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story not to help donald trump, but to help karen mcdougal. defense attorney emil bove. and you were very clear on cross-examination that ms. mcdougal did not want to publish that story, right? that is correct. bove, she wanted to promote her name and brand, correct? yes. she, karen mcdougal was illegitimate celebrity at that time, right? pecker, let me say this. did she meet the celebrity category at that time? no. there were reportedly audible chuckles in the courtroom after that happened. it was not what you would call a highlight moment for the defense. in fact, to be honest from my perspective almost none of it so far has seen all that great for donald trump. maybe you don't need a compelling narrative when the job is to get jurors to believe in reasonable doubt or maybe this is what is happening when you work with an impossible client and do a better job. what does a competent defense strategy look like in this trial? is it turns out, joining me now is andrew wiseman, and anna bello, a pleasure to have you both onset. first of all, i am
story not to help donald trump, but to help karen mcdougal. defense attorney emil bove. and you were very clear on cross-examination that ms. mcdougal did not want to publish that story, right? that is correct. bove, she wanted to promote her name and brand, correct? yes. she, karen mcdougal was illegitimate celebrity at that time, right? pecker, let me say this. did she meet the celebrity category at that time? no. there were reportedly audible chuckles in the courtroom after that happened. it...
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one was karen mcdougal. you had her first and her last name, her email, i think there was a phone number there. it was actually put up on a screen for the court to see, and then the other information was stephanie clifford, but it didn't say stephanie clifford, all it said was "stormy," and then it had a cell phone number. it is interesting, because i think part of the reason rona graff was brought in to testify was to establish potentially for the defense that the relationship between donald trump and stormy daniels could have been about stormy daniels wanting to become a contestant on "the celebrity apprentice," that she wanted something from him. because she came to trump tower in 2007, she has written about it in her book called "full disclosure," they had a meeting, and the allegation that was left for the defense by the jury is that she was there angling to get a slot or a celebrity spot on that show, "celebrity apprentice." >> interesting. kristy, you had taught blanche to explain somewhat awkwardly t
one was karen mcdougal. you had her first and her last name, her email, i think there was a phone number there. it was actually put up on a screen for the court to see, and then the other information was stephanie clifford, but it didn't say stephanie clifford, all it said was "stormy," and then it had a cell phone number. it is interesting, because i think part of the reason rona graff was brought in to testify was to establish potentially for the defense that the relationship...
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who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution has put in a few things about he's a challenging kind of client for that bank guy. pecker thinks he exaggerates. so the jury, i'm sure, is very curious to see this guy. and i think the da's main task, they have laid the tracks well, but they know that cohen is coming. their main task is between hicks, between pecker, and then the paperwork is to corroborate every single hole so at the end of the day, they can get up and say, look, michael cohen, first of all, you can believe him for these reasons, but even if you don't, every single piece. but i bet bac
who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution...
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mcdougal. >> karen mcdougal and promised he was going to put her on the cover and then he realized he wasn't getting paid back, he was like, i'm not doing anymore. is that the sequence? >> he said on the stand, i'm not a bank. that's kind of almost why we're here, because of the stormy daniels payoff, boss he didn't want to front that money, because he had already fronted up the 30k for the doorman, that catch and kill that we did. and then, he would also have put up the money for karen mcdougal, the 150k. by the time stormy daniels comes on the scene straight off the "access hollywood" tape where the campaign is panicking. they don't want any more sordid details. that transaction is then put back on michael cohen and trump because pecker doesn't want to front any more money. what i found extraordinary today, many extraordinary moments, but one of them and i think this was brilliant by the prosecution, really showing how the deal was structured with karen mcdougal, david pecker knew this was a campaign finance violation. the waythy structured that contract for the fitness columns whic
mcdougal. >> karen mcdougal and promised he was going to put her on the cover and then he realized he wasn't getting paid back, he was like, i'm not doing anymore. is that the sequence? >> he said on the stand, i'm not a bank. that's kind of almost why we're here, because of the stormy daniels payoff, boss he didn't want to front that money, because he had already fronted up the 30k for the doorman, that catch and kill that we did. and then, he would also have put up the money for...
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but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she didn't give prosecutors some of the admissions they wanted. they were trying to establish trump had a business reason to have stormy in his rolodex, in particular, he was looking at her as a plausible candidate for the celebrity apprentice. she wouldn't necessarily go there. she said yeah, i have a vague recollection based on some office chatter that she was talked about as an interesting candidate. but never did she say i heard it directly from trump. i overheard trump talking about her. rather, she saw her once in the reception area of the business offices at
but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she...
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whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was, you know, he was very very concerned about it. >> so i said a moment ago, and andrew weissmann points this out. the 24 million was regarding stormy daniels, not karen mcdougal, but this was george conway telling, you know, this network that he was at a dinner where he heard donald trump talking about this. could he end up testifying? i mean, is this an opening for the d.a. to call george conway? >> you know, i don't think so. what i would say is it's consistent with, you know, that he's reacting to this, but it's not really corroborative of exactly what david pecker is saying because, you know, david pecker has a direct conversation with donald trump, and as vaughn correctly said, it's important for both what it is, and it's also important because as the piece that vaughn has alluded to, which is donald trump then saying he doesn't know anything about it, you can be sure the d.a. is going to play that so that you have that sort of, you know, there's nothing better for menta
whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was, you know, he was very very concerned about it. >> so i said a moment ago, and andrew weissmann points this out. the 24 million was regarding stormy daniels, not karen mcdougal, but this was george conway telling, you know, this network that he was at a dinner where he heard donald trump talking about this. could he end up testifying? i mean, is this an opening for the d.a. to call george conway? >> you know, i don't think so....
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when i talked first about the agreement with karen mcdougal and ami. on cross, there is an attempt to say, well, lawyers negotiated this, even in the opening, this was blessed by lawyers. to give the jury the impression that lawyers said this is okay so donald trump must've thought it was okay. by the way, an objection that got sustained because you can't make that argument. he has no advice of counsel or presence of counsel. >> ruled out in pretrial motions. >>. now you have this agreement. the agreement, the word campaign doesn't show up once, right ? this agreement with karen mcdougal is for promotional opportunities, for her to be on the cover of the magazine, for her to go straight articles. and, he never on redirect, it was so effective from the state because they are like campaign doesn't come up anywhere. when you talked to your attorney, ami general counsel, you never mentioned michael cohen, you never mentioned the campaign, you never mentioned you were trying to help once the election. there's not but, this looks like a standard agreement fo
when i talked first about the agreement with karen mcdougal and ami. on cross, there is an attempt to say, well, lawyers negotiated this, even in the opening, this was blessed by lawyers. to give the jury the impression that lawyers said this is okay so donald trump must've thought it was okay. by the way, an objection that got sustained because you can't make that argument. he has no advice of counsel or presence of counsel. >> ruled out in pretrial motions. >>. now you have this...
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>> that david pecker was killed in the catch and kill stories including karen mcdougal and other catch and kill stories, that he was at meetings when these were discussed, but when it came to stormy daniels, he backed out, for a reason that actually was, you know, really silly in that he was never reimbursed or never paid back and he didn't want to get involved with a porn star according to his own testimony because of contracts he had with walmart. that's why the people are calling him. what the defense is trying to do in cross examination is create separation. okay, there may have been this karen mcdougal arrangement there may have been this 2015 meeting, there may have been this catch and kill with a doorman, but you were not involved in the whole stormy daniels saga, so therefore you don't have valuable information about that. look, there are not a lot of options for cross examination. i've been thinking about it entirely during his direct testimony. where would the defense go? and they can only go to the classics, his ability to remember, his moative in that he has an agreement or
>> that david pecker was killed in the catch and kill stories including karen mcdougal and other catch and kill stories, that he was at meetings when these were discussed, but when it came to stormy daniels, he backed out, for a reason that actually was, you know, really silly in that he was never reimbursed or never paid back and he didn't want to get involved with a porn star according to his own testimony because of contracts he had with walmart. that's why the people are calling him....
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yes, karen mcdougal is a big part of this. she's not charged here in large part because the conduct she alleges false outside of the statute of limitations but this is going to be a big part of the story that's shows there is a whole range of conduct that this particular candidate and those around him were invested in keeping from everyone else. >> andrew, it is karen mcdougal who, in january after the election, they decide, you know what, we don't have to hold her to the nondisclosure anymore because we after the election, which is such a key element in incentives here. >> what the state needs to make sure the jury does not sort of go off on is that this was just a schema with respect to melania trump. that is the john edwards defense. they need to say this isn't just some personal thing, this is about the campaign. the fact of what he does afterwards. apparently, david is going to say into that and 17, he meets with donald trump, who thanks him for helping him win the campaign and win the election. >> that is all in the open
yes, karen mcdougal is a big part of this. she's not charged here in large part because the conduct she alleges false outside of the statute of limitations but this is going to be a big part of the story that's shows there is a whole range of conduct that this particular candidate and those around him were invested in keeping from everyone else. >> andrew, it is karen mcdougal who, in january after the election, they decide, you know what, we don't have to hold her to the nondisclosure...
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so up you have stormy daniels, you have karen mcdougal. we saw of key players. the women who were involved and the details could be even more revealing in terms of trump's actual involvement. we hear that the defense will site stormy daniels does not know anything about what went wrong in terms of the business records, but stormy daniels will still be relying kind of her interactions with the former president and i think that will be very uncomfortable for trump as he continues to have to sit through weeks of these cases and these stories that are being laid out for the jury to hear. >> let's discuss the supreme court hearing arguments on thursday on trump's claims of presidential immunity. it appears some justices believe at least some immunity is necessary. to the questions indicate to you how they are likely to rule? >> alex, they did and the indicated that to me indirectly because of some of the things we heard the justices say. is not related to the issue before them, but i thought it was amazing that justice alito actually said, isn't it true that the gran
so up you have stormy daniels, you have karen mcdougal. we saw of key players. the women who were involved and the details could be even more revealing in terms of trump's actual involvement. we hear that the defense will site stormy daniels does not know anything about what went wrong in terms of the business records, but stormy daniels will still be relying kind of her interactions with the former president and i think that will be very uncomfortable for trump as he continues to have to sit...
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vaughn, trump's lawyer has been asking pecker about his negotiations with karen mcdougal. what are they getting at? >> reporter: this is all part of the effort here from the defense team to make the case to the jury that this was a long-standing practice on the part of the "national enquirer" to buy up stories and workshop them, make sure to see whether they were true or not, but also to put out other negative stories about other celebrities or politicians medical record to help boost sales because they are a company that is trying to drive publications sales and make money, and when it comes specifically to karen mcdougal, there is an exchange here where emil bove, donald trump's attorney asks her, quote, when you first learned about this, you understand ms. mcdougal did not want to publish. what she wanted was to restart her career, and ami could help her, to which david pecker responded, yes. what they are trying to lay out is that david pecker was not initially engaging with karen mcdougal in an effort to, you know, keep her from going public because she never intended
vaughn, trump's lawyer has been asking pecker about his negotiations with karen mcdougal. what are they getting at? >> reporter: this is all part of the effort here from the defense team to make the case to the jury that this was a long-standing practice on the part of the "national enquirer" to buy up stories and workshop them, make sure to see whether they were true or not, but also to put out other negative stories about other celebrities or politicians medical record to help...
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mcdougal quiet and there was a lunch between karen mcdougal and david pecker and the editor and chief of the "national enquirer" where they were discussing potentially how she could continue to elevate her role within the american media business empire, but while also not talking about donald trump, and so all throughout the first year of donald trump's administration, we as the public did not understand the lengths to which donald trump allegedly was working with michael cohen, with hope hicks, with now sarah huckabee sanders, to try to continue to keep the full story of these individuals alleged affairs and the alleged hush money payment to keep them silent before the 2016 election from the public not only in 2016 but 2017 and using the white house in 2018 as well. >> what's amazing, i hear that there is some activity behind you, vaughn, just look around to make sure you're still safe -- the talking about maybe this is just a trigger, a former white house staffer, but all of the invoking west wing communication staffers at the highest levels and here's what pecker said about jeff se
mcdougal quiet and there was a lunch between karen mcdougal and david pecker and the editor and chief of the "national enquirer" where they were discussing potentially how she could continue to elevate her role within the american media business empire, but while also not talking about donald trump, and so all throughout the first year of donald trump's administration, we as the public did not understand the lengths to which donald trump allegedly was working with michael cohen, with...
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that the real intent of it was to buy karen mcdougal's silence. that is really important because this trial will come down to was there a crime concealed, and that's what we're all looking for, and they were trying to say, well, hang on, that wasn't a crime what happened, she did some stuff, and she got paid. i thought that, to me, was really important and on redirect, the government's lawyers came back in and kept asking pecker about it, and he kept saying over and over, sure, she did some stuff, but the real purpose of that was to silence her, and in fact, he ended up paying a fine to the federal election commission for that payment for -- because a corporation got involved in an election when they shouldn't have. >> one point when bove, kristy greenberg, was really it seemed again -- i'm reading the document. that's why i'm asking you folks who were actually in there, when bove was talking to pecker and challenging his interpretation of some of the things that happened, it ended essentially with pecker saying, you know, i'm trying to tell the t
that the real intent of it was to buy karen mcdougal's silence. that is really important because this trial will come down to was there a crime concealed, and that's what we're all looking for, and they were trying to say, well, hang on, that wasn't a crime what happened, she did some stuff, and she got paid. i thought that, to me, was really important and on redirect, the government's lawyers came back in and kept asking pecker about it, and he kept saying over and over, sure, she did some...
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karen mcdougal got paid off but the cast of characters never changes. the common denominator is michael cohen as the picture with david fixing the public face and donald trump paying it off. what was important is that there is some of us that are jaded having gone through this for years. going on this wild ride that is the donald trump experience. we are all in this courtroom and listening to all of this and we are still stunned when we hear todd blanche get up. by the way, the spaghetti theory, we have heard this as trial lawyers. you throw anything on the wall and hope something sticks. you just want to create reasonable doubt. if you created somehow, who cares how it happened. blanche is meandering. we will talk about this now but we will talk about this. it did not seem like there was any type of organized flow and he only used 35 minutes when he could have used more. i think he got to the point where he ran out of steam. and we would just sit down. >> reporter: one of the things in the opening is it is really important for both sides not to overpro
karen mcdougal got paid off but the cast of characters never changes. the common denominator is michael cohen as the picture with david fixing the public face and donald trump paying it off. what was important is that there is some of us that are jaded having gone through this for years. going on this wild ride that is the donald trump experience. we are all in this courtroom and listening to all of this and we are still stunned when we hear todd blanche get up. by the way, the spaghetti...
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but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to start with you because you're a defense attorney and you're new to this table. it's a challenge, right, no matter how many times the defense keeps going back and back and back to david pecker, trying to show this wasn't about the campaign, which is what you did, this is standard operating procedure, they said that over and over and over again yesterday. let me give you one of the later pieces of back and forth, and this is steinglass trying to, again, disprove that bove had just done, the defense attorney. how many, meaning of these stories, did you coordinate with a presidential candidate for the benefit o
but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to...
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karen mcdougal was doing. in other words, was she sufficiently happy to keep others quiet? when she wasn't, at a point in time after she had sued the "enquirer" and wanted to be released from her non-disclosure agreement, trump was furious to see the interview with anderson cooper. pecker recounted that information, as well, willie. >> it's interesting. shorthand for this trial for some has been the stomy daniels hush money case, but karen mcdougal was the focus yesterday. $150,000 that mr. pecker says he paid. hired her for a job. it was kind of a no-show job as a fitness writer, something like that. how does karen mcdougal factor into this case? how central is she? >> karen mcdougal is not central to the crime itself. remember, again, the manhattan d.a. has charged donald trump with falsification of business records. but what makes it a felony, according to the d.a., is that those business records were falsified with the intent to either commit or conceal a crime. they have now elaborated on that theory. bas
karen mcdougal was doing. in other words, was she sufficiently happy to keep others quiet? when she wasn't, at a point in time after she had sued the "enquirer" and wanted to be released from her non-disclosure agreement, trump was furious to see the interview with anderson cooper. pecker recounted that information, as well, willie. >> it's interesting. shorthand for this trial for some has been the stomy daniels hush money case, but karen mcdougal was the focus yesterday....
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the day ended on the deal ami cut with playboy model karen mcdougal, who got $150,000 after pitching a story of her own. a year-long affair with trump, which she alleges and he denies. today, absolutely felt like a day to set up cohen's own testimony and to make the point which they did with exhibits on the big screens in the courtroom that what pecker is bringing to the table is not just stories about his favorite tabloid cover subject but also physical receipts. and it's only just the beginning, as the prosecution hasn't even gotten to the stormy daniels part of the story yet. joining me is neal katyal, former acting solicitor general and msnbc analyst. katie phang, trial attorney and host of the katie phang show right here on msnbc, who was at the courtroom with me today. and brian stelter, vanity fair special correspondent and author of the book of network lies. thank you all for being here. because you are at a disadvantage, our friend neal, i'm going to go to you first. what were you impressions today? >> first, i want to say katie's coverage of the trial live has been so spect
the day ended on the deal ami cut with playboy model karen mcdougal, who got $150,000 after pitching a story of her own. a year-long affair with trump, which she alleges and he denies. today, absolutely felt like a day to set up cohen's own testimony and to make the point which they did with exhibits on the big screens in the courtroom that what pecker is bringing to the table is not just stories about his favorite tabloid cover subject but also physical receipts. and it's only just the...
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a second one, a woman named karen mcdougal who said she had an affair with john. they paid her to not tell about the story. there was the third one, stormy daniels. by this point, the inquirer was willing to make arrangements for her to be paid, to be quiet about that story. at that point they were not willing to put up additional money. michael cohen put up the money for that. the prosecutors explain this to the jury and then he says, prosecutor colangelo,, quote, cohen made the payment donald trump's direction benefit. he did it with the goal of influencing the outcome of the election. look, no politician wants bad press. the evidence at trial show it was not spinner communication strategy. it was a planned coordinated long-running conspiracy to influence the election, to help donald trump get elected through illegal expenditures. to silence people put something bad to say about his behavior using doctored corporate records and bank forms to conceal those payments along the way. it was election fraud pure and simple. we will never know if this conspiracy was the
a second one, a woman named karen mcdougal who said she had an affair with john. they paid her to not tell about the story. there was the third one, stormy daniels. by this point, the inquirer was willing to make arrangements for her to be paid, to be quiet about that story. at that point they were not willing to put up additional money. michael cohen put up the money for that. the prosecutors explain this to the jury and then he says, prosecutor colangelo,, quote, cohen made the payment donald...
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meaning how is karen mcdougal. david pecker said he told trump in response thing for going fine, that she was staying quiet. david pecker says trump asked about her again that summer when he invited david pecker to come to the white house. david pecker says trump asked him, "how is karen doing?" he says he told trump she's quiet, everything is going good. david pecker said that he finally had to put his foot down on any additional payments for trump because trump was not paying him back like he said he would , first for a doorman from a trump party, who made a wild claim about a supposed it trump love child, then for karen mcdougal. again, david pecker expected to be paid back by trump for that payment. trump did not pay him back. this is from a reporter's notes from the trial today. david pecker told his editor, "we already pay $30,000.00 to doorman. we paid $150,000 ever since two karen mcdougal. i am not a bank. we are not paying out any further disbursements . david pecker testified he ultimately suggested trum
meaning how is karen mcdougal. david pecker said he told trump in response thing for going fine, that she was staying quiet. david pecker says trump asked about her again that summer when he invited david pecker to come to the white house. david pecker says trump asked him, "how is karen doing?" he says he told trump she's quiet, everything is going good. david pecker said that he finally had to put his foot down on any additional payments for trump because trump was not paying him...
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that's karen mcdougal. let me show you some of karen mcdougal in her own words about how in her experience and her view, how connected she was to donald trump. >> as you enter a relationship, you start to think about where this is going to go and how you feel. how did you view it? how did you view the relationship? >> you know, going through it, when i look back where i was back then, i know it's wrong. i really sorry for that. i know it's the wrong thing to do. but back in those days -- sorry. >> it's okay. back there that day, i was a different girl. i had fun. i was in the playboy scene. i was just enjoying life as much as i could. when i got with him, there was a real relationship there. there were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just him. there was a real relationship there. i kind of, out of sight, out of mind, with everything else. i did have a lot of guilt but i still continued. >> you believe that he had real feelings for you? >> of course he did. i know he did. >> he woul
that's karen mcdougal. let me show you some of karen mcdougal in her own words about how in her experience and her view, how connected she was to donald trump. >> as you enter a relationship, you start to think about where this is going to go and how you feel. how did you view it? how did you view the relationship? >> you know, going through it, when i look back where i was back then, i know it's wrong. i really sorry for that. i know it's the wrong thing to do. but back in those...
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stormy daniels, karen mcdougal, and this doorman who has this story of donald trump fathering a child unwed, which apparently isn't true. that's number one. number two, they're going to attack his opponents in the 2016 election, ted cruz, marco rubio, and number three, they're going to promote good stories. we're hearing now from david pecker at the end of trial today, he's going into this emails. he has two emails. a number of telephones. we're going to start hearing these communications, texts, emails. it's the documentation, the checks, all of that that will back him up, and as danny said, he could be as important a witness as michael cohen. >> so thank you for being here, you were in sdny. i'm going to bring our off the record conversation during the break online. the issue here is that michael cohen was prosecuted by the southern district of new york, where you used to work. but the southern district of new york could not prosecute trump at the time, he was a part of the conspiracy. he's named in the cohen indictment, right? >> individual one. >> individual one, but he was presid
stormy daniels, karen mcdougal, and this doorman who has this story of donald trump fathering a child unwed, which apparently isn't true. that's number one. number two, they're going to attack his opponents in the 2016 election, ted cruz, marco rubio, and number three, they're going to promote good stories. we're hearing now from david pecker at the end of trial today, he's going into this emails. he has two emails. a number of telephones. we're going to start hearing these communications,...
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did that apply to karen mcdougal as well? yes. did he ever say he was currently -- concerned about his family? no." lisa rubin was in the courtroom, today. we don't have a proper transcript yet so we are piecing this together. the way that we cut and paste that together, is that true to what it felt like in courtroom proceedings today? >> it was to what it felt like but there were also a number of other explosive moments and to my mind, the biggest thing was david admission that he understood the payment to karen mcdougal was an unlawful campaign contribution and he understood that in real time, not after the fact. how? his own entanglement with arnold schwarzenegger, who was then going to be running for governor of california. he had a catch and kill scheme of his own with arnold schwarzenegger, who had been on the cover of two magazines that david pecker was acquiring, 70 or 80 times. the owner of this magazines said before we close these deals, you have to talk to arnold. arnold said, i'm a big deal with these magazines and i w
did that apply to karen mcdougal as well? yes. did he ever say he was currently -- concerned about his family? no." lisa rubin was in the courtroom, today. we don't have a proper transcript yet so we are piecing this together. the way that we cut and paste that together, is that true to what it felt like in courtroom proceedings today? >> it was to what it felt like but there were also a number of other explosive moments and to my mind, the biggest thing was david admission that he...
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the prosecution turned to the hush money payment to karen mcdougal, a model who says she had an affair with trump. pecker recalled during this time cohen instructed him to use the messaging app signal instead of regular phones because it's encrypted and messages would be destroyed. and the d.a. has evidence that trump knew, trump knew all about this. a recording by cohen discussing the macdougal payment through david pecker. >> court will resume on thursday with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well, it was smart, katie, and i am reminded that it was you who first said that you thought david pecker would be a great kickoff witness. i think that'
the prosecution turned to the hush money payment to karen mcdougal, a model who says she had an affair with trump. pecker recalled during this time cohen instructed him to use the messaging app signal instead of regular phones because it's encrypted and messages would be destroyed. and the d.a. has evidence that trump knew, trump knew all about this. a recording by cohen discussing the macdougal payment through david pecker. >> court will resume on thursday with more testimony from david...
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we paid $150,000 to karen mcdougal, i am not a bank. we're not epeeing out any further dispersements. pecker testified he ultimately suggested trump himself should be the one to pay for the third catch and kill payment on trump's behalf, the one for stormy daniels. that gets us to the most important part of david pecker's testimony, which is why trump was so concerned about keeping these negative stories about himself quiet. this is important because paying someone hush money, paying someone to not say a distasteful thing about you is not a crime. prosecutors are alleging that the hush money payments in this case were used to influence the election. they were an illegal contribution to trump's campaign, and then they say trump covered up the payments by creating false records to make them look like legal fees. again, from our reporters notes today, steinglass, prosecutor, did you ever have any intention of printing karen mcdougal's story about mr. trump. pecker, no we did not. steinglass, was your purpose to influence the election? >> y
we paid $150,000 to karen mcdougal, i am not a bank. we're not epeeing out any further dispersements. pecker testified he ultimately suggested trump himself should be the one to pay for the third catch and kill payment on trump's behalf, the one for stormy daniels. that gets us to the most important part of david pecker's testimony, which is why trump was so concerned about keeping these negative stories about himself quiet. this is important because paying someone hush money, paying someone to...
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whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was -- he was very, very concerned about it. >> that will forever be in my trump is daddy phase. this is, again, part of the story we didn't know, right. what we knew is what was public. let me read from the transcripts of how the women and the mission of silences the women took shape. brag's team, you mentioned women in particular, did you raise that or someone else? pecker, in a presidential campaign, i was a person that thought there would be a lot of woman who could come out to try to sell their stories baz trump was well-known as the most eligible bachelor. and this is why he'll never attack him and the most beautiful women and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office, it is very common for these women to call up magazine like the "national enquirer" and try to sell there stoyeries. what about bill and hillary clinton coming up? i was running hillary clinton as an enabler with bill clinton and it was easy to say i keep running
whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was -- he was very, very concerned about it. >> that will forever be in my trump is daddy phase. this is, again, part of the story we didn't know, right. what we knew is what was public. let me read from the transcripts of how the women and the mission of silences the women took shape. brag's team, you mentioned women in particular, did you raise that or someone else? pecker, in a presidential campaign, i was a person that thought there...
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pecker, that your purpose in lob -- locking up the karen mcdougal story is to influence the election? that's trying to bring it back to the connection to the elections since during cross-examination he was certainly acknowledging he had a longstanding relationship with the tabloid and that there were years and years before the campaign when they were both promoting trump's interests and covering up embarrassing stories. >> the prosecution has to do everything that he can to bring it back to -- it makes this case a felony, that donald trump conspired to promote his election by unlawful means. if they allow the defense to create reasonable doubt in that one juror, this was business as usual, this is what donald trump did with pecker, even before the election, this is what they do, where is the illegalness in this? the prosecution -- this is the first witness. we have a long way to go. in their summation, the prosecutors have to connect all the dots and explain to this jury why they have proven that donald trump concealed a crime when he falsified the business records. if they don't prov
pecker, that your purpose in lob -- locking up the karen mcdougal story is to influence the election? that's trying to bring it back to the connection to the elections since during cross-examination he was certainly acknowledging he had a longstanding relationship with the tabloid and that there were years and years before the campaign when they were both promoting trump's interests and covering up embarrassing stories. >> the prosecution has to do everything that he can to bring it back...
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in the case of karen mcdougal, they had a contract with her and that was according to david pecker solely to keep her story off the market but she did in signing that get other things with the agreement. she got, you know, she would have a column, she would get on the cover of a magazine. david pecker said that was all window dressing for the payment to keep her quiet but donald trump's lawyers will say that contract was actually legitimate and payment for services. that will come down to what the crime is. what was that payment, wasn't legal or not? >> you have the hush money case in new york and then you have before the supreme court the argument over presidential immunity. it's easy to talk about those in silos, but you say they are connected. >> they are connected because they are asking the courts, juries, and the country, is donald trump above the law. in the hush money case, you have a person who repeatedly attack potential wishes is that he is under a gag order. unlike any other defendant, he has not seen any repercussions. the prosecutors want a big fine. they don't want jail tim
in the case of karen mcdougal, they had a contract with her and that was according to david pecker solely to keep her story off the market but she did in signing that get other things with the agreement. she got, you know, she would have a column, she would get on the cover of a magazine. david pecker said that was all window dressing for the payment to keep her quiet but donald trump's lawyers will say that contract was actually legitimate and payment for services. that will come down to what...
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trump asked about karen mcdougal situation and thanked him for it. comey spoke out about all of this. take a listen. ou >> i was alone with the president of the united states. or the president-elect soon to be president. i was honestly concerned he might lie about the nature of our meeting so i thought it important to document. >> what we are learning here and what is so striking, nobody knew comey was going to come back up. is how in that one meeting, there were allegedly at least two different violations. one federal that comey was talking about. the president-elect was talking up his tabloid deal. now at the center of the trial. you can see on that screen there, so, a lot we are learning and this is just the first week of testimony. we'll be right back. of testim. we'll be right back. after advil: let's dive in! but...what about your back? it's fineeeeeeee! [splash] before advil: advil dual action fights pain two ways. advil targets pain at the source, acetaminophen blocks pain signals. advil dual action. business. it's not a nine-to-five proposit
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then it takes you over to karen mcdougal. those 22 who are released from their confidentiality agreement after the election. what the defense will stay in final argument is that has nothing to do with this case, absolutely nothing. because, remember, what the defense needs in final argument is not logic. they are not trying to take you through a flawlessly logical stories, they are just trying to tug at any little doubt they can find, anywhere. and, they will lean in final argument on that agreement, in that courtroom, that that guy who told "the national enquirer" donald trump illegitimately fathered a child was not telling the truth, wasn't telling the truth, just like stormy daniels wasn't telling the truth about donald trump. donald trump gets hustled by these people all the time and we have to deal with them in different ways. donald trump has said publicly this happens to every man, every man, that includes you, chris hayes, every man who is public. every man in the public eye is constantly paying off tens of thousands,
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after they left, trump asked about the karen mcdougal situation and thanked him for it. comey spoke out about all this. take a listen. >> i was alone with the president of the united states. or the president-elect, soon to be president. i was honestly concerned he might lie about the nature of our meeting so i thought it really important to document. >> he did document that meeting. it was one of the many things he told congress and later investigators about. what we're learning here and what's so striking because you never know what you're going to learn at trial, nobody knew comey would come back up, is how in that one meeting there were allegedly at least two different violations, one federal that comey was talking about and then the reason it got brought up here, because the then president elect was also talking up his tabloid deal that's now at the center of a trial over whether or not he broke campaign finance laws. you can see on the screen other people in the room. so a lot that we're learning and this is just the first week of testimony. we'll be right back. to
after they left, trump asked about the karen mcdougal situation and thanked him for it. comey spoke out about all this. take a listen. >> i was alone with the president of the united states. or the president-elect, soon to be president. i was honestly concerned he might lie about the nature of our meeting so i thought it really important to document. >> he did document that meeting. it was one of the many things he told congress and later investigators about. what we're learning...
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mcdougal and stormy daniels were standard operating procedure. the second witness, donald trump's former executive assistant, monograph, provided testimony that she entered karen mcdougal's and stormy daniels contact information to the trump organization database. third, we had gary ferro, former manager at first republic bank, which prosecutors say michael: used to obtain a $130,000 home equity loan which michael cohen later funneled to stormy daniels through a shell company. friday, he authenticated bank records which prosecutors showed to jurors. that testimony will continue in trial resumes tuesday morning. prosecutors are using his testimony to authenticate documents related to the transaction. that testimony continues when the trial resumes tuesday morning. judge merchan announced a gag order hearing will take place thursday, to hear new arguments about all of the alleged violations that donald trump has committed this week. leaving off our discussion, we were in the courtroom and will be every day of the trial. a fellow at security and the
mcdougal and stormy daniels were standard operating procedure. the second witness, donald trump's former executive assistant, monograph, provided testimony that she entered karen mcdougal's and stormy daniels contact information to the trump organization database. third, we had gary ferro, former manager at first republic bank, which prosecutors say michael: used to obtain a $130,000 home equity loan which michael cohen later funneled to stormy daniels through a shell company. friday, he...
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karen -- catherine, it is not karen mcdougal, not stormy daniels, but this allegation by a doorman at the trump tower, later found to be completely untrue that donald trump had fathered a child out of wedlock. and david pecker said, dino, they call him dino the doorman, was in the market selling a story that donald trump fathered an illegitimate girl with a maid. better that perhaps than reacting in some way to, again, another salacious allegation or something that at the time could have threatened his run for president. >> true or not, you're right. >> what do you make of the fact that trump is keeping calm? for now? >> important for now. he should be. it is okay to, like, you know, be upset if a witness testifies and if you're, like, you're a defendant, i'm innocent and that's not true. but that he's just calm, closing his eyes, i don't think he's sleeping, people said he's asleep, that's fine. you just want him to sit there and be quiet. >> where does this go from here? we only got let's see about 45 more minutes before they got to call it a day. >> right, well, there are go to be
karen -- catherine, it is not karen mcdougal, not stormy daniels, but this allegation by a doorman at the trump tower, later found to be completely untrue that donald trump had fathered a child out of wedlock. and david pecker said, dino, they call him dino the doorman, was in the market selling a story that donald trump fathered an illegitimate girl with a maid. better that perhaps than reacting in some way to, again, another salacious allegation or something that at the time could have...
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karen mcdougal not only physical addresses but also phone numbers, and then a cell phone number for, quote, stormy. and this is the most significant here is that she said that she had, quote, vague recollection that stormy daniels who she knew was an adult film star, she has a, quote, vague recollection about her appearing at one point before the 2016 elections inside of the trump tower offices. what exactly does that mean? it is not clear. but she is currently answering questions here from the prosecution she is also confirming contacts that she was the assistant to donald trump, somebody who just almost always with him at trump tower was able to confirm the records that she was keeping on his behalf as well as documents. already they are having her verify e-mails between her and the executive assistant in 2017 to donald trump at the white house helping her essentially transition with somebody to serving in the formal capacity inside the white house. this is notable that she is confirming that she did keep documents and phone numbers as well as an address for karen mcdougal and phon
karen mcdougal not only physical addresses but also phone numbers, and then a cell phone number for, quote, stormy. and this is the most significant here is that she said that she had, quote, vague recollection that stormy daniels who she knew was an adult film star, she has a, quote, vague recollection about her appearing at one point before the 2016 elections inside of the trump tower offices. what exactly does that mean? it is not clear. but she is currently answering questions here from the...
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the contact information for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. why is that on the trump organization database? that will come into play later. we are starting to see the custodial records behind this byzantine way of funneling $130,000 in hush money to stormy daniels through a shell company and a lawyer and we are getting into the weeds on that and that is the jurors last impression. >> the issue with a story like this is that there is no question that it is very unusual how this $130,000 was handled, how these things happen, and some of that in itself is a violation of the way books have to be kept and records have to be kept. what is the challenge for the prosecution? they will probably be able to demonstrate that effectively, but ultimately having the jurors believe that this was in fact in furtherance of a different thing and that was to conceal something from voters that might have made them make a different decision. how difficult is that? >> you put your finger right on it. as the week started there were two dramatic competing visions in t
the contact information for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. why is that on the trump organization database? that will come into play later. we are starting to see the custodial records behind this byzantine way of funneling $130,000 in hush money to stormy daniels through a shell company and a lawyer and we are getting into the weeds on that and that is the jurors last impression. >> the issue with a story like this is that there is no question that it is very unusual how this $130,000...
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she confirmed contacts were saved on the company's computer system for karen mcdougal and stormy daniels, and prosecutors say both women were shopping stories of affairs with mr. trump ahead of the 2016 election , encounters that he denies. at the heart of the case, $130,000 payment that michael cohen made to daniels so she would not go public, and how prosecutors say that payment was disguised. she testified that even though she no longer works for the trump organization, the company is paying her legal bills. the jury also heard from a former banker and first republic bank employee who helped to facilitate the payment , but the day began with the defense team seeking to undercut testimony of david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, and a key witness for prosecutors , testifying at length about how he helped to silence people who could have hurt mr. trump's election chances. trump's lawyers sought to raise questions about david memory and motive. david pecker was defined at one point, saying "i've been truthful to the best of my recollection ." the tabloid mogul also
she confirmed contacts were saved on the company's computer system for karen mcdougal and stormy daniels, and prosecutors say both women were shopping stories of affairs with mr. trump ahead of the 2016 election , encounters that he denies. at the heart of the case, $130,000 payment that michael cohen made to daniels so she would not go public, and how prosecutors say that payment was disguised. she testified that even though she no longer works for the trump organization, the company is paying...
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mcdougal to cover up her own story. according to testimony, one of his with the understanding that she wanted somebody to purchase the affair. he contacted michael cohen and insisted on communication through an encrypted app. increasingly agitated as the editor first to that mcdougall's story with single quote, he kept on calling and each time he called he seemed more anxious adding, quote, i assumed he had the conversation esther trump and mr. trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her story and her silence but, here's the asterisk, which is great, trump was supposed to repa
mcdougal to cover up her own story. according to testimony, one of his with the understanding that she wanted somebody to purchase the affair. he contacted michael cohen and insisted on communication through an encrypted app. increasingly agitated as the editor first to that mcdougall's story with single quote, he kept on calling and each time he called he seemed more anxious adding, quote, i assumed he had the conversation esther trump and mr. trump was asking michael cohen did we hear...
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. >> david pecker acknowledged he did this catch and kill with karen mcdougal for the benefit of the truck campaign. >> they spent hours trying to trip them up, catch them in contributions. >> he grabs and president donald 's former executive assistant described as a gatekeeper, his right hand, and lawyers are being paid for by president donald . >> you heard that word gatekeeper. he has gatekeepers and allies and friends that are talking under oath and the da is getting details out of them to bolster the opening argument. where the jury was told cases about a criminal conspiracy and a cover-up. david pecker has been admitting that. he recounts his dealing with the star witness michael cohen to buy in and bury stories, in order to protect president donald 's campaign. they allege an agreement to then hide financial footprints. they told the jury this will also be corroborated with evidence in , the defendant's own words, showing an illegal conspiracy. he said there is not an actual conspiracy charge in this case. that is true. the word conspiracy has a legal meaning and a more colloq
. >> david pecker acknowledged he did this catch and kill with karen mcdougal for the benefit of the truck campaign. >> they spent hours trying to trip them up, catch them in contributions. >> he grabs and president donald 's former executive assistant described as a gatekeeper, his right hand, and lawyers are being paid for by president donald . >> you heard that word gatekeeper. he has gatekeepers and allies and friends that are talking under oath and the da is getting...
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mcdougal, to keep her affair with trump quiet. packer said he coordinated with colin, because they concerned -- worried that paying mcdougall could violate campaign finance laws so they worked out a deal, adding that he believed trump was aware of the payment. the prosecution asked david pecker, was a principal purpose to suppress your story so as not to influence the election? transition responded "yes it was." >> with peter baker, mike joseph stern, and joyce vance with us. let's start with the fact that the day began before david pecker got back on the stand with the manhattan d.a.s office saying that there are four alleged violations, brand-new ones, of the expanded gag order that judge merchan is setting a hearing on for next thursday. we don't have a ruling from the first motion for contempt, so what's the delay from judge merchan? we have four new violations now. >> we do. we have ongoing violations and the issue that the judge faces is either this gag order has teeth and he will enforce it, or it does not in which case, do
mcdougal, to keep her affair with trump quiet. packer said he coordinated with colin, because they concerned -- worried that paying mcdougall could violate campaign finance laws so they worked out a deal, adding that he believed trump was aware of the payment. the prosecution asked david pecker, was a principal purpose to suppress your story so as not to influence the election? transition responded "yes it was." >> with peter baker, mike joseph stern, and joyce vance with us....
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karen mcdougal is expected to testify. a doorman apparently had information that turned out to be false about trump's love child. i think it's damaging for the former president who's going to use the sergeant schultz defense, i know nothing. >> you look at how the prosecutors are going to paint a picture after the "access hollywood" case comes out. i was covering him at that point. people were freaking out. they thought it was over for trump. they didn't want it to get any worse. >>> i have one legal moment. looking ahead later this week to thursday, there's a case with big implications in the supreme court. they'll take up trump's immunity claims. litz cheney is out with a new op-ed this morning, do this quickly. why does speed matter here? >> it matters because the case that poses the greatest existential threat to donald trump's freedom is the d.c. election interference case in front of judge chutkan who wants this case to go, but she can't let it go until the supreme court finishes with this appeal. the longer they dra
karen mcdougal is expected to testify. a doorman apparently had information that turned out to be false about trump's love child. i think it's damaging for the former president who's going to use the sergeant schultz defense, i know nothing. >> you look at how the prosecutors are going to paint a picture after the "access hollywood" case comes out. i was covering him at that point. people were freaking out. they thought it was over for trump. they didn't want it to get any...
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that august, 2015 meeting that you talked about and the phone call during 2016 about karen mcdougal having been vetted and what trump wanted to know about the conversation. i to assume there are a lot more conversations and the prosecution is going to elicit testimony about them in the ensuing days. >> i thought the most relevant thing to watch was the ongoing dichotomy going on inside the courtroom and outside the courtroom. i think it came into relief really at the beginning of the day when there was a hearing about whether donald trump would be held in contempt for some of the things he said on truth social about witnesses and even about a juror. todd blanche, the guy that i profiled in this story, got up and said that a client has a right to talk about the two systems of justice that have been shown in the courtroom and i think this is something that we will see a lot. donald trump if he can win an acquittal or a mistrial, that's great for him, but he is running against the system. >> a follow-up on that, we will talk about this in a second in greater detail, but he says he is doing hi
that august, 2015 meeting that you talked about and the phone call during 2016 about karen mcdougal having been vetted and what trump wanted to know about the conversation. i to assume there are a lot more conversations and the prosecution is going to elicit testimony about them in the ensuing days. >> i thought the most relevant thing to watch was the ongoing dichotomy going on inside the courtroom and outside the courtroom. i think it came into relief really at the beginning of the day...
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rhona graff confirming contacts were saved on the company's computer system for karen mcdougal and >>>, an apparent reference to stormy daniels. prosecutors say both women were shopping stories of with mr. trump ahead of the 2016 election, encounters he denies. at the heart of the case, a $130,000.00 payment michael cohen made to daniels so she wouldn't go public and how prosecutors say that payment was disguised. but, rhona graff said no light on that, testifying even though she no longer works for the trump organization, the company is in her legal bills. the jury also hearing from gary farro, a former banker at first republic bank, who helped facilitate the payment from michael cohen to daniels. the day began with the defense team seeking to undercut the testimony of david pecker, the former publisher of "the national enquirer", and a key witness for prosecutors, testifying at length about how he helped simon's people who could have hurt esther trumps election sentence. mr. trumps lawyer sought to raise questions about david memory and motives on cross- examination. david pecker, d
rhona graff confirming contacts were saved on the company's computer system for karen mcdougal and >>>, an apparent reference to stormy daniels. prosecutors say both women were shopping stories of with mr. trump ahead of the 2016 election, encounters he denies. at the heart of the case, a $130,000.00 payment michael cohen made to daniels so she wouldn't go public and how prosecutors say that payment was disguised. but, rhona graff said no light on that, testifying even though she no...
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mcdougal, these were unusual, they were much larger payments. the limit previously for celebrity stories were 10,000, now you're talking 100,000. far more than usual and pecker testified this didn't benefit the "national enquirer." it would have benefitted us to publish the story. to catch and kill them, he testified it benefitted the trump campaign and trump as well, but all you need from the prosecution's standpoint is that there was a benefit to the campaign to meet that element of the offense. so that was critical testimony from david pecker so far. >> and so pecker said essentially he had agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for trump, again, publishing stories that would boost trump while hurt his opponents in the 2016 election. we have a few of the headlines here, ted cruz caught cheating with five secret mistresses. hillary clinton's satanic inner circle. those headlines are obviously salacious, and they're clearly not true. given that david pecker was behind the scenes doing all that, pumping out these lies, what does that do for his cr
mcdougal, these were unusual, they were much larger payments. the limit previously for celebrity stories were 10,000, now you're talking 100,000. far more than usual and pecker testified this didn't benefit the "national enquirer." it would have benefitted us to publish the story. to catch and kill them, he testified it benefitted the trump campaign and trump as well, but all you need from the prosecution's standpoint is that there was a benefit to the campaign to meet that element of...
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mcdougal. it does say in this agreement that ami technologist that the principal purpose of entering into the agreement with michael cohen and donald trump was to suppress karen mcdougal's story so as to prevent it from influencing the election. this is somatically the theory as well of the prosecution, is it not ? >> it is. that is what the prosecution has to prove to convert the simple misdemeanor of false business records and the felony crime of creating false business records in order to conceal or eight in the commission of another crime. and, i think, katie, it is worth peeling back the curtain a little bit here to talk about what is going on behind the scenes with david pecker. not only is there an agreement with "the national enquirer", he's also testifying pursuant to a grant of immunity. the way that works is prosecutors tell him if you testifying and if you tell the truth, you won't be prosecuted. but, if you take the witness stand and you line, you are subject to prosecution for eve
mcdougal. it does say in this agreement that ami technologist that the principal purpose of entering into the agreement with michael cohen and donald trump was to suppress karen mcdougal's story so as to prevent it from influencing the election. this is somatically the theory as well of the prosecution, is it not ? >> it is. that is what the prosecution has to prove to convert the simple misdemeanor of false business records and the felony crime of creating false business records in order...
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mcdougal and he never got reimbursed. never got paid back by donald trump, even though it was for his benefit and the benefit of the campaign. but then at the end, david pecker has to say i have no hard feelings for mr. trump. i thought he was my mentor. i felt like , peter, david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps on grafting and he completely dupes his followers. but then they sit there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial so far has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, you know, it reminds me of a story i was told once by a new yorker his parents work for donald trump as contractors. we all know that donald trump is not always very good about paying the contractors. i said this person, did he pay your parents? he said no, he didn't. discussed that i had to sue him to get their money. i said okay. he said well, i got $.50 on the dollar back. but you know what? they voted for trump. i said why would th
mcdougal and he never got reimbursed. never got paid back by donald trump, even though it was for his benefit and the benefit of the campaign. but then at the end, david pecker has to say i have no hard feelings for mr. trump. i thought he was my mentor. i felt like , peter, david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps on grafting and he completely dupes his followers. but then they sit there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial so far has been...
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he also talk about a conversation on the phone with donald trump when karen mcdougal surfaced. michael has told me about karen, what do you think? we know from david pecker's beginning testimony he talked to trump once he became a candidate at least once a week by phone and saw him in person once a month. what's notable about that, he saw and talked to trump more after he became a candidate than he did before. usually when people run for president of the united states and become a pay jar party nomination they have less time for the other people in their life as they're blanketing the trail. >> the check book journalism that was laid out in full display in the courtroom. definitely when i was growing up, you're younger, going to the grocery store with my mom there was national enquirer, crazy pictures of famous people and crazy stories, is the theme here is that enquirer could move the meter on the way people think, do people see this as journalism, is this surprising to the jury. >> one of the most disturbing parts as a journalist of this case to me, david pecker's description
he also talk about a conversation on the phone with donald trump when karen mcdougal surfaced. michael has told me about karen, what do you think? we know from david pecker's beginning testimony he talked to trump once he became a candidate at least once a week by phone and saw him in person once a month. what's notable about that, he saw and talked to trump more after he became a candidate than he did before. usually when people run for president of the united states and become a pay jar party...
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typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the boss will be very angry if you release her from the nondisclosure deal. or this will please the boss. as to the general tenor of the things. and if trump's defense is that essentially he didn't know what was going on, he had more important things to worry about, having the jury hear the boss again and again and again, a dozen times, doesn't help his case. there was a fascinating moment when the jury saw after trump was elected, trump in the white house with david pecker , at trump's invitation. his dinner, trump put it. and this was the conversation that they had. >> this photograph was entered into evidence today. >> yes. the jury was looking at this photograph when david pecker was narrating, and i have the transept in front of me. did the subject of karen mcdougal, but all? at the time of the dinner, mr. trump asked me to join him, just moving on to the transcript, that how is karen doing, that is what trump said. >> this is after karen has been paid off, he is still wondering
typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the boss will be very angry if you release her from the nondisclosure deal. or this will please the boss. as to the general tenor of the things. and if trump's defense is that essentially he didn't know what was going on, he had more important things to worry about, having the jury hear the boss again and again and again, a dozen times, doesn't help his case. there was a fascinating moment when the jury saw after trump was...
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reimbursed karen mcdougal -- i should say ami for that $150,000 payment. mcdougal's story is important because it shows this was a part of a greater conspiracy, a greater scheme that extended beyond just stormy daniels. i also want to give everybody a little color of what is happening inside right now as this opening statement from the prosecution continues. we're expecting it to last about 40 minutes. donald trump is actively writing on pieces of paper per our laura jarrett and katie phang and passing them to two of his attorneys, one who is reading them and putting them in his jacket pocket. they're preparing to deliver their opening statements right after the prosecution concludes here. but also inside of the courtroom, alvin bragg is sitting in the first row, the district attorney. he was not in the courtroom during jury selection. trump's seen your aide, jason miller is also inside the room. our laura jarrett also explains matthew colangelo, explaining confidently, relaxed, hands in pockets. he knows the facts. trump, meanwhile, sitting virtually emot
reimbursed karen mcdougal -- i should say ami for that $150,000 payment. mcdougal's story is important because it shows this was a part of a greater conspiracy, a greater scheme that extended beyond just stormy daniels. i also want to give everybody a little color of what is happening inside right now as this opening statement from the prosecution continues. we're expecting it to last about 40 minutes. donald trump is actively writing on pieces of paper per our laura jarrett and katie phang and...
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it was a year later when karen mcdougal's story, the former playboy model who alleged a ten-month affair with donald trump, and stanlsz who had an alleged one-night affair with donald trump, ultimately those stories were bought either by ami or through michael cohen before the 2016 election. the opening statements really laid the foundation for both sides about where they intend to take this trial. for the d.a.'s side, they made it clear they are going to call up stormy daniels and michael cohen and paint a construct of a conspiracy, a long-hatched conspiracy to protect donald trump politically from damaging stories, and one that included an acknowledgment by donald trump that he would eventually reimburse michael cohen as he ended up doing in 2017. for the defense's part, the defense made it clear that they intend to make donald trump much more of a sympathetic figure, larger than life in their words, someone who shouldn't have been charged in the first place because todd blanche said, he did not commit a crime. he is innocent. i want to read you one quote from todd blanche. quote, pres
it was a year later when karen mcdougal's story, the former playboy model who alleged a ten-month affair with donald trump, and stanlsz who had an alleged one-night affair with donald trump, ultimately those stories were bought either by ami or through michael cohen before the 2016 election. the opening statements really laid the foundation for both sides about where they intend to take this trial. for the d.a.'s side, they made it clear they are going to call up stormy daniels and michael...
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.>> and created the payments for karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. so do we actually get to a first witness tomorrow. >> i think if we've seen anything in judge juan merchan's attempt to keep this under control, we got a jury in three days and he is set to get this case done in the six week time frame. they will break early for passover. so it's possible we get to the first witness. >> just to drill down on opening statements, prosecutors say this is about the rule of law and whether or not donald trump broker. his allies struck three hush money deals and stories that could derailed his candidacy. the times says directly linking him to the plot to falsify records is another matter altogether. his lawyers will likely argue he was oblivious and that michael cohen handled the specifics. david, is it difficult to prove this case? would a jury believed that cohen decided to dip into his home equity to give money to stormy daniels? >> i don't think it's difficult to prove this legally. and here's why. the rule for the prosecution's office is you don't brin
.>> and created the payments for karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. so do we actually get to a first witness tomorrow. >> i think if we've seen anything in judge juan merchan's attempt to keep this under control, we got a jury in three days and he is set to get this case done in the six week time frame. they will break early for passover. so it's possible we get to the first witness. >> just to drill down on opening statements, prosecutors say this is about the rule of law and...