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. >> the arizona attorney general, kris mayes, arizona attorney general. thank you so much for joining us. we'll continue this conversation to be sure. i want to get some analysis right now from cnn, political commentators, alyssa farah griffin and david axelrod. and katie watson is also joining us, an expert on medical law and ethics katie, let me start with you. how does the law originally from 18 64 as i said before, arizona was even this date and we've sat dormant for decades, come to be in effect now well, it's a decision that the arizona supreme court made and it's a grave mistake. the arizona legislature, in 2020 to pass the 15 week restriction, which by all legal analysis would supersede that earlier arizona law. the supreme court argued that the legislature hadn't explicitly repealed that civil war era law and therefore, it, the more incredibly more restrictive ban stood, that just doesn't stand to reason because the arizona legislature could have repealed the 15 week ban after dobbs and said, yes, we want to go back to total ban. and it did not.
. >> the arizona attorney general, kris mayes, arizona attorney general. thank you so much for joining us. we'll continue this conversation to be sure. i want to get some analysis right now from cnn, political commentators, alyssa farah griffin and david axelrod. and katie watson is also joining us, an expert on medical law and ethics katie, let me start with you. how does the law originally from 18 64 as i said before, arizona was even this date and we've sat dormant for decades, come to...
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and that is arizona returning to a ban that was put on the books back in the civil war before arizona was a state, before women had the right to vote. you've seen kari lake, the senate candidate there. we showed earlier in the show she was out there, right after the dobbs decision was made saying that calling this a great law, now she says she doesn't agree with it. what is your view of what happened in arizona and how it's going to affect the presidential election, the control of the senate, everything across the board, you know, look, i think that the arizona decision was simply a logical extension of what we've seen from the dobbs decision own over alabama decision on ivf was a logical and legal decision. that was a logical choice and interpretation based on the law as it stands and no one anticipated this on the republican side of the the legislatures in arizona the legislature's in alabama did not anticipate these kind of far, far extreme rulings and all of a sudden there nobody knows what to do republicans like kari lake and others never anticipated this. they never saw this com
and that is arizona returning to a ban that was put on the books back in the civil war before arizona was a state, before women had the right to vote. you've seen kari lake, the senate candidate there. we showed earlier in the show she was out there, right after the dobbs decision was made saying that calling this a great law, now she says she doesn't agree with it. what is your view of what happened in arizona and how it's going to affect the presidential election, the control of the senate,...
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the arizona territory today, more than 7 million people do. that includes republican senate candidate and a contender to be donald trump's vice president if he's the president and the republican nominee, kari lake, she rushed out a statement and it reads in quote, i part in part and i'm quoting her now. i opposed today's ruling, but that statement requires a lot of contexts, given it wasn't that long ago that she said this about the very law that is set to go into effect. >> we have a great law on the books right now that happens, we will be a state where we will not be taking the lives of our unborn anymore. i'm incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already on the books. i believe it's ars 13, so it will prohibit get abortion in arizona, except to save the life of a mother and i think we're going to be setting the paving the way and setting course for other states to follow she even cited exactly which law it was like of though, of course is far from being the only arizona republican who is >> trying to distance the
the arizona territory today, more than 7 million people do. that includes republican senate candidate and a contender to be donald trump's vice president if he's the president and the republican nominee, kari lake, she rushed out a statement and it reads in quote, i part in part and i'm quoting her now. i opposed today's ruling, but that statement requires a lot of contexts, given it wasn't that long ago that she said this about the very law that is set to go into effect. >> we have a...
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but the arizona supreme court decided otherwise. and so absent further intervention and 14 days, abortion will become criminal. and arizona, there is a potential for a constitutional challenge or other efforts, but nothing is certain right now as it stands, it will become criminal and 14 days until the state attorney general called the ruling in front of freedom and said that she would not prosecute doctors for providing abortions. so she's not going to enforce this ban that affects it's definitely meaningful. >> so the leadership of attorney general mayes >> our client at public rights project, the pima county attorney laura icon over have said they will not prosecute abortions. that is definitely meaningful. the problem is there other de, a is in the state who have not ruled out that possibility if attorney general mayes is defeated in a future election that could bring back the threat of prosecution. and even if there is no enforcement, what we've seen in other states is that hospitals and doctors are not willing to take the risk
but the arizona supreme court decided otherwise. and so absent further intervention and 14 days, abortion will become criminal. and arizona, there is a potential for a constitutional challenge or other efforts, but nothing is certain right now as it stands, it will become criminal and 14 days until the state attorney general called the ruling in front of freedom and said that she would not prosecute doctors for providing abortions. so she's not going to enforce this ban that affects it's...
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the arizona supreme court. yeah, they did. and that'll be straightened out. >> and >> he goes on to say, i'm sure the governor and everyone else are going to bring it back into reason and that'll be taken care of he's relying on democrats to clean up his mess. i don't know that they're hopping in line to do that. >> well, certainly not the arizona governors, >> not going to do something to help out donald trump and the reality is, donald trump should take a lot of credit for what he did to appoint the the three conservative justice to the supreme court. and fighting to overturn roe v wade, which has been a big up policy for him in the pro-life community. but we're now in a new post dobbs era. in the political reality of this issue is changing and it has changed every time this has been on the ballot, as she mentioned, the pro-abortion crowd has one and you can be pro-life anti-abortion, but you have to acknowledge the reality of this. and i think donald trump is trying to make sure he understands with support for abortion at s
the arizona supreme court. yeah, they did. and that'll be straightened out. >> and >> he goes on to say, i'm sure the governor and everyone else are going to bring it back into reason and that'll be taken care of he's relying on democrats to clean up his mess. i don't know that they're hopping in line to do that. >> well, certainly not the arizona governors, >> not going to do something to help out donald trump and the reality is, donald trump should take a lot of credit...
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it just adds more fuel to all of that. >> and let's just drill down on arizona how important arizona is when it comes to the electoral college 2016, arizona, it's 11 electoral votes went to donald trump as up until last year or last cycle tended to do go go on the republican side that did not happen in 2020. joe biden won arizona in 2020 by little more than 10,000 votes. it was incredibly close. and even before we saw this ruling, the stunning ruling this yesterday by the arizona state supreme court, there was already a move to get choice for people who want it on the ballot in arizona. that's not a sure thing, but it's hard to imagine. it won't get more energy into it. >> right? that would mean that there will be more people. probably going to the polls to vote in general and november. >> and what we have seen in the midterms and since when states have left this question up to voters, they turn out and they turn out in support of abortion rights that is what the biden campaign is before it's what a lot of democrats in congress are hoping for as the senate race is definitely one that
it just adds more fuel to all of that. >> and let's just drill down on arizona how important arizona is when it comes to the electoral college 2016, arizona, it's 11 electoral votes went to donald trump as up until last year or last cycle tended to do go go on the republican side that did not happen in 2020. joe biden won arizona in 2020 by little more than 10,000 votes. it was incredibly close. and even before we saw this ruling, the stunning ruling this yesterday by the arizona state...
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arizona state senator eva burch. thank you >> thanks for having me >> let's go to boris now with some breaking news for us exist in to cnn police in philadelphia are responding to reports of a shooting at a large crowd in philadelphia. this is live footage from a helicopter over the area we've seen a large number of police vehicles spread out over different intersection i'll sizable police presence there seen as athena jones has been following this story. athena's so far no word yet on injuries that's right what you just said, boris is about what we know, what we have confirmed so far there is, as you can see there on the ground, a large police presence there. we know that public transportation is also confirming that there's this activity going on. we understand this, what there was a shooting and a large crowd, but what we don't know is how many shooters were there, how many possible victims were there? we were not yet sure how many people may have been arrested, how many weapons may have been recovered. so there's
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i mean, many arizona republicans have been pretty consistent calling for strict abortion bans. now, there the no proverbial dog that caught thmail truckn this issue and now th'rerying to run as far as they can the other way nate candidate kari lake's flip-flop on the issue comes to mind. so how much more competitive does this issue make those seats? >> well, i think you see what it does. kari lake was a staunch pro-life candidate in the last election that she lost for governor. and now she's practically pro-choice >> it >> is an amazing flip-flop that we have seen from her in such a short period of time because one thing she does understand she doesn't understand where the arizona electorate is, and they are not supportive of an 18, 64 law that practically bands abortion in the state so she is at least smart enough to flip-flop what we're seeing in arizona is obviously a battle that will see across the country in 2020 let me four, republican say they want to take the abortion issue off the table. so how do they do this when polls show so many people care deeply about this issue
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but for now, arizona state senator of a birch. thank you so much for taking the time to come on this morning and talk about this important issue. >> thanks so much for having me. >> sure. john. >> all right. breaking news just moments ago, the house held a vote that really could show how much control mike johnson has over republicans. there will tell you the results just after this every >> weekday morning, cnn's finance five things has what you need to get going with your day. it's the five essential stories of the morning in five minutes or less, cnn's five things with kate bolduan, streaming weekdays starting april 15 on macs >> they get it >> they know how it works >> and more importantly, the works for them >> i don't have any anxiety about money anymore. >> i don't have to worry about a mortgage payment every month. >> it allowed me to live in my home and not have to make payments if you're 62 or older and own your home, you could access your equity to improve your lifestyle or reverse mortgage loan eliminates your >> monthl
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serve as the basis for what arizona did in 2022. therefore, it's gone. >> and so >> the 18th 64 law, which was always on the books, but was essentially just inactive and stayed because roe v. wade provided that right constitutionally is now any effect and that there's nothing on the books in arizona or the federal law that says it couldn't be in effect. there's nothing to negate it. and so since it existed, it's simply back into effect at this point. so that is the logic of the court, and that's why they say it's supersedes what they did in 2022 as a state which to me sounded like 2022. well, that would be the will of the people. >> but because that >> was contingent on roe v. wade, they said, nope, back to 18, 64 very interesting and clear. thank you, ms d for that. if you could stand by for us because actually, governor katie hobbs in arizona, they're just reacting to this ruling. let's listen to what she said >> we don't need to call a special session to legislature is in session right now, and they can do this right now. they ca
serve as the basis for what arizona did in 2022. therefore, it's gone. >> and so >> the 18th 64 law, which was always on the books, but was essentially just inactive and stayed because roe v. wade provided that right constitutionally is now any effect and that there's nothing on the books in arizona or the federal law that says it couldn't be in effect. there's nothing to negate it. and so since it existed, it's simply back into effect at this point. so that is the logic of the...
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you think he is likely had a hand in some of this in arizona? i think looking through some of the indictment and seeing some of the details ahead in terms of texts, in terms of emails, i think now i don't think trent can just roll alone. >> is that all that but i think he was a critical source in caracas operating some of what they already suspected and carry this is the indictment here. it's long, but it's pretty dry. it's pretty straight to the point what did you glean from it? >> well, it's it's a fraud fraudulent case. it's a case based on fraud. so it's not going to be super extensive in terms of the facts of the indictment because what's being alleged simply that they sign there her name's to fraudulent documents. and so the burden of proof is not particularly high. so i think in this case, one thing we will be looking for is whether or not some of these individuals really just plead out to lesser charges. and it's not quite as dramatic as the felonies that are charged are indicated, but arizona really was one of the major states we put ou
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>> there has been a seismic shift in the political landscape here in arizona. we are seeing not just kari lake, but lots of other republicans starting to flip flop and back pedal. >> they >> do not want voters to know that just a couple of years ago, they were celebrating the fall of roe. some of the republicans in the legislature even voted onto 2022, 15 week abortion ban, which was at the heart of this supreme court case. and the legislative intent in that ban actually said that they agreed that the 18 64 ban should not be repealed, should roe fall. so i think that voters are really seeing through the backpedaling that's happening and they're not going to fall forward in november >> and in the meantime, arizonans are planning to vote on a ballot measure in november that would restore access to abortion at the point of viability, which is approximately 24 weeks. in the meantime, we're also hearing reports that the arizona house speaker perhaps may put forward. hizon, his party's own ballot measure as well. what have you heard about that as a potential option >
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are we talked about territory rights came out when arizona was a territory, arizona was a territory. women were barely considered equal human beings. we could not vote, vote. >> black >> folks weren't quite worth still three-fifths, right? so let's go back to that law. donald trump is a fraud and he lies about everything. he has been reading the political tea leaves, not that hard, in the last couple of years he knows this is a bad issue for him. this is a bad issue for republicans he's clearly trying to pull himself back and i want to point out this sort of so i call it a pseudo fight. but these even having with lindsey graham, right where they're sort of disagreeing, >> that is such >> a setup because he's trying to show he wants people to talk about how oh, he's fighting with republicans because again, trump understands that's what some of his voters wanted here. and then others of his voters want to hear something different. he's trying to be a little bit of everything to everyone to win their votes. >> and doug me, there's there's such a thing as videotape and trump. i mean, i g
are we talked about territory rights came out when arizona was a territory, arizona was a territory. women were barely considered equal human beings. we could not vote, vote. >> black >> folks weren't quite worth still three-fifths, right? so let's go back to that law. donald trump is a fraud and he lies about everything. he has been reading the political tea leaves, not that hard, in the last couple of years he knows this is a bad issue for him. this is a bad issue for republicans...
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jake hoffman, one of the arizona fake electors also a sitting the state senator here in arizona. he said, let me be unequivocal. i'm innocent of any crime. so look to conflicting allegations here and push back here. these charges are just the latest in a string of criminal indictments. we've seen connected to the 2020 election, though, as you mentioned from court and the federal case overseen by jack smith, we're going to hear arguments on whether or not trump is immune from prosecution. trump not being prosecuted here in arizona yet, but i am told that this investigation is ongoing, so we'll have to wait and see how that plays out going it's still a lot of people already, now, already charged even as that investigation continues in arizona, zach, thank you so much. john all right. >> this morning to connecticut barbers our heroes, after jumping into action when they saw a toddler wandering into a busy intersection, rafael santana and as volatile logo will work either barbershop when they saw the little girl walking in the middle of the road without hesitating, they ran out to sc
jake hoffman, one of the arizona fake electors also a sitting the state senator here in arizona. he said, let me be unequivocal. i'm innocent of any crime. so look to conflicting allegations here and push back here. these charges are just the latest in a string of criminal indictments. we've seen connected to the 2020 election, though, as you mentioned from court and the federal case overseen by jack smith, we're going to hear arguments on whether or not trump is immune from prosecution. trump...
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and now you have this iterative ration in arizona. one of the things republicans have to do in the long run is nominate better people for office from president of the united states to kari lake. i don't think you'll talk to me republican with good sense will tell you that kari lake is a quality candidate. and i think you're starting to see that she's along the same lines of herschel walker. and so when you have those partial walker's, when you had those, you remember dr. oz? yeah. when you have dr. eyes and kari lake's of the world and you don't have a good quality bench out there running for office. you have people who are not able to message properly or who not able to put up a good fight on issues such as this okay let's, talk about let's talk about messenger going to different front of a car. i'm gonna start with you on this one because on the democrats strategy president biden's former chief of staff, raw clean. he is offering up a very unvarnished kind of take on biden strategy right now that essentially biden is focusing too mu
and now you have this iterative ration in arizona. one of the things republicans have to do in the long run is nominate better people for office from president of the united states to kari lake. i don't think you'll talk to me republican with good sense will tell you that kari lake is a quality candidate. and i think you're starting to see that she's along the same lines of herschel walker. and so when you have those partial walker's, when you had those, you remember dr. oz? yeah. when you have...
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>> the attorney general in arizona, the attorney general and arizona has tweeted out saying that this is unconscionable and in front of freedom. and said, make no mistake. the court has risked the health and lives of arizonans if can show part of that tweet, it says that today's decision to reimpose there's a law from a time when arizona wasn't a state, the civil war was raging and women couldn't even vote will go down in history as a stain on our state. this as far from the end of the debate on reproductive freedom, and i look forward to the people of arizona having their say in the matter that goes on to say and let me be completely clear, as long as i am attorney general, no one men or doctor will be prosecuted under this draconian law in this state. so you can imagine there are still going to be quite a bit of confusion going forward, even though this ruling was supposed to clarify the confusion in the state, attorney general, they're saying that she won't prosecute and she's referring to a citizen ballot initiative where there's still gathering signatures in hopes to enshrine abo
>> the attorney general in arizona, the attorney general and arizona has tweeted out saying that this is unconscionable and in front of freedom. and said, make no mistake. the court has risked the health and lives of arizonans if can show part of that tweet, it says that today's decision to reimpose there's a law from a time when arizona wasn't a state, the civil war was raging and women couldn't even vote will go down in history as a stain on our state. this as far from the end of the...
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so this is an interesting situation with arizona because arizona in many ways is a state that on various policies has a bit of libertarian and independent streak because we know the polling there as shown consistently. and when you talk to the strategist, both inside and outside of the state. but this is abortion is an issue that doesn't necessarily move voters. shall we say in a very polarized state like arizona, but it does activate the wrong voters that trump does not want in maricopa county. and other liberal parts of the state, so for that reason strategy just are very concerned that they want to basically have the debate these set on any issue that is not going to activate the voters that on the right would be very, very alienated by this issue. and you said draconian from of this law, whereas progressives are very, very focused on on, on having people focus on this particular issue. because they see it not just as a question of woman's health, but also want to freedom and bodily autonomy, right? >> all right. matt brown, catherine lucy. thank you, guys both very much for being wit
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supreme court is now imposing on patients in arizona >> dr. gibson we really appreciate your time today if planned parenthood in arizona. thank you so much >> thank you >> still would come former president donald trump is trying to delay the historic criminal trial in manhattan cnn is not getting a first look at what prospective jurors for the trial could be asked as it inches closer to next week start date the leaf with jake tapper today it for cnn >> it looks complicated. >> that's why vision works, organizes our frames by hape and price so it's simple to find a pair. you'll love. >> there are the shapes. that's the price >> vision works. see the difference >> you have an excellent warren g warranty, blurring, ci >> okay. got it. go. >> you must have american home shield >> got you. now, >> i can tell you a appliances in homes systems are protected, covered repairs and replacements are taken care of. warrant she never lies off cookie dough american home shield, don't worry, be warranty the edge and rash of moderate to severe eczema disrupts
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november broadly, you're seeing it most impacted in arizona. so that's really becoming ground zero for both of these issues. and rafat, what they wanted, right? exactly. so you're going to see that republicans are going to try to seize on the border issue two, democrat seizing on abortion. but just like we're talking about, republicans need to address abortion democrats feel like they also need to address the border issue and say what they would do on immigration. also laying out legal pathways to citizenship, as are talking about trying to secure the border. so it's an issue that they're definitely have to wrestle with. >> all right. well, stay with us because we're gonna be talking about donald trump, who maybe out of legal tricks and out of time, jury selection in his hush money trial begins in just three days. we're going to take a look closer, look at what we can expect on monday in new york there's debris and this guy parents, husbands and wives gone >> wish i could've done something different. you can just make it better for those that f
november broadly, you're seeing it most impacted in arizona. so that's really becoming ground zero for both of these issues. and rafat, what they wanted, right? exactly. so you're going to see that republicans are going to try to seize on the border issue two, democrat seizing on abortion. but just like we're talking about, republicans need to address abortion democrats feel like they also need to address the border issue and say what they would do on immigration. also laying out legal pathways...
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and for folks who don't live in arizona, can you explain why the arizona supreme court would roll this way? >> well, jake, let me start by saying this is a disaster for women in arizona arizona women deserve the right to make their own decision about abortion and now they can't because the donald trump, so let's be clear about that why did the arizona supreme court do this? it's because dot dobbs, the dobbs decision overturned roe v. wade kate was the law of the land since 1973. and now women have lost a fundamental right in our state. >> let's take a listen. arizona state senator, even birds today right after rolling >> somebody gave me a procedure so that wouldn't have to experience another miscarriage. the pain the mess, the discomfort now we're talking about whether or not we should put that doctor in jail >> abortion rights advocates say that they have the signatures to try and enshrining the right into arizona's constitution, but that wouldn't happen until november and it wouldn't happen unless it passes let's assume that they're successful in november. what happens for women and
and for folks who don't live in arizona, can you explain why the arizona supreme court would roll this way? >> well, jake, let me start by saying this is a disaster for women in arizona arizona women deserve the right to make their own decision about abortion and now they can't because the donald trump, so let's be clear about that why did the arizona supreme court do this? it's because dot dobbs, the dobbs decision overturned roe v. wade kate was the law of the land since 1973. and now...
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i want to move to arizona vice president kamala harris, headed to arizona on a reproductive rights tour as they're calling it after arizona revived laws from 18, 64 criminalizing abortion with one single exception, and that is the life of the mother. it's been the most recent strict abortion laws in the country i'm curious if you think that this what happened here is going to really give democrats the edge now, in this battleground, state i'm from, i have looked at polling on this issue across the country and in arizona is 65% of arizonans. this is republicans and democrats, okay, not just democrats absolutely are in favor of abortion rights. and a woman's right to choose fundamentally i guess i guess i can't overstate what an earthquake this is in arizona. i mean, prior to monday's ruling biden was actually looking pretty weak in arizona and trump's numbers, were going out this completely flips the script. this issue is so important, i think the reason it's also important to remember is that we have the saying in the conservative universe there are factions of conservatism and western
i want to move to arizona vice president kamala harris, headed to arizona on a reproductive rights tour as they're calling it after arizona revived laws from 18, 64 criminalizing abortion with one single exception, and that is the life of the mother. it's been the most recent strict abortion laws in the country i'm curious if you think that this what happened here is going to really give democrats the edge now, in this battleground, state i'm from, i have looked at polling on this issue across...
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and jennifer on arizona. honestly, this may not i have been kind of thinking about it this morning is the georgia indictment, and i'm i've been calling this a georgia and diamond two point out without trumping charge, the georgia indictment that can kind an august that white why this now, does that say anything? >> because arizona one well, each stage, of course had its own factual pattern, right. with what happened with a fake electors. and they're all different. arizona actually is one of the stronger ones because those figure electors didn't even include conditional language when they sent in their slate, right? they said, we are the electors and we vote for trump and pence. so it's a strong case. and of course in each of these states, they're evaluating it on their own. this is not a rico case. they've decided not to charge former president trump's. so i expect it will proceed more smoothly and more quickly than georgia has, which is good news. but this is just each individual prosecutor in these states s
and jennifer on arizona. honestly, this may not i have been kind of thinking about it this morning is the georgia indictment, and i'm i've been calling this a georgia and diamond two point out without trumping charge, the georgia indictment that can kind an august that white why this now, does that say anything? >> because arizona one well, each stage, of course had its own factual pattern, right. with what happened with a fake electors. and they're all different. arizona actually is one...
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the prlem fohim in arizona for him. so disasteror him, and it'a disaster for kari lake, the problem is, is that this is going to be a valid initiative and abortion will be actually literally on the ballot. and that is going to help j biden witturnout. it's going to help joe biden with entasm and the biggest thing that abortion es agnst republicans, right now is that it paints them as extremist. and kari lake she race in arizona in 2022, 's largely because people saw her as too extreme and abortion was one of the reasons they believed that she was too extreme. she also happens to be an election denier, but abortion played a big role in her loss and so now you've got a critical swing state where biden was hang somtrouble with hispanic ters. and so the state's very much in play, even though biden won at last time, that now it looks like trump is going to have to play defense on this issue where it is really going to galvanize democratic voters and it's going to take swing voters who have been backsliding against biden and
the prlem fohim in arizona for him. so disasteror him, and it'a disaster for kari lake, the problem is, is that this is going to be a valid initiative and abortion will be actually literally on the ballot. and that is going to help j biden witturnout. it's going to help joe biden with entasm and the biggest thing that abortion es agnst republicans, right now is that it paints them as extremist. and kari lake she race in arizona in 2022, 's largely because people saw her as too extreme and...
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well, maybe biden can win arizona now. and then you have the inflation is and you go, well, maybe the news isn't so good. so i mean, just every news cycle, we're getting more and more sort of washer and dryer treatment in this election. and despite the fact that we have a rerun, it's really unpredictable now, it's a really, really, really great point mark. how do you think? what have you seen in the way that trump has basically tried to rewrite his own past on abortion as he faces this moment with arizona well, it's just a reflection of what a cul-de-sac the republicans find themselves in on this issue. i mean, the republicans have caught the car for years and years and years. it was for them a political cudgel to use in elections. but once they had to actually set policy based on these issues let's become really tricky. and it's a tricky issue that's why it's been so troublesome for so many years in this country and there's no easy answer and that's where trump and republicans find themselves right now is because they're
well, maybe biden can win arizona now. and then you have the inflation is and you go, well, maybe the news isn't so good. so i mean, just every news cycle, we're getting more and more sort of washer and dryer treatment in this election. and despite the fact that we have a rerun, it's really unpredictable now, it's a really, really, really great point mark. how do you think? what have you seen in the way that trump has basically tried to rewrite his own past on abortion as he faces this moment...
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in securing a wind because of this issue in arizona arizona is one of a nearly it doesn't state that could have an abortion rights measure on the ballot that makes a difference, especially in helping with voter turnout. of course, this has been a rite of an election year there's voter apathy, whether it's not so much enthusiasm for either one of the candidates. and so >> this is to be on the, >> on the ballot. it essentially helps them know i suppose are voters get them out and galvanize that momentum and in the campaign believes to vote for president biden and to protect, they say abortion rights. but again, jake, of course, this is a critical state for them. it's one that they hope to get a win in november, but it won't be easy. and also it's a steep were immigration, as you heard from kristen, is top of mind for voters and they think that this may be a way in to get those because waters to the polls. >> all right. priscilla alvarez in tucson, arizona. thanks so much. let's discuss all this with my political panel. >> david, >> what's your take on the biden's campaign? the biden ca
in securing a wind because of this issue in arizona arizona is one of a nearly it doesn't state that could have an abortion rights measure on the ballot that makes a difference, especially in helping with voter turnout. of course, this has been a rite of an election year there's voter apathy, whether it's not so much enthusiasm for either one of the candidates. and so >> this is to be on the, >> on the ballot. it essentially helps them know i suppose are voters get them out and...
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that arizona law, it's not just decades old. it is generation's old it is nearly 160 years old lawmakers wrote it in 18, when arizona was not even a state, when abraham lincoln was still alive, when professional baseball did not exist. when jules verne wrote journey to the center of the earth. when manet painted one of his most famous works that law is a literal antique but republicans worried about what a total ban means for their electoral futures. >> their >> now refurbishing their positions look no further than kari lake. she's the republican nominee for the senate in arizona lake. tonight says, i oppose today's ruling lake back in to that 2022 says the law was great >> i'm incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already on the books. i believe it's ars 133603. so it will prohibit abortion in arizona except to save the life of a mother >> republicans realized that there are very real ramifications for what arizona's court just did because they have seen this movie before in other places. >> on the ma
that arizona law, it's not just decades old. it is generation's old it is nearly 160 years old lawmakers wrote it in 18, when arizona was not even a state, when abraham lincoln was still alive, when professional baseball did not exist. when jules verne wrote journey to the center of the earth. when manet painted one of his most famous works that law is a literal antique but republicans worried about what a total ban means for their electoral futures. >> their >> now refurbishing...
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so the arizona house speaker, ben toma, did a radio interview yesterday. he said he's looking at this option of getting an abortion initiative on the november ballot. there is, as you know, already expected to be one which i know that you have some issues with but he's saying basically governor katie hobbs is not going to sign into law something similar to the now repealed 15 week ban that was passed in 2020 to talk to us a little bit about whether you'd like to see an alternative to the initiative that we've already that we already know is in the works because of that mental health exception in why in particular, you have an issue with that >> well, right now, voters are going to have a choice between a territorial band and near complete ban on abortions. and the abortion access initiative, which i think goes it's too far. i haven't seen any specific proposal yet, but i do know that republican members are coming up with some ideas talking about that and i'll take a look at that. i'm proudly pro-life. i've supported efforts to respect women and protect two
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arizona's election was free and fair. the people of arizona elected president biden, unwilling to accept this fact. the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency whatever their reasoning was, the plot to violate the law must be answered for me now to discuss is former january 6 investigative counsel, marcus children's marcus. good morning to you. thanks so much for being here. can you help us understand why why we're learning about this now, how this has unfolded in arizona, and how it plays out. in to the bigger picture of all of the legal challenges around the 2020 election well, it's always nice when you can kinda zoom in and see how this was impacted on a state-by-state level. >> and i think it's an interesting juxtaposition that we have here today. you mentioned supreme court here in this case, and that really got there from the federal january 6 case against the president that looked had a had a nationwide view and now we're getting a glimpse into a
arizona's election was free and fair. the people of arizona elected president biden, unwilling to accept this fact. the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency whatever their reasoning was, the plot to violate the law must be answered for me now to discuss is former january 6 investigative counsel, marcus children's marcus. good morning to you. thanks so much for being here. can you help us understand why why we're learning...
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so where would that leave arizona? >> so there's a possibility that if the 800s 64 band is repealed, then we could go back again to the situation we had on monday, which was the 15 week ban, which of course is nothing that arizonans can rely on as this as evidence of and so that's why we arizona for abortion access keep coming back to our measure to allow arizona voters to chime in on this themselves on the november ballot. and that would be a constitutional amendment which would stop all of this back-and-forth and political game play and give arizona and some peace of mind dawn. >> when will you have confirmation that it will actually be on the ballot >> are deadline to turn in signatures is july 3rd, then we'll move into a validation phase. there might be lawsuits from the opposition, and so by the end of summer, we should know whether it will be on the november ballot, and i will tell you that at the campaign we anticipated all of this. this is all very standard in arizona for citizens initiatives. so confident that
so where would that leave arizona? >> so there's a possibility that if the 800s 64 band is repealed, then we could go back again to the situation we had on monday, which was the 15 week ban, which of course is nothing that arizonans can rely on as this as evidence of and so that's why we arizona for abortion access keep coming back to our measure to allow arizona voters to chime in on this themselves on the november ballot. and that would be a constitutional amendment which would stop all...
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and i think arizona is a great example. of how difficult it's going to continue to be for the former president to navigate this issue, despite coming out and saying, i'm seeding this to the states. now i do want to read for you a statement we got from trump campaign spokesperson. again defending his statement and his decision to punt this to the state. she said, quote president trump could not have been more clear. these are decisions for people of each state to make now, i do just want to also give you some sense of what he's doing this week and how it kind of ties into this abortion discussion. he is kicking off another series of fundraisers this week, as you mentioned, katie is heading to atlanta four fundraiser today. he also has another one back in florida this evening. he has another fundraiser this weekend in pennsylvania, and i think the thing that i found really interesting is part of some of the people who have been in donald trump's ear talking to him about abortion has been donors. he's been doing these fundrais
and i think arizona is a great example. of how difficult it's going to continue to be for the former president to navigate this issue, despite coming out and saying, i'm seeding this to the states. now i do want to read for you a statement we got from trump campaign spokesperson. again defending his statement and his decision to punt this to the state. she said, quote president trump could not have been more clear. these are decisions for people of each state to make now, i do just want to also...
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and two republicans in arizona. >> and we keep putting up on the screen that the arizona state senate has kept the repeal and play that doesn't matter if the republican house speaker in the arizona house continues to block it. and as far as i can tell, he continues to say that he will that he will not let it become law. what kind of a bind does that put someone like donald trump in who's trying to suggest that he's finding some middle-ground on abortion i think it absolutely puts him in a bind because as you said, it shows the consequences of this state's rights position. >> he is taken what you are going to get with that uncertainty, what we've seen in a lot of states, especially red states, especially in the south, is these near-total bans on a board russian in florida, a six-week ban which advocates abortion rights advocates call nearly a total abortion ban states are going to take those types of positions you're not going to get a sort of moderate compromise position out of a lot of states. if you leave it up to them, what you're going to get that is this extreme patchwork where i
and two republicans in arizona. >> and we keep putting up on the screen that the arizona state senate has kept the repeal and play that doesn't matter if the republican house speaker in the arizona house continues to block it. and as far as i can tell, he continues to say that he will that he will not let it become law. what kind of a bind does that put someone like donald trump in who's trying to suggest that he's finding some middle-ground on abortion i think it absolutely puts him in a...
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and this is cnn >> protest are planned in arizona. this weekend after the state supreme court revived a civil war era law banning nearly all abortions in the state. >> cnn's camila bernal spoke with real productive rights advocates on the front lines were working to put a on the ballot in november >> signature and print your first last name i've tried to do it once or twice a week, right now. i'm i'm doing four because we're pushing energize them. or signature on this one, append mood beta thank you guys for all showing up after the arizona supreme court revived a civil war era law that would ban nearly all abortions in the state. >> the important thing is you're signing >> these volunteers are trying to collect as many signatures as they can to qualify for a november 2024 ballot measure that would enshrine abortion rights in the seats institution. robin williams has been here. >> i did it in the 70s back in the bible belts. >> how do you >> feel to have done it in the >> 70s and to be doing it again in 2024 for us to keep flying goin
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, where and one thing is clear, arizona like georgia. another key battleground state. i mean, joe biden, only one arizona by about 10,000 votes. so arizona has always going to be great around zero of this reelection. certainly the abortion measured by the supreme court has added to that. and now this latest round of indictments we'll add to it as well. both campaigns are assessing this, talking to someone in the biden campaign just a few moments ago, really reading this page of indictments as well trump campaign also assessing this. so the reality is, we do not know the political fallout or impact from any of these cases, just like the case in new york or georgia, we do not know what this will enhance former president donald trump or will impede him politically. these are operating on two very different tracks. we've seen him enhanced over the last year, donald trump by these criminal charges, some of his supporters believe people are piling on, if you will, these various prosecutors. but as the information comes in from all these separa
, where and one thing is clear, arizona like georgia. another key battleground state. i mean, joe biden, only one arizona by about 10,000 votes. so arizona has always going to be great around zero of this reelection. certainly the abortion measured by the supreme court has added to that. and now this latest round of indictments we'll add to it as well. both campaigns are assessing this, talking to someone in the biden campaign just a few moments ago, really reading this page of indictments as...
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arizona, along with her husband, michael ward. but more importantly, these names that are redacted were wondering more about who those people are. they include, as you mentioned, rudy giuliani, the former personal attorney attorney of donald trump, did include the former chief of staff, mark meadows, in an boris epshteyn, who is still a very close adviser to donald trump. and in fact, sources have told us and people close to trump told us that the reason boris epshteyn hasn't been seen with trump in new york for the start of this criminal trial. there is because of concerns of this looming indictment that come into fruition today. >> and so some of these defendants and some of these that you're naming boris, obviously, rudy giuliani, mark meadows, their names are redacted in the version that we have now because i understand there's still actually in the process of serving them. so when i say this is breaking, it's breaking to that level. is there anything else you can tell us about some of these redact? did names which by the way
arizona, along with her husband, michael ward. but more importantly, these names that are redacted were wondering more about who those people are. they include, as you mentioned, rudy giuliani, the former personal attorney attorney of donald trump, did include the former chief of staff, mark meadows, in an boris epshteyn, who is still a very close adviser to donald trump. and in fact, sources have told us and people close to trump told us that the reason boris epshteyn hasn't been seen with...
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they do not want to see arizona laws on the books. the laws that are going to imprison doctors and nurses that are going to be empowered by radical extremists and dangerous candidates, like a kari lake. and when we have the right senate house and the person the white house will be able to pass a rule protection of abortion rights for the women in this country. >> if that happens, if president biden is reelected democrats take the house. if you are the next senator from arizona, and the filibuster comes up, would you get boat to get rid of the filibuster? >> absolutely. specialty to preserve abortion rights for women across this country. we have women that are leaving states like texas to get lifesavingurgeries. we have people that are running away from states like ohio to indiana to get abortion. because they've been raped we have women that are being unfortunately forced to carry to term there are victims of rape all over this country. if we're serious about protecting women, are serious about protecting women's right to an abortion
they do not want to see arizona laws on the books. the laws that are going to imprison doctors and nurses that are going to be empowered by radical extremists and dangerous candidates, like a kari lake. and when we have the right senate house and the person the white house will be able to pass a rule protection of abortion rights for the women in this country. >> if that happens, if president biden is reelected democrats take the house. if you are the next senator from arizona, and the...
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trump also saying he would repeat, would take the stand in arizona. meanwhile, vice president harris cameras republicans on the issue of abortion rights for women. the southwestern state. now the latest backdrop in the battle over reproductive rights within extremely restrictive civil war era laws, soon to take effect then we're also following breaking news. president biden warning he expects an iranian attack in the middle east sooner. his words, sooner rather than later, this, as israel intercepts of dozens of rockets and the pentagon moves new assets to the region. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer, a urine the situation room the >> skis, cnn breaking new, let's begin with a breaking news are coverage tonight includes donald trump's latest remarks on his hush money trial the former president claiming he would testify during the proceedings which begin on monday cnn's kristen holmes is joining us right now from trump's mar-a-lago estate in palm beach, florida. kristen, give us the very latest >>
trump also saying he would repeat, would take the stand in arizona. meanwhile, vice president harris cameras republicans on the issue of abortion rights for women. the southwestern state. now the latest backdrop in the battle over reproductive rights within extremely restrictive civil war era laws, soon to take effect then we're also following breaking news. president biden warning he expects an iranian attack in the middle east sooner. his words, sooner rather than later, this, as israel...
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so let's just start at ground zero on this one in arizona with kari lake who is running for arizona's open senate seat. today, she released a statement which reads, and i quote, i oppose today's ruling and i am calling on katie hobbs and the state legislature to come up with an immediate common sense solution that arizona since can support >> okay. that would be fine if she just was breaking her silence on this issue. you might say, oh, who'd ever heard of a law from 18 64 will kari lake had and in fact, she had ardently supported this very law from 18 64 here she is talking about it two years ago we have a great law on the books right now. i'm incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already on the books. i believe it's ars 133603. so it will prohibit abortion in arizona except to save the life of a mother. and i think we're going to be setting the paving the way and setting course for other states to follow so she didn't even just say, oh, i support this law in the book. she exactly said what the law did, write, that only in the life of the mother. that's the
so let's just start at ground zero on this one in arizona with kari lake who is running for arizona's open senate seat. today, she released a statement which reads, and i quote, i oppose today's ruling and i am calling on katie hobbs and the state legislature to come up with an immediate common sense solution that arizona since can support >> okay. that would be fine if she just was breaking her silence on this issue. you might say, oh, who'd ever heard of a law from 18 64 will kari lake...
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and you know what arizona's governors i'm a craft. the state's attorney general, is a democrat. the state legislatures almost evenly divided. if democrats you want to get rid of the law. well, you have a chance right now to get rid of it. and i would advise you get rid of it. they would rather use it as a political tool ahead of november well, sean hannity generally operates in a fact-free zone. he is right about one thing they're arizona's legislature is almost evenly divided in favor of republicans. and when he proposed that democrats get rid of the law, he did so disingenuous lee and i'm being generous because a democrat tried to do just that stuff when you stall hamilton back in january and her bill never even got a hearing in committee, but arizona doesn't need democrats to save the day. they've got republicans. and one tried to get moving on a vote to overturn that 18, 64 era abortion ban yesterday and six hours before sean hannity suggested the arizona legislature could just make it go poof. a republican made sure it didn't >> all in favor of that motion, but i drove know
and you know what arizona's governors i'm a craft. the state's attorney general, is a democrat. the state legislatures almost evenly divided. if democrats you want to get rid of the law. well, you have a chance right now to get rid of it. and i would advise you get rid of it. they would rather use it as a political tool ahead of november well, sean hannity generally operates in a fact-free zone. he is right about one thing they're arizona's legislature is almost evenly divided in favor of...
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, what arizona republicans would, what it would take for arizona republicans to actually move and try and repeal this law. >> again, there has been some movement in the state senate where republicans and democrats have joined together. and there could be a vote on this as early as next week, but it would take passing the state senate and the house where the republican and house speaker, at least as far as i can tell, says he's not going to let it happen period full stop yeah. >> and it's a heavy lift, no doubt about it. this is really a sign, yet another example of how more conservative state legislatures are playing an outsized role in american politics right now. with the fact that one chamber of a state legislature is blocking something that has monumental implications, just shows that at the state level as republicans have argued, this is still a complicated issue. >> yeah and again, for reproductive rights advocates, they say, when you say things should be left up to the states, this is what can happen when left up to the state's daniel strauss. great to see you this morning. tha
, what arizona republicans would, what it would take for arizona republicans to actually move and try and repeal this law. >> again, there has been some movement in the state senate where republicans and democrats have joined together. and there could be a vote on this as early as next week, but it would take passing the state senate and the house where the republican and house speaker, at least as far as i can tell, says he's not going to let it happen period full stop yeah. >> and...
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now charged with conspiracy, fraud, and forgery in arizona, part of that fake electors plot to overturn the election. trump himself, though, an unindicted coconspirator my source tonight is mark meadows is onetime top aide and confidant turned witness against her former boss and donald trump, cassidy hutchinson. hutchinson is here hours or where the supreme court takes on the enormous question tomorrow, our president's above the law? also a major decision is still looming tonight for trump in that hush money case over former president be punished for his repeated apparent violations of that gag order. really the bigger question, how i'm kaitlan collins and this is the source we're going to get right to that breaking news tonight as former top aides, attorneys and allies all close to donald trump with that in common, have now just been charged in the state of arizona over their efforts in the phaco lecture scheme to help trump desperately tried to overturn the election that he lost and to keep himself in power. 11 people in all have been charged among them, rudy giuliani, former white ho
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do you have a sense of how worried they are tonight about arizona? >> this is something that is certainly on their minds about how to deal with it. i mean, i will note that the one out that trump may take is that he stressed in his video he owned, he has said this in private discussions with people and public discourse, public commentary. his focus on exceptions in terms of rape, incest, and life of the mother. and this bill new law would have no exceptions and that might be an off-ramp that he takes, but regardless, i mean, yes, trump said and we at the times broke this the trump was saying people when the likely dobbs decision was impending, that this was going to be bad for republicans. he has recognized that the politics of this are bad for republicans. he has also then gone mountain, said that he proudly helped overturn roe v. wade. and so it's a little hard to have it both ways, but he is trying to have it always and he often does. he tries to leave all well options open and avoid being pin down. this is on a significant issue that a lot of wom
do you have a sense of how worried they are tonight about arizona? >> this is something that is certainly on their minds about how to deal with it. i mean, i will note that the one out that trump may take is that he stressed in his video he owned, he has said this in private discussions with people and public discourse, public commentary. his focus on exceptions in terms of rape, incest, and life of the mother. and this bill new law would have no exceptions and that might be an off-ramp...
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a elliot, let's just dig into this arizona arizona news because of course, donald trump is an unindicted coconspirator here. but this is another example we've seen it play out in a couple of other states where they tried to send these fake electors to washington. it really underscores two me, the breadth of the scheme that was playing out around the election the scheme that's playing out around the election, and the patchwork of laws around the country in different prosecutors offices that have chosen to approach these cases in different ways. >> here you see sort of a hodgepodge, a mix fake electors themselves, these sort of people that nobody's heard of? no, they're not national figures, but also people connected to the former president himself, notably, not the former president, but still two former top aides who are as close to him as anybody else, right? other states have chosen to do it differently only choosing to go after fake electors. now again, some of that is based on individual state law. some of that is conservatism or sort of aggressiveness on the part of prosecutors. it's
a elliot, let's just dig into this arizona arizona news because of course, donald trump is an unindicted coconspirator here. but this is another example we've seen it play out in a couple of other states where they tried to send these fake electors to washington. it really underscores two me, the breadth of the scheme that was playing out around the election the scheme that's playing out around the election, and the patchwork of laws around the country in different prosecutors offices that have...
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the state supreme court in arizona upheld an 18, 64. yes, that's correct. 18 64 law. the bands all abortions with only one exception for the life of the mother. there are no exceptions for rape or incest. >> the >> law was written before arizona became a state and before women had the right to vote trump's announcement earlier this week was seemingly designed to help republicans appeal to a broader array of voters. may have backfired just seven months before the election voters in arizona, of course, a key swing state that could decide who wins the presidency, but go to the polls in november with reproductive rights on the line. and in their hands, trump has former president trump has repeatedly expressed pride in the fact that he orchestrated the demise of roe versus wade something that the white house is more than happy to remind voters about >> one-third of all women of reproductive age. now live in a state with an abortion ban. when the president's predecessor handicapped three supreme court justices to overturn roe v. wade. it paved the way for the chaos and conf
the state supreme court in arizona upheld an 18, 64. yes, that's correct. 18 64 law. the bands all abortions with only one exception for the life of the mother. there are no exceptions for rape or incest. >> the >> law was written before arizona became a state and before women had the right to vote trump's announcement earlier this week was seemingly designed to help republicans appeal to a broader array of voters. may have backfired just seven months before the election voters in...
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what do you say to those in arizona in your state who believe this is a good idea? >> look, arizonans are going to be able to weigh in on this and enshrine abortion in our state's constitution in november and i am confident that when given the opportunity, they will vote to protect abortion access. >> do you think that we'll get on the ballot for this selection >> well, on their way there, they have surpassed the number of signatures needed and they still have months to continue collecting. and this is a common sense measure that is supported by the vast majority of arizonans in terms of protecting access and certainly it's going to motivate voters in november i'm concerned about people's care between now and november, and i'm going to do everything in my power to ensure that arizonans can get the care that they need. but these extreme politicians are absolutely out of touch with what arizona and zhuan and not only will arizonans have the chance to weigh in on this ballot measure, but they it will also have a chance to elect new legislators who will fight to protect
what do you say to those in arizona in your state who believe this is a good idea? >> look, arizonans are going to be able to weigh in on this and enshrine abortion in our state's constitution in november and i am confident that when given the opportunity, they will vote to protect abortion access. >> do you think that we'll get on the ballot for this selection >> well, on their way there, they have surpassed the number of signatures needed and they still have months to...
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it is a top-down sort of criminal we'll charge there in arizona. the conspiracy charges a little bit different and may help explain why it on trump is not charged in this case. also, the proximity to the 2024 election may also be a contributing factor, but i am told by a source first familiar that the investigation here in arizona is still ongoing and that was in response specifically to a question about why donald trump was not indicted. so we'll have to keep an eye on that horse, epstein, though, isn't interesting character and all this, and this is the first time he has been indicted or charged. in any of these investigations related to the 2020 election, despite the fact that there's been ample evidence that he was intimately involved in the fake electors scheme and he's even admitted it on camera himself. but epstein is a little different than some of these other coconspirators and co-defendants in this case he's remained very close donald trump in the years since trump lost the 2020 election, he was actually in courtroom in manhattan when tru
it is a top-down sort of criminal we'll charge there in arizona. the conspiracy charges a little bit different and may help explain why it on trump is not charged in this case. also, the proximity to the 2024 election may also be a contributing factor, but i am told by a source first familiar that the investigation here in arizona is still ongoing and that was in response specifically to a question about why donald trump was not indicted. so we'll have to keep an eye on that horse, epstein,...
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and arizona, by the way, that was long before arizona was even a state. well, that law is now set to go back into effect. the arizona supreme court ruling today that the 18, for law which sat dormant for decades, can be enforced why? >> well, because roe v. wade had been overturned during analysis handful commentator and national coalitions director for the biden harris, 2024 campaign. ashley allison, and former national republican book and senatorial committee aid. >> liam >> donovan. thank you both so much for being here. i mean, you see the rewind of that clock. i see your eyes right now who cannot hide for expressions on her face. and this moment, where should you have to, what is your reaction fact that this is happening right now? >> i'm not surprised. >> we've known that the attack on bodily autonomy has been at risk for some time. and when the fall of roe happened in 2022 we knew that there would only be a matter of time when i say we people who've worked in reproductive justice, social justice work, we've been warning that this it was only a matt
and arizona, by the way, that was long before arizona was even a state. well, that law is now set to go back into effect. the arizona supreme court ruling today that the 18, for law which sat dormant for decades, can be enforced why? >> well, because roe v. wade had been overturned during analysis handful commentator and national coalitions director for the biden harris, 2024 campaign. ashley allison, and former national republican book and senatorial committee aid. >> liam >>...