the nhs are planning in general to set out more details later this year. steve brine: the workforce plan is, without question, one of the most significant interventions in healthcare planning for a generation. do you accept that getting this productivity challenge right, with the things that you have just set out, is make or break for that workforce plan? the prime minister: i think that the two things come together, because the workforce plan itself has a reform element, which is slightly distinct from the overall nhs productivity plan. there are three elements of the workforce plan -- train, retain and reform. obviously, the first is to significantly increase the number of doctors, nurses, dentists and other healthcare professionals that we train. that expansion has already started. that has never been done before on this scale. retain is to improve retention of staff. then the third area is reform, with the use of new types of roles, for example, physician associates and nurse associates, the new use of apprenticeships, and ensuring that every medical p