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>> david pecker? >> yeah. >> i felt there were some partings of what he was saying were credible, but he was definitely more inclined to help the former president. >> definitely sounded pro trump throughout his entire thing. >> what was it he said or what was it about his demeanor, hope, that made you think he wanted to help donald trump? >> throughout his entire interview basically, he was talking a lot about, oh, yes, they were, we were referring to the boss, mr. trump. and lots of pro trump language throughout his entire argument. and social studies class, we learn a lot about bias and bias in the media and bias in all different sorts of stories. so it was very interesting to hear how someone actually in court was showing the same bias that we've seen in the media sometimes. >> testimony, also -- >> go ahead, owen. sorry. >> okay. his testimony also reflected how crucial this whole case michael cohen is and will be when he takes the stand in a few weeks. >> i have to ask you both very quickly, what
>> david pecker? >> yeah. >> i felt there were some partings of what he was saying were credible, but he was definitely more inclined to help the former president. >> definitely sounded pro trump throughout his entire thing. >> what was it he said or what was it about his demeanor, hope, that made you think he wanted to help donald trump? >> throughout his entire interview basically, he was talking a lot about, oh, yes, they were, we were referring to the...
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of david pecker. is that a violation of the gag order? >> they're holding their ammunition. i think -- >> are they trying to influence david pecker? >> when i was a young watergate prosecutor, i thought we had won the battle that no one is above the law and i thought that that was last in memorial. now, trump is violating the gag order. i don't think it is a closed question. the difficulty is what is the judge going to do about it and the d.a. said we're not asking for incarceration. so what is the judge going to do? he has to follow the law. if my client did something like that, they would be in jail, i mean, there would be a hearing, handcuffs on before they ever have a hearing. what the judge is going to do incarceration, i just don't think is a realistic option. it would make trump a martyr. >> and so, politically, what do you think trump wants the judge to do? i mean, trump is trying to use this gag order politically to his benefit, right, richard? and is he trying to egg the judge to try to inca
of david pecker. is that a violation of the gag order? >> they're holding their ammunition. i think -- >> are they trying to influence david pecker? >> when i was a young watergate prosecutor, i thought we had won the battle that no one is above the law and i thought that that was last in memorial. now, trump is violating the gag order. i don't think it is a closed question. the difficulty is what is the judge going to do about it and the d.a. said we're not asking for...
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again, the focus that david pecker is here to tell the story that, number one, they used david pecker and the "national enquirer" to influence the 2016 election and that, number two, that they sought after these negative stories alleging extramarital affairs with donald trump in order to keep them from the american public before november of 2016, chris. >> okay. paul, trump's defense drilled in again today into the words standard in questioning pecker, they drew that running negative stories like one on trump's opponents was standard because it was good for business, but in redirect, steinglass also now honed in on that term. he asked is it standard to be negotiating with a presidential candidate's fixer on an agreement and is a $1 million liquidated damages clause on a $30,000 source agreement standard operating procedure. who's being more effective on the use of the word standard and why does it matter so much? >> so i think they were both making decent points. this trial is about trump's motive in arranging this hush money payment, hush money payments aren't illegal unless you're d
again, the focus that david pecker is here to tell the story that, number one, they used david pecker and the "national enquirer" to influence the 2016 election and that, number two, that they sought after these negative stories alleging extramarital affairs with donald trump in order to keep them from the american public before november of 2016, chris. >> okay. paul, trump's defense drilled in again today into the words standard in questioning pecker, they drew that running...
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and david, you're thoughts about what we're learning for the first time from david pecker's testimony? >> it is pretty stark. to think about practices that were in affect at the national enquirer. if you stopped someone on the street and said is the gossip tabloid going be an avatar or have secret agendas made for the stories they public or don't publish. and people thought gosh, there might be some give and take maybe there is some favoritism. but what we've learned about here is that this tabloid, that is consumed by millions of people, often on check out stands and often at home, often these days online, shared on social media, was picking and killing what stories to publish on the basis of what would help a friend ofity publisher david pecker, a friend by the name of donald trump and according to pecker's own testimony, what might embarrass his presidential came in that 2016 cycle. pecker was on board in 2016 walking through stories with michael cohen about what things they should pick to go after, hillary clinton and he had previous thought about what kind of stories earlier in t
and david, you're thoughts about what we're learning for the first time from david pecker's testimony? >> it is pretty stark. to think about practices that were in affect at the national enquirer. if you stopped someone on the street and said is the gossip tabloid going be an avatar or have secret agendas made for the stories they public or don't publish. and people thought gosh, there might be some give and take maybe there is some favoritism. but what we've learned about here is that...
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and then donald trump and david pecker. talking about our girl karen. >> our girl karen and the way he says our girl karen speaks to the idea that he has actually has a relationship with her and this is an alleged ten-month relationship and i did think it was -- you know, and the david pecker stories of new york of old, right. like i mean, ron emanuel and ron perelman. i mean these are people, these are new york people. he sort of served as a kind of press secretary for new york people and he would somehow pump these gossipy tabloid stories into the magazine. what i think is the most interesting is that we saw they had -- they showed some of the stories that the "national enquirer" ran against ted cruz and marco rubio and they were so crazy. >> crazy. >> a lot of them based on almost nothing, right, like the ted cruz -- that dad was somehow a killer. i mean the zodiac killer. completely crazy. what's so like almost tragic to me is ted cruz is now so on team trump -- >> so is rubio. >> right. neither have said anything about
and then donald trump and david pecker. talking about our girl karen. >> our girl karen and the way he says our girl karen speaks to the idea that he has actually has a relationship with her and this is an alleged ten-month relationship and i did think it was -- you know, and the david pecker stories of new york of old, right. like i mean, ron emanuel and ron perelman. i mean these are people, these are new york people. he sort of served as a kind of press secretary for new york people...
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david pecker. to vaughn's point about unspoken, unknown details, according to prosecutes today, it was trump who invited david pecker to come to this meeting at trump tower in 2015. they were joined by michael cohen there. when we've seen that meeting described and public filings, it comes across really differently. they say there was a meeting between cohen and pecker and a third member of the trump campaign. we know from our colleague tom winters reporting in 2018 -- >> do we have that? okay. we're, we went back and we found, it actually circulated on social media. tom winter is a pro's pro and probably the kind of reporter that lives in both worlds. that does talk to those kinds of sources that know where people move and with whom they move. let me show you that report about that meeting and who was in it. >> the first discussion of this so-called catch and kill come up in august 2015. so the "wall street journal" reported back in november and nbc news has now confirmed that in fact the other ca
david pecker. to vaughn's point about unspoken, unknown details, according to prosecutes today, it was trump who invited david pecker to come to this meeting at trump tower in 2015. they were joined by michael cohen there. when we've seen that meeting described and public filings, it comes across really differently. they say there was a meeting between cohen and pecker and a third member of the trump campaign. we know from our colleague tom winters reporting in 2018 -- >> do we have that?...
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david pecker responded, that's right. of course, at the heart of the charges here, falsifying business records, is specifically the stormy daniels payment and the reimbursement of michael cohen by donald trump. and what david pecker is now saying is that he never intended to be a part of the stormy daniels story here in the first place. another aspect of this here is the fact that they are going through some of the prior meetings that david pecker had testified about. one of them that they're currently discussing now is david pecker on january of 2017 walking into a trump tower meeting, just weeks before donald trump was sworn in as president, a meeting that included the likes of reince priebus, sean spicer and james comey and they're getting into the gritty details of exactly what david pecker's role is a part of all of these meetings was and the extent to which donald trump was using these opportunities to ensure the silence of some of these key figures. jose? >> this is a continuing issue, this meeting and as well as o
david pecker responded, that's right. of course, at the heart of the charges here, falsifying business records, is specifically the stormy daniels payment and the reimbursement of michael cohen by donald trump. and what david pecker is now saying is that he never intended to be a part of the stormy daniels story here in the first place. another aspect of this here is the fact that they are going through some of the prior meetings that david pecker had testified about. one of them that they're...
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david pecker is a narrator for this case. and he's laying out the scheme, the multiple times that they killed any bad evidence against donald trump, and that they promoted bad evidence against his opponents. so you have this, you know, like you're building a house and now you have the framework. then you get to michael cohen, and it's already been built up, so he sounds sensible and okay. and then you have the documents. and you can't rebut the documents. donald trump signed those checks. you have the tape recordings. donald trump said, oh, yeah, i know, let's just use cash. no, no, no. so i think the defense really has its work cut out for it. one of the senior people on the watergate case, one said, you know, there are some cases that no one can win. there are some cases where you have to pound the table with the facts because you have the facts. some where you have the law, you emphasize the law, and some where you don't have anything. and even clarence darryl couldn't win the case. so i don't think blanch is clarence daro
david pecker is a narrator for this case. and he's laying out the scheme, the multiple times that they killed any bad evidence against donald trump, and that they promoted bad evidence against his opponents. so you have this, you know, like you're building a house and now you have the framework. then you get to michael cohen, and it's already been built up, so he sounds sensible and okay. and then you have the documents. and you can't rebut the documents. donald trump signed those checks. you...
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he watched david pecker walk into the courtroom, he watched david pecker in the witness box, that's what we're hearing from inside the courtroom today, very similarly. the other thing i noticed about trump yesterday is he kept looking at the jury. when they came in and out, which happens several times during any court session, he followed them very closely as they walked in and out of the jury box, looked at them in the jury box. not clear whether he's simply look for some sort of indication of how they're leaning or perhaps trying to intimidate a little bit, but had his eyes very focused on them in addition to pecker yesterday, i assume that will go on throughout the trial. >> david axelrod writes that trump is a man who is bred to believe the rules don't apply to him and presents himself as peerless and left to sit silently by edict of the court as a jury of his peers decides his fate. look, rachel maddow said this yesterday on our air, none of us are body language experts. if you believe that is something that can be sort of read with certainty, but anyone, anyone on trial for a crime
he watched david pecker walk into the courtroom, he watched david pecker in the witness box, that's what we're hearing from inside the courtroom today, very similarly. the other thing i noticed about trump yesterday is he kept looking at the jury. when they came in and out, which happens several times during any court session, he followed them very closely as they walked in and out of the jury box, looked at them in the jury box. not clear whether he's simply look for some sort of indication of...
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with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well, it was smart, katie, and i am reminded that it was you who first said that you thought david pecker would be a great kickoff witness. i think that's the case, right? this is someone who doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen, and who tells the origin story. he has now walked us through the election interference conspiracy. this is now patch and kill to elect trump. that's the case that the prosecution will put on. they've done a great job of giving the jury sort of the basics, the land marks and the road map that they'll move ahead on
with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well,...
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the answer from david pecker, quote, yes. he added, the actual purpose was to acquire lifetime rights so it was not published by any other news organization. pecker said it was standard to suppress stories to help a friend or to use as leverage with a celebrity, this was catch and kill in order to influence a presidential election. now with court adjourned for the weekend, it's all systems go as we head into next week with key testimony still ahead. this is where we start the hour with some of our most favorite reports and friends. two people inside the courtroom today, investigative reporter susan craig and former u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant attorney general harry litman. lucky for us, andrew is still here as is lockland. sue, we start with you and your wonderful notebook. >> i have to say i think the most interesting part of today was the contination of that agreement that karen mcdougal had. donald trump's lawyers really tried to muddy the water on it. put some poison in the ear that karen mcdougal got someth
the answer from david pecker, quote, yes. he added, the actual purpose was to acquire lifetime rights so it was not published by any other news organization. pecker said it was standard to suppress stories to help a friend or to use as leverage with a celebrity, this was catch and kill in order to influence a presidential election. now with court adjourned for the weekend, it's all systems go as we head into next week with key testimony still ahead. this is where we start the hour with some of...
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i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors and i said, did he pay her parents? he said no, and this guy said i had to sue to get their money. i said okay, well, they got $.50 on the dollar back in the guy says you know what? they voted for trump. why if they believe he cheated them on their money? he said because, if you cheat says he will cheat everybody else on behalf of america, cheat the rest of the world on behalf of america. there is an interesting dynamic. it's a view, of him as somebody who is able to manipulate the system to work the system, bypass the system, whatever it is, that see
i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors...
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harry & david. life is a gift. share more. e >>> donald trump has always been known for his inflammatory rhetoric, but the "new york times" says the rhetoric he's using in this campaign is unlike any other campaign before. before november 2020, his speeches stopped short of language like vermin, and enemies within. this is how fascists campaign. >> it's one of the interesting things about what is happening in the new york trial, which is on one hand, there is the legal case, and as donald trump so often thinks about these things, there is legal case, and there is for him, the sort of pr nightmare of it all, or handling it as a public relations thing. there is, of course an open question of whether or not there is going to be accountability for him as it relates to the proposition that alvin bragg and his team have about what happened here. there's also the question of accountability, if he's going going to be held accountable if he double talks. what he does in the courtroom. the gag order that's before him. and he's not enfor
harry & david. life is a gift. share more. e >>> donald trump has always been known for his inflammatory rhetoric, but the "new york times" says the rhetoric he's using in this campaign is unlike any other campaign before. before november 2020, his speeches stopped short of language like vermin, and enemies within. this is how fascists campaign. >> it's one of the interesting things about what is happening in the new york trial, which is on one hand, there is the...
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>> well, what david -- david pecker did was he contextualize the whole story. you set the table for the prosecution's case. remember, this is a guy who printed an awful lot of bs over the years. when he got on the stand, he was a truth teller and came across very well and they could not break him on cross examination. so, the story he told was kind of the prelude to the crime. the crime in this case is alleged to be michael cohen and his boss, their boss, president donald , falsified business documents as part of a scheme to cover up the payment to stormy daniels so that she would not talk just before the election about their affair. it turns out that there was a precedent to all of this. there was a doorman at a owned building who is going to serve as a story about having a love child. the story was not true, but he was paid just so he would not put it out there and hurt . in a more important prelude that we heard a lot about from david , karen mcdougal, who was president donald 's mistress for a 10 month period in 2006 and 2007, she was paid for her story, on
>> well, what david -- david pecker did was he contextualize the whole story. you set the table for the prosecution's case. remember, this is a guy who printed an awful lot of bs over the years. when he got on the stand, he was a truth teller and came across very well and they could not break him on cross examination. so, the story he told was kind of the prelude to the crime. the crime in this case is alleged to be michael cohen and his boss, their boss, president donald , falsified...
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david pecker . correct. court cannot be back in session until tuesday but the breakdown is happening right now. running me is joyce vance and hugo lowell. we were in new york at the same time for this title. david credibility. he was saying donald trump, he considered to be his mentor. yet, to his credit, even on cross examination by the defense attorney for donald trump, david pecker stood his ground. he held the line and said this was all to help influence the outcome by benefiting donald trump's campaign. >> "the national enquirer" wanted to protect this trump and this came through all through the testimony. it was extremely significant because trump was hoping or trumps lawyers were hoping to a certain extent they would be able to suggest that he was disgruntled, that they hadn't been friends for some time. they didn't have close connections anymore. but, with david pecker going on the stand and say i find as a mentor and i like his business deals and consider him a good guy as far as he was concerned, i
david pecker . correct. court cannot be back in session until tuesday but the breakdown is happening right now. running me is joyce vance and hugo lowell. we were in new york at the same time for this title. david credibility. he was saying donald trump, he considered to be his mentor. yet, to his credit, even on cross examination by the defense attorney for donald trump, david pecker stood his ground. he held the line and said this was all to help influence the outcome by benefiting donald...
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what did david do? he bought us weekly and turned it into a lifestyle magazine, a platform to showcase the trump family in the white house. talk how these two men know each other and have been essentially in business for decades. >> this is an ugly set of journalism. i should emphasize that set the way we do journalism. we don't buy stories to kill them or publish them. that's the way the national enquirer worked and how it worked for years. there were instances where the killed negative stories about arnold schwarzenegger when he was running for governor. they did it for tiger woods to get a good interview with tiger woods. they buried a story about him. it's been going on a long time and the world trump lived in for years. the new york tabloids. it was a long-term relationship. you can see that david says we will formalize this. doing it informally and now we will formalize it and i will do it to benefit your campaign because i want the access and power and the stories that i will get out of that. i t
what did david do? he bought us weekly and turned it into a lifestyle magazine, a platform to showcase the trump family in the white house. talk how these two men know each other and have been essentially in business for decades. >> this is an ugly set of journalism. i should emphasize that set the way we do journalism. we don't buy stories to kill them or publish them. that's the way the national enquirer worked and how it worked for years. there were instances where the killed negative...
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david pecker is another one. so you know, everything trump touches, you know, it's kind of the anti-midas touch. and we're seeing that play out in real time in the courtroom. i really do wish this american public could see it. >> i agree. it was really instructive to be there. and speaking of michael cohen, he's been on this show dozens of times, a lot, and one thing that struck me, he told me, he told this audience, he told msnbc's audience the same story for years. and now, everything he said you have david pecker today backing him up. to a point, i mean, literally, he's been telling this story consistently. and so now what's happened is he's already been backed up by david pecker who was the other person in the room making this deal who said yeah, we did do a catch and kill deal. yeah, it was about the election. michael cohen had a campaign email even though he was not on the campaign. no reason for him to have a campaign email. and david pecker said, you can release these salacious stories that would have sol
david pecker is another one. so you know, everything trump touches, you know, it's kind of the anti-midas touch. and we're seeing that play out in real time in the courtroom. i really do wish this american public could see it. >> i agree. it was really instructive to be there. and speaking of michael cohen, he's been on this show dozens of times, a lot, and one thing that struck me, he told me, he told this audience, he told msnbc's audience the same story for years. and now, everything...
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take a listen. >> what did you think of david pecker's testimony so far. >> david has been very nice. nice guy. >> michael cohen was a liar, he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me. >> that jury was picked so fast, 95% democrats. >> are they going to look at all the lies cohen did in the last trial. >> he puts in an invoice or whatever, a bill, and they pay it and call it a legal expense. i got indicted for that. >> joining me now is retired judge and former new york state supreme court justice. she's also known the judge at the center of this case, juan merchan, for 15 years. let me start where we left off there. a lot of people want to know what's going to happen with the fact that the prosecution is charging time after time donald trump has violated the gag order that judge juan merchan put in place. a lot of them have asked the question, why is he not ruling on this, what's he waiting for? you know him. you probably have some idea of how he works. do you have an answer for them? >> i don't have a precise answer, but i can tell you that obviously this tria
take a listen. >> what did you think of david pecker's testimony so far. >> david has been very nice. nice guy. >> michael cohen was a liar, he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me. >> that jury was picked so fast, 95% democrats. >> are they going to look at all the lies cohen did in the last trial. >> he puts in an invoice or whatever, a bill, and they pay it and call it a legal expense. i got indicted for that. >> joining me...
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they cleared lauren's boyfriend david and ex-boyfriend joe. no surprise to lawrence friends. >> i never thought it was david, i never thought it was joe. >> the eventually cleared the maintenance man as well. august 2, five weeks after lauren disappeared, stephen mcdaniel, the quiet law student graduate was charged with murder. he maintained his innocence, pled not guilty. stephen seemed harmless. note criminal record, the evidence against him was circumstantial. the da was not confident. >> i was worried unless we had more that this would be a case where everybody knew he did it but nobody could prove it. >> time to take a harder look at the evidence. >> coming up, investigators are about to discover a certain piece of deleted video. >> i knew we had him. >> do they? when dateline continues. ine co. of moderate-to-severe asthma s that's not for sudden breathing problems. dupixent can cause allergic reactions that can be severe. get help right away if you have rash, chest pain, worsening shortness of breath, tingling or numbness in your limbs.
they cleared lauren's boyfriend david and ex-boyfriend joe. no surprise to lawrence friends. >> i never thought it was david, i never thought it was joe. >> the eventually cleared the maintenance man as well. august 2, five weeks after lauren disappeared, stephen mcdaniel, the quiet law student graduate was charged with murder. he maintained his innocence, pled not guilty. stephen seemed harmless. note criminal record, the evidence against him was circumstantial. the da was not...
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where michael cohen and trump and david pecker had this agreement where david pecker would be the eyes and ears of the campaign and look out for those negative stories. give cohen a heads up and try to suppress it. so it's important he is the lead off witness because it sets the stage. he's the one, of course he was in charge of at the head of ami, in charge of the national enquirer. it sets the stage and just sort of provides for the jury. it started as soon as donald trump announced he was running for president. >> charles, does it matter that they were long time friends, associates, people who worked together for a long time? does that give him more credibility? >> i think it does. the prosecutors are going to tie that into their narrative around why you should believe him and why he's credible. i think when you're setting the stage, giving a jury a very clear picture around what's happening, you have to give to the jury a reason why you should be believing these witnesses and their testimony. so for the reasons you've just mentioned, i think that pecker is going to be a very import
where michael cohen and trump and david pecker had this agreement where david pecker would be the eyes and ears of the campaign and look out for those negative stories. give cohen a heads up and try to suppress it. so it's important he is the lead off witness because it sets the stage. he's the one, of course he was in charge of at the head of ami, in charge of the national enquirer. it sets the stage and just sort of provides for the jury. it started as soon as donald trump announced he was...
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news gold for david pecker because that was his stock in trade. they were trying to portray that this was just more of that and in the opening statements, donald trump's lawyers actually said that they tried to -- trying to influence -- is democracy. that's what people try and do. what was different about this and what the government lawyers were showing is that during the election, the arrangements that were reach and karen google who is the playmate that donald trump had a relationship with, nine months or a year, these payments that went to karen make google and others were larger than usual. the national enquirer national -- have a limit of $10,000. these went well over that. in the case of karen mcdougal, they had a contract with her and that was according to david pecker solely to keep her story off the market but she did in signing that get other things with the agreement. she got, you know, she would have a column, she would get on the cover of a magazine. david pecker said that was all window dressing for the payment to keep her quiet but
news gold for david pecker because that was his stock in trade. they were trying to portray that this was just more of that and in the opening statements, donald trump's lawyers actually said that they tried to -- trying to influence -- is democracy. that's what people try and do. what was different about this and what the government lawyers were showing is that during the election, the arrangements that were reach and karen google who is the playmate that donald trump had a relationship with,...
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but, i have had lunch with david before. i have respect for david, as a businessperson. i think david is a very wise person. he is a seasoned. i think you did the right thing in the court, by explaining to the people what actually happened. you could say, well, did he do the right thing by getting involved with mr. trump in the first place? i mean, listen, obviously, he probably wishes he didn't and regrets that he did that, but honestly, he is an honest person and gave very direct, very honest testimony. so, we will have to see what happens here. but, i know mr. trump well, well enough to know that he is upset and "mad," asked david pecker for giving that testimony. but, she really didn't have a choice but to give that testimony. when you are under oath like that and you, yourself, could go to jail, the right thing to do is to just tell the truth. >> let's take a listen together on how susan -- suzanne craig described trump in court. >> reporter: donald trump came in this morning and he looked tired. i think we were all tired. he did have his eyes closed for most of the
but, i have had lunch with david before. i have respect for david, as a businessperson. i think david is a very wise person. he is a seasoned. i think you did the right thing in the court, by explaining to the people what actually happened. you could say, well, did he do the right thing by getting involved with mr. trump in the first place? i mean, listen, obviously, he probably wishes he didn't and regrets that he did that, but honestly, he is an honest person and gave very direct, very honest...
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david pecker will be back. he spoke for about 30 minutes or so in testimony yesterday after those opening statements. anything that stuck out to you and just how important is he to this case? >> david pecker may in fact be the people's star witness and not michael cohen. david pecker may ultimately be a better witness for a few different reasons. number one, he has some baggage, but he doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen. number two, he's going to lay the foundation of this pre-existing relationship and this catch and kill arrangement. and that's going to match up to a lot of documents that the state is going to introduce. number three, he was a friend of donald trump's. so his testimony may be more credible for that reason. he may be testifying about something we're not anticipating, and it might be about a direct conversation with donald trump, because, remember, that there were these entries in business records can be shown from the records with the state, with the people need to show is donald trump
david pecker will be back. he spoke for about 30 minutes or so in testimony yesterday after those opening statements. anything that stuck out to you and just how important is he to this case? >> david pecker may in fact be the people's star witness and not michael cohen. david pecker may ultimately be a better witness for a few different reasons. number one, he has some baggage, but he doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen. number two, he's going to lay the foundation of this...
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alvin bragg steam cut to the heart of the case in that questioning of david . -- david pecker. they said, quote, is it true, sir, was that your purpose in walking out the karen mcdonnell starry -- mcdougall story? the answer from david pecker, yes. he added, the actual purpose was to acquire lifetime rights so the story was not published by any news organization. david pecker said it was standard to suppress stories to help a friend, but -- this was catch and kill in order to influence a presidential election. now, with court adjourned for the weekend, it also -- we will have key testimony still ahead. we start the hour with our most favorite reporters and friends, two who were inside the courtroom today, investigative reporter suzanne craig and former attorney and deputy assistant attorney carrie whitman. lucky for us, you can check out that you can never leave and you are still here as a friend. let's start with you and your wonderful mug. >> it was a continuation about agreement that karen mcdougal had. president donald trump's lawyers try to muddy the water. i think to -- k
alvin bragg steam cut to the heart of the case in that questioning of david . -- david pecker. they said, quote, is it true, sir, was that your purpose in walking out the karen mcdonnell starry -- mcdougall story? the answer from david pecker, yes. he added, the actual purpose was to acquire lifetime rights so the story was not published by any news organization. david pecker said it was standard to suppress stories to help a friend, but -- this was catch and kill in order to influence a...
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answer, david pecker. being in the publishing industry for 40 years, i realized early in my career the only thing that was important was a cover of a magazine. so when the editors would prepare a cover we would have a meeting and they would present me what the concept was and cost was going be. question, prosecutor. and if the story involves for lack of a better way to say it a big story or a famous person. now, two salient points here about that testimony from david pecker. he's only on the stand for about two hours today. first, what he says counts as the normal amount of money for the checkbook journalism he says his company does. anything over $10,000, that would be unusual. that would be out of bounds. that would have to get personal approval from him as chairman, ceo from not just one of these publications but the entire company with dozens of publications. $10,000 was the ceiling. beyond that, it had to go personally through him. in this case prosecutors say they'll present evidence that ami was doi
answer, david pecker. being in the publishing industry for 40 years, i realized early in my career the only thing that was important was a cover of a magazine. so when the editors would prepare a cover we would have a meeting and they would present me what the concept was and cost was going be. question, prosecutor. and if the story involves for lack of a better way to say it a big story or a famous person. now, two salient points here about that testimony from david pecker. he's only on the...
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>> reporter: this is the second day for david pecker on the stand. yesterday he was only able to testify for about 30 minutes. we are about five minutes into his testimony here today with the jury back in the jury box. i can tell you that the prosecution is currently going through the early meetings of donald trump and david pecker. of course, the former publisher of "the national enquirer," who is a crucial witness to the prosecution dating back to the meeting between michael cohen and donald trump and david pecker, when they concocted the catch and kill scheme. what the prosecution is doing in real time is asking david pecker when he first met donald trump. he's now telling the story of back in the 1980s at mar-a-lago when he met mr. trump, and he pointed to defendant trump in the courtroom, and notably he said their relationship became closer in the 2000s, naming donald trump's "the apprentice," when he was on air with the popular television show, the two struck up a mutually beneficial relationship, and it was quite clear according to david pecke
>> reporter: this is the second day for david pecker on the stand. yesterday he was only able to testify for about 30 minutes. we are about five minutes into his testimony here today with the jury back in the jury box. i can tell you that the prosecution is currently going through the early meetings of donald trump and david pecker. of course, the former publisher of "the national enquirer," who is a crucial witness to the prosecution dating back to the meeting between michael...
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maybe not so much michael cohen, but david becker. someone outside the system who doesn't have as much baggage as a michael cohen. their stories match up, along with the documents that match the stories. >> it's not unusual to have recordings, right, especially when you have a criminal case where things could have been budding. you know, but one of the witnesses recorded it on his own, and for his own reasons. that is different and unusual. >> that's different. but as danny said, it happens. particularly if you have a witness is afraid they may be caught one day, and he wants to say this is what happened. you notice in that tape, a good defense attorney can cross examine. cohen says i got this. their whole self-defense lakes by donald trump hands off. this was all michael cohen. that will play into the defense. >> catherine, danny, stay with me. we've got a lot more to learn from you both of you in this hour. up next, what more we could hear from david pecker and why the former "national enquirer" publisher was the first witness on th
maybe not so much michael cohen, but david becker. someone outside the system who doesn't have as much baggage as a michael cohen. their stories match up, along with the documents that match the stories. >> it's not unusual to have recordings, right, especially when you have a criminal case where things could have been budding. you know, but one of the witnesses recorded it on his own, and for his own reasons. that is different and unusual. >> that's different. but as danny said, it...
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answer, david pecker. being in the publishing industry for 40 years i realized early in my career that the only thing that was important is the cover of a magazine. so when the editors produce a story or prepare the cover, we would have a meeting and they would present the story, what the concept was, what the cost would be. question, prosecutor. if the story involved for lack of a better way to say it, a big story or a famous person, did you have the final say on whether or not to publish the story. answer, david pecker. yes, i did. the first witness in the criminal trial of former president donald trump today was david pecker, the former ceo of american media inc. ami, the company that used to own the national enquirer. two salient points here about that testimony from david pecker. he's only on the stand for like half an hour today, but we get all of this salient stuff for the prosecution's case. first of all, there's what he said about what counts as a normal amount of money for the kind of checkbook j
answer, david pecker. being in the publishing industry for 40 years i realized early in my career that the only thing that was important is the cover of a magazine. so when the editors produce a story or prepare the cover, we would have a meeting and they would present the story, what the concept was, what the cost would be. question, prosecutor. if the story involved for lack of a better way to say it, a big story or a famous person, did you have the final say on whether or not to publish the...
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what does that do, david? because that's no in and of itself a crime, it is more the realization that they buried enough stuff to get trump close enough to lose the popular vote and eek out an electoral college win. and if some of this had come out earl will any the primary, heck, cruz might have been the nominee to begin with. we might not have had any of this. >> i think it does a couple of things. one, it helps demonstrate the kind of thinking around the conspiracy, that this was -- they were really propping this guy up and trying to promote him, which is really what they need to show as part of this conspiracy. but i also think it brings to it an emotional element, a recognition by the people involved that there is something going on really bad here. and if the people close to him and in that circle had that feeling, it also helps demonstrate i think implicitly a sense of knowledge and intent by the defendant. >> emily, we don't usually hear "what have we done?" outside of the movies. >> right. but i think
what does that do, david? because that's no in and of itself a crime, it is more the realization that they buried enough stuff to get trump close enough to lose the popular vote and eek out an electoral college win. and if some of this had come out earl will any the primary, heck, cruz might have been the nominee to begin with. we might not have had any of this. >> i think it does a couple of things. one, it helps demonstrate the kind of thinking around the conspiracy, that this was --...
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but, take a listen to how he described david pecker this week. watch. >> david testimony so far? >> is been very nice, david has been very nice, nice guy. >> the idea that donald trump is just giving out a complement to david pecker who is testifying against trump is very hard for me to believe. if you believe that is sincere and i have a bridge to sell you. >> tara makes a great point as well. we don't know why, and terrace background by the way is outstanding, a+, wish i had that. >> thank you. >> as far as david pecker is concerned, here's a guy within trump's inner circle, someone he respects worked with, someone who as tara said, knows where the bodies are buried. he is transactional. he's going to back off if you think you have leverage. the bigger question is why did he cut michael cohen loose? had he kept cohen in the circle maybe this case would've never happened, but he backed away from cohen, and now you created an enemy out of someone like cohen. maybe that's a lesson trump learned about david pecker. you don't want to create enemies when you don't have to. pecker did
but, take a listen to how he described david pecker this week. watch. >> david testimony so far? >> is been very nice, david has been very nice, nice guy. >> the idea that donald trump is just giving out a complement to david pecker who is testifying against trump is very hard for me to believe. if you believe that is sincere and i have a bridge to sell you. >> tara makes a great point as well. we don't know why, and terrace background by the way is outstanding, a+, wish...
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david pecker has been admitting that. he recounts his dealing with the star witness michael cohen to buy in and bury stories, in order to protect president donald 's campaign. they allege an agreement to then hide financial footprints. they told the jury this will also be corroborated with evidence in , the defendant's own words, showing an illegal conspiracy. he said there is not an actual conspiracy charge in this case. that is true. the word conspiracy has a legal meaning and a more colloquial meaning if you have ever watched a mafia movie. they are saying they conspired together. they also attack the whole conspiracy theory, that he attacked through unlawful means. it would be needed to supersize this misdemeanor of financial fraud into a felony case. the trough defense has kind of said, well, maybe the da is being alarmist about what amounts to, however dirty, politics as usual. that is how they argue it. some proclaim there is nothing wrong with trying to influence and to collection. it is called democracy. the da h
david pecker has been admitting that. he recounts his dealing with the star witness michael cohen to buy in and bury stories, in order to protect president donald 's campaign. they allege an agreement to then hide financial footprints. they told the jury this will also be corroborated with evidence in , the defendant's own words, showing an illegal conspiracy. he said there is not an actual conspiracy charge in this case. that is true. the word conspiracy has a legal meaning and a more...
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>> of david-pecker? i think they are going to do everything they can to show he is a liar, that what he is saying is not only ill- informed, but he got a nonprosecution agreement, that his hand was forced, and he's trying to cover his basis by lying. it's really the only move they have. poke holes in the case, one witness at a time, and that's what they will be doing with david-pecker starting tomorrow or the day after. >> we shall see. i mean listen, we may know this story quite well, at least the broad contours of it, but when it comes to the trial, there is so much to dig in. jeremy, duncan, thank you. i think we have less of you in for one more block. so please stay right there. >>> coming up, congress, aid to ukraine, but don't ask anyone in the republican party if this means the debate is settled. >>> as we await a judge order on a gag ruling, maybe trump wants to go to prison, they suggest. more on that, next. millions of children are fighting to survive due to inequality, conflict, poverty and th
>> of david-pecker? i think they are going to do everything they can to show he is a liar, that what he is saying is not only ill- informed, but he got a nonprosecution agreement, that his hand was forced, and he's trying to cover his basis by lying. it's really the only move they have. poke holes in the case, one witness at a time, and that's what they will be doing with david-pecker starting tomorrow or the day after. >> we shall see. i mean listen, we may know this story quite...
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david pecker did that. and on behalf of david pecker, he actually provided fodder for the prosecution to bolster everything he said a. once you establish that, it is easy for her to step in and say, i kept the rolodex and knew about some of the documents and the business records and for them to say this has been involved with these organizations. but i've been set up for mr. cohen that when he takes the stand he's only confirming. >> this comes after three days of testimony and you talk about david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer. will the hoping to establish and how engaged was the jury while listening to it? >> i was in the overflow room but the david pecker testimony was exactly what the prosecutors want to because he gave the foundation that everything that trump did -- everything that david pecker did after august 2015 when trump, michael cohen, and david pecker met and huddled and came up with a catch and kill scheme. all of this was in furtherance of the trump campaign and to he
david pecker did that. and on behalf of david pecker, he actually provided fodder for the prosecution to bolster everything he said a. once you establish that, it is easy for her to step in and say, i kept the rolodex and knew about some of the documents and the business records and for them to say this has been involved with these organizations. but i've been set up for mr. cohen that when he takes the stand he's only confirming. >> this comes after three days of testimony and you talk...
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, they've been friends and allies for decades. >> david was the false witness, at trial you start with your worst witness and and with your strongest witness. i think it was very telling in the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to make this link directly to the election, you know the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump entered into this catch and kill scheme for the campaign, and it was for him to be the eyes and ears of the campaign from negative stories that could be coming down the pike and this is where it's going, he was being asked about how he operated and orchestrated the catch and kill scheme, over $10,000 that individual editors had to come and ask them if they could spend that kind of money on sources and trying to get stories, and he will narrate the entirety of the relationship between trump and him and the national enquirer that's what makes him such an important witness. >> the prosecution is hoping he will be that narrator? >> absolutely, that's the game of the prosecution, you start with him because he's the guy that's negotiating early
, they've been friends and allies for decades. >> david was the false witness, at trial you start with your worst witness and and with your strongest witness. i think it was very telling in the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to make this link directly to the election, you know the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump entered into this catch and kill scheme for the campaign, and it was for him to be the eyes and ears of the campaign from negative stories...
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>> of david pecker? >> yeah. >> i think they're going to do everything they can to showhe hs a liar, what he's saying is not only ill-informed but he's doing it because he got a non pros cushion agreement. theno u.s. attorney's office ha forced a his hand, forced him there today, and he's trying to cover his bases by lying. poke holes in the case one witness at a time, and that's what they're going to be doing with david pecker probably starting tomorrow or the day after. >> well, we shall see. listen, we may know this story quite nowell, at least the broa contours of atit, but when it comes down to the actual trial, there is so much to dig into. thank you so much for your time tonight. duncan, i think we have lassoed you inav for one more block, so please stay right there. coming up at long last congress votes to send aid toon ukraine. but don't ask anyone in the republican party if this means the debate is settled. and coming up as we await judge merchan's ruling on the gag order prosecutors are sugges
>> of david pecker? >> yeah. >> i think they're going to do everything they can to showhe hs a liar, what he's saying is not only ill-informed but he's doing it because he got a non pros cushion agreement. theno u.s. attorney's office ha forced a his hand, forced him there today, and he's trying to cover his bases by lying. poke holes in the case one witness at a time, and that's what they're going to be doing with david pecker probably starting tomorrow or the day after....
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david, your reactions to the scenes unfolding across campuses ? >> jonathan, look, in october, hamas attacked israel mechling over 1200 people, taking several hundred hostages, including american citizens and i don't think there's anything that joe biden could do that would change how benjamin netanyahu executes the war. that is the reality of our politics. what is also true is that domestically, we have a shift among our current alliances with israel, particularly within the democratic party and that is okay. the questioning of our current posture. i think a lot of grace has to be given for the exercise of independent thought on college campuses and for free speech. and, we also have to recognize that students, particularly jewish students, have to be protected in this moment. it is okay to recognize that israel will continue to execute this war while also recognizing the concerns and speech of young voters in the united states. those two things can coexist. nothing is easy in this moment. what i do think is untoward and awful is the manipulation
david, your reactions to the scenes unfolding across campuses ? >> jonathan, look, in october, hamas attacked israel mechling over 1200 people, taking several hundred hostages, including american citizens and i don't think there's anything that joe biden could do that would change how benjamin netanyahu executes the war. that is the reality of our politics. what is also true is that domestically, we have a shift among our current alliances with israel, particularly within the democratic...
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i felt like , peter, david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps on grafting and he completely dupes his followers. but then they sit there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial so far has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, you know, it reminds me of a story i was told once by a new yorker his parents work for donald trump as contractors. we all know that donald trump is not always very good about paying the contractors. i said this person, did he pay your parents? he said no, he didn't. discussed that i had to sue him to get their money. i said okay. he said well, i got $.50 on the dollar back. but you know what? they voted for trump. i said why would they vote for trump if they believe he cheated them on their money? he said well, if he cheats us, he will cheat everybody else on behalf of america. he will cheat the rest of the world on behalf of america. so there is a sort of interesting view of him as somebody who was able
i felt like , peter, david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps on grafting and he completely dupes his followers. but then they sit there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial so far has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, you know, it reminds me of a story i was told once by a new yorker his parents work for donald trump as contractors. we all know that donald trump is...
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david's absolutely right here. the prosecution has been preparing for it. that's one of the reasons they put david pecker on the stand first, to establish through an independent witness some of the facts they're going to hear from michael cohen himself and that that is part of the process of both trying to say to the jury, no, you are going to hear things from michael cohen you have heard from others. the other is they are going to think about how to rehabilitate him on redirect. that's something that i'm quite sure they are prepared for. >> thank you so much for being with us this morning. appreciate it. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can reach me at social media. you can watch clips from our show at msnbc.com/jdb on youtube. thank you for the privilege of your time. katy tur picks up with more news right now. >>> right now on "andrea mitchell reports," former president trump found in context of his gag order and fined by judge merchan who threatened jail time if donald trump refuses to respect the
david's absolutely right here. the prosecution has been preparing for it. that's one of the reasons they put david pecker on the stand first, to establish through an independent witness some of the facts they're going to hear from michael cohen himself and that that is part of the process of both trying to say to the jury, no, you are going to hear things from michael cohen you have heard from others. the other is they are going to think about how to rehabilitate him on redirect. that's...
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david pecker is who he is. he has no problems saying that he was engaged in checkbook journalism, and, yes, he was publishing some outrageous stories, you know, and negative stories and untrue stories. so that's what he did in charge of the company that was the parent company of the national enquirer. what you want to do is plant reasonable doubt in jurors mind and distance donald trump away from pecker and cohen. it's going to be hard because pecker did testify he's known donald trump for years, and he knew him to be detailed oriented and almost a micromanager. that's hard to distance someone. if you're a micromanager and you're detail oriented, it's hard to say you are hands off. so you can expect them to do that. you can also expect them to try with mr. pecker to talk about other stories, negative stories and falsehoods that were published not at the behest of donald trump but had nothing to do with donald trump. he was in charge of the company for years. >> yeah, i was just going to say the simplest way to
david pecker is who he is. he has no problems saying that he was engaged in checkbook journalism, and, yes, he was publishing some outrageous stories, you know, and negative stories and untrue stories. so that's what he did in charge of the company that was the parent company of the national enquirer. what you want to do is plant reasonable doubt in jurors mind and distance donald trump away from pecker and cohen. it's going to be hard because pecker did testify he's known donald trump for...
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. >> trump, putin and larry david. that's an unusual combination. >> i overheard larry david attempting to bribe a city councilwoman. >> stop at voter suppression. >> stop suppressing the vote. >> what are you doing? >> i can't sit this one out. election integrity. they are stealing votes. >> you're stealing the spotlight. >> in the real world donald trump's trial begins next week and will begin with that high- stakes jury selection i mentioned on the program. at larry's trial they satirized that processed using the legal right to strike jurors by applying his fashion radar to weed out who he believed to be republican jurors. see if you agree with how he detects politics in this manner though it did not save him. >> that guy's got a straight tie. let's get rid of him. >> juror number 20. >> not loving 22. big hair. kellyanne conway. >> dismissed. >> we know this law is wrong. it's only purpose is to scare people off from voting. it is an insult to democracy and it goes against everything the bible tells us. >> let's ge
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so, david pecker testified. he consulted with an election attorney, a special attorney who does election law. and then he ran the karen mcdougal agreement by his own company's general counsel, their top lawyer. now, both of those are privileged conversations between attorney and client so david pecker didn't go into details. but, a prosecutor asked him based on that conversation, did you come to the decision you no longer wanted to be reimbursed for the money that ami had laid out to acquire karen mcdougal's lifetime rate ? david pecker responded, "yes, that is correct." "i called michael cohen, i said the agreement, the assignment deal is off. i'm not going forward. it is a bad idea. i want you to rip up the agreement. " in other words, david pecker had a brush with this in the past, campaign finance law and how it is located in a catch and kill scheme for a candidate, thought about them doing the same thing here, had a talk with his lawyer, decided receiving the money for the express purpose of paying off trum
so, david pecker testified. he consulted with an election attorney, a special attorney who does election law. and then he ran the karen mcdougal agreement by his own company's general counsel, their top lawyer. now, both of those are privileged conversations between attorney and client so david pecker didn't go into details. but, a prosecutor asked him based on that conversation, did you come to the decision you no longer wanted to be reimbursed for the money that ami had laid out to acquire...
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he doesn't seem to have party affiliation with david pecker. it's just about how close to political power he could get. arnold schwarzenegger was part of the general leader publications factory, and he required that in 2002. he came with it, and pecker directed his staff to say, schwarzenegger is forbidden fruit. you will not write bad stories about him. he became the governor of california. there's also a financial aspect to this and that ami was floundering around the time that all of this business was happening, and there was the possibility of investment money coming in, possibly from a sovereign wealth fund. and so packer was courting that at the time. so while these things were happening, it was the sort of perfect storm that made -- that made this make sense for him. and of course, it's speculation, that is sort of what we discovered. >> all right. the documentary, scandalous, the untold story of the national enquirer. people should look it up. it is a couple years old, but it has current relativity today. storm at the brother-in-law of
he doesn't seem to have party affiliation with david pecker. it's just about how close to political power he could get. arnold schwarzenegger was part of the general leader publications factory, and he required that in 2002. he came with it, and pecker directed his staff to say, schwarzenegger is forbidden fruit. you will not write bad stories about him. he became the governor of california. there's also a financial aspect to this and that ami was floundering around the time that all of this...
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one, this was not david first rodeo. and, two, david pecker was always serving david pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of the payment had nothing to do with benefiting donald trump's campaign, trump the david pecker was good business as he had always been. that doesn't, to your point,, and the fact that it is still a federal election law violation. more importantly, as david pecker acknowledged in his direct, he knew it at the time. >> let me interject. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for 17 years in terms of reading stories and trying to keep him happy and trying to get them to contribute and all of that stuff and then once trump campaign started in 2015 and 2016, that is when david pecker started paying to shut people up for the first time. persecution said in their opening statement on monday that that was only once trump had his presidential campaign going, that was the first time they ever paid anyone, paid anyone for information about trump. it is qualitatively process at that point. >> i agree with that. and,
one, this was not david first rodeo. and, two, david pecker was always serving david pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of the payment had nothing to do with benefiting donald trump's campaign, trump the david pecker was good business as he had always been. that doesn't, to your point,, and the fact that it is still a federal election law violation. more importantly, as david pecker acknowledged in his direct, he knew it at the time. >> let me interject. isn't there a big...
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in the meantime, thank you, david. allie, i just want you to know i effectively advocated for the team here at the table today with one of the big bosses. we will tell you more later. the table might get bigger. >> i'm liking that idea, because mobile will just see his face. i get more my news from kyle griffin and i think any other single source. his tweets go up for the news alerts go up. not only did that tweet go up. it's like, how do you get that news? for anybody who doesn't follow, you can really learn a lot of news by following kyle griffin. he's also an amazing writer. >> you must be a great multitasker. >> is probably tweeted this whole segment. you guys have a great weekend, and we will see you next weekend. >>> could morning to you. it is sunday, april 28th. a few days in american politics can compare to what we saw last thursday when a pair of court proceedings for donald trump as he runs for president while also facing multiple criminal prosecutions. in a manhattan courtroom, donald trump, the twice impea
in the meantime, thank you, david. allie, i just want you to know i effectively advocated for the team here at the table today with one of the big bosses. we will tell you more later. the table might get bigger. >> i'm liking that idea, because mobile will just see his face. i get more my news from kyle griffin and i think any other single source. his tweets go up for the news alerts go up. not only did that tweet go up. it's like, how do you get that news? for anybody who doesn't follow,...
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david, is it difficult to prove this case? would a jury believed that cohen decided to dip into his home equity to give money to stormy daniels? >> i don't think it's difficult to prove this legally. and here's why. the rule for the prosecution's office is you don't bring a high profile case in that you expect to lose. he has shown this to others and they've assured him that he can legally approve this case. it's whether or not the jury gets distracted when they hear this evidence. they really need to play this straight. this is what you and i were talking about in the last segment about prior bad acts. you have two lawyers and an engineer on the jury. i don't know any trial lawyer who would voluntarily have a lawyer on the trial alone to. they are the rare exception in terms of jurors who will focus on evidence and arguments. therefore, you don't want to be too salacious in your opening statement. you want to play it straight and let them know he did it and we are going to prove it and you're the fax you will hear and leave i
david, is it difficult to prove this case? would a jury believed that cohen decided to dip into his home equity to give money to stormy daniels? >> i don't think it's difficult to prove this legally. and here's why. the rule for the prosecution's office is you don't bring a high profile case in that you expect to lose. he has shown this to others and they've assured him that he can legally approve this case. it's whether or not the jury gets distracted when they hear this evidence. they...
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let's talk about the role of david pecker. his credibility, once it's evaluated by the jurors -- he was the first witness and the feature witness of the trial so far -- is to take some of the burden to of michael cohen, who is obviously -- has damage connected to him being convicted and having admitted to perjury in the past and served time for that. >> right. that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was donald trump's pick not prosecutor's pick. we are seeing this process that defense lawyer goes through in cross-examination. as vaughn said, they can't argue the evidence when they are cross-examining the witness. they are collecting coins that they hope will turn out to be valuable in closing argument when they can go back and argue to the jury. you can't really believe these people, they are not credible. >> the other thing, catherine, is this gag order hearing. judge merchan set it for next thursday. that's another week before dealing with the
let's talk about the role of david pecker. his credibility, once it's evaluated by the jurors -- he was the first witness and the feature witness of the trial so far -- is to take some of the burden to of michael cohen, who is obviously -- has damage connected to him being convicted and having admitted to perjury in the past and served time for that. >> right. that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was...
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david is a nice guy. somewhere, it deflates those that want to rally around the martyr. >> what's interesting from a human nature aspect is that donald trump is the gift that keeps on giving. if you're attached to donald trump in any way, manner, shape, or form, you're going to end up in trouble with the law just by being with trump. to see his face, the still picture we showed, this is the first time in that man's life that he has been captured, and he is captured today. he will be captured every day that he has to sit in court. it's got to have an enormous emotional impact on him. >> and that's not all. >>> let's talk again, barbara mcquade, about what will happen in a couple hours. oral arguments at the supreme court on the question of immunity. we heard donald trump say to the group of reporters at the construction site, a president has to have total immunity, otherwise, he is a ceremonial president. suggesting when asked a couple months ago that, yes, he should have immunity if he sent s.e.a.l. team
david is a nice guy. somewhere, it deflates those that want to rally around the martyr. >> what's interesting from a human nature aspect is that donald trump is the gift that keeps on giving. if you're attached to donald trump in any way, manner, shape, or form, you're going to end up in trouble with the law just by being with trump. to see his face, the still picture we showed, this is the first time in that man's life that he has been captured, and he is captured today. he will be...
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david pecker says yes. steinglass says, did he ever say he was concerned about melania or how ivanka might feel. pecker says no, he invited me to the inauguration and he was going to get a cell phone number. that never transpired. pecker says he did not go to the inauguration and he asked his wife, and she said she didn't want to go either, so they didn't go. this is pecker saying this was -- part of the defense argument has been this is about protecting melania. he didn't want to embarrass me -- melania. and pecker said it was more about the campaign. >> it's on two levels. legally it's important. to have the campaign finance why it's a felony, this is so called john edwards defense, i did this for my family, not the campaign. the principal with the agreement with the other principal, david becker, donald trump. to have him say this was about the campaign, not his personal family goes directly to the legal theory. on the emotional side, just imagine you're a juror, you're in court, donald trump is sitting
david pecker says yes. steinglass says, did he ever say he was concerned about melania or how ivanka might feel. pecker says no, he invited me to the inauguration and he was going to get a cell phone number. that never transpired. pecker says he did not go to the inauguration and he asked his wife, and she said she didn't want to go either, so they didn't go. this is pecker saying this was -- part of the defense argument has been this is about protecting melania. he didn't want to embarrass me...
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thank you very much, david litt for joining us. you are a former writer of former president obama's speeches. we have a clip we would like to show. >> cheney says , he thinks i am the worst president of his lifetime. which is interesting, because i think cheney is the worst president of my lifetime . >> [ cheers and applause ] >> now, considering what we have been through, i bet cheney feels the family now. can you tell us what goes into crafting those jokes? >> jokes like that, there is a team effort. if it went badly, it would be my fault, if it went well, it's the group. what i liked particularly like with that joke was the story behind it. president obama, you know, cheney had made that comment, we went to him with the punchline, it was pretty tame, and the note i got back said come on, this has got to be sharper. it's cheney. >> [ laughter ] >> so there's a line. you have to be careful, but president obama was always good about saying let's push the line a little bit. so that's when you ended up with stuff that scored a point,
thank you very much, david litt for joining us. you are a former writer of former president obama's speeches. we have a clip we would like to show. >> cheney says , he thinks i am the worst president of his lifetime. which is interesting, because i think cheney is the worst president of my lifetime . >> [ cheers and applause ] >> now, considering what we have been through, i bet cheney feels the family now. can you tell us what goes into crafting those jokes? >> jokes...