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michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are already in unprecedented territory here. but that's not the most important point. the federal case, michael cohen coming clean, saying what happened. that left in its wake not just like a slimy trail of yuck don't let the kids read the news anymore. it left in its wake one legitimately baffling question. which was, wait now, who is getting in trouble for this now? who is the one person getting in trouble for this crime? just michael cohen? really? he is going to federal prison for years and he is the only one? why is he the only one? you kn
michael cohen had receipts to back this up. he brought copies of the checks given to him to reimburse him for making the illegal payment. checks signed in some cases by donald j. trump. many of them signed while trump was in the white house. it was all an amazing spectacle. right? many presidents maybe got involved in a campaign finance scandal. but illegal money paid to two mistresses with one of them signed in the white house? a, gross, b, not your typical presidential scandal. like we are...
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that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i don't know what it matters. i don't get why michael cohen, why his credibility would matter since all of the facts of the money movement he is involved with our established before he opens his mouth. >> so, that is exactly what the state is going to argue in summation. you are going to hear the defense say if that is true, why did they call him? he has a ton of baggage. they are saying they really need him. he can provide evidence about he says donald trump knew that the scheme was to have these false business records. remember everythin
that is michael cohen is a l liar, so what? my response to that is so what in that what do we need to believe michael cohen for ? in order to get to a verdict here, what is the credibility issue i as a juror needed to have with michael cohen? here are the checks, here is the allen weisselberg notes, here's stormy daniels lawyer testifying that michael cohen and i put it all together. there's michael cohen's $130,000.00 going to that lawyer. there's stormy daniels setting i got $130,000.00. er i...
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david pecker testified just a moment ago when he called michael cohen about this fec letter, that michael cohen said in response, quote, jeff sessions is the attorney general and trump has him in his pocket. in that david pecker is saying, let him to question whether michael cohen was somebody who would exaggerate statements, because he knew that donald trump didn't have jeff sessions in his pocket. all of this is an effort here apparently by the defense team for donald trump in front of the jury here to question michael cohen's credibility and the statements who is the key witness before they get to the point that michael cohen's credibility is something they should question. >> are prosecutors trying to establish the payments had a campaign connection? isn't that essential to the -- >> if they can't, there you go. that's going to be the end of the case. i'm not in the courtroom, but i'm reading the -- what we call the google doc. the defense attorney is doing an excellent cross-examination. his job as to this cross is to create reasonable doubt. he is trying to do that. he is simultaneo
david pecker testified just a moment ago when he called michael cohen about this fec letter, that michael cohen said in response, quote, jeff sessions is the attorney general and trump has him in his pocket. in that david pecker is saying, let him to question whether michael cohen was somebody who would exaggerate statements, because he knew that donald trump didn't have jeff sessions in his pocket. all of this is an effort here apparently by the defense team for donald trump in front of the...
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trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her story and her silence but, here's the asterisk, which is great, trump was supposed to repay p ecker, he wasn't just doing this as charity. he was the pass-through, if you will. but trump did what he always does, he stiffed him on the bill $150,000, which is why michael cohen was the one forced to pay stormy daniels out of his own pocket. that, of course, is why trump was ultimately in court today. msnbc legal correspondent wasn't watching from inside the courtroom, andrew rice also in the courtroom today, he is a writer near magazine where he just profil
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that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be attacked and he will be on cross-examination as a convicted felon who really has a passing acquaintance with the truth, other witnesses and other documents will show the jury they can trust the overall story. >> chuck rosenberg, andrew weissmann, vaughn hillyard, thanks so much. we'll be checking back with you later in the program. >>> and as donald trump is in that new york city courtroom with david pecker, of course, on the stand, a central figure in the hush money case, president biden is traveling to florida this hour to
that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be...
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michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the substance of this is what the inquirer did not practice -- did not publish as part of a practice known as catch and kill. culminating in a 2015 meeting -- >> reporter: tonight a person with the matter tells nbc news that candidate trump was in the room when the national enquirer publisher discussed ways that ami could help quash negative stories about mr. trump's relationships with women. >> that was from 2018 when the meeting was first reported. in that meeting in august he told trump through michael cohen that anything i hear in the mar
michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the...
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cohen after michael cohen arranged payouts to stormy daniels, karen mcdougal, to bury their stories of infidelity with trump. those payments are substantiated. they happened. if you told me before the trial that trump and david pecker didn't really realize they were crossing a legal line and breaking campaign finance law, that would have honestly struck me as plausible. there is just one problem with that line of defense, david actual testimony. you see, on tuesday, a prosecutor asked him directly, "did you have any concerns about the legality of ami, paying to kill a story regarding a political candidate ?" david pecker answered, "yes i did." when asked why he had legal concerns, david pecker responded he had an issue when he acquired a story for arnold schwarzenegger. remember that back in 2013 ? arnold schwarzenegger was launching his political career and was concerned about negative press and so he made an arrangement with david pecker to catch and kill those stories. some of those stories got out. on the campaign trail, david pecker says when arnold schwarzenegger was asked abo
cohen after michael cohen arranged payouts to stormy daniels, karen mcdougal, to bury their stories of infidelity with trump. those payments are substantiated. they happened. if you told me before the trial that trump and david pecker didn't really realize they were crossing a legal line and breaking campaign finance law, that would have honestly struck me as plausible. there is just one problem with that line of defense, david actual testimony. you see, on tuesday, a prosecutor asked him...
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one, through the testimony of michael cohen. but i was looking yesterday to hear how else are they going to prove that? they say they have a photograph of the two gentlemen at that meeting. they also have invoices days afterwards. a couple days after that, the first payment to michael cohen. but i was hoping to hear that they have a lot more than that. somebody who was also at the meeting, who overheard the meeting, who placed some of these documents in front of donald trump, heard his comments about that. i didn't hear that yesterday. i'm hoping that we hear prosecutors have a lot more about the back end of the deal as much as they do about the front end of it. >> chuck, what stood out to you? >> i'd agree with lisa but add one thing. circumstances also matter. we often talk about there being direct evidence, maybe conversations or photographs or emails of a transaction, but circumstances matter, too, willie. if you walk out of your house and there's snow on the front lawn, what do you think happened last night? it snowed. you
one, through the testimony of michael cohen. but i was looking yesterday to hear how else are they going to prove that? they say they have a photograph of the two gentlemen at that meeting. they also have invoices days afterwards. a couple days after that, the first payment to michael cohen. but i was hoping to hear that they have a lot more than that. somebody who was also at the meeting, who overheard the meeting, who placed some of these documents in front of donald trump, heard his comments...
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>> no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael cohen is my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> but no, you'll have to michael cohen. there was a million defrn different ways that politicians could avoid or dismiss things but he was still stuck to his blame michael cohen defense. ask him. it was all him. and he went rogue and quickly other lawyers had to come in and start changing the story. we don't know what out of court evidence they'll but using but they are going to take different parts of the timeline, the prosecutors, to show how the story shifted, which in essence is another way that you know was a cover-up. because he had the original thing and they covered it up and then in a sense they started covering up the cover-up. and then trump lawyer rudy giuliani basically went on live tv and changed the story and admitted or said trump did repay cohen. >> they funneled it through a law firm. funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. >> oh, i didn't know, he didn't? there is no campaign finan
>> no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael cohen is my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> but no, you'll have to michael cohen. there was a million defrn different ways that politicians could avoid or dismiss things but he was still stuck to his blame michael cohen defense. ask him. it was all him. and he went rogue and quickly other lawyers had to come in and start changing the story. we don't know what out of court...
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michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard about text messages that went back and forthwith the "national enquirer" when they went out to see karen mcdougal, one of the women who had a relationship with donald trump. they were trying to confirm if the story was true. there was an election night, a pledge that went back and for the between one of the lawyers involved that was representing karen mcdougal. we'll see a lot of that come through. and david pecker was not on the stand for very long. but just hearing the details that we got, the idea that they would, if a story, reporters were given about $10,000 to
michael cohen didn't run for president. michael cohen went to jail. it feels like that is a basic topic sentence under which a lot of these witnesses will be supporting that story and that plot with their testimony. >> right. i think the idea is to almost not quite extract michael cohen but to build the evidence around him. he will probably come at the end in terms of of a witness. even today, i'm still struck by the new information that came out. we'll have narrators throughout. we heard...
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cohen for and understood that without relying entirely on michael cohen? that remains a little bit to be seen. that's part of the case i'm most looking forward to. the most important part of the case because that's the crime as barbara note td, they have to prove that he falsified business records. >> connect those dots. they have to prove that. sam, it was a bit reliving the 2016 campaign yesterday. ted cruz's father being involved somehow in the jfk assassination. to mika's question, whether it's all a joke, we all laughed at those headlines as a kid at the grocery store. there's some element of reliving all this, which is part of what the biden campaign is hoping through all these cases that people will be reminded of how exhausting and how full of lies the trump years, the trump campaign and the trump presidency were. >> yeah, first of all, i'm surprised that maura would slander the publication's good name. they've broken a few amount of alien love child. does mika have a clause in her contract if she mentions david pecker's name a number of times, a b
cohen for and understood that without relying entirely on michael cohen? that remains a little bit to be seen. that's part of the case i'm most looking forward to. the most important part of the case because that's the crime as barbara note td, they have to prove that he falsified business records. >> connect those dots. they have to prove that. sam, it was a bit reliving the 2016 campaign yesterday. ted cruz's father being involved somehow in the jfk assassination. to mika's question,...
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the case is about michael cohen and if you don't believe michael cohen, i think the jury has to acquit. >> it will be interesting to hear and see his influence on this jury and how the prosecutor navigates this potential trap i guess you could say. everybody stay with us. richard, we'll come to you on the other side of another quick break. please stay with us. you're watching our personal coverage here on msnbc. r personl coverage here on msnbc (psst! psst!) ahhh! with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary. spray flonase sensimist daily for non-drowsy long lasting relief in a scent free, gentle mist. flonase all good. also, try our allergy headache and nighttime pills. with schwab investing themes™, it's easy to invest in ideas you believe in. spot a trend in electric vehicles? have a passion for online gaming? or want to explore the space economy? choose from over 40 themes, each with up to 25 stocks identified by our unique algorithm. buy it as-is or customize to align with your goals. all at your fingertips. schwab investing themes. 40 customizable themes. up to 25 stocks in j
the case is about michael cohen and if you don't believe michael cohen, i think the jury has to acquit. >> it will be interesting to hear and see his influence on this jury and how the prosecutor navigates this potential trap i guess you could say. everybody stay with us. richard, we'll come to you on the other side of another quick break. please stay with us. you're watching our personal coverage here on msnbc. r personl coverage here on msnbc (psst! psst!) ahhh! with flonase, allergies...
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let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all that info regarding our friend david. i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay. >> cash? >> no, no, no. >> jill, they're going to try to impeach michael cohen, but cohen i'm sure has more of that. he's on the phone with him saying i need to do the thing i'm accused of doing. >> not only that. one, he's pled guilty. two, they have done a very skillful opening statement. and by calling david pecker as the first witness, they are building the structure that will then lead to the supporting beams and the det
let's pay in cash, and michael cohen goes, no, no, no. >> let me play it. this is michael cohen. this is a 2016 recording. remember, michael cohen he gets a campaign website, a trump campaign website, which he didn't have before. supposed to be his private lawyer. and this is a conversation they have as donald trump is running for president. this is michael cohen talking about buying the rights to karen mcdougal, the former playboy bunny's story. take a listen. >> i need to open up...
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but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please shut up. please just do your testifying in the courtroom, but the prosecutor does not control michael cohen. i'm not sure anyone controls michael cohen. so he's not doing the prosecution that he favors in a way that makes his testimony even more credible. although we know at the same time, that he now des dispiezs trump. with regard to the testimony of cohen, they want to hit it and quit it. >> paul and danny, i don't know what the rest of the trial holds when they reconvene on thursday, but the start of this has been pretty dog gone interesting. thank you both. i'm sure we'll speak again very s
but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please...
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he was individual one was michael cohen came into court and pleaded guilty. donald trump is no stranger to being an unindicted something who is named in a criminal document, whether it be an indictment, a complaint. so is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we're seeing is that it's up to -- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, you know what? this affected our state, our county. the attorneys general can do the same thing. you know, going back to why so long, what was the delay all about, i totally agree with what lisa said. i'd like to add to it. i mean, it is no surprise that prosecutors were probably wait ing around to see who was going to be the first to do it because it is scary. it is scary to indict a former president of the united states because he has and will fight like heck at every level. and losing a case, maybe one of the first cases against a former president, would be a crushing defeat. so, in my view, from a social perspective, it was no surprise that in just the last year, once the first indic
he was individual one was michael cohen came into court and pleaded guilty. donald trump is no stranger to being an unindicted something who is named in a criminal document, whether it be an indictment, a complaint. so is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we're seeing is that it's up to -- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, you know what? this affected our state, our county. the attorneys general can do the same thing. you know, going back to...
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even though he apparently never paid michael cohen this way before, coincidentally after michael cohen on his own volition and for his own reasons decided to take out a home equity line of credit in order to pay a star that he himself never met and never had with, coincidentally after michael cohen just decided to do that out of the goodness of his own heart for his own mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump, quits and that only after that happened, trump decided to start a new way of paying his longtime lawyer that involved $35,000.00 checks he signed in the oval office and it was all a coincidence and not of it had anything to do with the election. maybe. we will see. we are going to talk tonight about what prosecutors said about how they came up with the payment plan to michael cohen. personally, i unintentionally loudly started in court when i heard this, which was not at all polite. it annoyed the person sitting next to me. i will apologize and explain. we will talk about that. we will talk about the first witness, whose name is packer because the news guns l
even though he apparently never paid michael cohen this way before, coincidentally after michael cohen on his own volition and for his own reasons decided to take out a home equity line of credit in order to pay a star that he himself never met and never had with, coincidentally after michael cohen just decided to do that out of the goodness of his own heart for his own mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump, quits and that only after that happened, trump decided to start...
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when did michael cohen post something, when did trump post something? so, and there was, and so, if trump is angling for something, he is going to steer it on his own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us. thank you all very much for joining us in this discussion tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> and coming up, joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida. the president was in florida today. senator elizabeth warren says voters on every state should be concerned about abortion bans. senator warren joins us next. n . febreze has a microchip to control scent release so it smells first-day fresh for 50 days. 50 days!? and its refill reminder light means i'll never miss a day of freshness. ♪ let's get the rest of these plants in. organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it's the martha stewart of soil. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white pro
when did michael cohen post something, when did trump post something? so, and there was, and so, if trump is angling for something, he is going to steer it on his own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us. thank you all very much for joining us in this discussion tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> and coming up, joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida. the president was in florida today. senator elizabeth warren says voters on every...
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the defense is going to try to discredit the main witness, michael cohen. it's going to be harder for other witnesses who are trump loyalists. the reason pecker has been cooperative is because he's under a non-prosecution agreement. he cut a deal with federal prosecutors and has been cooperating with prosecutors ever since. he's a key witness to corroborate michael cohen, but also explain the larger scheme. jurors want to know the why. it's not an element of the crime of falsification of business records, but they want to know the why. that's why he's really important. i also think along the same lines hope hicks will be really important. like david pecker, on the inside, she's someone who doesn't have an axe to grind against donald trump like michael cohen does. that's why there are such key witnesses here. it's going to be harder for the defense to establish bias against people, including hope hicks, who is still in trump's inner circle. >> it will be fascinating. there will be live coverage all day on msnbc. that does it for us this morning. we'll see yo
the defense is going to try to discredit the main witness, michael cohen. it's going to be harder for other witnesses who are trump loyalists. the reason pecker has been cooperative is because he's under a non-prosecution agreement. he cut a deal with federal prosecutors and has been cooperating with prosecutors ever since. he's a key witness to corroborate michael cohen, but also explain the larger scheme. jurors want to know the why. it's not an element of the crime of falsification of...
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michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved notifying mr. cohen about negativetories about women, what was the objective of that. david pecker, as i did in the past, when i notified michael cohen of a negative story, he would try to vet it himself to see if it is true or not and then go to the individual publication to make sure it wasn't getting published an getting killed. brag team, prior to that meeting have you ever purchased atory to the to print it? pecker, no. brag team. and how did that part of it, not publishing the stories help you? pecker, it didn't. crazy. >> fake f
michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved...
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he is completely likable as a witness and also michael cohen. he is not punching back in the same way. he has so many deliverables for this prosecution. >> susanne, on that note about him not being michael cohen, david pecker is someone who talked about idolizing and respecting donald trump to this day. he was someone when they were sitting around, it wasn't just these cases and what we are talking about, he was also writing stories and putting them in the national enquirer about trump's rivals. he seems to be a much better witness than michael cohen who has already been and gone to jail for lying. talk a little bit about that. >> i think it is important that people know that david pecker is a principle here. he was talking to donald trump and another principle . michael cohen is a lawyer that was going out and executing what donald trump wanted. donna trump's lawyers i think will make michael cohen out to be a rope actor but what you saw with david pecker was a principle ahead of the national enquirer talking to his friend donald trump about pl
he is completely likable as a witness and also michael cohen. he is not punching back in the same way. he has so many deliverables for this prosecution. >> susanne, on that note about him not being michael cohen, david pecker is someone who talked about idolizing and respecting donald trump to this day. he was someone when they were sitting around, it wasn't just these cases and what we are talking about, he was also writing stories and putting them in the national enquirer about trump's...
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how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they were different stories. >> well, if you're talking about how this relates back to the election, what we know, and what we knew at the time was that this happened in the context of a very close race with a month or so to go until election day and polls starting to show the race moving away from trump after the first debate with hillary clinton, and so you can really see in the way the campaign reacted to it that, you know, this was something that they were concerned about. people very close to trump thought the race was over. thought he was going to have to drop out. or sort of politely u
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when did michael cohen post something? when did trump post something? and so it shows that if trump is angling for something the judge is going to steer it on its own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us, since there is no trial scheduled for tomorrow. turn 24, andrew weissman, neal katyal, thank you. really appreciate it. >>> joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida where republican a portion abortion ban goes into effect. elizabeth warren says voters should be concerned about abortion bans. senator warren joins us next. a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it's like the feeling of finding you're so ready for your close-up. or finding you don't have to hide your skin just your background. once-daily sotyktu was proven better, getting more people clearer skin than the leading pill. don't take if you're allergic to sotyktu; serious reactions can occur. sotyktu can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections, cancers including lymphoma,
when did michael cohen post something? when did trump post something? and so it shows that if trump is angling for something the judge is going to steer it on its own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us, since there is no trial scheduled for tomorrow. turn 24, andrew weissman, neal katyal, thank you. really appreciate it. >>> joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida where republican a portion abortion ban goes into effect. elizabeth warren says voters...
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michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on both sides of this, but in the context of the trial, what will the jury find as most believable, beyond a reasonable doubt? >> you can certainly almost always make an argument on both sides of any question. the question is can you make a credible argument on both sides? you're playing one audiotape. and it is important. but it is not going to be by itself determinative, chris. it will be important to corroborate what cohen says, it will be important to corroborate what pecker says, and it may corroborate what other pe
michael cohen. so, there is really michael cohen was steering it and our client really just said, the minimal. so, that's what they're going to have to do if that audio, the defense, but clearly the prosecution is going to say, look, detail oriented, micromanager, listen to the tape, it speaks for itself. >> one thing that occurred to me when i listened to this again yesterday, this gets at the heart of beyond a reasonable doubt, right? you can make an argument as catherine just did on...
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and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just materialize overnight. there was litigation. there was motion practice that happened that this indictment survived because a lot of people want to say there's nothing here. there's no there there. donald trump whipping out like a toddler, look at all of my friends saying there's no crime here. well, jonathan turley is not the gold standard for that. so what happened is when you heard the testimony through pecker that there was a conspiracy, and the conspiracy existed with the defendant and michael cohen, and now david pecker, and you heard that the purpose of all of these catch and kill were to insure ther
and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just materialize overnight. there was litigation. there was motion...
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so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose michael cohen, the defendant, donald trump. michael cohen is exactly the kind of guy this you hire to do this kind of scheme, and you frame a weakness and try to fit it back into your broader narrative, that's what i would expect the prosecution to do here. >> there's a point here, i'd like to ask vaughn about that. in the access hollywood tape to the jury, he said he didn't know he was on -- and he's also mentioning hope hicks, so these are some of the characters that we will be -- and incidents that we'll be hearing, even though the video is not going to be shown, but the transcript is available. >>
so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose...
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it wasn't michael cohen. who had sex with stormy daniels, it wasn't michael cohen. who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution has put in a few things about he's a challenging kind of client for that bank guy. pecker thinks he exaggerates. so the jury, i'm sure, is very curious to see this guy. and i think the da's main task, they have laid the tracks well, but they know that cohen is coming. their main task is between hicks, between pecker, and then the paperwork is to corroborate every single hole so at the end of the day, they can get up and say, look, michael cohen, first of all, you can believe him for these reasons, but even if yo
it wasn't michael cohen. who had sex with stormy daniels, it wasn't michael cohen. who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name...
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one of those minions is michael cohen, and this was all michael cohen's show, not donald trump who was mostly in the dark. the people know they're going to explore that as a defense t. they are prebutting it, rebutting it in advance. >> graff is off the stand. no redirect. everything you said, danny, is now moot. >> you didn't have to point it out. >> once again. she's off the stand, they're going to get a third witness today. we're waiting to see who that witness is. we're going to take a quick break. once again, our coverage of donald trump's criminal hush money trial continues in just a moment. inues in just a moment ♪♪ missing out on the things you love because of asthma? get back to better breathing with fasenra, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a parasit
one of those minions is michael cohen, and this was all michael cohen's show, not donald trump who was mostly in the dark. the people know they're going to explore that as a defense t. they are prebutting it, rebutting it in advance. >> graff is off the stand. no redirect. everything you said, danny, is now moot. >> you didn't have to point it out. >> once again. she's off the stand, they're going to get a third witness today. we're waiting to see who that witness is. we're...
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both michael cohen can too, depending on how he testifies. he's got a lot more credibility issues than david pecker. >> i think some may be surprised to learn through this process that paparazzi were being sent to meetings when there was no interest in it. and maybe that the -- you know, martians maybe weren't real. interesting also to see, vaughn, how right now there is that attempt by the defense to damage the credibility of david pecker, specifically on things he said about donald trump and whether donald trump thanked him or did not thank him. >> right, that january 2017 meeting that we're talking about at trump tower when we were -- first got on the show, jose, in which david pecker testified that he went to trump tower there, and just after a meeting that donald trump had with the likes of james comey, reince priebus and sean spicer there, two weeks before he was sworn in as president, david pecker replaced all the individuals and had testified this week that that is where donald trump had thanked him for purchasing the rights to dino t
both michael cohen can too, depending on how he testifies. he's got a lot more credibility issues than david pecker. >> i think some may be surprised to learn through this process that paparazzi were being sent to meetings when there was no interest in it. and maybe that the -- you know, martians maybe weren't real. interesting also to see, vaughn, how right now there is that attempt by the defense to damage the credibility of david pecker, specifically on things he said about donald...
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and has trump said -- we know he goes bad on michael cohen yesterday. what has he said about david they've been friends and allies for decades. >> it was interesting because at trial you start with their most important witness and end with your strongest typically. this gave us a witness of where this is going and it was telling from the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to link this directly to the election. the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump ended this catch and kill for the campaign. it was to attack political opponents. it was for david -- and this is clearly where it's going. david was asked how we operated and orchestrated the catch and kill schemes. over $10,000 that editors had to ask him if they could spend that kind of money on sources and try to get stories. he will narrate the entirety of the relationship between trump and him and the national enquirer and that's why it makes them important. >> the prosecution is hoping he will be that narrator, neal? >> absolutely. i think the aim of the prosecution and
and has trump said -- we know he goes bad on michael cohen yesterday. what has he said about david they've been friends and allies for decades. >> it was interesting because at trial you start with their most important witness and end with your strongest typically. this gave us a witness of where this is going and it was telling from the opening statement from the prosecution that they wanted to link this directly to the election. the whole groundwork leading up to david was trump ended...
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it wasn't michael cohen. it wasn't stormy daniels. it was david pecker. there must be a reason for that. they have faith in him. we'll see if he delivers today. >> he's also somebody notably that trump hasn't been attacking on social media when they're arguing this gag order and whether he violated it. the other key thing that we know of is what david pecker knew, what he was involved in, and we spoke with msnbc spoke with the former executive editor of "the national enquirer," who worked with pecker, he was on with nicolle wallace yesterday. take a listen. >> august 2015, two months after donald trump goes down the escalator where they had this meeting, michael cohen and it is trump and it is david pecker and where pecker says he'll be the eyes and ears of the campaign. the organization i used to work for will purchase negative stories off the market and will run negative stories about your rivals. david pecker can really act as a tour guide for the jury. >> kristen, he takes us back to 2015, before trump was president, during the campaign. how important
it wasn't michael cohen. it wasn't stormy daniels. it was david pecker. there must be a reason for that. they have faith in him. we'll see if he delivers today. >> he's also somebody notably that trump hasn't been attacking on social media when they're arguing this gag order and whether he violated it. the other key thing that we know of is what david pecker knew, what he was involved in, and we spoke with msnbc spoke with the former executive editor of "the national enquirer,"...
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says and point to what michael cohen says so what what he says has greater credibility than michael cohen himself. >> ankush khardori, let's talk about the order of all of this. the prosecution starts with the blockbuster witness, david pecker. now they are moving into the nitty-gritty. what kind of strategy goes into the sequence here? >> i think it is largely chronological, so far, as i can see it. they are just trying to lay out, tell the story in a simple chronological fashion, the best way to tell a story often is chronologically. but, i think that is what is happening here. i expect at some point, perhaps even next week, they are going to need to start to move into, okay, how are these records, how are these payments booked internally within the trump organization. maybe next week or the following week, at some point, the trial needs to get there. that is the meat and potatoes of the actual charges against trump. >> eugene, trump keeps complaining about the trial keeping him off the campaign trail and wednesday, when, you know, wednesday was his one day off from court this week, and
says and point to what michael cohen says so what what he says has greater credibility than michael cohen himself. >> ankush khardori, let's talk about the order of all of this. the prosecution starts with the blockbuster witness, david pecker. now they are moving into the nitty-gritty. what kind of strategy goes into the sequence here? >> i think it is largely chronological, so far, as i can see it. they are just trying to lay out, tell the story in a simple chronological fashion,...
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to obtain a $130,000 home equity loan which michael cohen later funneled to stormy daniels through a shell company. friday, he authenticated bank records which prosecutors showed to jurors. that testimony will continue in trial resumes tuesday morning. prosecutors are using his testimony to authenticate documents related to the transaction. that testimony continues when the trial resumes tuesday morning. judge merchan announced a gag order hearing will take place thursday, to hear new arguments about all of the alleged violations that donald trump has committed this week. leaving off our discussion, we were in the courtroom and will be every day of the trial. a fellow at security and the former supervisor of the prosecutions and civil rights union of the eastern district of new york. good evening. unlike a lot of trump supporters and family, you've been there watching what's going on. tell us what happened. we had interesting testimony. >> we did. the first and foremost thing, we had the end of david testimony. this has been a weeklong testimony that sent the course of this trial on.
to obtain a $130,000 home equity loan which michael cohen later funneled to stormy daniels through a shell company. friday, he authenticated bank records which prosecutors showed to jurors. that testimony will continue in trial resumes tuesday morning. prosecutors are using his testimony to authenticate documents related to the transaction. that testimony continues when the trial resumes tuesday morning. judge merchan announced a gag order hearing will take place thursday, to hear new arguments...
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michael cohen directly, and that was in 2007. he seems -- the prosecution is setting up the prosecution here of where cohen was having direct contact with david pecker, and donald trump let pecker know this, if he heard from michael cohen, he was hearing from trump, and that what seems to be in the line of questioning right now, josÉ. >> so interesting. and pecker is now talking about the popularity of trump for his magazine, previous to 2015, and certainly up to the election, but it's interesting, he's saying when mr. trump launched the "celebrity apprentice," basically "the national enquirer" skyrocketed and we did research on proper covers and which celebrity, and all the time, every time we did this mr. trump would be the top choice. this is a guy who had a lot of celebrity as his commodity which helped him get to the white house. >> absolutely. that's really the great power that trump has is his ability to marshal media attention and get it to shine on him. that's always been the biggest thing. it's not managing businesses,
michael cohen directly, and that was in 2007. he seems -- the prosecution is setting up the prosecution here of where cohen was having direct contact with david pecker, and donald trump let pecker know this, if he heard from michael cohen, he was hearing from trump, and that what seems to be in the line of questioning right now, josÉ. >> so interesting. and pecker is now talking about the popularity of trump for his magazine, previous to 2015, and certainly up to the election, but it's...
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most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting on donald trump's path? you can't assume you're right. maybe michael cohen when was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael congress has cohen's going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days. one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong on the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and actually paid attention to a lot of the mundane details of this transaction. uh, he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up, that according to cohen and we're cohen will probably testifies that donald trump is breathing do
most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting on donald trump's path? you can't assume you're right. maybe michael cohen when was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael congress has cohen's going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you...
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cohen's contact with trump, trump increasing. >> i mean, not michael cohen. >> michael cohen's contact with david pecker and david pecker is contact with donald trump increasing once trump again running for president trump was cautious and frugal with money. pecker said so much so that he personally reviewed invoices and signs checks. he was meticulous. he said trump and cohen and pecker had this in-person august 2015 meeting where they agreed that pecker would be the eyes and ears of trump's 2016 campaign. pecker would notify cohen if women selling negative stories about trump emerged with pecker woodpecker anticipated would happen. cohen would then try to find a way to kill the story of a lot of damaging testimony from this friend of but both politically and legally politically. again, if this breakthrough out there, the competition, the election is going to be decided by nikki haley voters, for example, or suburban swing voters, for example and just trump's relationship with a tabloid, buying these kind of stories. that's not going to sell very well with them. so that'll be part of
cohen's contact with trump, trump increasing. >> i mean, not michael cohen. >> michael cohen's contact with david pecker and david pecker is contact with donald trump increasing once trump again running for president trump was cautious and frugal with money. pecker said so much so that he personally reviewed invoices and signs checks. he was meticulous. he said trump and cohen and pecker had this in-person august 2015 meeting where they agreed that pecker would be the eyes and ears...
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trump is not -- what michael cohen did. donald trump has pleaded not guilty to the 34 charges. >> that's a lot and there's a lot we're going to get to but i should say what we witnessed over the last several hours the just the start of a hugely consequential week for the former president who is simultaneously the republican nominee, presumed nominee. certainly the front-runner for the nomination. we learned this morning what details from donald trump's past judge merchan will allow prosecutors to bring up if mr. trump takes the stand as he's claimed that he will. in another manhattan courtroom today, the question is whether the insurer that provided donald trump a $170 million bond has the financial strength to issue the guarantee. now if the judge rules against him, mr. trump will have ten days to come up with the cash. also for the first time today in the florida classified documents case, witness statemented that had been redacted have been made public. back in new york tomorrow, judge merchan will hold a hearing about t
trump is not -- what michael cohen did. donald trump has pleaded not guilty to the 34 charges. >> that's a lot and there's a lot we're going to get to but i should say what we witnessed over the last several hours the just the start of a hugely consequential week for the former president who is simultaneously the republican nominee, presumed nominee. certainly the front-runner for the nomination. we learned this morning what details from donald trump's past judge merchan will allow...
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most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and acally paid attention to a this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up,hat accordg to cohen and we're cen will probably testifies that dold trump isreathing down his neck very closely following the ren mcdougal he talked aut how he would sit with ump in trumtower on t
most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker...
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michael cohen. from michael cohen, maybe it's not as salacious, but this is actually what the trial and the crime itself. >> it is michael cohen was contacting this bank because he they'd been having this discussion about ami and david pecker is the firewood owned the national enquirer? >> yes. they've been having the discussion on them making the payment to stormy daniels and essentially david pecker or didn't want anything to do it. he did not want to be in cahoots with a porn star making this payment to her. and it came to this point where michael cohen was trying to reach trump. he was under pressure to do this and finally said, i'm just going to do it myself and drew down a home equity line that's why this exchange happening right now pharaoh received another email two days later, please return michael cohen's call when you are available today regarding an important merit, a matter pharaoh calls cohen who told him he wanted to open a new llc account. >> cohen said the account was for capital re
michael cohen. from michael cohen, maybe it's not as salacious, but this is actually what the trial and the crime itself. >> it is michael cohen was contacting this bank because he they'd been having this discussion about ami and david pecker is the firewood owned the national enquirer? >> yes. they've been having the discussion on them making the payment to stormy daniels and essentially david pecker or didn't want anything to do it. he did not want to be in cahoots with a porn...
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so the problem is everything they want to say about michael cohen is only true about michael cohen because of donald trump because he doesn't benefit from it and of the thing he was working for that wasn't even his job. he was a fixer who is helping with the election. >> can i ask a legal question that floats around? was there a way to lawyer this properly? like was there a way to say we've got a problem here, okay? we are all in the command room. we've got these women who are making this accusation. we don't want this to get out. how do we lawyer this, so we were not committing a crime. that's not the way they think. and that people love to roll around in dirt. just like they love it. they love to be like it's all dirty, it's like awe, catch and kill, i'm writing a check. like all this none sense. i'm saying what would the lawyer version of this look like and could you lawyer it successfully such that you were not committing a crime? >> there is no super professional version of this. you don't create llcs to be able to funnel money unless you're funneling money. i mean lawyers just don't
so the problem is everything they want to say about michael cohen is only true about michael cohen because of donald trump because he doesn't benefit from it and of the thing he was working for that wasn't even his job. he was a fixer who is helping with the election. >> can i ask a legal question that floats around? was there a way to lawyer this properly? like was there a way to say we've got a problem here, okay? we are all in the command room. we've got these women who are making this...
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but she is really up there in the inner, inner, inner circle for trump with michael cohen, with allen weisselberg, the people that he literally spent the most -- had the most communication with. >> she's like a personal assistant. >> personal assistant but was one of the key gate keepers. the trump organization really only had about 14 people working for it. trump only had about three, four people he was talking to on a regular basis and rhona was one of them. handled all of his communications. so why was she important? what did she do today? it's that a lot of it was to authenticate a lot of the documents, a lot of the communications that we're going to be seeing later in the trial. and particularly then it was the placement of stormy daniels at the property, at trump tower, and critically, the outlook contact cards -- >> that she knew. >> of daniels and mcdougal that was sitting there in trump's rolodex. >> what's the significance of that, other than trump knew these women? >> look, the prosecutors don't have to prove that trump actually had relationships with either stormy daniels
but she is really up there in the inner, inner, inner circle for trump with michael cohen, with allen weisselberg, the people that he literally spent the most -- had the most communication with. >> she's like a personal assistant. >> personal assistant but was one of the key gate keepers. the trump organization really only had about 14 people working for it. trump only had about three, four people he was talking to on a regular basis and rhona was one of them. handled all of his...
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there was a conversation after david pecker talked with michael cohen, and michael cohen told him he had not been reimbursed for the stormy daniels payment, he asked david pecker to talk on the sidelines with donald trump, and his testimony here just in the last hour to the jury was that he told donald trump, quote, when i went back to mr. trump's office i said to him that michael cohen is very concerned about his bonus this year and i want you to know he's very loyal. he has been working very hard for you. no explicit statement that there was a specific conversation about stormy daniels, apparently, but at least there was a conversation about the extent to which michael cohen's bonus was a concern and the fact that he had been loyal to him. the question here coming out of the lunch break is does the prosecution hone in on exactly what those conversations between those two actually meant. >> that's what's so interesting. we all know. we have covered this forever now. donald trump doesn't use e-mail. he hasn't used text until relatively recently. there's not a paper trail with donald
there was a conversation after david pecker talked with michael cohen, and michael cohen told him he had not been reimbursed for the stormy daniels payment, he asked david pecker to talk on the sidelines with donald trump, and his testimony here just in the last hour to the jury was that he told donald trump, quote, when i went back to mr. trump's office i said to him that michael cohen is very concerned about his bonus this year and i want you to know he's very loyal. he has been working very...
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witnesses in the oval office with michael cohen, that's not helpful. if a witness says trump was meticulous in signing his checks, and wasn't a passive player that's not helpful. there's nobody the prosecution is lining up that will helpful. josh stein glass and chris conroy, they know what they are doing. so i am overwhelmingly confident donald trump is in trouble, but it is the burden of the prosecution. that's what we started off with , how important david is invalidating how important this is about otherwise why would you sign off, who cares about hush money? there needs to be some nexus, and that is what these witnesses will show. >> do you have suspicion of what they might do? >> of david-pecker? i think they are going to do everything they can to show he is a liar, that what he is saying is not only ill- informed, but he got a nonprosecution agreement, that his hand was forced, and he's trying to cover his basis by lying. it's really the only move they have. poke holes in the case, one witness at a time, and that's what they will be doing with d
witnesses in the oval office with michael cohen, that's not helpful. if a witness says trump was meticulous in signing his checks, and wasn't a passive player that's not helpful. there's nobody the prosecution is lining up that will helpful. josh stein glass and chris conroy, they know what they are doing. so i am overwhelmingly confident donald trump is in trouble, but it is the burden of the prosecution. that's what we started off with , how important david is invalidating how important this...
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cohen's idea to do all of this, and i'm sorry, michael cohen took out a home equity loan of thousands upon thousands of dollars on his own in order to pay off stormy daniels? no lawyer does that, zero, the idea that he would have done it on his own out of the goodness of his own heart or something, thoroughly implausible. second, you put on the screen before, todd blanche, trump's lawyers statement saying there's nothing wrong with influencing an election, it's called democracy, that is illegally bogus department because influencing an election is sometimes legal or illegal, if you vote for someone to vote for you it's illegal, here trump is accused of trying to hide the gifts essentially to him, and avoid the transparency that the campaign-finance laws require, that's a crime every day of the week third, he says, well, these payments are for purely legal experience experiment -- expenses, and that i think, is going to be a problem we will hear a lot about over the next month, stephanie as the child goes ford because as an attorney, the last thing you want to do is overpromise in your
cohen's idea to do all of this, and i'm sorry, michael cohen took out a home equity loan of thousands upon thousands of dollars on his own in order to pay off stormy daniels? no lawyer does that, zero, the idea that he would have done it on his own out of the goodness of his own heart or something, thoroughly implausible. second, you put on the screen before, todd blanche, trump's lawyers statement saying there's nothing wrong with influencing an election, it's called democracy, that is...
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cohen arrangement and places the blame on michael cohen. what david pecker testified to today was the fact that donald trump was intimately involved with the agreement there and was aware of it and called it our agreement, him, michael cohen and stormy daniels, and this was not just a stormy daniels-michael cohen agreement. >> andrew? >> this reminds me, you, me and vaughn feels like four years ago, i think two days ago -- >> 17 years ago, aka yesterday. >> yes. george conway related the same type of story where he and his wife were invited to dinner with jared and ivanka, and he said the president called to say are you watching this? so he clearly was -- this is -- it's exactly the same time frame. but i think vaughn has it exactly right, which is, thank you have the d.a. sort of bringing donald trump directly through direct evidence, it's not through michael cohen, you have a witness saying i spoke to him, this was his reaction. essentially what on god's green earth are you doing? why did you release her and why is she speaking and that e
cohen arrangement and places the blame on michael cohen. what david pecker testified to today was the fact that donald trump was intimately involved with the agreement there and was aware of it and called it our agreement, him, michael cohen and stormy daniels, and this was not just a stormy daniels-michael cohen agreement. >> andrew? >> this reminds me, you, me and vaughn feels like four years ago, i think two days ago -- >> 17 years ago, aka yesterday. >> yes. george...
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cohen and what he believed michael cohen was doing. and also not to mention the relationship he had with donald trump and direct conversations he had with trump about what they were doing in the 2016 campaign. >> i think david pecker is a far more important witness that many people appreciate. not only because he can speak as you just noted to the formation of the conspiracy that the d.a.'s office wants the jury to buy into, but because at multiple points in time, he talked to trump directly including with respect to whether it was worth it to buy karen mcdougle's story at a point in time that enquirer ceo and chief content officer, dylan howard, had already flown to california to interview mcdougle about her story. decided essentially that she was credible after which point trump calls pecker and said what do you think we should do. i also thought that it was a fascinating introduction to the world of tabloid journalism. it was like pecker was emptying the contents of his head about the lexicon and standard practices tabloid journalis
cohen and what he believed michael cohen was doing. and also not to mention the relationship he had with donald trump and direct conversations he had with trump about what they were doing in the 2016 campaign. >> i think david pecker is a far more important witness that many people appreciate. not only because he can speak as you just noted to the formation of the conspiracy that the d.a.'s office wants the jury to buy into, but because at multiple points in time, he talked to trump...
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she's going to be a super important witness because she doesn't have cohen's baggage, michael cohen's baggage. it's the opposite. hope hicks was team trump all the way during the period that's the subject of this indictment. so it makes her especially credible. she's going to be able to connect the hush money payments with trump's presidential ambitions. that's what prosecution also needed david pecker to do. to link the catch and kill agreement to the campaign, and that's exactly what he did. so, again, the defense tried to attack pecker's credibility in order to testify. they didn't score big points, and they're not going to be able to go there with hope hicks. she's going to be a strong witness for the prosecution. >> you know, jeremy, before the break, defense spent a lot of time grilling david pecker about a non-prosecution agreement, the jurors learned an awful lot about catch and kill. on one hand, it's pretty straightforward, right? catch and kill is you find out that there's a story that you want to bury, you pay for it, and you make sure they sign an agreement that says nobo
she's going to be a super important witness because she doesn't have cohen's baggage, michael cohen's baggage. it's the opposite. hope hicks was team trump all the way during the period that's the subject of this indictment. so it makes her especially credible. she's going to be able to connect the hush money payments with trump's presidential ambitions. that's what prosecution also needed david pecker to do. to link the catch and kill agreement to the campaign, and that's exactly what he did....
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he talks about where michael cohen fits in it. this whole scheme rises and falls through michael cohen to donald trump, and he is at the center of it. and i think in a way his testimony is almost blase, oh, yeah, we were acting doing this and doing that, but the national enquirer was an arm of the trump campaign and that comes out clearly in the testimony, and the timingea becomes so interesting, because for example this doorman had an nda that expired the month trump wins the election. you can see why this all about the election. and davidbo pecker is the first witness, he's the most important witness, he's at the center of it all. >>of the reality is that david pecker is going to be cross examined. what questions would you have for me given how thorough, and he was so matter of fact in delivering the information to the o courtroom to the jurors. what would your sort of strategy be if you're trump's defense? >> a large part of this is he had immunity. there's a reason why they have immunity. they havehey exposure. and if you have
he talks about where michael cohen fits in it. this whole scheme rises and falls through michael cohen to donald trump, and he is at the center of it. and i think in a way his testimony is almost blase, oh, yeah, we were acting doing this and doing that, but the national enquirer was an arm of the trump campaign and that comes out clearly in the testimony, and the timingea becomes so interesting, because for example this doorman had an nda that expired the month trump wins the election. you can...
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michael cohen has admitted he has misled in prior testimony. what are the risks the prosecution runs with starting with people who have these aassociations? >> listen, i think i'm not a lawyer but prosecutors tell me in an ideal world all of the witnesses could be nuns or librarians. that's nut the world in which -- >> not in this trial. >> not at all, right? one of the things, what they have in this trial is first-hand evidence from people. they've got a series of canceled checks from donald trump many of which were written -- made out while he was sitting in the oval office. there's audio recording that we're going to see, first-hand information. donald trump's voice. so the prosecution has a lot of things on its side. >> anthony, stay with me for the next story. concerns another legal case against donald trump. newly unsealed transcripts reveal that a high level trump white house staffer warned him that he could be indicted if he didn't return the classified documents that he took with him when leaving office. yesterday nearly 400 pages of i
michael cohen has admitted he has misled in prior testimony. what are the risks the prosecution runs with starting with people who have these aassociations? >> listen, i think i'm not a lawyer but prosecutors tell me in an ideal world all of the witnesses could be nuns or librarians. that's nut the world in which -- >> not in this trial. >> not at all, right? one of the things, what they have in this trial is first-hand evidence from people. they've got a series of canceled...