but labor is already putting taxes up in wales, putting up taxes for businesses. council tax by 21%. they've put up taxes 70% and this is just a glimpse of what they would do. a few weeks ago he admitted it saying he would quote put up taxes. it is always the same. higher taxes and working people pay the price. >> no single politician has put tax up more times than he has. just hang on, he was given the chance to rule out pensions to pay for scrapping the cuts. he is avoiding the question. i'm going to give him another chance. will he rule out cuts or putting up taxes to pay for this unfunded promise to scrap insurance, which is it? >> i make no apology about wanting to unfriend -- and the unfairness. pensioners have received a 900 pounds increase, let's have a look at what laborers tax advisor has to say. they think supporting pensioners is a disgrace. they believe free tv licenses are ridiculous. increases in income tax, national insurance and vat. they've been copying and pasting. >> so this is extraordinary. two chances, two chances. mr. speaker, two chances t