. cohen would ask for a negative piece on an opponent, and the inquirer would embellish it. look at this, a totally bogus story. and this ludicrous piece tying...
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david pecker, you had a relationship beforehand. you're testifying under penalty of running a foul with the agreement you had with the federal government and state prosecutors. is there a reason here. but they always used those kid gloves if you will on david pecker. but they're in a tight spot because it's really the attacking agenda, attacking the credibility, but that's down the road. haven't done that yet. >> can they try to convince the jury that what this is based on is just something silly? it's a hush money payment to a porn star. the significance of it just matter as much. this is of all the things donald trump faces, this is the dumbest. which some have argued out there. >> if you're going for the jury nullification angle, you're in a little bit of trouble out of the gate. this is going to be pretty boring and mundane and run of the mill because it's just a business records case. if that's the route, which why are you selectively prosecuting me? maybe more so on a motion to dismiss, but there's more of a nullification issu
david pecker, you had a relationship beforehand. you're testifying under penalty of running a foul with the agreement you had with the federal government and state prosecutors. is there a reason here. but they always used those kid gloves if you will on david pecker. but they're in a tight spot because it's really the attacking agenda, attacking the credibility, but that's down the road. haven't done that yet. >> can they try to convince the jury that what this is based on is just...
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david pecker, the former publisher of "the national enquirer," who prosecutors say was part of a scheme called catch-and-kill, buying unflattering stories about trump and making sure they were never published before the election. aaron katersky outside the courthouse. >>> the near disaster at jfk airport. authorities say air traffic control clearing four planes to cross in front of a passenger jet as it was about to take off. the pilot aborting takeoff. you'll hear calls to the tower. >>> tonight, in new york city, columbia university increasing security. pro-palestinian demonstrators rallying against the israel-hamas war. the school switching to remote classes. and tonight, protests spreading to campuses across the u.s. >>> in los angeles, the break-in at the home of the mayor, karen bass. authorities say the mayor was home when the intruder broke in and got to the second floor. they say the mayor was hiding in a safe room. >>> tonight, ukraine's president zelenskyy thanking the u.s. and thanking house speaker mike johnson, after the house passed, democrats and republicans, a massive a
david pecker, the former publisher of "the national enquirer," who prosecutors say was part of a scheme called catch-and-kill, buying unflattering stories about trump and making sure they were never published before the election. aaron katersky outside the courthouse. >>> the near disaster at jfk airport. authorities say air traffic control clearing four planes to cross in front of a passenger jet as it was about to take off. the pilot aborting takeoff. you'll hear calls to...
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witnesses that come in and add context to each part of the framework that david pecker laid out. now, with this witness, you have someone who is providing more context to the actual payments that were made and how it was negotiated. that's setting up the testimony of michael cohen. it's setting up michael cohen's testimony to involve donald trump. to your point, at this point, we haven't necessarily heard a ton of testimony since david pecker that's linked donald trump to any of this. you need to set that up. michael con cohen is the linchpin do that. you made the point that this is not necessarily about seedy details. in some parts it is. you have to keep the jury engaged. this is a trial that's not necessarily the most exciting thing in the world. you don't want to lose your jury. on a certain level, some of the details, they do matter. >> we have on screen what our nbc reporters are seeing in court. trump occasionally looks around and closes his eyes again. it appears he is going in and out of sleep. according to the reporters who are inside the room watching. i'm not clear if
witnesses that come in and add context to each part of the framework that david pecker laid out. now, with this witness, you have someone who is providing more context to the actual payments that were made and how it was negotiated. that's setting up the testimony of michael cohen. it's setting up michael cohen's testimony to involve donald trump. to your point, at this point, we haven't necessarily heard a ton of testimony since david pecker that's linked donald trump to any of this. you need...
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david pecker said we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrass or hurt the campaign. today judge juan merchan ruled in donald trump's favor to exclude some evidence from the jury including text messages between dylan howard, the editor-in-chief of the national enquirer at the time, and a close relative stating at least if trump wins, i will be pardoned for electoral fraud. joining now is adam klotz feld, in the courtroom today and in that courtroom every day for us at the trump trial. he is a fellow at justice security. i paid next to no attention to this trial today with the supreme court and the transcript. what did i miss? >> well, what you missed was david pecker steadily chipping away at trump's defenses. i will give you one example. there was a moment where pecker was asked point blank did he think that trump was concerned about the campaign or his family? and pecker said the campaign. and as to elaborate on that, because as to his personal opinion why did he think that, trump never spoke about ivanka, ever spoke about me
david pecker said we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrass or hurt the campaign. today judge juan merchan ruled in donald trump's favor to exclude some evidence from the jury including text messages between dylan howard, the editor-in-chief of the national enquirer at the time, and a close relative stating at least if trump wins, i will be pardoned for electoral fraud. joining now is adam klotz feld, in the courtroom today and in that courtroom every day for us at the trump...
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david, pecker showed trump no hostility, in fact, even though it has been five years since pecker said he last saw trump, he still considers him to be a friend. cross examination is just getting started, whit, so, david becker returns here to the witness stand tomorrow. whit? >> whit: aaron, thank you. >>> next tonight, the stunning reversal in the sexual assault convict of harvey weinstein, the case that galvanized the me too movement. a new york appeals court throwing out his 2020 rape convection, saying he didn't get a fair trial, because the judge made egregious errors. here's abc's eva pilgrim. >> reporter: it was the case that parked the me too movement. but tonight, a shocking reversal. harvey weinstein's rape conviction in new york overturned by the state's highest court. new york's court of appeals handing down the 4-3 decision, citing "egregious errors" by the judge overseeing the trial back in 2020, saying, "the trial court erroneously admitted testimony of uncharged, alleged prior sexual acts against persons other than the complainants of the underlying crimes." adding that
david, pecker showed trump no hostility, in fact, even though it has been five years since pecker said he last saw trump, he still considers him to be a friend. cross examination is just getting started, whit, so, david becker returns here to the witness stand tomorrow. whit? >> whit: aaron, thank you. >>> next tonight, the stunning reversal in the sexual assault convict of harvey weinstein, the case that galvanized the me too movement. a new york appeals court throwing out his...
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i study the david pecker's all day and that's when you say david pecker. i just start laughing. it's insane that that is a real character. so my question is, is somebody that has unique for living i'm looking at people in your polling their mannerisms. >> yes. >> as i'm talking to you, i'm like, what is he what does he yeah. right. but like what how do you make a good impression because you're you're so well-known for this when you didn't mitch mcconnell last night? well, there was a very majors glasses with me everywhere i go. i just something about the rifting mcconnell face really really shy. it's my viewing audience in the way he just starts talk so, yeah, really got the crowd. but you're able to really drill down into little thing. i try. we'll people i try and i was really focused on the jokes yesterday as well and looking at topical and things that were happening in the news to include it. but it's definitely kind of a weird study of people. i'm a big fan of movies and pop culture and politics and i just absorb it and try to sound like these people and it's also an extra
i study the david pecker's all day and that's when you say david pecker. i just start laughing. it's insane that that is a real character. so my question is, is somebody that has unique for living i'm looking at people in your polling their mannerisms. >> yes. >> as i'm talking to you, i'm like, what is he what does he yeah. right. but like what how do you make a good impression because you're you're so well-known for this when you didn't mitch mcconnell last night? well, there was...
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in 2016, that they had an agreement where david pecker would do the catch and kill for stories with donald trump, stories that would never appear, ones we heard a lot about, but also that he was somehow involved in stories that involved marco rubio, ted cruz, ben carner, hillary clinton. i don't quite know where that list ends, but i think we're going to hear a lot more about that relation sp. these guys have known each other for years. they both have very large estates down in palm beach and seem to go back a long time in terms of trading information that went right into the national enquirer and donald trump would help them out on stories. they had a very mutually beneficial relationship for years, and i think that the jury is going to hear a lot about that. >> why is that not a story of biased press and instead it's a story prosecutors say was effectively an illegal conspiracy, a conspiracy to influence the election? how does money make it a different thing than just a story about a tabloid? >> right. because you hear a lot about the national enquirer buying stories. and we hear
in 2016, that they had an agreement where david pecker would do the catch and kill for stories with donald trump, stories that would never appear, ones we heard a lot about, but also that he was somehow involved in stories that involved marco rubio, ted cruz, ben carner, hillary clinton. i don't quite know where that list ends, but i think we're going to hear a lot more about that relation sp. these guys have known each other for years. they both have very large estates down in palm beach and...
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trump has not criticized david pecker at all. i want to ask you before you go, because yesterday we saw i made a major court ruling completely separate from the trump case also on a subject that you've broken a lot of stories about and you think it could ultimately manner for trump the new york court of appeals overturned harvey weinstein's 2020 eviction for sex crimes basically, the court said that the lower court made a mistake by allowing women to testify about allegations of sexual assault that we're separate from the three for which he was actually charged in that case, you are at the forefront of investigating, reporting a multitude of allegations against weinstein. you say this ruling could come back to haunt trump's judge juan merchan in trump's trial, explain well, it illuminates a shared legal issue that is at the heart of both of these cases of course, for activists and for survivors of harvey weinstein's alleged crimes it's an anguished moment, to hear that one of his conviction was overturned on essentially a questio
trump has not criticized david pecker at all. i want to ask you before you go, because yesterday we saw i made a major court ruling completely separate from the trump case also on a subject that you've broken a lot of stories about and you think it could ultimately manner for trump the new york court of appeals overturned harvey weinstein's 2020 eviction for sex crimes basically, the court said that the lower court made a mistake by allowing women to testify about allegations of sexual assault...
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trump denies that affair, too, but former "national enquirer" public er publisher, david pecker, has testified that at trump's direction, his tabloid bought mcdougal's story but never ran it to protect trump's campaign. and after the election, pecker told the jury trump thanked him. on cross examination, trump's lawyer, susan necheles, suggested stormy daniels visited trump tower because she was being considered for a role on the apprentice. graff said there was office chatter about that, adding "i vaguely recall hearing trump say that daniels may be one of the interesting people who could be on the show." but no ambiguity on one point, when trump's lawyer asked graff if she wanted to be there in court, her one word answer, "no." and as she left the stand, donald trump rose up out of his chair to greet her, whispering some words and extending his hand. >> reporter: the first week of testimony ended with a banter of testimony. the jury heard the granular details about the shell company, michael cohen used to pay stormy daniels her hush money. remember, prosecutors have to prove that w
trump denies that affair, too, but former "national enquirer" public er publisher, david pecker, has testified that at trump's direction, his tabloid bought mcdougal's story but never ran it to protect trump's campaign. and after the election, pecker told the jury trump thanked him. on cross examination, trump's lawyer, susan necheles, suggested stormy daniels visited trump tower because she was being considered for a role on the apprentice. graff said there was office chatter about...
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pecker. >> david has been very nice, nice guy. >> reporter: over four days pecker revealed the art of catch and kill buying and burying stories to protect trump's campaign. the story saw "the national enquirer's" agreement to pay "playboy" model karen mcdougal $150,000. "i believe the story was true," pecker testified. "it would have been very embarrassing to trump and also to his campaign." and he told the jury, trump hosted a thank you dinner for him at the white house. >> mr. trump, do you still like pecker? >> reporter: the defense argued trump wanted to quash salacious stories to protect his family, but pecker said he thought it was for the campaign. his family was never mentioned, pecker testified, only the impact it would have on the election. the judge refused to let trump skip court on thursday so he could be at the u.s. supreme court when it weighed his unprecedented claim that presidents cannot be prosecuted for conduct that occurred while in office. >> the argument on immunity is very important. the president has to have immunity. >> reporter: for trump it means special co
pecker. >> david has been very nice, nice guy. >> reporter: over four days pecker revealed the art of catch and kill buying and burying stories to protect trump's campaign. the story saw "the national enquirer's" agreement to pay "playboy" model karen mcdougal $150,000. "i believe the story was true," pecker testified. "it would have been very embarrassing to trump and also to his campaign." and he told the jury, trump hosted a thank you...
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about david pecker is testimony about here comes the defendant himself watching, walking up to the to the cameras it is friday afternoon, 4:30 p.m. let's listen in thank you very much. this is eight days that we've all sitting in this courthouse this is biden indictment. it's an order to try and win an election. political opponent nothing like this has ever happened eight days you know. >> the economy is falling apart down. now you saying it very little growth, it's going to get worse. oil prices are going up. >> you have the college campuses all over, glows our country is going to hell. >> and we sit here day after, day after day, which is their plan. let's they think they might be able to eat, got an election. but i as the bulk numbers are very good for us, i just want to say that i've invited biden to debate a can do it anytime you want, including tonight. ready? do we find it up to the courthouse and he has tied up in the distillation hoping that through washington it's a well related attack on a political opponent. >> but here, i'm ready, willing, and able, and to be once i'll bu
about david pecker is testimony about here comes the defendant himself watching, walking up to the to the cameras it is friday afternoon, 4:30 p.m. let's listen in thank you very much. this is eight days that we've all sitting in this courthouse this is biden indictment. it's an order to try and win an election. political opponent nothing like this has ever happened eight days you know. >> the economy is falling apart down. now you saying it very little growth, it's going to get worse....
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let's go back to the idea of david pecker. the defense team, the trump team was trying to make this come across as standard. this catch and kill idea is standard, happens to a lot of people. and pecker was saying this was actually in furtherance of something more serious. this wasn't the typical catch a story and kill it. there are probably reasons why you would take on a story, pay somebody for it and kill it, but pecker said the unfinished part and this was in furtherance of what donald trump was trying to achieve. >> absolutely and that came across on redirect examination. what happened was the defense attorney has presented what one would call the casablanca defense. there is gambling. ami does this over and over again, that they by people stories. not unusual. in the prosecutor on redirect honed in on the differences. that there has never, even though they have, ami has quashed stories of celebrities and even political figures in the past, they have never been the eyes and ears of a presidential campaign. they have never
let's go back to the idea of david pecker. the defense team, the trump team was trying to make this come across as standard. this catch and kill idea is standard, happens to a lot of people. and pecker was saying this was actually in furtherance of something more serious. this wasn't the typical catch a story and kill it. there are probably reasons why you would take on a story, pay somebody for it and kill it, but pecker said the unfinished part and this was in furtherance of what donald trump...
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david pecker grinning widely as he pointed out trump in the courtroom, the former president smirking back. the two men had been friends for years. but pecker told the jury their relationship changed in 2015, after trump launched his run for president, pecker was summoned to trump tower that august, and in a 20-minute meeting, he said trump and cohen asked me, what can i do and what my magazines can do to help the campaign. pecker testified he pledged to run flattering stories about trump and hit jobs on his opponents, and he offered to be the campaign's eyes and ears to alert cohen if he caught wind of any potentially damaging stories. pecker said he told trump he'd try to kill those stories so they'd never see the light of day. as pecker described that trump tower meeting, jurors were rapt, taking constant notes. pecker laid out how he worked with trump and cohen to publish attacks on rival republican candidates. cohen would tell him who to go after, and the magazine would do it. pecker admitted the enquirer fabricated a story falsely linking cruz's father with the kennedy assassina
david pecker grinning widely as he pointed out trump in the courtroom, the former president smirking back. the two men had been friends for years. but pecker told the jury their relationship changed in 2015, after trump launched his run for president, pecker was summoned to trump tower that august, and in a 20-minute meeting, he said trump and cohen asked me, what can i do and what my magazines can do to help the campaign. pecker testified he pledged to run flattering stories about trump and...
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the former publisher of "the national enquirer" david pecker testifying for a third day, and prosecutors finally asking about stormy daniels. abc's soon yorenior investigave correspondent aaron katersky is at the courthouse. >> reporter: tonight, the former publisher of "the national enquirer" testifying that even after trump became president, he still kept tabs on women who had been paid to keep quiet about their alleged affairs. >> david's been very nice. nice guy. >> reporter: pecker telling the jury that at trump's direction, "the enquirer's" parent company bought the story of former "playboy" model karen mcdougal, who claimed she had a year-long sexual relationship with trump. pecker saying it could be "very embarrassing" to trump's campaign. he described a meeting at trump tower shortly after the election. trump saying, "i want to thank you for handling the mcdougal situation." then asking, "how's our girl?" pecker replying, "she's quiet. things are going fine." months later, trump invited pecker to the white house and asked again, "how's karen doing?" pecker recalled responding, "
the former publisher of "the national enquirer" david pecker testifying for a third day, and prosecutors finally asking about stormy daniels. abc's soon yorenior investigave correspondent aaron katersky is at the courthouse. >> reporter: tonight, the former publisher of "the national enquirer" testifying that even after trump became president, he still kept tabs on women who had been paid to keep quiet about their alleged affairs. >> david's been very nice. nice...
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david pecker is not foreign to me. what he's talking about is not foreign to me, but i think for the larger public, to hear what really goes on, particularly with that kind of tabloid newspaper i think is fascinating. also, let's not forget, we are talking about a former president who is in court over hush-money payments, who has been found liable for fraud and for sexual assault, who could it be in washington for the immunity hearing from when he was president. this guy is going to -- has been spending more time in court than on the campaign trail to run for reelection. i think what makes this week and this case so fascinating is that we are watching this guy be held accountable for at least a sliver of what he has allegedly done. amna: in the new york case, he is now violated the gag order a total of 15 times. jonathan: and counting. amna: is there any way for president trump to be reigned in on that front? david: i think his entire administration tried to do that for four years and it didn't work. jonathan: no. amna
david pecker is not foreign to me. what he's talking about is not foreign to me, but i think for the larger public, to hear what really goes on, particularly with that kind of tabloid newspaper i think is fascinating. also, let's not forget, we are talking about a former president who is in court over hush-money payments, who has been found liable for fraud and for sexual assault, who could it be in washington for the immunity hearing from when he was president. this guy is going to -- has been...
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the southern district of new york made a decision back to three years ago to give david pecker a non-profit because they believed him they did not make that decision. and they said to the contrary to michael cohen sentencing judge, he was not fully forth. >> how do you think that defense is going to handle david pecker? >> i think they're going to try a couple of things. one, they will attack that very non-profit, non-prosecution agreement that we've been talking about. they're going to argue this is unfair. why are you walking free when donald trump, they're trying to lock up donald trump and they're going to argue, you are trying to please the prosecutors. they gave you a sweetheart deal. you're on the palm of their hand. i think the other thing they're going to do and i don't know how much traction they're gonna get is they're going to try to argue the vast majority of your contacts about this catch and kill. we're not with donald trump. they were with michael cohen and he was operating off the books. but as you remember, jake, there were plenty of contacts, not plenty, but a few context
the southern district of new york made a decision back to three years ago to give david pecker a non-profit because they believed him they did not make that decision. and they said to the contrary to michael cohen sentencing judge, he was not fully forth. >> how do you think that defense is going to handle david pecker? >> i think they're going to try a couple of things. one, they will attack that very non-profit, non-prosecution agreement that we've been talking about. they're...
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pecker. he described his role as suppressing the storieies and te affairs would donald trump. this photo shows pecker and the former president walking past the white house rose garden. the president asking him at that moment according to him, how is karen doing and he said he replied she is doing well, she is quiet, everything is going well. in another conversation he said he referred to dougal as our girl. he also suggested trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy daniels. we will bring you excerpts from our coverage tonight. >> the supreme court oral arguments and the conservatives appeared to embrace some form of criminal immunity. the liberal minority by contra
pecker. he described his role as suppressing the storieies and te affairs would donald trump. this photo shows pecker and the former president walking past the white house rose garden. the president asking him at that moment according to him, how is karen doing and he said he replied she is doing well, she is quiet, everything is going well. in another conversation he said he referred to dougal as our girl. he also suggested trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy...