learned that perhaps we should see how they run before we call the race. candidates lace up those shoes and have at it. that's all for "inside politics." thanks for sharing your sunday morning with us. "state of the union" starts right now. the u.s. deals a major blow to isis and a new mystery in the deadly amtrak train crash. this is "state of the union." u.s. troops take out a top isis leader and congressman paul ryan sides with president obama, and senator bernie sanders on his run for the presidency and jeb bush's rough week on the campaign trail. good morning from washington. i am brianna keilar and right now u.s. officials are looking at a treasure trove on new information about how isis operates. this after a daring raid by the u.s. that left a top commander

dead. what do we know about this commander known assests. >> he is said to be a key man in terms of the shipment of money, and increasingly involved in military operations. we only have the u.s.'s word for that and we don't have many of the key isis experts we normally talk to knowing much about this man as all. some say he was an associate, and that's not confirmed independently. he was caught in the building with his wife and killed as he resisted. you have to bear in mind an extraordinary high risk move.

fist fights and blood on the knuckles barbara starr, reported yesterday of some of the commanders. it could have gone wrong, and they retrieved laptops but there are many questions being asked about who this man was and how come very few apart from the u.s. had heard from him, and his real name still a secret, and many questions being asked. >> are there any details about the raid that tells us perhaps his poorimportance is the fact that experts don't know a lot about him will tell us? >> the fact they were willing to take the extraordinary high intervention into syrian territory, right into the lion's den where it happened, and a lot of violence inside where they landed and softened up by air

strikes beforehand and no u.s. casualties that we are aware of right now, and i have to say, given how little information was known about him before the raid there is the possibility they hoped somebody else would be there. this was initially a capture mission, u.s. officials say, and isis officials worshipped him. on the balance of it all, you are seeing a high-risk maneuver a rare thing that symbolizes a whole new era. they would go out and take out key middlemen and made it impossible to keep going, and maybe they are after something else we didn't know about. >> thank you. i want to turn to congressman adam shift who is the top democrat on the house

committee, and congressman ryan sean key, also a former commander of navy s.e.a.l. team 6. you heard nick's reporting there, and so many experts on isis are not even particularly -- they don't know sighoff right now. you were briefed, i believe, before this happened before this operation happened. what were you told about the objective and was this the guy they were trying to get? >> well this is the guy we were trying to get, but nonetheless, i think these are very important questions, and that is the only reason to take this kind of risk and it was a very daring operation in the heart of isis-controlled territory, is either you can't launch a military strike from aircraft because of the risk of civilian casualties or you think the intelligence value of what you

are going to gain is sufficient to merit that kind of risk. obviously we had very good intel intelligence intelligence and nonetheless, this was an extraordinary risk if one of our people were captured or if we lost some of our special forces there would be tough questions to answer about whether it was worth it and not withstanding the success of the operation, we will still have to ask the questions, was the intelligence value that we hoped to gain and we are gaining worth this kind of risk? i don't think it signals a wholesale to lots of special operations efforts, and i don't think it's a major escalation but it's a striking and risky success and hats off to those involved.

>> congressman shift saying this doesn't signal perhaps a whole new airera to approach isis. >> first of all, bravo, they are outstanding individuals. this is not the first time we have been in syria and likely not the last time we will be there. it doesn't change the background. we have no plan in syria overall. you have in the eastern part of iraq you have iranian forces and senior millaire tea leadership, and i am not sure how we are ever going to remove them from the territory of iraq. this is going to be an enormous problem for the president, as well as the next president, what to do in iraq and our policy of doing it from afar especially in the territory of iraq by the operations alone is not working and it won't work. the kurds are isolated and the sunnis now seem disinfranchised. >> you served in ramadi if i am

not mistaken? >> falluja and ramadi. >> what does it looks like? depending on the hour you are hering about the iraqi security forces having the upper hand over isis but it's this back and forth going on? >> it's enormously difficult interior to do operations, and they left the headquarters, and i think the headquarters more or less is symbolic and it doesn't lead to a greater plan about what to do as retaking ramadi as a whole. when you have a script where we are just going to do air operations alone within the territory of iraq what happens is the forces that we want the target will move their forces to co-locate with hospitals and schools and embed themselves to be very difficult to conduct air operations against. this happens when you don't have an intelligence background and you don't have embedded.

it's not going to change the tide of what is going on in syria or iraq or the middle east, but it's enormously helpful and i applaud the administration for going after this individual and looking at operations in the future. >> congressman shift, it sounds like you are weighing whether enough was yielded in this operation, or you say that is certainly a question worth asking but some reports coming from officials say there was information gleaned from how isis communicates and how they are funded and how they operate. was this a great yield or was this perhaps too risky? >> it was an important yield. i don't want to understate the significance of the al qaeda leader -- sorry, the isis

leader. this was somebody responsible for their oil and gas operations and there are some estimates that isil derives $1.5 million a day from oil and gas sales, and this is the best funded terror organization in history, and disrupting them is an important objective, and not withstanding his death, we captured his wife and she may have a great intelligence value as well, and there are reasons to believe she was active in isil operations in her own right, and of course the materials, both electronic and otherwise that have been seized could present a great value. i think when things go well you don't often tend to question them as much and i think before we see or embark on a lot more of these kinds of operations we have to weigh the risk of escalation. you can imagine what would have happened if one of our people were captured and we would go to move heaven and earth to get

them back and then we will see what kind of intelligence trove we got, and i agree with my colleague, the extraordinary work of our delta forces needs to be applauded unequivocally, but we have hard questions we need answered here. >> do you see this as boots on the ground? >> there are american boots on the grounds, and i don't see it as the same kind of massive occupation like in afghanistan or iraq in the past as well, and the risk goes up the more you conduct these kinds of operations and the problem with being pulled into the messy civil war in syria is then you take ownership the pottery barn rule you break it you buy it and i don't know if we want to take ownership of this and i understand the frustration of how long it's taking and the setbacks in ramadi which are real and serious, and at the

same time we don't want to get sucked in in a way that we take ownership of this whole crisis. >> what are the risks of that? >> there is always risks, and time will tell the specific type of yields the kind of information warranted. i think you need to look at what we have in place, the commitment of delta force and s.e.a.l. team 6, and they judge whether they can successfully enter given the ae normal tea and the complexity of the operation, so i trust our senior military commanders if they say they can do it i will stand by them they can do it. this is important to look at the intelligence network and if you find something pb you can penetrate and eliminate, and jog more information for future operations i think it's prudent to do. we face a difficult challenge in iraq and syria, and it's not going to change this particular operation, and it's not going to change the background. the background is we need a plan

in syria. are we going to let him stay or go? what is our strategy going forward? what about iran? you have iran in a territory of iraq and to a degree, that has heightened the sensitivity of the sunnis and you look at the sunnis falluja and they feel disinfranchised from the government. >> congressman zinke, thank you so much. fareed zakaria will host "blind-sided." and then we will have an update on the amtrak derailment when we come back. k and the cloud. it's reliable uptime. and multi-layered security. it's how you stay connected to each other

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u.s. transportation investigators interviewed the engineer of the amtrak train that derailed in philadelphia earlier this week, and looking into the possibility that the train may have been hit by an object before it jumped the tracks.

joining me now is national transportation safety board member robert some waul. you have given an assist at this point from the fbi, but the ntsb is really leading this up? >> yes, we have asked the tpheubfbi to come in and identify the expertise on the mark and we have gotten a lot done already and there is a lot more that needs to be done. >> how much credence do you give to the idea -- tell us if you have a sense of what the projectile might be a bullet or rock and how much creed kwrupbs do you give that that may have contributed or caused this accident? >> at this point, we want to chase this lead down. we heard from the assistant conductor, she believes she heard conversation about that and we see a mark on the windshield we want to look at. we will look at everything at this point. >> there was a regional line

train that reported something, and that is what the other conductor said she heard the main conductor talking with the septa conductor that his train also had been hit by a projectile. >> an unknown object made contact with that train shattering the windshield. >> do you know how many trains at this point were hit by projectiles? >> we don't know how many trains were struck. we did listen to the dispatch tapes between dispatch and the trains and indeed the septa engineer did report to dispatch that he had been struck by something, but there was something at all from the amtrak engineer to dispatch to say that his train had been struck. >> so you are not hearing that corroboration coming from the dispatch tapes? >> we are not hearing that and furthermore we interviewed the septa engineer and he did not recall having any conversation between him and the amtrak engineer but nevertheless we

have the mark on the windshield of the amtrak train, so we certainly want to trace that lead down. >> do you know what made that mark? >> tomorrow the fbi will be on scene to assist us to identify what that may have been. >> at this point, you got results from the back box. >> there are two sources of information, the forward-facing video camera and the event reporter, and we obtained data from each of those. >> when you look at the locomotive powering this train, and we are talking about a train increasing tens of miles per hour in the course of the final minute. what would it have entailed for the train to do that? would this have been operator error, or would it have been something that would have taken a lot of purposeful action. it seems looking at other

locomotive engines, indeed this is not a one-step process. >> that's right. the only way an operaable train can accelerate is if the engineer pushed the throttle forward, and that's what the event recorder does record throttle movement and we will look to see if that corresponds to the speed of the train. we talked to the engineer the person operating the train, and he was fully cooperative when we met with him on friday, and we also interviewed two assistant conductors on the train. >> but he doesn't remember anything or this is the report he says he doesn't remember anything after leaving north philadelphia is that right? >> that's right. >> what does that mean for this investigation? where do you go from here, and is there any hope that perhaps he will be able to recall -- he does have a concussion as we understand it. where do you get the facts if he

doesn't recall them? >> we have called for forward-facing cameras, and we want inward-facing cameras and we called for that and we want that to happen. >> robert sumwalt, we will be looking for information as the days go on. next up congressman paul ryan is one of president obama's sharpest critics, and now he is an ally on something that may shape the president's legacy.

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politics certainly does create strange bedfellows sometimes, and the new trade deal president obama is trying to sell to congress is very much an example of that. congressman paul ryan joining me

to talk about the move in congress and chairman ryan we see the shift moving from the senate to the house, you are in favor of this authority for president obama and this trade push but a number of your republicans are not. do you have the votes you need now? >> we will have the votes. we are gaining a lot of steam and momentum. there is a misnomer and it's not granting president obama authority. >> your position is there are a number of parameters president obama will have to add here to as he uses the fast track authority for the partnership, and you have critics like elizabeth warren and labor unions and they say some of the parameters are toothless, and they look at the trade agreements like nafta, and what do you say to them? >> these are old trade

agreements from last century. this is different in that this requires other countries to come up to our standards. what labor is concerned about, our labor standards, nafta, they were not inside the trade agreement and they were side agreements, and we have 150 guidelines required to be in any trade agreement to bring other countries up to american standards and if they don't meet the standards we have ways of getting our disputes resolved so we can hold them to account. the key thing is are these countries that we want to trade with going to open our markets to other products like we are open to theirs. question two, will they come to work america standards instead of china-like rules, that degrade the standards of trade. and there will be 1.2 people in the asian class, and that's

tough teeth in the agreements. >> do you find it ironic you have critics, democrats claiming that president obama is overreaching or this will give him authority to overreach. that's a criticism you have made of him, and yet here you are -- >> i know. >> reporter: a very prominent republican and you are paddling in the same boat with president obama, and you must kau misrate with the criticism of overreach. >> what i would say is every president since franklin d. roosevelt has had this ability, and there is no way to get other countries to give us their best offer in trade agreements if we can re-write the whole thing. >> hillary clinton has not taken a position on the trade fight, even though as secretary of state she did, what do you make of that? >> i think she is just being more political and worried about her political base. i would assume she is in favor

of it given her past comments given her role but my guess is she is worried more about her democratic primary politics. >> i want to ask you about jeb bush because i want your perspective as the former vice presidential candidate for republicans who has really withstood the glare, that really is unlike no other, the political spotlight. >> that's true. >> he really stumbled this week when it came to answers questions about iraq. that's a question that seems so obvious that he would have been asked about, when you were made the candidate you knew you were going to be asked about your budget. are you surprised by his stumbles and also what advice might you give him? >> every candidate will have this problem. there are going to be 1,000 of these moments going forward. i think jeb misheard the question. i don't think he heard the question correctly and therefore his answer as it was. i was here when we voted for

iraq -- >> even if he did miss hear it he had a few times to try and fix it, and it took him some time. in the spotlight, what is your advice, and he has been given media veil bill tease, and there's a risk in sensoring -- >> yeah watch the clinton campaign where they don't do any media avail bill tease. i would err on the side of doing more media and err on being more of who you are, and no offense, but the media tries to get you to gaffe and try to get you to stumble to test your wears, and it's good for candidates to go through the process, and i was so much better at the end of the process than the beginning of the process, and that's what we should do of our presidential

candidates. let it go. people are going to make their mistakes. i think jeb bush made a pretty good clarification on what it was. >> george stephanopoulos he is understand fire abc news anchor very well respected and it turns out he donated over the last several years $75,000 to the clinton foundation. do you have faith that he will ask just as tough questions of democrats, of hillary clinton? he recused himself of mitigating a gop debate? >> you are asking a conservative if a well-known liberal is going to be unbiassed? >> you have had a lot of exposure to him. >> i have known him a long time. >> do you consider him unfair? >> i think he has been far more biassed on the lifted side of things over the past, and the way he conducted the debates

with republicans, i think it revealed a bias. i have no issues with george he is a nice guy, but everybody has political views. >> you went on his show? >> i went on his show plenty of times, and, look i am used to that. the way i would look at the situation is he just basically revealed that he is who he was, and you know, and is that person. most people most conservatives expect this but i think he probably should have used and exercised better judgment because he is supposed to be objective, or at least appear to be objective, and this doesn't help him do that. >> on amtrak, funding has decreased over the last years for amtrak and do you think in light of this recent crash where the ntsb has said that positive train control, this ability using gps to slow a train if it

becomes out of control, if there is an emergency with a conductor, it could have prevented this crash? >> to suggest and insinuate this tragedy could have been avoided or would have been avoided had congress had more spending or had congress had a different budget it's the wrong suggestion to make and should not be in this conversation. >> thank you so much. next is the man challenging hillary clinton from the left a spoiler or a shaper of this race? senator bernie sanders, when we come back. new flonase allergy relief nasal spray. 24 hour relief that outperforms a leading allergy pill. most allergy pills only control one inflammatory substance flonase controls six. seize the day and the night. new flonase. 6 is greater than 1. this changes everything.

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the 2016 democratic nomination may be a lock for hillary clinton, but that is not stopping a senator and self described socialist from

challenging her. senator bernie sanders joining me now, and we are expecting your formal announcement into the race in a little over the race, and you established you don't have the cash and the infrastructure that hillary clinton has, and as you enter the race she is the one you have your sights set on. what is your path to victory? >> my path to victory is to talk about the issues that impact the lives of millions of americans. brianna, the reality is for 40 years the middle class has been disappearing and today people are working long kwrurg hours for lower wages, and at the same time 99% of all new income is going to the top 1% and the top one-tenth of the 1% owns as much as them. >> it's one thing to talk about and one thing to act on. i have been helping to lead the fight for the american middle

class for the last 25 or 30 years. we have introduced legislation that would rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and create up to 13 million new jobs. in the senate i am leading the race to raise minimum wage to $15. we have presented legislation that will stay to the wealthiest people and largest corporations you know what you can't avoid the pay your fair share of taxes. >> your candidacy, it said like obama in 2008 sanders can keep clinton on her game without getting her tossed out of it. you look at that assessment and are you a spoiler or aiming to be a shaper of the debate or do you think you really have a pathway to victory? >> i think there is more discontent with establishment politics with the greed of

corporate america than many people perceive. i think we have -- i will not deny for one moment i will go into the race an underdog, and hillary clinton will have more money than we have and we have been in the race for a couple weeks and raised over $4 million, because people are sending on average, not $1 million, or not $10,000, $43 per contributor to berniesanders.com. >> is this going to be a civil debate with hillary clinton? i ask that because many critics will say, you have to and even if you are talking about issues and you have to go after a leading candidate with a hard edge. are you prepared to do that? >> well brianna, let me turn it around to you, okay? i never have run a negative political ad in my life, and i

have run in many many campaigns and i don't believe in ugly 30-second ads, and i have known hillary clinton for 25 years, and maybe i shouldn't say this but i like hillary clinton. i respect hillary clinton. will the media, among others allow us to have a civil debate on civil issues or is the only way you are going to get media attention by ripping somebody apart? i hope that's not the case. >> trade is a big issue in the senate and now we are looking towards the house where republicans oddly enough may not have the votes along with democrats for the initiative of president obama's, something you oppose and you have come out and said this is a terrible idea. hillary clinton has not. she is on the fence. should she take a position? >> absolutely. you can't be on the fence on this one, you are for it or against it. no fence sitting on this one. here is the reality. when we talk about why the middle class is disappearing and

the gap between the rich and everybody else is growing wider, you have to talk about disastrous trade agreements that have allowed corporate america to shut down in this country to move to low-wage countries. >> i want to ask you about george stephanopoulos the host of "this week" that appeared in the news. you were on his show on may 3rd and he asked you about the concerns about the money raised by the clinton foundation and you said the clinton foundation fund-raising is a fair issue to discuss. he donated $25,000 -- $75,000 in total, $25,000 each year, and he didn't disclose those donations to viewers or superiors at abc, and he didn't tell you either even though you discussed it? >> i think he should have made it public that's what he should have done. between you and me i don't think it's the biggest deal in

the world. >> are you eyeing elizabeth warren's supporters? if you take her at her word she is not getting into the race. are you looking to gain that pocket of support to hillary clinton's left? >> elizabeth warren is a good friend of mine, and i have known her for many years and she is doing a fantastic job in the senate and on many issues elizabeth warren and i come out on the same page. >> overall, i don't hear a lot of forcefulness from you. a lot of people that observe politics say it's a contact sport and you have to have sharp elbows even if it's not going fully negative in character assassination, or maybe somewhere in between -- >> i have led the effort in taking on wall street and i have led the effort in taking on disastrous trade agreements, and i have led the effort in fighting for universal health

care, and i have led the effort in terms of trying to reverse our approach towards climate change and move away from a fossil fuel society, and i have led the effort on many of those issues and taken on every -- >> but are you prepared to sharply point out where your democratic opponents have not in your opinion? >> of course i am prepared to engage. let me throw it back to you. i will tell you something else. the american people want to hear serious discussions about why they are working longer hours for lower wages, and they want to know year after year why the rich gets richer and everybody else gets poorer and are you in the media prepared to allow us in that serious debate or do i have to get media attention on making reckless attacks on hillary clinton? i don't believe in that. >> thank you so much for being with us. we appreciate it.

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what is your strategy? >> i am having a great time. can't look forward anymore than i am. >> e-mails back in 2012? >> you know those issues are, in my view, distractions. >> we are back into the political season and therefore we will be subjected to all kinds of distraction and attacks, and i am ready for that. >> coming up on almost a month since hillary clinton answered reporters questions, while jeb bush ran into some really big problems this past week with his evolving answer about the iraq war. joining me around the taeubl we

have our guests. before we talk about this you have a lot of republican candidates attacking hillary clinton as mia right now. i want to talk about the friday news dump we saw from hillary and bill clinton. they made $30 million in the since the beginning of 2014 and $20 million for speeches and $5 million for hillary clinton's newish book and how is that going to affect everyday americans as their perception as her as a normal person? >> she has been in the public eye for 30 years, and she is clearly a wealthy woman. i know she was attempting to

look like an everyday man, and it tells people yeah she is super rich like we thought she was. >> it feels less of a campaign and almost like a royal visit. when kate and william come over they meet with fans and shake hands, and they don't answer tough questions. you can say you are going to care about average peoples' cares and interests and issues but she is not answering questions. it's almost remote campaigning. i think that has got to stop pretty soon. is it going to mo? you would know? >> i think this next from those on the right, that sort of breathless reaction to oh, my goodness the clintons have money is remarkable to me considering, you know the republican party forever has been defending wealth. shocker. they have money.

they earn the money, and does that really matter at the end of the day? let me make the point. >> doesn't the campaign obviously think it does matter if it's put out late on a friday? >> here's the point. it's out there. it's fully closed. they paid ordinary taxes as opposed to mitt romney when he put a lot of his money in offshore tax accounts. >> and charities. >> so here's my point. i think what people are really looking for is are you looking out for them right? there have been a lot of wealthy people who have served in office who did amazing things. right? john f. kennedy, fdr, lyndon johnson were all wealthy presidents who were known for looking out for the poor looking out for the middle class. >> let's talk about -- >> the issue is not that they made money. the issue is she made money and said we've got to afford houses. the issue is the disconnect and the money. >> not if the message is a message that is backed up with policy backed up with a record

that looks out for people. >> let's talk about her availability. it's about some time since she's taken questions. is this really the lesson is learned from 2008 that she needs to be more bold and open when we see her kind of heading out the back door of her event in nevada? >> that's the front news stuff. on one hand they've hired a bunch of new people communications for them that are very good with the press. at the same time they drop this stuff that they don't think is a shock to anybody. but they drop it on a friday because that's how they always treat the press. while i think there is this idea that the press doesn't need to be treated very nicely we are the ones that tell people what's going on right? we are to a certain degree whether they like it or not, the eyes and ears of the american people and we're there to ask the questions. and by not talking to us they aren't talking to the public. >> here's the problem. if i'm you, if i'm a member of the reporting media, or you, i am indignant that she has been this unavailable. and instead what i'm seeing from a majority of the press is a

total willingness to peddle the fluff story she's putting out while simultaneously she is locking them out of stories. if you looked at "time" magazine this week the story is that she wants harriet tubman on the $20 bill. who cares? what about the substance? >> as a hillary clinton reporter a report on her, i could talk about this all day long but i do want to get in jeb bush and his conversation. very bad week for him when it comes to his position on iraq. but, you know it's so far off from the primary election i wonder, you know mo you're probably looking at this and sort of salivating or maybe not because it brings iraq as it pertains to hillary clinton into the debate. does this ultimately matter this far out? >> if you knew -- knowing now what we didn't know then would you have gone into iraq? simple question not a question he should have had any problem seeing coming. and a question he has been asked in various forms over the past several years. before the megyn kelly interview, he said yes repeatedly.

he would have gone back. and he defended his brother's foreign policy. so the megyn kelly interview, the most astonishing thing for me was the reaction after the fact where he said i misheard it. did you mishear it all the other times? did you mishear it over the in ex-few days? >> but what about his answer though? >> no he just forgot what he was supposed to say, i think. i think he was supposed to change his answer and he sort of forgot that he was supposed to. >> do you think he was so sensitive about there being daylight shown between him and his brother? >> again, i think his brother is weighing on him heavily. they understand that in a clinton versus bush matchup, it will come down to hillary. there have been three bushes and on one clinton. his name is a problem. >> i don't think it's because of who his brother is. i think it's because who he is. jeb bush has been just as lockstep with all the neocon advisers of george bush throughout his entire career.

they're the people who are advising him. they're the people that are shaping his foreign policy. he has been lockstep with them. he was gung ho on this from the get-go. i'm not -- i don't think this has as much to do with his brother than his own world. >> mo s.e. cupp thanks for being part of the panel. up next, 50 years of intimate moments in politics. the story behind some rare photographs. i'm brian vickers, nascar® driver. i'm kevin nealon comedian. and i'm arnold palmer,

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♪ ♪ joining us now is david hume a pulitzer prize-winning photojournalist who has covered 50 years of political campaigns. you take a photo in 2000 on election night of the bush family.

this is an amazing political photo. it almost looks a little bit like a picasso or something to me. >> and they all look like a deer caught in the headlights just the way i shot it. that was about five or ten minutes before gore took back his concession. it was really one of the most tense moments i've ever been in in a political situation. and it's on my top five all-time best political pictures because that was the real drama. i was the only photographer in the room. and it tells a story. >> are there any tricks that you have to be unobtrusive or to be very quiet like you're not there and really to capture as engine win a moment as you can? >> honestly they were paying no attention to me. i know the people -- the longer i'm around people the less they notice me, which is a good thing. and that's how i get those pictures. those are real moments. it's not contrived. >> and you can see more of those

photos and the rest of our interview with david at our website, cnn.com/sotu. thanks for watching "state of the union." i'm brianna keilar in washington. "fareed zakaria gps" starts now. this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria, and this is a special edition coming to you from seattle, washington. we'll begin with the city's most famous son, bill gates, who according to "forbes," is the richest man in the world. in an exclusive interview, i'll talk to him about the strengths and weaknesses of the u.s. economy, education reform innovation and why he recently ranked wastewater. with a smile on his face.